Once again just getting started with NVDA after being a long term user
of Window Eyes. I have NVDA installed on a Win 10 system. Primary
uses are web surfing and Email. Have IE, Google Chrome and Firefox
installed and use Thunderbird as my Email client.
So now to the question, are there some must have addon's for best
performance and other addon's that are otherwise suggested?
Thanks

Hi,

It’s two different ways of accomplishing the same thing. Some would say using a variable is best for readability purposes (after all, Python community values readability above others), while majority of us would just encode the constant. Modern compilers will actually detect this and just put in the constant (which is way beyond the scope of this discussion). I usually prefer the second approach myself, knowing that this generates less Python bytecode instructions (for add-on code reviews, I sometimes overlook this, but in NVDA Core code review, this is considered important, mostly when it comes to coding style).

The following is mostly meant for resident add-on writers but it might be helpful for users to hear this as a side note (and yes, I’ll revisit this subject on the add-ons list later): you can in fact disassemble Python bytecode. If you want to do under the hood optimizations for your add-on code, it is crucial to know some internals of Python interpreter and how instructions are fetched and executed. This applies to any Python code that has a source code or not – yes, we can disassemble add-on code where there is no source code and reconstruct what you were trying to do. This should not be an excuse for you to bring an add-on with no source code to my office for review – I and other reviewers will ask you to present a copy of your source code before initiating add-on code reviews. In case of my reviews, I would quickly look at your code, provide some feedback and that’ll be all; if you do request a more detailed review, I’ll look at translatable strings, documentation, GUI routines, and do compatibility/integration check with NVDA Core and provide feedback as though I’m reviewing a module for NVDA screen reader itself.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

Hi all,

In this case, Gene is correct: although you may have told a different browser to open files, whichever program is associated with HTML files will be used (see my technical notes below).

For new users: those who were (or part of) BrailleNote users mailing list may recognize the below kind of note (I mention this as I see some familiar faces), only this time I can dive inside the lake instead of using crystal balls from old days (i.e. when in doubt, looking at NVDA source code is helpful sometimes).

Technical: there is a function in Python that’ll let you open whichever file you like. Internally, this is the function used by NVDA to open various documents, namely user guide, commands quick reference and others. The below code lets you do this:

import os

# Either you can spell out the path directly or use a variable.

os.startfile(path)

# In case of the English user guide on 64-bit Windows, it’ll open the following path:

os.startfile(“C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\Documentation\\en\\userGuide.html”)

The “os.startfile” function will invoke Windows API function that looks up file associations stored on the registry hive HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (HKCR), which then runs the program associated with the given file extension or protocol. You can override this on an individual extension/protocol basis (either from Control Panel or from Settings if you are using older versions of Windows or Windows 10, respectively).

In case of the NVDA user guide, the following steps are taken:

1.       NVDA notices you want to open the user guide.

2.       The “gui.getDocPath” function is called, which consults the current NVDA interface language and the name of the doc file you wish to open. If the documentation for your language isn’t there, it falls back to English. Surprisingly, this is the same step taken when opening add-on readme files.

3.       An event handler function is run when you select “User guide” from NVDA’s help menu, which runs “os.startfile” and opens the path that the previous function returns.

 

I guess the above notes could have been best served on the NVDA development list. But I wrote the above to show three things:

1.       We do have reps from NV Access here (Quentin, the author of the highly acclaimed NVDA basics tutorial), as well as NVDA developers who are more than happy to explain NVDA internals (at least two devs are here, including I (the one who brought ability to disable individual add-ons) and Derek Riemer (the one who worked on ability to hear indentations via tones).

2.       That NVDA ecosystem is vast – not just what you see, hear and read, but source code as well.

3.       There are lots more involved than Python and dialogs when it comes to talking about NVDA and its internals (and no, you cannot port NVDA to other operating systems (easily), and if you do, good luck).

A tip for those seeking to learn NVDA’s source code inside out: start by asking yourself, “how does NVDA commands work”. Perhaps you can start by reading global commands module where all you need to know about majority of NVDA commands are spelled out, including internals of title bar reading command, object navigation and others. As I stressed many times (including during a lecture series I led concerning writing your first ever NVDA app module this summer), grasping Python is a must.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I know. That was kind of the point that I was attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was, that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so that's good to know.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Dear All,

I am visually impaired and at very infant stages of understanding all the technical terms of computers.

Please can any one help as to how or if I can still upgrade to window 10 as I missed out the free upgrade.

I have an old Vista laptop and using NVDA Microsoft word, office 2003

I will greatly appreciate and look forward to any help

With kind regards Sakina

Once again just getting started with NVDA after being a long term user
of Window Eyes. I have NVDA installed on a Win 10 system. Primary uses
are web surfing and Email. Have IE, Google Chrome and Firefox installed
and use Thunderbird as my Email client.
So now to the question, are there some must have addon's for best
performance and other addon's that are otherwise suggested?
Thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 2:26 PM

Subject: Python internals, code reviews and use of variables: RE: [nvda] help menu

Hi,

It’s two different ways of accomplishing the same thing. Some would say using a variable is best for readability purposes (after all, Python community values readability above others), while majority of us would just encode the constant. Modern compilers will actually detect this and just put in the constant (which is way beyond the scope of this discussion). I usually prefer the second approach myself, knowing that this generates less Python bytecode instructions (for add-on code reviews, I sometimes overlook this, but in NVDA Core code review, this is considered important, mostly when it comes to coding style).

The following is mostly meant for resident add-on writers but it might be helpful for users to hear this as a side note (and yes, I’ll revisit this subject on the add-ons list later): you can in fact disassemble Python bytecode. If you want to do under the hood optimizations for your add-on code, it is crucial to know some internals of Python interpreter and how instructions are fetched and executed. This applies to any Python code that has a source code or not – yes, we can disassemble add-on code where there is no source code and reconstruct what you were trying to do. This should not be an excuse for you to bring an add-on with no source code to my office for review – I and other reviewers will ask you to present a copy of your source code before initiating add-on code reviews. In case of my reviews, I would quickly look at your code, provide some feedback and that’ll be all; if you do request a more detailed review, I’ll look at translatable strings, documentation, GUI routines, and do compatibility/integration check with NVDA Core and provide feedback as though I’m reviewing a module for NVDA screen reader itself.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

Why would you put the path to the file in a variable? That path never would change, would it? So, wouldn't you therefore want it in a constant?

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

Hi all,

In this case, Gene is correct: although you may have told a different browser to open files, whichever program is associated with HTML files will be used (see my technical notes below).

For new users: those who were (or part of) BrailleNote users mailing list may recognize the below kind of note (I mention this as I see some familiar faces), only this time I can dive inside the lake instead of using crystal balls from old days (i.e. when in doubt, looking at NVDA source code is helpful sometimes).

Technical: there is a function in Python that’ll let you open whichever file you like. Internally, this is the function used by NVDA to open various documents, namely user guide, commands quick reference and others. The below code lets you do this:

import os

# Either you can spell out the path directly or use a variable.

os.startfile(path)

# In case of the English user guide on 64-bit Windows, it’ll open the following path:

os.startfile(“C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\Documentation\\en\\userGuide.html”)

The “os.startfile” function will invoke Windows API function that looks up file associations stored on the registry hive HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (HKCR), which then runs the program associated with the given file extension or protocol. You can override this on an individual extension/protocol basis (either from Control Panel or from Settings if you are using older versions of Windows or Windows 10, respectively).

In case of the NVDA user guide, the following steps are taken:

1.       NVDA notices you want to open the user guide.

2.       The “gui.getDocPath” function is called, which consults the current NVDA interface language and the name of the doc file you wish to open. If the documentation for your language isn’t there, it falls back to English. Surprisingly, this is the same step taken when opening add-on readme files.

3.       An event handler function is run when you select “User guide” from NVDA’s help menu, which runs “os.startfile” and opens the path that the previous function returns.

 

I guess the above notes could have been best served on the NVDA development list. But I wrote the above to show three things:

1.       We do have reps from NV Access here (Quentin, the author of the highly acclaimed NVDA basics tutorial), as well as NVDA developers who are more than happy to explain NVDA internals (at least two devs are here, including I (the one who brought ability to disable individual add-ons) and Derek Riemer (the one who worked on ability to hear indentations via tones).

2.       That NVDA ecosystem is vast – not just what you see, hear and read, but source code as well.

3.       There are lots more involved than Python and dialogs when it comes to talking about NVDA and its internals (and no, you cannot port NVDA to other operating systems (easily), and if you do, good luck).

A tip for those seeking to learn NVDA’s source code inside out: start by asking yourself, “how does NVDA commands work”. Perhaps you can start by reading global commands module where all you need to know about majority of NVDA commands are spelled out, including internals of title bar reading command, object navigation and others. As I stressed many times (including during a lecture series I led concerning writing your first ever NVDA app module this summer), grasping Python is a must.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I know. That was kind of the point that I was attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was, that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so that's good to know.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

Hi all,

In this case, Gene is correct: although you may have told a different browser to open files, whichever program is associated with HTML files will be used (see my technical notes below).

For new users: those who were (or part of) BrailleNote users mailing list may recognize the below kind of note (I mention this as I see some familiar faces), only this time I can dive inside the lake instead of using crystal balls from old days (i.e. when in doubt, looking at NVDA source code is helpful sometimes).

Technical: there is a function in Python that’ll let you open whichever file you like. Internally, this is the function used by NVDA to open various documents, namely user guide, commands quick reference and others. The below code lets you do this:

import os

# Either you can spell out the path directly or use a variable.

os.startfile(path)

# In case of the English user guide on 64-bit Windows, it’ll open the following path:

os.startfile(“C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\Documentation\\en\\userGuide.html”)

The “os.startfile” function will invoke Windows API function that looks up file associations stored on the registry hive HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (HKCR), which then runs the program associated with the given file extension or protocol. You can override this on an individual extension/protocol basis (either from Control Panel or from Settings if you are using older versions of Windows or Windows 10, respectively).

In case of the NVDA user guide, the following steps are taken:

1.       NVDA notices you want to open the user guide.

2.       The “gui.getDocPath” function is called, which consults the current NVDA interface language and the name of the doc file you wish to open. If the documentation for your language isn’t there, it falls back to English. Surprisingly, this is the same step taken when opening add-on readme files.

3.       An event handler function is run when you select “User guide” from NVDA’s help menu, which runs “os.startfile” and opens the path that the previous function returns.

 

I guess the above notes could have been best served on the NVDA development list. But I wrote the above to show three things:

1.       We do have reps from NV Access here (Quentin, the author of the highly acclaimed NVDA basics tutorial), as well as NVDA developers who are more than happy to explain NVDA internals (at least two devs are here, including I (the one who brought ability to disable individual add-ons) and Derek Riemer (the one who worked on ability to hear indentations via tones).

2.       That NVDA ecosystem is vast – not just what you see, hear and read, but source code as well.

3.       There are lots more involved than Python and dialogs when it comes to talking about NVDA and its internals (and no, you cannot port NVDA to other operating systems (easily), and if you do, good luck).

A tip for those seeking to learn NVDA’s source code inside out: start by asking yourself, “how does NVDA commands work”. Perhaps you can start by reading global commands module where all you need to know about majority of NVDA commands are spelled out, including internals of title bar reading command, object navigation and others. As I stressed many times (including during a lecture series I led concerning writing your first ever NVDA app module this summer), grasping Python is a must.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I know. That was kind of the point that I was attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was, that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so that's good to know.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

I'm not sure why that is but one solution might be that once it opens,
copy the address from the address bar in Edge and then close Edge.
Open Internet Explorer, paste the address into Internet Explorer and
open the page there.
Then make a favorite so you can open it directly in Internet Explorer.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:57 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

Maybe I didn't make myself clear regarding the problem. When I open the
NVDA menu move down and expand the help menu and press enter on user
guide the guide opens in Edge. I have IE set as my default browser.

On 11/23/2016 10:48 AM, Gene wrote:

Does that solve the problem? I believe you were specifically asking
about how to get help for Internet Explorer in Internet Explorer. For
other programs where this happens, you should be able to open at least
the main help document from within the program. F1 often brings it up.
If not, look in the menus. When getting to know an unfamiliar program,
looking through the menus is often a good way to learn many things.

Gee

*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.

On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
Help documents still open in Edge.

On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:

1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter
4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
otherwise.
5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
Press Enter and close the app.

That's it!

On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>

wrote:

Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select
help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get

this

documentation in txt format?
Thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

Hi all,

In this case, Gene is correct: although you may have told a different browser to open files, whichever program is associated with HTML files will be used (see my technical notes below).

For new users: those who were (or part of) BrailleNote users mailing list may recognize the below kind of note (I mention this as I see some familiar faces), only this time I can dive inside the lake instead of using crystal balls from old days (i.e. when in doubt, looking at NVDA source code is helpful sometimes).

Technical: there is a function in Python that’ll let you open whichever file you like. Internally, this is the function used by NVDA to open various documents, namely user guide, commands quick reference and others. The below code lets you do this:

import os

# Either you can spell out the path directly or use a variable.

os.startfile(path)

# In case of the English user guide on 64-bit Windows, it’ll open the following path:

os.startfile(“C:\\Program Files (x86)\\NVDA\\Documentation\\en\\userGuide.html”)

The “os.startfile” function will invoke Windows API function that looks up file associations stored on the registry hive HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (HKCR), which then runs the program associated with the given file extension or protocol. You can override this on an individual extension/protocol basis (either from Control Panel or from Settings if you are using older versions of Windows or Windows 10, respectively).

In case of the NVDA user guide, the following steps are taken:

1.       NVDA notices you want to open the user guide.

2.       The “gui.getDocPath” function is called, which consults the current NVDA interface language and the name of the doc file you wish to open. If the documentation for your language isn’t there, it falls back to English. Surprisingly, this is the same step taken when opening add-on readme files.

3.       An event handler function is run when you select “User guide” from NVDA’s help menu, which runs “os.startfile” and opens the path that the previous function returns.

 

I guess the above notes could have been best served on the NVDA development list. But I wrote the above to show three things:

1.       We do have reps from NV Access here (Quentin, the author of the highly acclaimed NVDA basics tutorial), as well as NVDA developers who are more than happy to explain NVDA internals (at least two devs are here, including I (the one who brought ability to disable individual add-ons) and Derek Riemer (the one who worked on ability to hear indentations via tones).

2.       That NVDA ecosystem is vast – not just what you see, hear and read, but source code as well.

3.       There are lots more involved than Python and dialogs when it comes to talking about NVDA and its internals (and no, you cannot port NVDA to other operating systems (easily), and if you do, good luck).

A tip for those seeking to learn NVDA’s source code inside out: start by asking yourself, “how does NVDA commands work”. Perhaps you can start by reading global commands module where all you need to know about majority of NVDA commands are spelled out, including internals of title bar reading command, object navigation and others. As I stressed many times (including during a lecture series I led concerning writing your first ever NVDA app module this summer), grasping Python is a must.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 9:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I know. That was kind of the point that I was attempting to make. Joseph has said to open IE, then while open, try launching the quick commands help after first launching IE. What I was trying to say was, that didn't make sense, as I agree with what you're saying, Gene, that's not generally how file associations work. Alas, looks like Don got it resolved, so that's good to know.

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

 

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Phone: (704) 256-8010.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

 

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Brice,

If you're referring to the Commands Quick Reference then it
is in the install folder for NVDA under the documentation folder there
then under the language appropriate folder.

In my case that's C:\Program Files(x86)\NVDA\documentation\en

I put a shortcut to this folder on my desktop so that I have
quick access to its contents.
--
*/Brian/*

*/Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t./*

/ /~ Lauren Bacall

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

That isn't how file associations work.  If a browser is opened and another browser is the default, the default browser will open when a file type is clicked on that the browser is supposed to open. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Christopher-Mark Gilland

Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

I was gonna say. Wouldn't that just launch whatever browser in a new window
with that documentation? In this case, the user's guide? The behavior
symptoms Don's describing don't  surprise me. Is NVDA supposed to detect
what browser is opened ahead of time, hince why you said, open IE first,
then launch the guide?
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu


> Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the
> NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge
> not IE.
>
> On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then
>> select the item you want.
>> Cheers,
>> Joseph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu
>>
>> With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.
>>
>> On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu
>>>
>>> As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
>>> Help documents still open in Edge.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>>>> 1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
>>>> 2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
>>>> need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
>>>> 3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
>>>> Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
>>>> otherwise.
>>>> 5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
>>>> Press Enter and close the app.
>>>>
>>>> That's it!
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@... <mailto:lmddh50@...>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser.  When I select
>>>>> help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
>>>>> Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
>>>>> this documentation in txt format?
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Sure. K as in kilo and shift K as in kilo instead of l and shift l.

If you wanna move by visited links, that would be V as in victor, and shift

V as in victor.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

info@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] move by links

With Window Eyes when on a web page you can use the L key to move from
link to link on the page. Is there a way to do this with NVDA? Did not
see it on the shortcut list.
Thanks

Sorry if I follow your instructions and have IE open before opening the NVDA menu then select the user guide from the help menu it opens in Edge not IE.

On 11/23/2016 10:42 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
The corrected instruction is to go to IE, then open NVDA menu/help, then select the item you want.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] help menu

With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.

On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
Help documents still open in Edge.

On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:

1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter 4.
Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
otherwise.
5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
Press Enter and close the app.

That's it!

On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>

wrote:

Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select
help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get
this documentation in txt format?
Thanks

Maybe I didn't make myself clear regarding the problem. When I open the NVDA menu move down and expand the help menu and press enter on user guide the guide opens in Edge. I have IE set as my default browser.

On 11/23/2016 10:48 AM, Gene wrote:

Does that solve the problem? I believe you were specifically asking
about how to get help for Internet Explorer in Internet Explorer. For
other programs where this happens, you should be able to open at least
the main help document from within the program. F1 often brings it up.
If not, look in the menus. When getting to know an unfamiliar program,
looking through the menus is often a good way to learn many things.

Gee

*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

With IE open F1 brings up the IE help using IE.

On 11/23/2016 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

Open Internet Explorer and see what happens if you issue the command f1.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 10:05 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] help menu

As I said following your steps I have IE set as my default browser.
Help documents still open in Edge.

On 11/23/2016 9:58 AM, Andre Fisher wrote:

1. Press Windows key+I to go to the Settings app.
2. Depending on which version of Windows 10 you are using, you might
need to Tab till you hear System. Press Enter on it.
3. Use the Down Arrow until you hear Default Apps. Press Enter
4. Press Tab continuously till you hear Web browser: Microsoft Edge or
otherwise.
5. Press Enter and Tab to Internet Explorer.
Press Enter and close the app.

That's it!

On 11/23/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>

wrote:

Running Win 10 and have IE set as my default browser. When I select
help within the NVDA menu it opens the help documentation in MS Edge.
Is there a way to get it to open within IE or is there a way to get this
documentation in txt format?
Thanks