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Re: google chrome version 81

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


As far as I can see, Chrome has changed when we talk about handling PDF documents.


Another thing I observe is that the options such as: download, print, fit to page, etc, are not possible to use except when NVDA is switched to the focus mode. As for the browse mode in a PDF document, there's nothing one can do in Chrome. That's sad, but it's true.


Try switching to the Opera browser for the time being, because we are all aware of the fact that the very technologies we engage in our use have increasingly been changing. That'll be so till the last day on this earth. Let's try to accept what is before us. Next versions might bring us what we had in the last one and those preceeding it.


Dejan

On 09/04/2020 01:07, Jason White via groups.io wrote:
If I open a PDF file in Chrome 81, NVDA describes it as an "embedded object", then fails to read it. JAWS does the same, so I assume something changed in Chrome. On the other hand, VoiceOver for Mac with Chrome 81 reads PDF documents as well as ever.

Is this a change that NVDA and other screen readers will need to adapt to, or is it a Chrome bug? Can others reproduce it? Note that I'm not using an external PDF reader; this is entirely with the PDF processor included in Chrome. I can of course use Adobe Reader dC instead, although Chrome was until recently giving me better results on a range of PDF files.

On 4/8/20, 14:27, "Shaun Everiss" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of @smeveriss> wrote:

well thats good to know.



On 8/04/2020 9:59 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
> Google Chrome 81 was released today...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2020 01:09
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome version 81
>
> A lot of stuff is delayed.
>
> Bar skype and a few codec updates nothing has been released due to this damn virus.
>
> Usually by now I have at least a couple releases of my display drivers for the month but nothing.
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>
> On 19/03/2020 12:22 pm, Don H wrote:
>> Has the release of google chrome version 81 been delayed?
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Re: another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time

 

I was able to turn off the junk filter.

My issue with remote content is that on lagit mail I have like newsletters and my descussion groups, almost every message has remote content or is in html.

Every html message thunderbird says, this message has remote content and may be unsafe.

As for spam, google's spam filter strips most of it out.

And before I do  my first mailcheck of the day I do the same check in google webmail.

At the end of my daily sessions I run ccleaner that I have customised to clear my junk and cookie data.

Thunderbirds filters are overzellous and have been that way ever since I have used thunderbird 52x and below.

In fact I started thunderbird at version 20 and it was already overzellous then.

As for tracking, just about every site tracks you anyway.

In fact by reading this lagit message I am being tracked now.

Tracking aint always bad, everyone does it.

I don't click links in messages or read files or open attachments from unknown users and I don't have view pain up so I am quite safe I think.

At any rate the last spam message I got in my inbox with google was at least a year ago and hardly any of them come in.

And it is clear if one of those is spam, reading em aint the issue as such, its all the other stuff.



On 9/04/2020 8:17 pm, Gene wrote:
It is a dangerous security breach to allow remote content.  You will allow bugs that can track you to be installed if you ever open a spam message by mistake, a lot of such messages have tracking bugs.  You will allow images and other content to run that may have malware.  Do  not do this. 
 
If you don’t know what the effects of lowering such settings are, don’t do it.  Ask here or look up information, but don’t just lower such settings without knowing what they do.  Go back to an earlier version of the program or Try to solve the problem in other ways.  In this case, going back involves creating a new profile.  I don’t know what is involved or how difficult it is.  The work and inconvenience may be more than the problem you are trying to solve.  I don’t know.  I’ll let others discuss that, but change the external content setting bacdk to what it was, not to allow it.  Perhaps setting the program not to use the spam filter or to not send anything to the spam folder might solve the problem if it is the junk diallog you are trying to eliminate.  I don’t know if there are such settings, but checck thoroughly.
 
I have said in the past that you shouldn’t just let the program update any time it feels like doing so.  Maybe now, people will start to listen.  Set the program not to update and don’t do so until some time goes by so you know if you see problems and complaints reported by others who have updated.  You would have saved yourself a lot of problems by doing this. 
 
There may be programs where it is important to let the program update.  A browser may be one.  An e-mail ;program isn’t such a program.  If you update now or a week from now, won’t matter.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time
 
I noticed this to, luckily I have made it so that thunderbirg allows
remote content and this seems to have so far made things work.
Thunderbird spam and junk filters are a joke, I don't know why there
is not a way to rely on something like google's spam mail and turn off
its own or just use an external source, maybe there is I have just
never investigated this.
However google has a really good spam filter and usually gets it right.


On 09/04/2020, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
> There is another issue that has cropped up since the update today. If
> you arrow in your message list and hit a message that t-bird thinks
> might be junk, some sort of box comes up informing you of that fact and
> offering choices, one of which is a button labeled "not junk". Press
> space on that, and what I expect to happen would be that I'd be put back
> in my messages list. But what seems to happen is that I'm some how stuck
> in the first part of the message that t-bird thought might be junk. I
> can't get out of that. The only thing I can do is close the app and
> re-open. What a waste of time! I've never seen this dialogue before
> about what t-bird thinks is junk, and I don't want to see it. If I think
> it is junk, I'll act accordingly, and  don't need an app interfering.
> How can I get rid of that?
>
>
> \Mary
>
>
>
>
>



Re: google chrome version 81

Dejan Ristic
 

Yes, yes!


It's become refreshable again.


Cheers

Dejan

On 08/04/2020 13:06, Felix G. wrote:
Best version in a long time! Reliability with NVDA seems to have
improved significantly.
Cheers,
Felix

Am Mi., 8. Apr. 2020 um 11:59 Uhr schrieb Ralf Kefferpuetz
<ralf.kefferpuetz@...>:
Google Chrome 81 was released today...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2020 01:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome version 81

A lot of stuff is delayed.

Bar skype and a few codec updates nothing has been released due to this damn virus.

Usually by now I have at least a couple releases of my display drivers for the month but nothing.



On 19/03/2020 12:22 pm, Don H wrote:
Has the release of google chrome version 81 been delayed?




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Re: another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time

Gene
 

It is a dangerous security breach to allow remote content.  You will allow bugs that can track you to be installed if you ever open a spam message by mistake, a lot of such messages have tracking bugs.  You will allow images and other content to run that may have malware.  Do  not do this. 
 
If you don’t know what the effects of lowering such settings are, don’t do it.  Ask here or look up information, but don’t just lower such settings without knowing what they do.  Go back to an earlier version of the program or Try to solve the problem in other ways.  In this case, going back involves creating a new profile.  I don’t know what is involved or how difficult it is.  The work and inconvenience may be more than the problem you are trying to solve.  I don’t know.  I’ll let others discuss that, but change the external content setting bacdk to what it was, not to allow it.  Perhaps setting the program not to use the spam filter or to not send anything to the spam folder might solve the problem if it is the junk diallog you are trying to eliminate.  I don’t know if there are such settings, but checck thoroughly.
 
I have said in the past that you shouldn’t just let the program update any time it feels like doing so.  Maybe now, people will start to listen.  Set the program not to update and don’t do so until some time goes by so you know if you see problems and complaints reported by others who have updated.  You would have saved yourself a lot of problems by doing this. 
 
There may be programs where it is important to let the program update.  A browser may be one.  An e-mail ;program isn’t such a program.  If you update now or a week from now, won’t matter.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2020 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time
 
I noticed this to, luckily I have made it so that thunderbirg allows
remote content and this seems to have so far made things work.
Thunderbird spam and junk filters are a joke, I don't know why there
is not a way to rely on something like google's spam mail and turn off
its own or just use an external source, maybe there is I have just
never investigated this.
However google has a really good spam filter and usually gets it right.


On 09/04/2020, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
> There is another issue that has cropped up since the update today. If
> you arrow in your message list and hit a message that t-bird thinks
> might be junk, some sort of box comes up informing you of that fact and
> offering choices, one of which is a button labeled "not junk". Press
> space on that, and what I expect to happen would be that I'd be put back
> in my messages list. But what seems to happen is that I'm some how stuck
> in the first part of the message that t-bird thought might be junk. I
> can't get out of that. The only thing I can do is close the app and
> re-open. What a waste of time! I've never seen this dialogue before
> about what t-bird thinks is junk, and I don't want to see it. If I think
> it is junk, I'll act accordingly, and  don't need an app interfering.
> How can I get rid of that?
>
>
> \Mary
>
>
>
>
>



Re: google chrome version 81

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I can confirm that. Something must be broken between the Adobe plugin and Chrome 81. I changed the default PDF app for viewing PDF files to Microsoft Edge for now and it is fast as well.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. April 2020 01:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome version 81

If I open a PDF file in Chrome 81, NVDA describes it as an "embedded object", then fails to read it. JAWS does the same, so I assume something changed in Chrome. On the other hand, VoiceOver for Mac with Chrome 81 reads PDF documents as well as ever.

Is this a change that NVDA and other screen readers will need to adapt to, or is it a Chrome bug? Can others reproduce it? Note that I'm not using an external PDF reader; this is entirely with the PDF processor included in Chrome. I can of course use Adobe Reader dC instead, although Chrome was until recently giving me better results on a range of PDF files.

On 4/8/20, 14:27, "Shaun Everiss" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of @smeveriss> wrote:

well thats good to know.



On 8/04/2020 9:59 pm, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
> Google Chrome 81 was released today...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Donnerstag, 19. März 2020 01:09
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] google chrome version 81
>
> A lot of stuff is delayed.
>
> Bar skype and a few codec updates nothing has been released due to this damn virus.
>
> Usually by now I have at least a couple releases of my display drivers for the month but nothing.
>
>
>
> On 19/03/2020 12:22 pm, Don H wrote:
>> Has the release of google chrome version 81 been delayed?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> .
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .


Re: another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time

Tyler Spivey
 

Try going to Tools, Account Settings, Junk Settings, and unchecking Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account.

On 4/8/2020 5:33 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
There is another issue that has cropped up since the update today. If you arrow in your message list and hit a message that t-bird thinks might be junk, some sort of box comes up informing you of that fact and offering choices, one of which is a button labeled "not junk". Press space on that, and what I expect to happen would be that I'd be put back in my messages list. But what seems to happen is that I'm some how stuck in the first part of the message that t-bird thought might be junk. I can't get out of that. The only thing I can do is close the app and re-open. What a waste of time! I've never seen this dialogue before about what t-bird thinks is junk, and I don't want to see it. If I think it is junk, I'll act accordingly, and  don't need an app interfering. How can I get rid of that?


\Mary



Re: another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time

 

I noticed this to, luckily I have made it so that thunderbirg allows
remote content and this seems to have so far made things work.
Thunderbird spam and junk filters are a joke, I don't know why there
is not a way to rely on something like google's spam mail and turn off
its own or just use an external source, maybe there is I have just
never investigated this.
However google has a really good spam filter and usually gets it right.

On 09/04/2020, Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
There is another issue that has cropped up since the update today. If
you arrow in your message list and hit a message that t-bird thinks
might be junk, some sort of box comes up informing you of that fact and
offering choices, one of which is a button labeled "not junk". Press
space on that, and what I expect to happen would be that I'd be put back
in my messages list. But what seems to happen is that I'm some how stuck
in the first part of the message that t-bird thought might be junk. I
can't get out of that. The only thing I can do is close the app and
re-open. What a waste of time! I've never seen this dialogue before
about what t-bird thinks is junk, and I don't want to see it. If I think
it is junk, I'll act accordingly, and  don't need an app interfering.
How can I get rid of that?


\Mary





Re: Boot Disc

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi Andrea,

There are boot disks for both windows 7 and 10.

I can send you links if you wish. Please write me off list
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Thursday, 09 April 2020 01:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Boot Disc

Does anyone know of a boot disc with speech?
Andrea


Re: Working with Word

Quentin Christensen
 

You're welcome, good luck with the job!

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 12:40 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello Quentin,

 

Thank you for getting back to me. I’ll hang on to this information and will check into it further if I get the job I’m after.

 

Jan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Working with Word

 

Hi Jan,

 

Word should work with NVDA out of the box.  There are many add-ons and some may help with the way you work, just as there are several ways to accomplish most tasks in word and some will work better for different people than others.  We have a training module covering most features of Word which you may be interested in: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/  It's only $30 AUD on its own, or you can buy it as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle, which includes Word, as well as our other modules and telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-productivity-bundle/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I’m looking for tips/tricks for working with Word. Are there any specific addons I should have? Also, are there specific hotkeys to navigate to and correct spelling and grammar errors? Any help is appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Jan


 

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Re: Working with Word

Janet Brandly
 

Hello Quentin,

 

Thank you for getting back to me. I’ll hang on to this information and will check into it further if I get the job I’m after.

 

Jan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Working with Word

 

Hi Jan,

 

Word should work with NVDA out of the box.  There are many add-ons and some may help with the way you work, just as there are several ways to accomplish most tasks in word and some will work better for different people than others.  We have a training module covering most features of Word which you may be interested in: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/  It's only $30 AUD on its own, or you can buy it as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle, which includes Word, as well as our other modules and telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-productivity-bundle/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I’m looking for tips/tricks for working with Word. Are there any specific addons I should have? Also, are there specific hotkeys to navigate to and correct spelling and grammar errors? Any help is appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Jan


 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Max Audio Pro problem

Sascha Cowley
 

I've found that clicking in the dialog or just tabbing around helps, but I can't give specifics as I've only ever encountered this software on examination laptops.

On 9/04/2020 09:50, Maria S wrote:
Hi all. I discovered a small but annoying problem with my computer. It is a Dell inspiron and it has the Max Pro Audio interface. So when you plug something audio related into the computer, it pops up a dialog asking what device you just plugged in. Jaws will read this list, but NVDA will not. Ideally, I would like to uninstall this little middleman of a program, but failing that, does anyone know of a way to get NVDA to read this dialog?

Thanks, Maria


another thunderbird issue with focus loss this time

Mary Otten
 

There is another issue that has cropped up since the update today. If you arrow in your message list and hit a message that t-bird thinks might be junk, some sort of box comes up informing you of that fact and offering choices, one of which is a button labeled "not junk". Press space on that, and what I expect to happen would be that I'd be put back in my messages list. But what seems to happen is that I'm some how stuck in the first part of the message that t-bird thought might be junk. I can't get out of that. The only thing I can do is close the app and re-open. What a waste of time! I've never seen this dialogue before about what t-bird thinks is junk, and I don't want to see it. If I think it is junk, I'll act accordingly, and  don't need an app interfering. How can I get rid of that?


\Mary


locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

David Csercsics
 

I find it works lovely here. I don't have any issues with it not reporting anything that matters. I still get the alert text when new messages arrive, so I'm not sure what information is being left out that someone wants.


Re: Working with Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jan,

Word should work with NVDA out of the box.  There are many add-ons and some may help with the way you work, just as there are several ways to accomplish most tasks in word and some will work better for different people than others.  We have a training module covering most features of Word which you may be interested in: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/microsoft-word-training-for-nvda-ebook/  It's only $30 AUD on its own, or you can buy it as part of the NVDA Productivity Bundle, which includes Word, as well as our other modules and telephone support: https://www.nvaccess.org/product/nvda-productivity-bundle/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:01 AM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:

Hello,

 

I’m looking for tips/tricks for working with Word. Are there any specific addons I should have? Also, are there specific hotkeys to navigate to and correct spelling and grammar errors? Any help is appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Jan



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locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

 

Hmmm I enabled it but it told me when I was doing everything, I wish I could customise things, maybe have all that extra text being put into sounds, and then a way for me to put a different sound with each event, and so on then in case I sat on my board or screwed up I'd probably know about it.

On 9/04/2020 12:13 pm, Mary Otten wrote:
David, your disabling status bar did the trick, thank goodness!


Mary


On 4/8/2020 3:34 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
I got the 68.7 update today and noticed it was chatty. It was reading the status bar, so I disabled that, and it's less verbose. You can disable the status bar from view -> toolbars.





locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

 

Hmmm I also hear when its loading a message.

Thinking on it now outlook does this and yeah I could get used to the new interface I guess.

On 9/04/2020 11:58 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


I must of just got a update this morning.


The first time I checked the emails etc no extra verbage.


Just opened it now and am getting what you said as in

it will tell you it is downloading messages from your accounts and how many. I just hit the ctrl key at present when it done that.


Just been reading some messages it will tell you the amount of unread messages etc and when you delete them etc


Will have more of a sus but I think apart from when it goes to download the messages I probably do not mind the rest been spoken.


Will also check if the status bar is disabled will it be spoken then?


I am guessing for messages been deleted it will.


Gene nz


On 9/04/2020 11:34 am, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks, David, for that hint about disabling the status bar. I’m going to try that, and if that works, then that would be great. Otherwise, I will report in exact detail in accordance with Brian‘s request about what exactly it was saying. But right now, I’m outside enjoying a rather nice day for once in what is usually rainy Oregon.
On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:

I got the 68.7 update today and noticed it was chatty. It was reading the status bar, so I disabled that, and it's less verbose. You can disable the status bar from view -> toolbars.






locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

Mary Otten
 

David, your disabling status bar did the trick, thank goodness!


Mary

On 4/8/2020 3:34 PM, David Csercsics wrote:
I got the 68.7 update today and noticed it was chatty. It was reading the status bar, so I disabled that, and it's less verbose. You can disable the status bar from view -> toolbars.




locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

 

well I don't mind I guess but it will be something to get used to.

On 9/04/2020 11:58 am, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


I must of just got a update this morning.


The first time I checked the emails etc no extra verbage.


Just opened it now and am getting what you said as in

it will tell you it is downloading messages from your accounts and how many. I just hit the ctrl key at present when it done that.


Just been reading some messages it will tell you the amount of unread messages etc and when you delete them etc


Will have more of a sus but I think apart from when it goes to download the messages I probably do not mind the rest been spoken.


Will also check if the status bar is disabled will it be spoken then?


I am guessing for messages been deleted it will.


Gene nz


On 9/04/2020 11:34 am, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks, David, for that hint about disabling the status bar. I’m going to try that, and if that works, then that would be great. Otherwise, I will report in exact detail in accordance with Brian‘s request about what exactly it was saying. But right now, I’m outside enjoying a rather nice day for once in what is usually rainy Oregon.
On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:

I got the 68.7 update today and noticed it was chatty. It was reading the status bar, so I disabled that, and it's less verbose. You can disable the status bar from view -> toolbars.






locked Re: Thunderbird talking way too much

 

Well I think someone should report this, the biggest issue with disabling status is that nvda does not read the progress on incomming mail, so you don't know when things are coming or going only hear they are.

On 9/04/2020 11:34 am, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks, David, for that hint about disabling the status bar. I’m going to try that, and if that works, then that would be great. Otherwise, I will report in exact detail in accordance with Brian‘s request about what exactly it was saying. But right now, I’m outside enjoying a rather nice day for once in what is usually rainy Oregon.
On Apr 8, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Csercsics <bleeblat@...> wrote:

I got the 68.7 update today and noticed it was chatty. It was reading the status bar, so I disabled that, and it's less verbose. You can disable the status bar from view -> toolbars.





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Working with Word

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,

 

I’m looking for tips/tricks for working with Word. Are there any specific addons I should have? Also, are there specific hotkeys to navigate to and correct spelling and grammar errors? Any help is appreciated

 

Thanks,

 

Jan