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Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Hi Daniel,

 

This is almost a finger-twisting exercise  to accomplish using Braille Extender app as you’d need to issue four commands altogether in  rapid succession, meaning two sets of two different key combinations. I tried unsuccessfully many times, and nothing showed on the display. However, there is a neat alternative, which shows  the time and the date all at once on the display.

 

Are you using the Braille Extender? If not, where might I find a similar command for the date (from a Braille display) if I were to temporarily disable this app?

 

Best,

Cordelia

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

 

 

Cordelia,

 

Alright. What happens when you issue NVDA+F12 twice rapidly from the Braille keyboard then?

 

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Cordelia Scharpf
Sendt: 10. april 2020 11:24
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

Daniel,

 

On both PCs (one Windows 10, the other Windows 7) running NVDA 2019.3.1 and with both the voice and Braille display turned on, I got the following:

 

NVDA+F12: announces and displays time

NVDA (held down)+F12 (twice rapidly): announces and displays date, including the  day

 

HTH,

Cordelia

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

 

Interesting observations.

 

Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?

 

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel
Sendt: 9. april 2020 21:31
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession.

The original post makes me think that NVDA+F12,NVDA+F12 was being pressed twice in rapid succession.  I used NVDA+F12 followed by just F12 in rapid succession, never releasing the NVDA key before both F12s were pressed.   I got the Save dialog in word, or the show elements panel in Brave, if I did NVDA+F12, released NVDA and then hit F12 again quickly.  But never when I depress NVDA, keep it held, and then hit two F12s in rapid succession before releasing NVDA.
--

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: NVDA Audio Themes Add On

 

The only thing I can find that uses Audio Theme as part of it's name is the NVDA Audio Themes Add-On.  Activate that link and you'll be taken to the GitHub page for the developers releases that can be downloaded.  The latest appears to be a beta (and the one before it was, too), v6.0b2, from December 2019.

Here's the direct link to download the add-on package file: audiothemes-6.0b2.nvda-addon

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       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Buttons in Forms?

 

Are you able to provide any URLs of pages that include an example of such that don't require you to be logged in with an account to access it?

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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 09:38 AM, Kenny wrote:
Couldn't the NVDA Mozilla apps enhancement add-on include some sort of fix to stop this until Mozilla gets around to removing the tag causing the problem?
There would be no logical reason to create code that "fixes" something that can be worked around simply by disabling it for the time being using available controls.  And anyone who needs to shut up the status bar should simply disable it for now, until the fix already made gets pushed out to Thunderbird.
 
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements

 

Status Update from Bugzilla:  Bug assigned, and fixed, as of an hour ago.  I don't know what the roll out cycle is for Thunderbird and this sort of fix.  I imagine it won't take long and will be in the third dot level, e.g., 68.7.1 (the current release is 68.7.0).

This whole episode is precisely the reason I keep harping on the need to file bugs. Complaining here is just that (and not that doing so is inappropriate), but without actually bringing the issues to the attention of those who can fix them it's generally a waste of breath (or typing).

My offer still stands that if anyone, at any point, wants to learn how to submit bug/issue reports I'll sit down with you and walk you through doing one, creating step-by-step instructions as we go.  That's how most of my step-by-steps have been created, by actually walking through a process myself and recording the steps or doing the same to assist someone else.  You can't really create a "fake bug" or you'd be justifiably run out of town on a rail.  Developers have enough to do already.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Buttons in Forms?

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA group,

Is there a way to work with a given online form when the accept or
confirm call for pressing enter key on a button?

I have had two occasions where I can press enter on the button to
cancel, but the choice to accept does not complete when pressing enter
key on the confirm or accept.

I am using NVDA and the latest FF version. Moreover, sighted assist is
not always convenient.
Thanks for help in advance!

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David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


NVDA Audio Themes Add On

bhanu computer
 

hi all, i need NVDA audio theem addon for nvda very latest version.
i cant find the audio theem addon compatable with nvda latest.
so any please help me.
thanks in advance


Speak password nvda add-on can't be install

Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono <tyasetarabita@...>
 

Hi, I was install speak password nvda add-on but when I put passwird, nvda not speak, then I uninstall then download speak password again from
I install, it appear installation of speak password 1.01 has been
blocked. An update version of this add-on is required, the minimum
add-on API supported by the version of NVDA is 2019.3. I am using
latest version of NVDA, nvda version 2019.3 1. so what is the sollution, can you help me,
please?


Re: where is the status bar to stop talking Thunderbird

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi,

thank you, I have finally found and unchecked the status bar.


Jarek

Dne 10.04.2020 v 16:20 Don H napsal(a):

with thunderbird open hit alt v.  there under tool bars you can arrow down to status br.  If it says it is checked hit enter on it to uncheck it.

On 4/10/2020 9:14 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi all in the group,

I would like uncheck the status bar, because also my Thunderbird is much talking.

I have version 68.7.

But I can't find the status bar.

There I please your advice.



Re: where is the status bar to stop talking Thunderbird

Don H
 

with thunderbird open hit alt v.  there under tool bars you can arrow down to status br.  If it says it is checked hit enter on it to uncheck it.

On 4/10/2020 9:14 AM, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:
Hi all in the group,

I would like uncheck the status bar, because also my Thunderbird is much talking.

I have version 68.7.

But I can't find the status bar.

There I please your advice.


where is the status bar to stop talking Thunderbird

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi all in the group,

I would like uncheck the status bar, because also my Thunderbird is much talking.

I have version 68.7.

But I can't find the status bar.

There I please your advice.


--
Jarek


Re: Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements

Ian Blackburn
 

Of course temporarily all I did was turn off the status bar in the view menu
That will solve it until Thunderbird fixes it up


On 10 Apr 2020, at 9:38 pm, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:



Joseph, I ask you this question respectfully.


Will a quicker fix be made available via Mozilla, or the fine add-on developers who monitor these list daily?


I'm ready to switchback to MS mail due to this annoyance of NVDA reading everything being displayed on Thunderbird's mail status bar.


Couldn't the NVDA Mozilla apps enhancement add-on include some sort of fix to stop this until Mozilla gets around to removing the tag causing the problem?


On 4/10/2020 2:37 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hello NVDA users,

 

As requested by moderators, please direct further comments to GitHub issue:

 

A few minutes ago one of the NVDA code contributors tweeted that annoying status bar announcement issue is caused by changes made to Thunderbird itself. In short, Thunderbird placed a tag on its status bar that will cause NVDA to announce messages continuously (technical: ARIA role status was used for status bar).

 

Unless it is justified that NVDA should resolve this issue on its own, this issue is something Thunderbird developers should resolve.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Joseph, I ask you this question respectfully.


Will a quicker fix be made available via Mozilla, or the fine add-on developers who monitor these list daily?


I'm ready to switchback to MS mail due to this annoyance of NVDA reading everything being displayed on Thunderbird's mail status bar.


Couldn't the NVDA Mozilla apps enhancement add-on include some sort of fix to stop this until Mozilla gets around to removing the tag causing the problem?


On 4/10/2020 2:37 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hello NVDA users,

 

As requested by moderators, please direct further comments to GitHub issue:

 

A few minutes ago one of the NVDA code contributors tweeted that annoying status bar announcement issue is caused by changes made to Thunderbird itself. In short, Thunderbird placed a tag on its status bar that will cause NVDA to announce messages continuously (technical: ARIA role status was used for status bar).

 

Unless it is justified that NVDA should resolve this issue on its own, this issue is something Thunderbird developers should resolve.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Thunderbird issue update (comments should be sent to GitHub): changes to Thunderbird is responsible for annoying status bar announcements

 

What is the link to an open issue on their github, if there is one? I tried looking, but nothing came up.


Re: Max Audio Pro problem

mohammad suliman
 

Hello Maria,

I also have a dell Vostro, and I encounter this dialog so often.
You can work around the accessibility issue of this interface by using object navigation if you're familiar with it. The name of each list item is the first child of each list item. If you aren't, let me know which option you want (what are you trying to connect to the laptop) , and I can give you some instructions how to choose that option, E.G how many times to press down arrow / tab etc...

All the best!
Mohammad

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 02:50, Maria S <raynbo15@...> wrote:
Hi all. I discovered a small but annoying problem with my computer. It is a Dell inspiron and it has the Max Pro Audio interface. So when you plug something audio related into the computer, it pops up a dialog asking what device you just plugged in. Jaws will read this list, but NVDA will not. Ideally, I would like to uninstall this little middleman of a program, but failing that, does anyone know of a way to get NVDA to read this dialog?

Thanks, Maria   




Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?

Daniel Gartmann
 

 

 

Cordelia,

 

Alright. What happens when you issue NVDA+F12 twice rapidly from the Braille keyboard then?

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Cordelia Scharpf
Sendt: 10. april 2020 11:24
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

Daniel,

 

On both PCs (one Windows 10, the other Windows 7) running NVDA 2019.3.1 and with both the voice and Braille display turned on, I got the following:

 

NVDA+F12: announces and displays time

NVDA (held down)+F12 (twice rapidly): announces and displays date, including the  day

 

HTH,

Cordelia

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

 

Interesting observations.

 

Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?

 

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel
Sendt: 9. april 2020 21:31
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession.

The original post makes me think that NVDA+F12,NVDA+F12 was being pressed twice in rapid succession.  I used NVDA+F12 followed by just F12 in rapid succession, never releasing the NVDA key before both F12s were pressed.   I got the Save dialog in word, or the show elements panel in Brave, if I did NVDA+F12, released NVDA and then hit F12 again quickly.  But never when I depress NVDA, keep it held, and then hit two F12s in rapid succession before releasing NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: google chrome version 81

mohammad suliman
 

Hello Brion!

Thanks for the appreciation and encouragement!
Yah i see that. Although I searched the tracker for similar issues, but couldn't find this one. In any case, I think that by raising this issue, we got the fix to be in a future Chrome 81 update, and not have to wait until 82 is released.

Thanks again!
Mohammad

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 23:53, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Mohammad, 

            Just as an FYI, your report was deemed a duplicate and merged into 

Issue 1069448: neither NVDA nore Jaws screen readers are able to read PDF documents in latest Chrome version 81 stable

 
            It was deemed a regression bug, and apparently a fix has already been made as of earlier this afternoon.  The final line of the issue above notes:

Good news, this is a duplicate of bug 1047856 which has just been verified as having been fixed. I'll merge this bug now. If you have any questions or concerns after Chrome updates with the fix, please let us know!
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: google chrome version 81

mohammad suliman
 

Hello Ilana and all!

Agreed! Firefox is more stable when it comes to accessibility according to my experience also. Chrome is getting there I think. My issue with Chrome here that I really think that such a problem shouldn't found its way to the release version. This tells that Google isn't doing enough accessibility QA on Chrome I think, Which is really depressing! I have 4 apps installed on my system which are based on Chrome, besides Chrome itself of course. Those apps have bugs which originates from bugs in Chromium. What I am trying to say is that Google needs to be more careful in my opinion to not release versions of the software with bugs that affects the user experience, as much as they can of course, because those bugs will be present in other apps based on Chromium.
I think that skype soon will follow this trend and become a Chromium based app also, so this approach is gaining more and more popularity.

Have a great weekend!
Mohammad

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 21:55, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@...> wrote:

Hi

As far as reading PDF files I am strongly recommend reading with dedicated PDF readers especially with Adobe reader .

From my experience I think that Mozilla Firefox is the best browser ever as far as Accessibility and also security best support.

Sorry Google love you, but on other apps …

 


‫בתאריך יום ה׳, 9 באפר׳ 2020 ב-20:03 מאת ‪Brian Vogel‬‏ <‪britechguy@...‬‏>:‬
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:35 PM, mohammad suliman wrote:
I have reported it on Chromium bug tracker:
And a huge, massively huge thank you from me for having done so!!   Now if others activate that link, navigate to what NVDA announces as the "Star border" button (I think) and continues to say "to star this issue," and activates that button, we'll be getting somewhere.

In addition to bug reports like this, which are vital, the mechanisms that allow other users to effectively make the statement, "Hey, I've got this issue, too," by using them is what makes an issue bubble up in the priority for attention queue.
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Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 



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Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?

Cordelia Scharpf
 

Daniel,

 

On both PCs (one Windows 10, the other Windows 7) running NVDA 2019.3.1 and with both the voice and Braille display turned on, I got the following:

 

NVDA+F12: announces and displays time

NVDA (held down)+F12 (twice rapidly): announces and displays date, including the  day

 

HTH,

Cordelia

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Daniel Gartmann
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

 

Interesting observations.

 

Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?

 

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel
Sendt: 9. april 2020 21:31
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession.

The original post makes me think that NVDA+F12,NVDA+F12 was being pressed twice in rapid succession.  I used NVDA+F12 followed by just F12 in rapid succession, never releasing the NVDA key before both F12s were pressed.   I got the Save dialog in word, or the show elements panel in Brave, if I did NVDA+F12, released NVDA and then hit F12 again quickly.  But never when I depress NVDA, keep it held, and then hit two F12s in rapid succession before releasing NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna

 

 


Re: How can I get the date from a Braille display?

Daniel Gartmann
 

 

Interesting observations.

 

Anybody else using a Braille display with a Braille keyboard who can check if it is possible to issue the command to show the date?

 

Daniel

 

Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Brian Vogel
Sendt: 9. april 2020 21:31
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How can I get the date from a Braille display?

 

By the way, and not using a braille display, when I wanted to get the date announced when NVDA was running I did hold down NVDA then hit F12 twice in rapid succession.

The original post makes me think that NVDA+F12,NVDA+F12 was being pressed twice in rapid succession.  I used NVDA+F12 followed by just F12 in rapid succession, never releasing the NVDA key before both F12s were pressed.   I got the Save dialog in word, or the show elements panel in Brave, if I did NVDA+F12, released NVDA and then hit F12 again quickly.  But never when I depress NVDA, keep it held, and then hit two F12s in rapid succession before releasing NVDA.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna