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Re: Partial NVDA shut down after Add-on Updater performs an update

 

Hi,

The notification icon isn’t cleaned up properly, something that can be fixed by right-clicking both icons. I may need to test your scenario (Add-on Updater running while NVDA welcome dialog is open), but my guess is that it has no impact.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Partial NVDA shut down after Add-on Updater performs an update

 

Hi.  When "NVDA Add-on Updater" performs an update and requires NVDA to restart, 2 NVDA icons appear in the system tray when the program restarts.  I think this could have something to do with the fact that "NVDA Add-on Updater" doesn't allow dismissal of the "Welcome" dialog before performing the update, so there is a partial shut down of the program.  Is there a way to fix this?  I've disabled the "Welcome" dialog for now.

Thanks,

Louise


Partial NVDA shut down after Add-on Updater performs an update

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  When "NVDA Add-on Updater" performs an update and requires NVDA to restart, 2 NVDA icons appear in the system tray when the program restarts.  I think this could have something to do with the fact that "NVDA Add-on Updater" doesn't allow dismissal of the "Welcome" dialog before performing the update, so there is a partial shut down of the program.  Is there a way to fix this?  I've disabled the "Welcome" dialog for now.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

 

Hi,
The whole point of selective UIA event registration flag is to limit NVDA to processing events for foreground UIA elements i.e. the app you are using. This works best in Visual Studio, not really Visual Studio Code as it poses a different set of problems. This flag also introduced regressions for emoji panel users, therefore I wrote a workaround in my add-on to deal with this scenario.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Hi Joseph,
I restarted the PC before trying it out. Any other reasons why it might not be working? Thanks again.

Luke

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
You must restart NVDA for that change to take effect. This is because the thread responsible for facilitating communication between NVDA and UIA cannot be stopped unless you do it manually from Python Console, and the best way to achieve this is restarting NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke
Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA
automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Edit: typo in the subject. “UA” should have been “UI.”

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,
I understand that the enable selective registration of UI automation events option was added to address a problem in visual studio where NVDA reads the entire line of code whenever navigating an IntelliSense menu, making the IntelliSense feature almost unusable. I just enabled this new option and launched visual studio 2019 but this same problematic behavior is still occurring. Are there any additional settings adjustments I need to make in NVDA or visual studio to get this working?


Thanks,
Luke














Windows 10 App Essentials 20.10.2 released, a few notices about add-on development for the next few weeks #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 20.10.2 is now available. This version includes localization updates and fixes an issue in emoji panel where NVDA may announce first people emoji if this category is selected. It also comes with a fix for Cortana generation 2 (Version 2004 and later) where NVDA doesn’t announce text responses when using most recent Cortana version. As always, you can check for the add-on update via Add-on Updater or visiting community add-ons website.

 

A few things to note about upcoming Windows 10 App Essentials releases and development snapshots:

  • Version 20.10.2 is the last version to support NVDA 2020.1. Starting in November, NVDA 2020.2 or later will be required (this add-on supports current and immediate past releases, which are 2020.3 and 2020.2, respectively as of time of this post).
  • Starting next week (likely by October 25th snapshot), development snapshots will require NVDA 2020.3. Although the stable version won’t require 2020.3 until next year, I’m doing this early for dev channel subscribers in order to test add-on compatibility with vast internal changes introduced in NVDA 2020.3 that benefits this add-on.
  • Starting in late November (likely around Thanksgiving weekend in United States), development snapshots will not run on November 2019 Update (Version 1909) in preparation for invoking another support policy: Windows 10 App Essentials will be dropping support for Version 1909 in January 2021.
  • Likely in early December, development snapshot users will get an absolute alpha (pilot) build of this add-on i.e. an add-on development snapshot that will require upcoming NVDA 2020.4 which is in development. The content of this alpha build will depend on features the upcoming NVDA version will have around that time.

 

By the way, if you want to contribute to this add-on, feel free to post issues on GitHub and/or send pull requests. Anyone who are using Windows 10 (at least supported releases) are welcome to contribute, although for best experience, I recommend using latest stable release (Version 2004), or if you are helping out with an Insider Preview feature, use either beta or dev channel builds (speaking of dev channel Insider Preview builds, expect a series of builds this weekend and next week that will bring support for updated emoji panel design, which is way different than what we are used to, according to reports I’m hearing).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Joseph,
I restarted the PC before trying it out. Any other reasons why it might not be working? Thanks again.

Luke

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
You must restart NVDA for that change to take effect. This is because the thread responsible for facilitating communication between NVDA and UIA cannot be stopped unless you do it manually from Python Console, and the best way to achieve this is restarting NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Edit: typo in the subject. “UA” should have been “UI.”

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,
I understand that the enable selective registration of UI automation events option was added to address a problem in visual studio where NVDA reads the entire line of code whenever navigating an IntelliSense menu, making the IntelliSense feature almost unusable. I just enabled this new option and launched visual studio 2019 but this same problematic behavior is still occurring. Are there any additional settings adjustments I need to make in NVDA or visual studio to get this working?


Thanks,
Luke














Re: Keyboard shortcuts for activating configuration profiles?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Great – thank you! I thought there must be someway to do it.

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:55 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
You can indeed assign a hotkey to activate a given profile, which can be done via input gestures dialog under "configuration profiles" category.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for activating configuration profiles?

Hey gang. I’ve browsed through the documentation and didn’t find anything on this, but it may be in there and I just missed it. If so, feel free to direct me to the appropriate section. I was wondering if there are keyboard shortcuts that would allow me to quickly switch between different configuration profiles without having to go to the configuration profile dialog box. I’m thinking something like a combination of modifier keys followed by the numbers one through zero which would correspond to profiles one through 10, for example. If this doesn’t exist, would there be brought enough interest in such a feature that I could add a feature request to the GitHub repo? Thanks.









Re: Keyboard shortcuts for activating configuration profiles?

 

Hi,
You can indeed assign a hotkey to activate a given profile, which can be done via input gestures dialog under "configuration profiles" category.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 8:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Keyboard shortcuts for activating configuration profiles?

Hey gang. I’ve browsed through the documentation and didn’t find anything on this, but it may be in there and I just missed it. If so, feel free to direct me to the appropriate section. I was wondering if there are keyboard shortcuts that would allow me to quickly switch between different configuration profiles without having to go to the configuration profile dialog box. I’m thinking something like a combination of modifier keys followed by the numbers one through zero which would correspond to profiles one through 10, for example. If this doesn’t exist, would there be brought enough interest in such a feature that I could add a feature request to the GitHub repo? Thanks.


Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

 

Hi,
You must restart NVDA for that change to take effect. This is because the thread responsible for facilitating communication between NVDA and UIA cannot be stopped unless you do it manually from Python Console, and the best way to achieve this is restarting NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 11:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Edit: typo in the subject. “UA” should have been “UI.”

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,
I understand that the enable selective registration of UI automation events option was added to address a problem in visual studio where NVDA reads the entire line of code whenever navigating an IntelliSense menu, making the IntelliSense feature almost unusable. I just enabled this new option and launched visual studio 2019 but this same problematic behavior is still occurring. Are there any additional settings adjustments I need to make in NVDA or visual studio to get this working?


Thanks,
Luke






Re: NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Edit: typo in the subject. “UA” should have been “UI.”

On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello,
I understand that the enable selective registration of UI automation events option was added to address a problem in visual studio where NVDA reads the entire line of code whenever navigating an IntelliSense menu, making the IntelliSense feature almost unusable. I just enabled this new option and launched visual studio 2019 but this same problematic behavior is still occurring. Are there any additional settings adjustments I need to make in NVDA or visual studio to get this working?


Thanks,
Luke






NVDA 2020.3: enable selective registration for UA automation events not having any impact in visual studio 2019

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hello,
I understand that the enable selective registration of UI automation events option was added to address a problem in visual studio where NVDA reads the entire line of code whenever navigating an IntelliSense menu, making the IntelliSense feature almost unusable. I just enabled this new option and launched visual studio 2019 but this same problematic behavior is still occurring. Are there any additional settings adjustments I need to make in NVDA or visual studio to get this working?


Thanks,
Luke


Re: NVDA With Task Manager

Richard Wells
 

I love the old task manager! It is great to have it back. I did run into
the same problem on the winaero site that I described in another thread.
The download link would not work using NVDA and Chrome latest. I had to
copy the URL from the context menu and the run dialog to get the
installer to download.

On 10/16/2020 12:06 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Imo the new task manager is much better. I used to use Process Explorer instead of the old (so called classic) task manager, but I don't bother with it much anymore (well, it also doesn't work great with nVDA, to be fair...)
I did notice that there were huge and annoying lag for my screen-readers (never tried narrator though) with both task manager and settings apps...I mean, having to wait five or six seconds between a key press and speech output. Thankfully this "went away' several windows updates back, though I'm not really sure when.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: October 16, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager

That's true about slower machines. There is an alternative though, a utility that can get classic old Task Manager in Windows 10 back.

https://winaero.com/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/









Re: NVDA With Task Manager

JM Casey
 

Imo the new task manager is much better. I used to use Process Explorer instead of the old (so called classic) task manager, but I don't bother with it much anymore (well, it also doesn't work great with nVDA, to be fair...)
I did notice that there were huge and annoying lag for my screen-readers (never tried narrator though) with both task manager and settings apps...I mean, having to wait five or six seconds between a key press and speech output. Thankfully this "went away' several windows updates back, though I'm not really sure when.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: October 16, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager

That's true about slower machines. There is an alternative though, a utility that can get classic old Task Manager in Windows 10 back.

https://winaero.com/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/


Re: NVDA With Task Manager

 

Well, I have definitely noticed that it takes a lot longer for Task Manager to "become active" if you use the detailed view for processes than it did in days past, but that's whether I have a screen reader active at the moment or not.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


NVDA 2020.3 Not Activating Download Link On TeamTalk Site

Richard Wells
 

When I open https://bearware.dk/?page_id=353 in Google Chrome latest and
press ENTER on the Windows download link, nothing happens. If I use the
context menu to copy the link:
http://bearware.dk/teamtalk/v5.6.3/TeamTalk_v5.6.3_Setup.exe I can then
open the run dialog and paste in that URL and get the file I want. Is
this a Chrome problem or an NVDA regression?


Re: NVDA With Task Manager

Chris Smart
 

That's true about slower machines. There is an alternative though, a utility that can get classic old Task Manager in Windows 10 back.

https://winaero.com/get-classic-old-task-manager-in-windows-10/


Re: NVDA crashed on a friend's computer

Chris
 

Maybe speech mode has been turned off

Try nvda+S to cycle through the three speech odes

Talk , beeps and off

 

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 16 October 2020 17:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA crashed on a friend's computer

 

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Re: NVDA With Task Manager

Chris
 

Have you tried narrator?

What happens then?

 

 

Or check task manager for what is consuming all your CPU

It may not be necessarily  an nvda issue

 

Usually this sort of thing is down to a low end spec machine if nothing else is apparent

 

 

 

From: Martin O'Sullivan
Sent: 16 October 2020 13:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA With Task Manager

 

Sorry should have mentioned that I have tried 3 synths, and they were all the same. 


I have also tried no speech, and got someone with site to watch as I used the computer and it was still lagging.

 

I turned the speech viewer tool on , and the sited person was able to see that most of the time that the computer would move the cursor, and then NVDA would output speech after a delay.

 

I went into windows settings and gave the following files  high performance on the Graphics performance settings.

 

nvda.exe

nvda_eoaProxy.exe

nvda_noUIAccess.exe

nvda_slave.exe

nvda_uiAccess.exe

 

If NVDA is not running the performance of the computer is not much different.  That is the computer seems to perform ok, however there is a delay from NVDA.

 

And here is another problem, which seems to me to be related.

 

Every so often NVDA will read the previous line and it will only read the line which I am on correctly once  I actually highlight that line.

 

There is no other way of getting it to read the line, it just will not read that text. Like never and I mean  never just will not read it.  It sees  the text in one line as another.  This is very hard to explain,

However, if you had one line which had the word cat, and another line which had the word dog,

Nvda would read the line which said cat, then you would arrow down to the line with the word dog, and nvda would say cat.

This problem  is intermittent. .

 

 

I just need it to go faster.

 


NVDA crashed on a friend's computer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


A friend of mine is having a problem with her computer and NVDA crashing. She just called me and said when she turns on her computer, she gets the windows sounds but no speech. I had her do a couple of things like hitting alt control N to bring NVDA back up. I also had her hit her windows logo key and type NVDA in the search box. Nothing we did brought NVDA back up. What can she try?


Thanks so much for your help in advance.


Rosemarie


Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2020.3 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Wow! The NVDA developers really outdid themselves with this one! I am particularly excited about the new options for visual studio compatibility and what is listed here as significant improvements to visual studio code, given I use both of these applications on a daily basis myself. Thank you guys so much. Looking forward to downloading and trying out the new version!

On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:



NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2020.3 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

NVDA 2020.3 includes several large improvements to stability and performance, particularly in Microsoft Office applications. There are new settings to toggle touchscreen support and graphics reporting. The existence of marked (highlighted) content can be reported in browsers, and there are new German braille tables.


For the full release information and to download, please visit: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2020-3/


Kind regards


Quentin.


--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA With Task Manager

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I experience noticeable slowness in the task manager screen as well. To be clear, I’m referring to the screen reached by pressing control alt delete followed by alt T, where I can access all running processes. It takes a long time for the list to be populated, but once it’s there, it’s good. I don’t have particular issues with NVDA slowness elsewhere though, so I don’t know if our issues are related. Hope you figure out the problem

On Oct 16, 2020, at 5:59 AM, Martin O'Sullivan <osumartin@...> wrote:



Sorry should have mentioned that I have tried 3 synths, and they were all the same. 


I have also tried no speech, and got someone with site to watch as I used the computer and it was still lagging.

 

I turned the speech viewer tool on , and the sited person was able to see that most of the time that the computer would move the cursor, and then NVDA would output speech after a delay.

 

I went into windows settings and gave the following files  high performance on the Graphics performance settings.

 

nvda.exe

nvda_eoaProxy.exe

nvda_noUIAccess.exe

nvda_slave.exe

nvda_uiAccess.exe

 

If NVDA is not running the performance of the computer is not much different.  That is the computer seems to perform ok, however there is a delay from NVDA.

 

And here is another problem, which seems to me to be related.

 

Every so often NVDA will read the previous line and it will only read the line which I am on correctly once  I actually highlight that line.

 

There is no other way of getting it to read the line, it just will not read that text. Like never and I mean  never just will not read it.  It sees  the text in one line as another.  This is very hard to explain,

However, if you had one line which had the word cat, and another line which had the word dog,

Nvda would read the line which said cat, then you would arrow down to the line with the word dog, and nvda would say cat.

This problem  is intermittent. .

 

 

I just need it to go faster.

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