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Re: keyboard question

Gene
 

You can use either insert key.  I haven't checked to see if NVDA settings allow you to stop one or he other from working with NVDA, but by default, either insert can be used. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard question

Actually, I thought the "NVDA Insert" key was specifically the number-pad
insert key, even if the keyboard had another "insert" key as well.

I'm using a keyboard here which has the usual main keyboard layout with all
the letters and numbers etc, and the return key towards the right-hand side,
and also has a number-pad layout completely over to the right of the keyboard,
but in between those two is a set of six keys (three across, two down), plus
four more underneath (three across on one row, with an extra key in the middle
on the next row up).

The six keys in a group have "insert" at the top left, which is what I think
you mean by a "hard insert key", but that one doesn't work as an NVDA key -
only the large "zero" key on the number pad over to the right does that.


Antony.

On Monday 10 October 2016 at 22:47:22, Brian Vogel wrote:

>           On the vast majority of keyboards that have number pads, which on
> desktop machines is most of them and on laptops is a great many of them,
> number pad zero is the insert key if number lock is not on.  I haven't
> used a keyboard with a "hard" insert key in quite some time.

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Re: writing in forums on the web

Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

Trying to write in a forum on this site.


http://www.fortrefuge.com/

On 10/10/2016 4:00 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Not all web forums work the same way (either for blind, or sighted people).

Give us an example of what you're trying to work with, and we might be able to
help you find out whether it works or not, but I'm sorry, there is no single
answer which works for all sites.


Antony.

On Monday 10 October 2016 at 20:55:29, Rayette Rucker wrote:

So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing
with NVDA?


Re: keyboard question

Tyler Spivey
 

If the insert key at the top doesn't work, try this:
Open the keyboard preferences, and check Use extended Insert as an NVDA modifier key.

On 10/10/2016 2:01 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Actually, I thought the "NVDA Insert" key was specifically the number-pad
insert key, even if the keyboard had another "insert" key as well.

I'm using a keyboard here which has the usual main keyboard layout with all
the letters and numbers etc, and the return key towards the right-hand side,
and also has a number-pad layout completely over to the right of the keyboard,
but in between those two is a set of six keys (three across, two down), plus
four more underneath (three across on one row, with an extra key in the middle
on the next row up).

The six keys in a group have "insert" at the top left, which is what I think
you mean by a "hard insert key", but that one doesn't work as an NVDA key -
only the large "zero" key on the number pad over to the right does that.


Antony.

On Monday 10 October 2016 at 22:47:22, Brian Vogel wrote:

On the vast majority of keyboards that have number pads, which on
desktop machines is most of them and on laptops is a great many of them,
number pad zero is the insert key if number lock is not on. I haven't
used a keyboard with a "hard" insert key in quite some time.


Re: keyboard question

Laurie Mehta
 

I do not have any difficulty in the key combinations you mentioned. I use touch typing (hands oriented on the "home row") and I use the caps lock as my NVDA key. These key combination reaches are both easy and comfortable for me. So, if a person cannot, or does not want to, get an external keyboard they could likely learn to manage the key combinations too.

HTH
--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 10/10/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


The caps lock key is on the
left side of the
keyboard.  While this will be convenient for some
commands that use the
NVDA key and another key on the right side of the keyboard,
it is hardly
convenient for commands such as read tible bar, NVDA t or
read dialog, NVDA b or
sor doing things like turning speech on and off, NVDA
s.  If you want to
use NVDA with the intended level of convenience, you either
need to get another
keyboard or use the lap top layout instead or you can get a
USB numpad, which
will have an insert key.  You can then continue to use
your current
keyboard and use the insert on the USB
keyboard.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----


From: Louis Maher

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard
question

Melissa,

Set NVDA to use the caps-lock key.  I
believe this can be done on the NVDA opening
menu.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original
Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io

[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Galbraith
Sent: Monday,
October 10, 2016 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda]
keyboard question

I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the
hotkeys.  The keyboards I am using don't have the
insert key, and I read in
an article last night that the insert key is being phased
out.  Many of the
ewer keyboarders don't feature it.  How in the
world am I supposed to do
some of the commands with out
it.?


Melissa


Re: keyboard question

Antony Stone
 

Actually, I thought the "NVDA Insert" key was specifically the number-pad
insert key, even if the keyboard had another "insert" key as well.

I'm using a keyboard here which has the usual main keyboard layout with all
the letters and numbers etc, and the return key towards the right-hand side,
and also has a number-pad layout completely over to the right of the keyboard,
but in between those two is a set of six keys (three across, two down), plus
four more underneath (three across on one row, with an extra key in the middle
on the next row up).

The six keys in a group have "insert" at the top left, which is what I think
you mean by a "hard insert key", but that one doesn't work as an NVDA key -
only the large "zero" key on the number pad over to the right does that.


Antony.

On Monday 10 October 2016 at 22:47:22, Brian Vogel wrote:

On the vast majority of keyboards that have number pads, which on
desktop machines is most of them and on laptops is a great many of them,
number pad zero is the insert key if number lock is not on. I haven't
used a keyboard with a "hard" insert key in quite some time.
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- Oscar Wilde

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Re: writing in forums on the web

Antony Stone
 

Not all web forums work the same way (either for blind, or sighted people).

Give us an example of what you're trying to work with, and we might be able to
help you find out whether it works or not, but I'm sorry, there is no single
answer which works for all sites.


Antony.

On Monday 10 October 2016 at 20:55:29, Rayette Rucker wrote:

So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing
with NVDA?
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Re: writing in forums on the web

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Well since they seem to be all not created by the same software its all pretty much suck it and see, which is why I don't like forums, its like different web mail brands, all different.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 7:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] writing in forums on the web


So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing with NVDA?


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Re: keyboard question

Pauline Smith
 

Good afternoon. I have NVVA set so that I have the option of using of either insert or caps lock key. Cap slock key was easier on my standard laptop keyboard. But since now I primarily use a USB keyboard set for desktop computer, I can usually insert the as the mentioned for keys like NVVA key plus T for title bar or NVVA S for speech. Just makes it more practical for the same reason I have NVVA set to desktop layout now. I use to have it set for laptop.

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From: Gene
Sent: October 10, 2016 4:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard question

The caps lock key is on the left side of the keyboard.  While this will be convenient for some commands that use the NVDA key and another key on the right side of the keyboard, it is hardly convenient for commands such as read tible bar, NVDA t or read dialog, NVDA b or sor doing things like turning speech on and off, NVDA s.  If you want to use NVDA with the intended level of convenience, you either need to get another keyboard or use the lap top layout instead or you can get a USB numpad, which will have an insert key.  You can then continue to use your current keyboard and use the insert on the USB keyboard.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard question

Melissa,

Set NVDA to use the caps-lock key.  I believe this can be done on the NVDA opening menu.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Galbraith
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] keyboard question

I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys.  The keyboards I am using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night that the insert key is being phased out.  Many of the ewer keyboarders don't feature it.  How in the world am I supposed to do some of the commands with out it.?


Melissa








Re: keyboard question

 

Melissa,

          On the vast majority of keyboards that have number pads, which on desktop machines is most of them and on laptops is a great many of them, number pad zero is the insert key if number lock is not on.  I haven't used a keyboard with a "hard" insert key in quite some time.

           As others have mentioned, if you change your NVDA Preferences, Keyboard Settings to Laptop the NVDA Key then switches to Caps Lock, and certain NVDA commands switch (not many, but some) based upon the presumption of no number pad being present.

           Some people like using Desktop keyboard settings on any machine with a number pad and others like using Laptop setting even on full desktop keyboards because they learned their command sequences on a laptop (or just like Caps Lock as the NVDA Key instead of Num Pad 0/Insert).
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Re: keyboard question

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Yes Dolphin have been using caps lock in this way for some years now.
I do hope we do not lose the insert key as it does have its uses.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard question


Melissa, if you are not currently able to use the insert key as an NVDA
modifier key, do the following:

1. Press windows key plus b to get to the notification area.
2. Arrow around till you hear the word "NVDA."
3. Press the space bar or the enter key to activate the NVDA menu.
4. Arrow down to preferences, then press the right arrow key to open the
preferences menu.
5. Arrow down to Keyboard settings, and press enter to enter the dialog
where you can tab around to explore the various options.
6. Tab till you hear the words "Use CapsLock as an NVDA modifier key."
7. Press the spacebar to check it. If it was already check, the spacebar
will uncheck it. Press it again to make sure it's checked.
8. Tab to the ok button and press the spacebar to approve the changes and
exit the keyboard settings.
Of course there are other settings you can set while you're in there, so
look around before exiting.
I personally have both the insert key and the capps lock set as modifiers.
Like you, I have heard that many newer keyboards are losing the insert key,
so having an alternate modifier is important.
I know that you can also set the keyboard to laptop, but don't know the
commands there, so have no idea if that'll help you at all or not.
Good luck,
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Galbraith" <wvflutist@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] keyboard question


I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys. The keyboards I am
using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night
that the insert key is being phased out. Many of the ewer keyboarders
don't feature it. How in the world am I supposed to do some of the
commands with out it.?


Melissa






Re: keyboard question

Kwork
 

Melissa, if you are not currently able to use the insert key as an NVDA
modifier key, do the following:

1. Press windows key plus b to get to the notification area.
2. Arrow around till you hear the word "NVDA."
3. Press the space bar or the enter key to activate the NVDA menu.
4. Arrow down to preferences, then press the right arrow key to open the
preferences menu.
5. Arrow down to Keyboard settings, and press enter to enter the dialog
where you can tab around to explore the various options.
6. Tab till you hear the words "Use CapsLock as an NVDA modifier key."
7. Press the spacebar to check it. If it was already check, the spacebar
will uncheck it. Press it again to make sure it's checked.
8. Tab to the ok button and press the spacebar to approve the changes and
exit the keyboard settings.
Of course there are other settings you can set while you're in there, so
look around before exiting.
I personally have both the insert key and the capps lock set as modifiers.
Like you, I have heard that many newer keyboards are losing the insert key,
so having an alternate modifier is important.
I know that you can also set the keyboard to laptop, but don't know the
commands there, so have no idea if that'll help you at all or not.
Good luck,
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Galbraith" <wvflutist@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 12:41 PM
Subject: [nvda] keyboard question


I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys. The keyboards I am
using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night
that the insert key is being phased out. Many of the ewer keyboarders
don't feature it. How in the world am I supposed to do some of the
commands with out it.?


Melissa


Re: keyboard question

Gene
 

The caps lock key is on the left side of the keyboard.  While this will be convenient for some commands that use the NVDA key and another key on the right side of the keyboard, it is hardly convenient for commands such as read tible bar, NVDA t or read dialog, NVDA b or sor doing things like turning speech on and off, NVDA s.  If you want to use NVDA with the intended level of convenience, you either need to get another keyboard or use the lap top layout instead or you can get a USB numpad, which will have an insert key.  You can then continue to use your current keyboard and use the insert on the USB keyboard.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keyboard question

Melissa,

Set NVDA to use the caps-lock key.  I believe this can be done on the NVDA opening menu.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Galbraith
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] keyboard question

I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys.  The keyboards I am using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night that the insert key is being phased out.  Many of the ewer keyboarders don't feature it.  How in the world am I supposed to do some of the commands with out it.?


Melissa








Re: keyboard question

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Melissa,

Set NVDA to use the caps-lock key. I believe this can be done on the NVDA opening menu.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Melissa Galbraith
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 2:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] keyboard question

I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys. The keyboards I am using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night that the insert key is being phased out. Many of the ewer keyboarders don't feature it. How in the world am I supposed to do some of the commands with out it.?


Melissa


Re: keyboard question

Tyler Spivey
 

Go to the NVDA menu, preferences, Keyboard settings.
Select Use CapsLock as an NVDA modifier key.

On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Melissa Galbraith wrote:
I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys. The keyboards I am
using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night
that the insert key is being phased out. Many of the ewer keyboarders
don't feature it. How in the world am I supposed to do some of the
commands with out it.?


Melissa



keyboard question

Melissa G <wvflutist@...>
 

I'm using NVDA and am not sure of all the hotkeys. The keyboards I am using don't have the insert key, and I read in an article last night that the insert key is being phased out. Many of the ewer keyboarders don't feature it. How in the world am I supposed to do some of the commands with out it.?


Melissa


Re: Disturbing NVDA Remote Rumor: any ruth or verification?

jeremy <icu8it2@...>
 

I don't really have any opinions on weather or not Tyler S had malicious intent in the development of the remote AddOn, but I do think it'd be just a little weird for him to do such a thing, most especially for the rest of his contributions he's made towards other accessible projects.

I'd also point out that Tyler S wasn't the only one who assisted in the development of the Addon, something I didn't see mentioned in the fb post. As I recall, the development was carried out by two people, so if it does turn out that something weird is going on, I'd be looking at everyone, not just one dude who's done a hell of a lot for the accessible community.

Buddy Brannan wrote:

On a shared copy of the post, he posted a comment to the effect that the exploit was with NVDA itself, by sending a large amount of text through it all at once. I don't even know if he's on this list and can elaborate himself.

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On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:

Hi,
Okay... I'd like to know where Tyler L is getting this information. Based on
that post, it appears someone may have told him what's up. I'm keeping an
eye on Twitter to find out what's up as well.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Disturbing NVDA Remote Rumor: any ruth or verification?

This should work:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10210482594480519&id=1214464156&
refid=17&ref=m_notif&notif_t=feed_comment_reply&_ft_=top_level_post_id.10210
482594480519%3Atl_objid.10210482594480519%3Athid.1214464156%3A30606112949941
4%3A2%3A0%3A1477983599%3A-8014300897192678334&__tn__=%2As


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On Oct 10, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:

Hi everyone,
I was alerted to this by Derek Riemer, and am keeping an eye on this
development. According to what I'm seeing, this is quite disturbing if the
claims are to be believed. What we need at this point is evidence that
proves what the below Facebook message says (one of the evidence needed is
the URL to that post).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Buddy
Brannan
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Disturbing NVDA Remote Rumor: any ruth or verification?

Just saw this on Facebook:

All of my blind NVDA friends: If you have used, currently use or plan on
using NVDA remote, I recommend you stop now and remove it. There is at
least
one exploit where someone can crash a system, whether or not it is enabled
to be controlled. This exploit is being used by Tyler Spivy, one of the
authors of the project. Many more may exist and through an inspection of
the
code probably do. Please circulate this to as many people as possible.
Thanks.


Disturbing if true. Given some of Tyler's past exploits, well, one would
hope he'd grown up since those. If true, this certainly won't help open
source in general, NVDA in particular, or future crowdfunding for AT.

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NVDA Remote crash incident: trust and ethics are important just as technology is, never give out passwords publicly, developer responsibilities

 

Dear NVDA community:

 

I give you permission to pass out the following to other community members:

 

Dear users of NVDA Remote Support add-on:

 

On the morning of October 10, 2016, a group of users connected via nvdaremote.com experienced a general client crash, with the root of the problem being a series of events that led to NVDA crashing with long strings passed to a particular synthesizer. The event unfolded as follows:

 

In the evening of October 9, 2016, someone posted a message to a public forum which included giving out his remote client password, with an “invitation” for anyone to connect to his computer. Within moments, several people connected to the poster’s computer, but then the host disconnected. A few moments later, the server admin came in using the published password, changed some configurations and crashed NVDA by letting clients read long strings and making their keyboards unusable. An audio recording was published that provides some live evidence, with people posting on social media advising others to stop using this, labeling this as “unsecure”.

 

In light of this incident, as a community add-ons representative, I’d like to request that add-on users follow these guidelines:

 

1.      Never give out NVDA remote session password publicly.

2.      The Remote host must provide the password and this should be done privately.

3.      The Remote client must tell host what he or she is going to do so the host can be aware of what’s going on.

4.      The host should try to inform clients that he or she is disconnecting so clients can disconnect properly.

 

Also, as an add-on developer, I’d like to propose the following action plan in the future:

 

1.      Please examine evidence you can find before coming to the conclusion that things are insecure.

2.      Developers should provide responses as soon as possible when evidence becomes available.

 

The add-on can be found in our NVDA Community Add-ons website. Although there is some things about this add-on that have contributed to this incident, the ultimate root cause has to do with irresponsible user actions.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: outlook.com

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Marisane


I have not been up there for a while to have a look on how to navigate it with NVDA. I did notice they changed the layout and found it hard to navigate it. It is like a page at a time.


Any how I ended up putting mozilla thunder bird onto the pc. I then looked up the settings which if i remember right it got automatically and now download the emails to mozilla thunder bird now.


If you do want to put on mozilla thunder bird check out the following page at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-and-hotmail

I am using the same setup now with mozilla thunder bird.


I might even sus it out with nvda on the outlook.com website to see what it is like.


I know when I used one browser it was better than the other.


Gene nz



On 11/10/2016 7:51 AM, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:

Hi guys

 

I need your help here.

 

I am using nvda as my screen reader.

 

I am stuck with outlook.com.

 

It seems to have been terrifically changed and become inaccessible with nvda.

 

I just cannot navigate the interface and am always stuck.

 

Would you please help?

 

What is access bridge?

 

How does it work?

 

Where is it found?

 

Am I right to say that outlook.com has gone too java?

 

Will access bridge help in this regard?

 

Your helpis appreciate in advance.

 

With respect

Marisane


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writing in forums on the web

Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing with NVDA?


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outlook.com

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi guys

 

I need your help here.

 

I am using nvda as my screen reader.

 

I am stuck with outlook.com.

 

It seems to have been terrifically changed and become inaccessible with nvda.

 

I just cannot navigate the interface and am always stuck.

 

Would you please help?

 

What is access bridge?

 

How does it work?

 

Where is it found?

 

Am I right to say that outlook.com has gone too java?

 

Will access bridge help in this regard?

 

Your helpis appreciate in advance.

 

With respect

Marisane