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Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Brian,

          I just did a "Check for Updates" and got an update for Windows Defender definitions.  I was focused on the update History link so I would only have known that an update was found because the "install ascending beeps began" but I was able to hit SHIFT+TAB to go back to the updates list and it read off the update that had been downloaded and was being applied.  Since this was prefaced by "List" I'd have to believe I could navigate through additional list items if such had existed.

          Like I said, most updates occur in the background if they're "trivial" and I don't even know that they've occurred unless I check Update History.  Since you can't reject them it's more than a bit of a moot point if you know about them either immediately before or immediately after they've been applied.  They will be applied so I simply don't concern myself with them until or unless a problem occurs that requires fixing.  If you want to know what's been applied that you didn't manually initiate and watch then use the Updates History link to get to the list.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Hi,

As the updates are being downloaded, you can check what updates will be installed. This lives in a list that shows up when you TAB from Windows Update subcategory item.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    My point was that when you do check for updates and you do have updates you don't know what they are but in windows 7 you always did.  why can't this be done in windows 10? We should be able to what updates just the sighted can and you should not to wait until they are installed and check your pdate history.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 2:43 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:42 am, Jessica D wrote:
Is that what I should try?

 Not knowing your specific problem, nor what you may already have done or not done, I can't advise you specifically.

That being said, when I get weirdnesses with Windows 10 and/or previously functioning applications after an update here are the steps I follow:

  1. The step by step instructions in:  Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
  2. If that doesn't work, and I don't want to necessarily reset yet, I will try using System Restore to roll back to a restore point before the update was applied and allow the update to reapply itself.  There can be inexplicable errors in a given update installation that do not recur if it's allowed to run again.
  3. If step number two is either skipped or gives an unsatisfactory result, then one absolutely must take a full backup of one's user data files and, preferably, a system image backup before continuing.  You want this for insurance.
  4. If you don't have System Restore on, or the roll back and reapplication of the "offending update" gives an unsatisfactory result, then I first try Reset with "keep your files" option.
  5. If the "Keep my files" Reset refuses to complete, and sometimes it will, then try Reset with a full wipe, knowing you'll have to restore your user data and probably reinstall certain programs, too.
  6. If neither Reset option will run then go to the Windows 10 Download Page, download the Media Creation Tool, run the Media creation tool to either create a bootable USB drive or get the Windows ISO file for burning to optical media to make a bootable DVD, then use that bootable media to reinstall Windows 10 or to try a reset using it as the mechanism.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    My point was that when you do check for updates and you do have updates you don't know what they are but in windows 7 you always did.  why can't this be done in windows 10? We should be able to what updates just the sighted can and you should not to wait until they are installed and check your pdate history.

Brian Sackrider


On 4/12/2017 2:43 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
Is that what I should try?

What should I do?

Thanks,
Jessica

On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

If DISM doesn't work I don't have any other ideas that a Reset with "keep my files" as the first option and moving on from there.

Since this is a virtual Windows environment running on a Mac the software maker for the virtual environment may have some tricks that I know nothing about.  I've worked with one and only one "Win10 on Mac" client.
--
Brian


     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill





Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

If DISM doesn't work I don't have any other ideas that a Reset with "keep my files" as the first option and moving on from there.

Since this is a virtual Windows environment running on a Mac the software maker for the virtual environment may have some tricks that I know nothing about.  I've worked with one and only one "Win10 on Mac" client.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Tried sfc with no success. However, will try dism. Additionally, this was an ssd on a mac, so system restore was disabled. Therefore, this is not an option.


On 4/12/2017 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Enes,

          Have you tried SFC followed by DISM (possibly followed again by SFC)?   I have found that DISM often fixes bits that SFC does not.

If you can't get this fixed via SFC & DISM then I'd consider using System Restore to roll back to a restore point prior to the latest cumulative update install.  There are times when some really inexplicable (and seemingly undetectable) error occurs during an update and allowing it to reapply itself after a restore to before it was first applied allows it to get itself installed correctly on the second shot.

If you want to "go extreme" you could use system restore to roll back to before that last cumulative update then use the Windows 10 Update Assistant to force an update to Creators Update.  This, however, would be my last resort.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Why can't windows app esencials announce what updates you have/? in windows 7 you always knew what updates you had but in windows 10 you don't. It would be nice to know what updates you have if it's a windows defender update or a major build or some cumulitive update.

Brian Sackrider


Issues with NVDA and 1703, inside VM ware fusion

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
 
I’m using vM ware fusion, as a free trial, and I can’t press “insert+ N” for the NVDA menu.
Ive made other key combinations, but none of them work.
Also, on occasion, other keys, like “alt tab” won’t work.
 
How can I fix this?
 
I’ve updated my installation media, just in case.
 
Is telling the computer to boot from installation media accessible?
 
Thanks,
Jessica


Re: windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I was about to say.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Shaun, are you referring to 2017.1? That's why have now moved over to
next snapshot - 2017.2 hasn't been released yet?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-12 12:04, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> well 2017.2 and the latest win10 apps worked.
>
> I didn't lose much at all, in fact I lost nothing.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/04/2017 9:47 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> One thing was glad of/quite impressed by was that on first bootup
>> after the upgrade/install process, besides being able to launch
>> narrator before anything else was really happening - it was in last
>> stages of setup wizard - one of the first active app that came up was
>> classicshell.net, telling me it had to reconfigure itself, and, it
>> then immediately told me it had been successful.
>>
>>
>> So, seems like of all the software had installed here, windows 10
>> upgrade only really seemed to remove the pseudo-form of outlook
>> express that use for a separate e-mail account - nothing major, and,
>> had pretty much expected it to happen.
>>
>>
>> Also think that, while not sure it was really an issue, should maybe
>> have switched over to the NVDA next snapshot before upgrading, but
>> anyway.
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 2017-04-12 11:23, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I updated my laptop to Windows 10 Creator's Update, and things seem
>>> to work fine. Be aware, if you attempt to update from version 1607
>>> via a disk image and select to only keep files, you may encounter an
>>> issue where some settings, like some start menu settings, won't save
>>> properly. I contacted Microsoft support and they remoted into my
>>> laptop, created a new test account, and the issue was not present in
>>> the test account. So today in order to fix the issue I decided to
>>> reset my computer, rather than using the test account that the
>>> Microsoft support personnel created.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


You wrote:
 
To the rest as you can see I am being extremely sarcastic.
 
Yee'ee'ee'eeh. I was kind a hopin' so...
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Why bother with the reset.

After the update I went through the settings setting things as they
should be.

Why bother updating if you will reset, why not just get a fresh image
and reformat and fix everything that way if you are set on a reinstall.

A good reformat always fixes everything and makes your system work as it
should.

In fact its the first thing you should do to fix any issue reformat and
the problem will go away.


To the rest as you can see I am being extremely sarcastic.

A reset is almost a reformat and there is no need for resetting with
settings and stuff.




On 12/04/2017 9:23 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I updated my laptop to Windows 10 Creator's Update, and things seem to work fine. Be aware, if you attempt to update from version 1607 via a disk image and select to only keep files, you may encounter an issue where some settings, like some start menu settings, won't save properly. I contacted Microsoft support and they remoted into my laptop, created a  new test account, and the issue was not present in the test account. So today in order to fix the issue I decided to reset my computer, rather than using the test account that the Microsoft support personnel created.
>




Re: how do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda

Dejan Ristic
 

You are supposed to go to the about menu, anyway. Then, press NVDA plus space to switch to the browse mode. You will be able to monitor the update progress by doing so. When the update has finished, you will be asked to restart the client. Have in mind that you must be in the browse mode to monitor the changes. If you Thunderbird is up-to-date, you will know it by arrowing up and down while in the browse mode.


I update the very client in that way. The same goes for Firefox, too.

On 4/12/2017 7:36 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
That's where I updated from.

On 4/12/2017 10:34 AM, brian wrote:
How do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda? it'snot in about thunderbird.

Brian Sackrider






Re: how do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda

 

It is an automatic part of the "About Thunderbird" dialog.   If there is an update available it should be announced and the actual release number read.  If there is not one the about dialog shows, "Thunderbird is up to date," in stippled text, which is why that's not read.  If you are hearing, "You are on the release update channel," without having heard that there's an update available before that then there is no current update available.

Unfortunately I just got my latest update to 52.0 this morning and didn't have NVDA on at the time, but I do know the dialog asks something like, "Do you want to restart to apply the update?" followed by a "Restart Thunderbird" or "Restart Now" button to cause the awaiting update to be applied.
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Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: how do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda

Brice Mijares
 

That's where I updated from.

On 4/12/2017 10:34 AM, brian wrote:
How do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda? it'snot in about thunderbird.
Brian Sackrider


how do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

How do I check for updates in thunderbird with nvda? it'snot in about thunderbird.

Brian Sackrider


Re: April 17th: Joseph Lee to present "NVDA: Possibilities and Opportunities in 2017" at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Hello can you tell me where to find the archives at?

thanks

Hank



On 4/12/2017 6:47 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Yes, it’ll be archived.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Webmaster Deweer
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 1:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] April 17th: Joseph Lee to present "NVDA: Possibilities and Opportunities in 2017" at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Dear Joseph,

 

I really want to participate, but the time is a problem. I live in Belgium, so that’s the UTC+02:00 time zone. I cannot participate at 02:00 AM…

Is someone going to make a recording of the presentation, or not?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Warm regards,

Jordy Deweer.

 

Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens Joseph Lee
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 april 2017 6:30
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: [nvda] April 17th: Joseph Lee to present "NVDA: Possibilities and Opportunities in 2017" at Accessible World Tek Talk

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

On April 17, 2017, I (Joseph Lee) will be giving a talk at Accessible World Tek Talk about NVDA community updates in 2017, focusing on recent developments, new features and some things under development.

 

Press release:

If there is one phrase to describe NonVisual Desktop Access, it is “possibilities and opportunities”. NVDA, the free, open-source, community-driven screen reader continues to open opportunities and possibilities, including ability to read Kindle books, improved support for Microsoft Office and Edge, and progress made in supporting various Windows 10 features. Combined with the new NVDA Expert certification program, continued partnerships with Mozilla, Microsoft and other companies, and enthusiasm of users continues to drive NVDA’s progress in 2017. Joseph Lee, a contributor to NVDA screen reader, Windows Insider and a certified NVDA Expert, will tell you what NVDA community has been up to, including some of the new features, certification program, upcoming NVDACon, and demonstrate latest developments in supporting Edge and Windows 10 Creators Update.

 

Topics to be covered:

 

  • What’s new in NVDA since 2016.3 with demonstrations of select features.
  • Improved support for Microsoft Word, including sections and text columns.
  • Improved support for Microsoft Excel, including cell border announcement and sheet location.
  • Progress in Windows 10 and Edge support, including first letter navigation in Edge, reading PDF documents, story behind audio ducking in Creators Update.
  • Other features, including reading Kindle books, disabling add-ons, GUI improvements, line indentation tone and others.
  • Community updates, including certification program, NVDACon 2017, DictationBridge updates.

 

Presentation details:

 

  • Date: April 17, 2017.
  • Time: 5 PM Pacific (8 PM Eastern, 00:00 UTC, 10 AM on April 18th for some).
  • Place: Accessible World Tek Talk Training Room (www.accessibleworld.org).

 

To participate, you need to install TCConference software. Go to accessibleworld.org, choose Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room link, download and install the conferencing system, then log onto the room.

 

Hope to see you on April 17th.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

Enes,

          Have you tried SFC followed by DISM (possibly followed again by SFC)?   I have found that DISM often fixes bits that SFC does not.

If you can't get this fixed via SFC & DISM then I'd consider using System Restore to roll back to a restore point prior to the latest cumulative update install.  There are times when some really inexplicable (and seemingly undetectable) error occurs during an update and allowing it to reapply itself after a restore to before it was first applied allows it to get itself installed correctly on the second shot.

If you want to "go extreme" you could use system restore to roll back to before that last cumulative update then use the Windows 10 Update Assistant to force an update to Creators Update.  This, however, would be my last resort.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

enes sarıbaş
 

if it were so simple to solve, I wouldn't be posting here. We tried everything, including a reboot and restarting nvda.


On 4/12/2017 4:41 PM, Chris wrote:

Omg this is so simple to solve

Restart your screen reader problem solved

 

 

From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: 12 April 2017 13:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

windows 10 1607

 

 

On 4/12/2017 1:27 AM, Stephen wrote:

> is this with windows 7 or windows 10?

> At 08:06 AM 4/12/2017, you wrote:

>> hi,

>> 

>> After installing the latest windows update, a friend of mine can no

>> longer read the windows+x menu and many other things. Nvda just says

>> unknown. SFC scannow has proven ineffective. Also, narrator doesn't

>> read said menus. Anyone have a solution to this?

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 



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