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Re: writing in forums on the web

 

Rayette,

          Do you use the mouse at all or are you willing to do so?  The Mouse Tracking feature of NVDA is one of my favorite things, particularly in thorny situations such as this one.  You could move your mouse until you hear that you're over the "Submit New Thread" or "Preview Post" buttons (if that's what you want to do) or even that the mouse isn't announcing that it's over any webpage object at all [which is probably best].  Clicking on "blank space" on the webpage shifts focus out of that rich text editing box then you can begin using the standard NVDA browsing commands you're accustomed to in order to navigate to the actual link/button/combo box or other thing you wish to have focus on.

It's a work-around, but one that works.
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Re: writing in forums on the web

 

Rayette,

                I have not figured out that little conundrum.  Nothing I've tried in NVDA has worked, at least not reliably.  At one point I thought I had it figured out by going from focus mode to browse mode and using comma to move me out of the edit box itself and to the resize control on the Rich Text Editing box, but I can't get beyond that on the http://www.fortrefuge.com/ forum page.  By contrast, on the groups.io site I can go from focus to browse mode, hit comma which takes me to the "edit box stretcher" on this forums website, then a single strike of B shoots me to the "Reply to Group" button.

                This website is behaving somewhat unpredictably in its interaction with NVDA as far as the Rich Text Formatting edit box.  Sometimes if I try comma after going into browse mode it takes me to the resizing control, other times it tells me "not in a container" even though I've just been entering text in that editor before shifting to browse mode and hitting comma.  

                Someone more skilled in NVDA than I might want to go to http://www.fortrefuge.com/forum/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=94 ,which is their Post New Thread page to see if they can figure out how to escape that editing box/widget once it's been entered.  You do not have to complete a post, as I certainly have not and you also do not need to deal with the ReCaptcha to gain entrance to that editing space.
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Re: writing in forums on the web

Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

I'm really good at writing on forums. I do have a question though? How do i get out of the text editor with NVDA. Tabbing does nothing once i'm in that box.


On 10/12/2016 11:28 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rayette,

          That's difficult for me to say, not knowing you nor how web saavy you may or may not be on a global level.  Since you're new here (unless you're a lurker, in which case you may already know this) I am fully sighted but work extensively with blind or visually impaired individuals on how to use a computer either completely without vision or with the residual vision (or original limited vision) that they have.

           If you have someone who could be your sighted assistant, who you know and trust given the nature of the forum you've given the link to, and are good about navigating the web in general I feel rather certain you could get yourself up and running as a skilled forum participant on that site with practice in the mechanics of reading and posting for the specific forums management software that they're using.  If you are not a skilled web browser user already then it becomes far more complicated because you do need that base skill first.
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Re: writing in forums on the web

 

Rayette,

          That's difficult for me to say, not knowing you nor how web saavy you may or may not be on a global level.  Since you're new here (unless you're a lurker, in which case you may already know this) I am fully sighted but work extensively with blind or visually impaired individuals on how to use a computer either completely without vision or with the residual vision (or original limited vision) that they have.

           If you have someone who could be your sighted assistant, who you know and trust given the nature of the forum you've given the link to, and are good about navigating the web in general I feel rather certain you could get yourself up and running as a skilled forum participant on that site with practice in the mechanics of reading and posting for the specific forums management software that they're using.  If you are not a skilled web browser user already then it becomes far more complicated because you do need that base skill first.
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Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: writing in forums on the web

Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

Oh, ok. Thanks. so do you think this forum would be easy to post in?


On 10/12/2016 11:16 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Based on Rayette's offering a link I think it's safe to say that participating in a web forum is what's being asked about.

Having visited the website there are actually two forums hosted there, a public one and a private one due to the sensitive nature of the potential conversations themselves.

The public forum allows you to post as an unregistered guest.  Once you activate the "Post New Topic" button you are presented with a web form (where you could log in if you have an account) but that by default shows you as user "Unregistered," offers a ReCaptcha (the audio version of which is a number sequence that's very easy to understand and spoken very slowly) to prove you're actually human, and the following fields and controls for your post:

  • Title
  • the actual message composition box, which NVDA announces as "Rich Text Editor" because that's what's used for composition.  You can simply type if you do not wish to employ any of the formatting buttons.
  • a dropdown box that allows you to give a specific trigger warning to potential readers about the nature of the content of your message
  • a submit new thread button
  • a preview post button

I would have to presume that the private forum setup would be largely the same but that since login is required no ReCaptcha would be used.  The preceding only covers posting, not reading, which is its own kettle of fish.

As Antony already noted, it's impossible to give truly generic instructions with regard to web forums, though there are several major formats that do get used repeatedly on different forums websites.  If you intend to get heavily involved on a specific web forum it really is helpful to have a sighted assistant during the first couple of tries just so they can walk you through the controls that they see (some of which you may or may not need).  Once you've got a given forum "system" down it's reasonably easy to use other forums that are using the same forums management software.  It's also somewhat easier to plow your way through an unfamiliar forums software used elsewhere because you now have experience, and there are some strong similarities, though you may need or want sighted assistance to work through the differences.

Most online forum pages present lists of topics in the form of links, so using your screen reader to get a list of links is often a shortcut for getting a quick feel for what's currently being discussed.  Some, depending on how they've structured the page, might also be categorized as headings, so using that element type can also sometimes be helpful.  In the case of the particular forum Rayette shared the link to they structure their forums page such that threads are beautifully displayed as a list of headings, where the thread title is the heading.  In NVDA the level 0 heading is the forum title itself and all the level 1 headings are the threads.



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Re: writing in forums on the web

 

Based on Rayette's offering a link I think it's safe to say that participating in a web forum is what's being asked about.

Having visited the website there are actually two forums hosted there, a public one and a private one due to the sensitive nature of the potential conversations themselves.

The public forum allows you to post as an unregistered guest.  Once you activate the "Post New Topic" button you are presented with a web form (where you could log in if you have an account) but that by default shows you as user "Unregistered," offers a ReCaptcha (the audio version of which is a number sequence that's very easy to understand and spoken very slowly) to prove you're actually human, and the following fields and controls for your post:

  • Title
  • the actual message composition box, which NVDA announces as "Rich Text Editor" because that's what's used for composition.  You can simply type if you do not wish to employ any of the formatting buttons.
  • a dropdown box that allows you to give a specific trigger warning to potential readers about the nature of the content of your message
  • a submit new thread button
  • a preview post button

I would have to presume that the private forum setup would be largely the same but that since login is required no ReCaptcha would be used.  The preceding only covers posting, not reading, which is its own kettle of fish.

As Antony already noted, it's impossible to give truly generic instructions with regard to web forums, though there are several major formats that do get used repeatedly on different forums websites.  If you intend to get heavily involved on a specific web forum it really is helpful to have a sighted assistant during the first couple of tries just so they can walk you through the controls that they see (some of which you may or may not need).  Once you've got a given forum "system" down it's reasonably easy to use other forums that are using the same forums management software.  It's also somewhat easier to plow your way through an unfamiliar forums software used elsewhere because you now have experience, and there are some strong similarities, though you may need or want sighted assistance to work through the differences.

Most online forum pages present lists of topics in the form of links, so using your screen reader to get a list of links is often a shortcut for getting a quick feel for what's currently being discussed.  Some, depending on how they've structured the page, might also be categorized as headings, so using that element type can also sometimes be helpful.  In the case of the particular forum Rayette shared the link to they structure their forums page such that threads are beautifully displayed as a list of headings, where the thread title is the heading.  In NVDA the level 0 heading is the forum title itself and all the level 1 headings are the threads.



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Re: writing in forums on the web

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Rayet:

Thanks for the clarification.
Kevin Huber

On 10/12/16, Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...> wrote:
Participating in forums. I mean writing posts in forums.


On 10/12/2016 10:23 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Rayet:

Are you talking about participating in forums or are you talking about
filling out forms?
Kevin Huber


On 10/10/16, Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...> wrote:
So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing
with NVDA?


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Re: writing in forums on the web

Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

Participating in forums. I mean writing posts in forums.

On 10/12/2016 10:23 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi Rayet:

Are you talking about participating in forums or are you talking about
filling out forms?
Kevin Huber


On 10/10/16, Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...> wrote:
So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing
with NVDA?


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Re: is there another users nvda mailing lists to join up?

Alexander Masic
 

But that list is cancel. and moved to here.



Den 2016-10-12 kl. 16:53, skrev Roger Stewart:

Here is an address to subscribe to another nvda list. I don't know if it is still active as I've not seen any activity on it for quite a while now.

nvdainfo-subscribe@...

Use this to subscribe.

Good luck.

Roger











On 10/12/2016 8:51 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
hi,

as subject line says, I want to know if there's another good mailing
list for nvda, users general list or specific ones always nvda related,
if anyone can give me further info will be appreciated.




Re: writing in forums on the web

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Rayet:

Are you talking about participating in forums or are you talking about
filling out forms?
Kevin Huber

On 10/10/16, Rayette Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...> wrote:
So, how do I fill out forums on the web with the web applications thing
with NVDA?


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Re: is there another users nvda mailing lists to join up?

Roger Stewart
 

Here is an address to subscribe to another nvda list. I don't know if it is still active as I've not seen any activity on it for quite a while now.

nvdainfo-subscribe@...

Use this to subscribe.

Good luck.

Roger

On 10/12/2016 8:51 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
hi,

as subject line says, I want to know if there's another good mailing
list for nvda, users general list or specific ones always nvda related,
if anyone can give me further info will be appreciated.



YNT: [nvda] File Attached: Weather.zipcodes My Customized List

Engin Albayrak <mealbayrak@...>
 

Thanks your work but, Weather plus ad-on doesn't need to zipcode list. You can search Your citi from the edit box in the ad-on. Write Your citi and pres the test button.

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Kimden: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Yerine Ron Canazzi
Tarih: 12 Ekim 2016 Çarşamba 16:26
Kime: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Konu: Re: [nvda] File Attached: Weather.zipcodes My Customized List

I forgot: this list does not take attachments.


I'll use send space.



On 10/12/2016 9:22 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


By popular demand, here are my customized listings of 133 cities from
my own version of the Weather Add On for NVDA. Keep in mind, my
perspective is United States based. I have many US cities and some of
the more important world capitals.


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is there another users nvda mailing lists to join up?

Leo Bado <leobado1970@...>
 

hi,

as subject line says, I want to know if there's another good mailing
list for nvda, users general list or specific ones always nvda related,
if anyone can give me further info will be appreciated.



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Re: weather plus question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I just want to let you know I got my problem fixed.  I started from the beginning and I got my city entered.  Thank you all for the help.
 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 7:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] weather plus question
 
Hi All,
 
I just started using nvda and downloaded the weather plus app.  Does anyone know where I can get the file of zip codes?  Thanks for any help. Regards, Gary kn4ox


Weather.zipcodes: My own Customization

Ron Canazzi
 

LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN!


Hi Group,

By popular demand, here are my customized listings of 133 cities from my own version of the Weather Add On for NVDA. Keep in mind, my perspective is United States based. I have many US cities and some of the more important world capitals.


https://www.sendspace.com/file/g9lrj0


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: weather plus question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Adriano,
 
Gary here.  I figured out how to add my city.  All is well now.  Thanks for your help.
 

From: Adriano Barbieri via Groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus question
 
Hi Andrea and Michael,
 
These lists are created by each user of Weather Plus, and then are customized.
The list increases as by adding every time the city of your interest...
I don't think that interests you my italian cities list, but if you want I can send it in private :)
You can then import the city from the button "Import new cities..." and selecting the file with the extension*.zipcodes.
Regards
Adriano
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrea Sherry
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus question
 

I would also appreciate a copy of this weather.zipcodes please.

Andrea


On 12/10/2016 5:55 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.io wrote:
Hi Gary and every body,
 
In addition to what I have already said to Ron:
You can import the file Weather.zipcodes from another Weather Plus user; these can export and then send us their list of cities.
 
Regards
Adriano
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Metzler
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] weather plus question
 
Hi All,
 
I just started using nvda and downloaded the weather plus app.  Does anyone know where I can get the file of zip codes?  Thanks for any help. Regards, Gary kn4ox

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Re: File Attached: Weather.zipcodes My Customized List

Ron Canazzi
 

I forgot: this list does not take attachments.


I'll use send space.

On 10/12/2016 9:22 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


By popular demand, here are my customized listings of 133 cities from my own version of the Weather Add On for NVDA. Keep in mind, my perspective is United States based. I have many US cities and some of the more important world capitals.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


File Attached: Weather.zipcodes My Customized List

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


By popular demand, here are my customized listings of 133 cities from my own version of the Weather Add On for NVDA. Keep in mind, my perspective is United States based. I have many US cities and some of the more important world capitals.



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: How to enable Java Access Bridge?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
There is a spurious problem with JAB in that the installer sometimes doesn't copy a particular dll to the correct folder. As you are probably aware, you should install 32 and 64 bit Java versions on a 64-bit system and ensure the following dll's are in the specified folders to ensure JAB will work properly with NVDA and Java Control Center.

WindowsAccessBridge-32.dll should reside in Windows\SysWow64 folder WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should reside in Windows\System32 folder

It tends to be the 32 bit dll that goes missing, which is what NVDA uses but it's best to check both. If it's not in the correct place, copy it from Program Files x86\Java\Bin to the folder specified above, similarly on the 64 bit side if that dll is missing.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Diogo
Sent: 12 October 2016 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to enable Java Access Bridge?

Hi NVDA comunity,
I am using latest Next Version of NVDA screen reader and Windows 7 64bits.
I installed latest JRE for 64 bits. NVDA can not detect Java Access Bridge.
I activated Java Access Bridge:
1. I pressed Windows+U and select "Use computer without screen"; 2. E checked "enable java access bridge" checkbox; 3. I pressed NVDA+F1 to view log and Java Access Bridge.

It is a NVDA issue or a Java Access Bridge issue?
Thanks.
Best regards,

Diogo Costa


Accessible ERP Systems?

 

Hello,
I am wondering if anyone knows of any Enterprise resource planning Systems that are usable with NVDA?
I have looked at around 10 and only found one that was usable and it was not that functional.
I would like to know what other people have found?
Thanks,