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Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I was able to use Internet Explorer to read the feed correctly, as well as the other ones that use xml.  I didn't know if Internet Explorer would still work after its end-of-life date.  I'll try removing the trailing text like "rss" or "feed" as suggested in an earlier message in this thread.  A couple of the websites I use don't date the podcast episodes on the regular page, so I like the feeds in those cases.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA and Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook
 

Shaun,
You said you have the latest voices, but do you have the latest version of Vocalizer expressive for CodeFactory. The latest version is 1.9.0.


Re: NVDA and Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook
 

The latest voices available.


Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

 

Well, you could simply ask to have it uninstalled from your laptop and not use it.

If this is something that is needed, maybe have a time you can just get the admins to do something to update whatever it is.

Not sure about this software per say, but maybe you can exclude things from it, like updating your reader, etc.

Generally you don't need or should install anything not work related on a company laptop.

On 13/10/2020 3:15 am, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

Has anyone encountered a program called avecto now beyond trust?


https://www.beyondtrust.com/brand/avecto

My employer uses it for privilege management on our laptops. Whenever I need
to install a program or do anything involving administrative privileges, I
am prompted by avecto. NVDA does not speak anything in that dialogue. I have
memorized keystrokes to bypass the dialogue. Having said that, I do wish
there were a solution to this.

Pranav





Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Gene
 

I tried your suggestion,  removing the rss at the end of the address and using it.  the proper browser page came up. 


While I don't know this, I wonder if Internet Explorer works better on the RSS version of the page either because it doesn't follow current web standards regarding such content or because it somehow is using its built-in RSS reading function in decoding the page.  Someone else with the technical knowledge to discuss that question may be able to discuss whether either guess is right. 


Gene

On 10/12/2020 8:40 PM, Scott Salzman wrote:

Hi Louise,

 

I believe that the example URL you included in your email, https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss, is actually a URL that points to the RSS feed, and not to a web browser-friendly version of the information contained in that feed.  I think that if you just remove the trailing "rss" from this URL, you'll find a web page that is intended to be read with a web browser (that URL would be https://fictional.libsyn.com), and will work as I believe you intend for it to work.  If this suggestion does what you wanted, then when you encounter a web page that seems like you've run into a similar issue, if those pages' URLs have either a trailing "rss" or a trailing "feed", try removing them from the URL, and then reading the page that the resulting URL points at.

 

Since this might help with future troubleshooting, I'll mention that, on the shorter version of the above URL example, I found a link called "Subscribe to RSS feed".  Links with that text typically point at RSS feeds, so they're not likely to be readable as web pages.

 

Oh, and if https://fictional.libsyn.com is a podcast site you visit, then you probably already know this, but each podcast title is a level 2 heading, and the only way I was able to get the podcasts to play, using NVDA, was to use Shift+Enter on the play buttons.

 

So the issue you described with NVDA and certain web browsers, may be due to how certain browsers behave when they try to recognize and process an RSS feed.

 

Hope this was helpful and neither too technical nor not technical enough.

 

Scott

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 1:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

 

Hi.  I didn't want to send a long list of urls to the list.  I've placed an example below my name.  I should note that Google Chrome creates the same xml error, although it doesn't have Internet Explorer mode.

Thanks,

Louise

Fictional: https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss


Re: NVDA and Vocalizer expressive

 

I have the latest codefactory vocaliser express voices but to be honest thats not been updated with the cerence ones.

The biggest issue I have with vocaliser express instead of the old realspeak voices on the jaws cd I got from someone else is pronounciation can sometimes drop back to the occasional us pronounced character or word.

Things are not always as smooth but they are 32 and 64 bit so I don't complain.

And since acapella costs a bundle for the usb keys and since the only distributor in english is english and the cost is really high its not like I will ever buy those.

On 13/10/2020 12:41 pm, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Has Vocalizer for NVDA been updated with the latest voices yet?
Hey, also which voices in Vocalizer are the most expressive?




Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Gene
 

Sometimes, one browser, even Internet Explorer, works better on a certain page. It may be the best solution to use Internet Explorer on that page, if it is a [page that should be safe. I don't know if or what kinds of ads are shown on the page, but that is where I would expect the danger to be, so you would be, I think, pretty safe on a page like that either if it has no ads or if you use an ad blocker.

In spite of the errors or odd presentation, is there anything you can't do on the page with the other browsers? I didn't look carefully but it looked to me as though you might be able to do what you want, just less conveniently.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Hi. I didn't know exactly how to describe the phenomenon apart from an error. Internet Explorer displays the page correctly, along with the other pages that do this. I'm aware that Internet Explorer is nearing its end-of-life date, so I want to find a workable alternative. While we're on the topic of feeds not reading correctly, what is a feed code error? The url for the Victor Reader Stream feed displays a feed code error in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA and Vocalizer expressive

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

Are you meaning the last Nuance Vocalizer version, or the latest Cerence TTS?

Chris Shook wrote:

Hi,
Has Vocalizer for NVDA been updated with the latest voices yet?
Hey, also which voices in Vocalizer are the most expressive?



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Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Tyler Spivey
 

Have you tried just starting Narrator?

On 10/12/2020 6:47 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Carlos,
Many thanks. I am not sure if I will be allowed to run PsExec but this is something worth trying so I'll test and keep everyone posted.
Pranav


Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Carlos,

Many thanks. I am not sure if I will be allowed to run PsExec but this is something worth trying so I'll test and keep everyone posted.

Pranav


Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Jonathan,

NVDA is fully installed on my work laptop.

Pranav


Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Scott Salzman
 

Hi Louise,

 

I believe that the example URL you included in your email, https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss, is actually a URL that points to the RSS feed, and not to a web browser-friendly version of the information contained in that feed.  I think that if you just remove the trailing "rss" from this URL, you'll find a web page that is intended to be read with a web browser (that URL would be https://fictional.libsyn.com), and will work as I believe you intend for it to work.  If this suggestion does what you wanted, then when you encounter a web page that seems like you've run into a similar issue, if those pages' URLs have either a trailing "rss" or a trailing "feed", try removing them from the URL, and then reading the page that the resulting URL points at.

 

Since this might help with future troubleshooting, I'll mention that, on the shorter version of the above URL example, I found a link called "Subscribe to RSS feed".  Links with that text typically point at RSS feeds, so they're not likely to be readable as web pages.

 

Oh, and if https://fictional.libsyn.com is a podcast site you visit, then you probably already know this, but each podcast title is a level 2 heading, and the only way I was able to get the podcasts to play, using NVDA, was to use Shift+Enter on the play buttons.

 

So the issue you described with NVDA and certain web browsers, may be due to how certain browsers behave when they try to recognize and process an RSS feed.

 

Hope this was helpful and neither too technical nor not technical enough.

 

Scott

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 1:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

 

Hi.  I didn't want to send a long list of urls to the list.  I've placed an example below my name.  I should note that Google Chrome creates the same xml error, although it doesn't have Internet Explorer mode.

Thanks,

Louise

Fictional: https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss


Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Arlene
 

Hi, I don’t use IE, I use Chrome I don’t use edge often. I mostly use Chrome as default browser.  I can partly confirm your problem.  I’ll play around with your link some more later tonight.

 

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From: Louise Pfau
Sent: October 12, 2020 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

 

Hi.  I didn't know exactly how to describe the phenomenon apart from an error.  Internet Explorer displays the page correctly, along with the other pages that do this.  I'm aware that Internet Explorer is nearing its end-of-life date, so I want to find a workable alternative.  While we're on the topic of feeds not reading correctly, what is a feed code error?  The url for the Victor Reader Stream feed displays a feed code error in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Thanks,

Louise

 


NVDA and Vocalizer expressive

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Has Vocalizer for NVDA been updated with the latest voices yet?
Hey, also which voices in Vocalizer are the most expressive?


Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I didn't know exactly how to describe the phenomenon apart from an error.  Internet Explorer displays the page correctly, along with the other pages that do this.  I'm aware that Internet Explorer is nearing its end-of-life date, so I want to find a workable alternative.  While we're on the topic of feeds not reading correctly, what is a feed code error?  The url for the Victor Reader Stream feed displays a feed code error in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't see an error with Chrome. I don't use Edge. What I do see with chrome is something that looks as though a lot of source code is displayed.

Firefox renders the page better but it gives a message at the top
This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below.

We'll see what people say with the technical knowledge to evaluate the situation but I doubt the page will display properly in general. I don't know if there is any problem other than what may exist on the page.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Hi. I didn't want to send a long list of urls to the list. I've placed an example below my name. I should note that Google Chrome creates the same xml error, although it doesn't have Internet Explorer mode.

Thanks,

Louise


Fictional: https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss


Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Carlos Medrano
 

If the program spawns a window in the local system account, it's not enough to run as administrator in some cases. You literally need to start nvda with the system account as the owner of the process.

On 10/12/2020 12:35 PM, Jonathan COHN via groups.io wrote:
Are you using a portable copy of NVDA? I would expect this program needs to run as elevated privileges and that therefore the only way NVDA could access its controls is the same way NVDA accesses UAC and other applications with elevated privileges. This requires a version of NVDA that is fully installed on the computer.
HTH!
Jonathan


On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Has anyone encountered a program called avecto now beyond trust?


https://www.beyondtrust.com/brand/avecto

My employer uses it for privilege management on our laptops. Whenever I need
to install a program or do anything involving administrative privileges, I
am prompted by avecto. NVDA does not speak anything in that dialogue. I have
memorized keystrokes to bypass the dialogue. Having said that, I do wish
there were a solution to this.

Pranav








Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Carlos Medrano
 

Pranav,
I'm not entirely sure what may be happening in your case, but I'm almost certain that the program is spawning a window as the local system account in Windows. Many programs of this nature tend to do that because they run deeply ingrained with the operating system. The only way I know to work around this is to spawn NVDA as the local system account (don't do this permanently), and then interact with the prompt.
You can do this by using PSExec found at (https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/psexec). Keep in mind that you need admin access to the machine for this to work.
To use the utility, Unzip it somewhere on your desktop and open a command prompt as administrator. Change directory to the extracted utility. Then spawn a command prompt as the local system account by running something like PSExec.exe -sid cmd. In the new command prompt window, find your NVDA directory and run nvda.exe. NVDA will restart with local system account privileges.
Hope this helps.
-Carlos

On 10/12/2020 9:15 AM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi all,

Has anyone encountered a program called avecto now beyond trust?


https://www.beyondtrust.com/brand/avecto

My employer uses it for privilege management on our laptops. Whenever I need
to install a program or do anything involving administrative privileges, I
am prompted by avecto. NVDA does not speak anything in that dialogue. I have
memorized keystrokes to bypass the dialogue. Having said that, I do wish
there were a solution to this.

Pranav





Re: Microsoft Edge Internet Explorer mode conflict with NVDA

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I didn't want to send a long list of urls to the list.  I've placed an example below my name.  I should note that Google Chrome creates the same xml error, although it doesn't have Internet Explorer mode.

Thanks,

Louise

Fictional: https://fictional.libsyn.com/rss


Re: Beyond trust aka avecto: NVDA not reading prompts

Jonathan COHN
 

Are you using a portable copy of NVDA? I would expect this program needs to run as elevated privileges and that therefore the only way NVDA could access its controls is the same way NVDA accesses UAC and other applications with elevated privileges. This requires a version of NVDA that is fully installed on the computer.
HTH!
Jonathan

On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Has anyone encountered a program called avecto now beyond trust?


https://www.beyondtrust.com/brand/avecto

My employer uses it for privilege management on our laptops. Whenever I need
to install a program or do anything involving administrative privileges, I
am prompted by avecto. NVDA does not speak anything in that dialogue. I have
memorized keystrokes to bypass the dialogue. Having said that, I do wish
there were a solution to this.

Pranav





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