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Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  Last I tried to use PyCharm a few months back, it wasn't at all accessible.  A few Python enabled IDES have come along, like Leclipse which is really Eclipse for Python development, VSCode on which you can install the Python development tools and Visual studio which is more of the same but with more bells and whistles.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 10:51 AM, Tony Malykh wrote:

Is PyCharm fully accessible now? Are there any tricks to set it up with NVDA?

I remember trying PyCharm a couple of years ago and it appeared to b not accessible at all - just wondering if things have improved since then?


On 11/18/2019 4:26 PM, Larry Wang wrote:

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA Announcing Highlighted Text in Microsoft Word #msftaccessibility

justinekylloe@...
 

Thank you for the response Quentin. 

Much appreciated! 
--
Justine K.
TVI/COMS

Re: help with Clip Contents Designer add on please

Luke Davis
 

Hi Luke. I don't use this add-on, but I went and installed it to see if I could answer your question. The things I'll do for people with the same name... :)

You wrote:

I am hoping to
do a input gesture and change the copy added text to clipboard  command which is NVDA + windows + C to something else because that key combination is too
awkward for me. I have never done a input gesture before.  I went to preferences, input gestures, text review and saw that 1  of the 2 key board commands
this add on uses is there which is described as  clear the clipboard  in the manual, but  when in the text review menu it says’ Deletes the added text and
the content of the clipboard “ . I can’t find the command I want to change with a input gesture which is  NVDA + windows + c which adds selected text to the
clipboard. I am thinking if one of the two commands are there the other is hopefully there too. Does anybody know where I can find it?
You have to go way down to the bottom of the Text review subtree. Quite near the end, you will find this:

Retrieves the selected string or the text from the previously set start marker up to and including the current position of the review cursor, and adds it to the clipboard.

Expand that item, go down one, and you will find what you're looking for.

Also, Since I have
downloaded this add on  every time I use the  plain copy to clipboard NVDA + C, I get a dialogue box coming up  saying  if I want to confirm and copy to the
clipboard. That displeases me very much LOL. Very annoying Lol.  Does anyone know how  to get rid of that?  I did go to, preferences, settings,  then Clip
Contents Designer   and there was options in there, but couldn’t find what I was looking for.
Yeah, that's the place. Go there again. Tab over to "Select the actions which require previous confirmation". Once there, press down arrow until you get to the checkbox "Confirm to emulate copy", and uncheck it.
You had the option to turn copy emulation on or off when installing the add-on--apparently you said yes at that time.
Anyway, uncheck it, tab to OK, press it, and you should have the desired behavior.

You may also want to turn off "Confirm to emulate cut" while you're at it.
However, before turning either of them off, look at the following combo box. You may just want to change when those confirmations happen. The default is "always", but there are two other options that may be more to your liking without turning off the emulation options.

Hth.

Luke (one of the other ones)

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

 

Then its probably not the bridge.



On 19/11/2019 7:37 pm, Henk Mulder wrote:
It is on a fresh install of Windows. So the JDK, JRE (both X64 and X86) and the access bridge are freshly installed.
I know the access bridge is working, since I can access the "Configure Java"  application. I can also work with IntellliJ, ass long as it will correctly start. But half the time it freezes when starting IntelliJ.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 03:48 schreef Shaun Everiss:

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: Keynote for NVDA

Luke Davis
 

If you follow that advice, you should also include add-on updater and Windows 10 App Essentials.

Luke

On Tue, 19 Nov 2019, Larry Wang wrote:

You can build a preconfigured portable version with addon installed
On 2019/11/17 14:51, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and
it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an
adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on
NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will
list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when
they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save
myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know,
the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen
reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.
--
Luke Davis
Moderator: the new NVDA Help mailing list! (https://groups.io/g/NVDAHelp)
Author: Debug Helper NVDA add-on (https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/debugHelper.en.html)

Re: Keynote for NVDA

Larry Wang
 

You can build a preconfigured portable version with addon installed

On 2019/11/17 14:51, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know, the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

Then I would ave to install Jaws just for the test, and I'dd rather not do that. There's a reason why I switched to NVDA: It just meets my needs a lot more.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 01:56 schreef Gene:

As a test, have you considered using a JAWS demo?  If the problem isn't corrected quickly enough, and if the program works with JAWS, a monthly JAWS license might meet your needs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

I know PyCharm has the same issues. It is also a flavour of IntelliJ. Didn't know that WebStorm does not have the problem with reloading NVDA while it is running. Isn't WebStorm also a flavour of IntelliJ? In that case it might be worth while to contact JetBrains.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 01:26 schreef Larry Wang:

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

It is on a fresh install of Windows. So the JDK, JRE (both X64 and X86) and the access bridge are freshly installed.
I know the access bridge is working, since I can access the "Configure Java"  application. I can also work with IntellliJ, ass long as it will correctly start. But half the time it freezes when starting IntelliJ.

Best,
Henk

Op 19/11/2019 om 03:48 schreef Shaun Everiss:

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk





Add-on Updater 19.11 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 19.11 is now available.

 

During add-on users informal meeting held at NVDACon 2019, a user suggested letting NVDA announce how many add-on updates are available (if any). And this is exactly what’s included in 19.11, along with localization updates.

 

Also, a few days ago I announced that Add-on Updater will require NVDA 2019.3 at some point in the future. In fact, Add-on Updater will be the very last add-on to require NVDA 2019.3 in February 2020 as requested by users during NVDACon 2019.

Cheers,

Joseph

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Tony Malykh
 

Is PyCharm fully accessible now? Are there any tricks to set it up with NVDA?

I remember trying PyCharm a couple of years ago and it appeared to b not accessible at all - just wondering if things have improved since then?


On 11/18/2019 4:26 PM, Larry Wang wrote:

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

 

In addition, java will not update its dlls right if they are being used on windows 10.

So you can 1.  update java, restart, then reinstall java to put the dlls back or run narator to update java which is what I do when updating java its not a big issue as java doesn't update all the time.



On 19/11/2019 2:26 pm, Jaffar Sidek wrote:

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

Yup Java Access Bridge seems to be a problem in terms of stability.  I don't know if you are using a 64 bit machine.  If this is so, perhaps you might like to check if the appropriate WindowsAccessBridge.dll is in the appropriate windows/system32 or windows/SysWOW directories.  so WindowsAccessBridge-64.dll should be in the windows/system32 directory and WindowsAccessBridge.dll should be in the windows/SysWOW directory.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 5:51 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Gene
 

As a test, have you considered using a JAWS demo?  If the problem isn't corrected quickly enough, and if the program works with JAWS, a monthly JAWS license might meet your needs.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Larry Wang
 

I have to restart PyCharm if NVDA is restarted. While WebStorm does not have this issue.

Maybe you can contact JetBrains.

On 2019/11/19 5:51, Henk Mulder wrote:
I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Henk Mulder
 

I am aware of the accessibility history of IntelliJ. It is getting better though. Partly because Android Studio is also based on IntelliJ, and for Android Studio they do seem to work a little bit on accessibility.
For me the choice for IntelliJ is more because that is what's being used in industry. Since all my colleagues use IntelliJ, and Eclipse does not support the way our project is organized, I rather use what everyone else is using (if possible).
However the problem I have is not with IntelliJ accessibility. I think there is a problem with NVDA and the Java access bridge in general. I was hoping that someone might have a solution to that.
I'm also using JDK8, since that's what I require for our project. I am running the latest update (JDK/JRE 1.8.0_231), so I assume I also have the most up-to-date access bridge included.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 21:27 schreef Jaffar Sidek:

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk




Re: NVDA: QUESTION

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, thanks for this. I got it anyway from twitter, but will keep this around just in case.

On 18/11/2019 04:16, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kevin,
The address for In-Process is: https://www.nvaccess.org/category/in-process/
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 8:57 AM Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:
Hi Quentin,   sorry I deleted the wrong email,   can yo send the url
for
the nvda in process again? sorry.
On 15/11/2019 07:50, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Thanks Christo!
>
> We really appreciate the kind words!
>
> You have a great weekend too, and if you're free, feel free to
tune in
> to some of NVDACon: https://www.nvdacon.org/
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 6:46 PM Christo Vorster
> <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
> <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Quentin____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks for the explanation. I must admit, I always was, and
still is
>     amazed tha the developers are able to update NVDA so frequently.
>     Yes, you are correct that whe all would prefer a stable
release.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     I can just repeat, thanks for the stunning work, you, and
everybody
>     involved in developing NVDA are doing. I’m sure I speak on
behalf of
>     all the users, you gave us the best possible alternative to
>     affordable speech available. I am of the opinion that NVDA is
>     probably the best speech package available.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Thanks again, and have a nice day____
>
>     __ __
>
>     *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Quentin Christensen
>     *Sent:* Friday, 15 November 2019 09:29
>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA: QUESTION____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You haven't missed anything Christo, and yes we'd normally
have the
>     third release out by now and be working on the 4th.  We're
making a
>     couple of big changes under the hood for 2019.3 - they
shouldn't be
>     too obvious when running NVDA, but they are key to future
works:____
>
>     - Speech Refactor will make it easier to update speech in
future (eg
>     to add earcons or reorder speech)____
>
>     - Moving to Python 3 is crucial, as Python 2 is about to reach
>     end-of-life and will no longer be supported from early next
year.
>     Also, people who have learnt to code Python in recent years will
>     have learnt Python 3 so this will make it easier for them to get
>     involved with NVDA.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     These changes have necessitated updates to many add-ons, and to
>     ensure that users are not left without working add-ons, we
are not
>     rushing NVDA 2019.3 but have been working with add-on
developers to
>     ensure everything transitions as smoothly as possible for
everyone
>     once NVDA 2019.3 does come out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     If you're curious about your favourite add-ons, you can view this
>     list compiled by Joseph Lee (Thanks Joseph!) on the Add-ons site:
> https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/nvdapy3.en.html____
>
>     __ __
>
>     You can also download the latest NVDA Alpha snapshots from
> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/ to try them out.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     At this stage, we're expecting NVDA 2019.3, when it comes
out, will
>     be the last release this year.  We know everyone likes a new
>     release, but we're sure you like a stable release more so that's
>     what we're determined to bring you :)____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Regards____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Quentin.____
>
>     __ __
>
>     On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Christo Vorster
>     <christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>
>     <mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...
<mailto:christo.vorster.klavierstem@...>>> wrote:____
>
>         Hi Group____
>
>         ____
>
>         I have missed quite a lot of messages, thus the following
>         question____
>
>         ____
>
>         Currently I have version 2019.2.1 running. I got used to the
>         fact that, by this time of the year, version .3 was out
and we
>         were awaiting version .4. I am just curious regarding what is
>         the situation.____
>
>         ____
>
>         I don’t have a problem with 2019.2.1, but am just
curious.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Thanks for the stunning work you all are doing.____
>
>         ____
>
>         Regards____
>
>         ____
>
>         Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)____
>
>
>     ____
>
>     __ __
>
>     -- ____
>
>     Quentin Christensen
>     Training and Support Manager____
>
>     __ __
>
>     Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>____
>
>     Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/____
>
>     Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/____
>
>     User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda____
>
>     Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>     Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>____
>
>     __
>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Web: www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Jaffar Sidek
 

HI.  IntelliJ Idea has had problems with accessibility since time immemorial.  Perhaps you would consider eclipse?  Or if it is Android programming you are in to, then Android Studio?  Those aren't the best accessibility wise, but they do work much better with NVDA.  Also, you might want to check if you have the Latest version of the Java SDK as they concequently come with the latest version of the Java Access Bridge.  I have no idea of the degree of accessibility of versions later then version 8 though because I have stuck to Java 8 and all it's builds since it's inception.  Cheers!

On 11/19/2019 12:19 AM, Henk Mulder wrote:
Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk



Re: Recommendations of IDE or command line interface for Python newby?

Sascha Cowley
 

I've never had a problem using the windows CLI.

On 19/11/2019 02:57, Aine Kelly Costello wrote:

Hi all,

?

I?m doing a data journalism course, and one part of it (starting Wednesday) is learning basic Python. I?m using NVDA and Notepad++, and as I understand, I need to set up a way to use a command line as apparently the Windows command line alone is not so user-friendly.

?

I know I will be using the Beautiful Soup library for web-scraping, but other than that, don?t have much info yet.

?

Many thanks in advance for any assistance!

?

?ine

Re: NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Gene
 

Its too bad that simple solution won't work.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hello Gene,

Unfortunately that won't help. IntelliJ is a Java application. Therefore you need the Java Access bridge in order to be able to use it with NVDA. The problem is that the Java Access Bridge will only load if the accessibility service is running. Thus if NVDA is not running while I start the application, I won't be able to work with the program since the access bridge isn't loaded.
On a similar note: if you restart NVDA while working with the program, you also lose the access bridge and need to restart the program as well.

Best,
Henk

Op 18/11/2019 om 16:19 schreef Gene:
What happens if you unload NVDA, run the other program, then run NVDA again?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 3:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA freezes in IntelliJ

Hi,

Using NVDA 2019.2.1, NVDA randomly freezes when I open IntelliJ IDE
(Community edition 2019.2.4).
When it happens, NVDA hangs and won't report anything (also when
switching to other applications with alt+tab). Also IntelliJ hangs and
will not open the current project. The only thing I can do is to start
Windows Narrator, which does keep working, and end the IntelliJ process
via the task manager. When the IntelliJ process is killed NVDA unfreezes.

Is there a way to make sure, or to increase the chance, that I can start
IntelliJ without NVDA and IntelliJ locking each other?

When NVDA is back I have the following snippet in the log viewer:

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (10:08:48.759):
Core frozen in stack:
   File "nvda.pyw", line 231, in <module>
   File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
   File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
   File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
   File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 663, in processFocusWinEvent
   File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 534, in winEventToNVDAEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
   File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
   File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 412, in
findOverlayClasses
   File "JABHandler.pyo", line 707, in isJavaWindow

Best,
Henk