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Re: a few questions
Arlene
You could. The only thing is. They'll both talk at once. You'll have a
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talking din. NVDA will walk you through installation. Just as other screen readers do. Once NvDA starts talking you through installation. Then shut jaws down. if you want Crome then NVDA will be your best bet. Not sure if the latest jaws will do it. since I have jaws 14. It doesn't. I know NVDA will do crone.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: November-22-16 6:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [Nvda] a few questions Thanks to those of you who provided some answers and I have two questions not exactly related to two screen readers. For Internet Explorer, I am curios troy know if you prefer Jaws or NVDEA to use for this program?? This is in regard to installation of NVDA after downloading the software program. Can I leave Jaws on to start to install NVDA program? And for one to install NVDA and set it up does the person need to see or hear to set this up? When I got my new laptop, someone had to install Jaws for me because I could not see or hear. But I am able to upgrade to new versions myself. Thanks with cheers! Jeff
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FW: NVDA & Windows Live Mail?
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Please reply to this person directly if you actually use WLM and can reproduce the problem below. Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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From: Jeff Harrington [mailto:harrington@earlebaum.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:57 PM To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com Subject: NVDA & Windows Live Mail? Hello Joseph. Had a question that I am hoping you can help me with. I am running the latest version of NVDA with the latest version of Windows Live Mail. NVDA has the graphics labeled, so you know when the Email message has an attachment. I have requested that from VFO?Freedom Scientific for the past several years, and they keep promising to do that but it never happens. Anyway onto my question. I think NVDA could be a really good choice for many of my students, but I am running into an issue when composing, replying to or forwarding messages... When I get to the Message body field, NVDA does not read what I have typed & I can not navigate through what I have typed. Do you know if there is a setting in Windows Live Mail that needs to be changed, so that NVDA will read in the Message Body Field? Let me know if there is a list or some other place I can post this question. Thank you so much for your insights & contribution to helping those with sight loss. Jeff Jeff Harrington, OTR/L Manager, Technology Services Earle Baum Center of the Blind (707) 523-7833 www.earlebaum.org
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Re: a few questions
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Chrome is the only browser I use, not being a fan of the massive amount of cpu and memory firefox tends to use. Only having 4GB, I try hard to keep cpu/memory usage down, so firefox isn't really an option for me, since I tend to keep several windows open (thunderbird, command prompt, chrome, winrar, and that's before doing anything else on the machine.
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I like chrome, because it's much lighter on both memory and cpu, though I don't like that it opens a whole new copy of chrome when I open a second site, I'd prefer something more akin to the way safari handles web sites, where it just opens another window, but still uses the same executable. Otherwise, I have very few issues with chrome and NVDA.
On 11/22/2016 9:06 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote:
Yes, I do have certain sites that I visit a lot. I have not used Chrome much, but it sounds like it works better you nvda.
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Re: a few questions
Quentin Christensen
Hi Jeff, Re installing NVDA. As soon as you run the setup file, it plays a sound to let you know it is starting, then it loads a temporary copy of NVDA (which uses the default eSpeak NG voice etc) and talks you through the install. You certainly could have Jaws running in order to download and launch the NVDA setup file and then exit Jaws as NVDA will talk you through the rest of the install. As someone else mentioned in this, or another thread this morning, you can have Jaws and NVDA both installed on the one computer, but I wouldn't run them both at once, as aside from anything else, they will both read much of the same information over the top of each other. Jim, that's handy to know about Salesforce, thanks! Regards Quentin.
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Re: a few questions
Jim Pipczak
Hi Kelsey,
Salesforce is designed differently for each company, however, Salesforce works through a browser like Chrome or Firefox so there shouldn’t be too many problems.
Thanks, Jim
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions
Hi Kelsey,
Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer. I haven't tried it myself. If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems. If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.
Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA. There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Re: a few questions
Jeffrey Bohrman <jeffrey.bohrman@...>
Thanks to those of you who provided some answers and I have two questions
not exactly related to two screen readers. For Internet Explorer, I am curios troy know if you prefer Jaws or NVDEA to use for this program?? This is in regard to installation of NVDA after downloading the software program. Can I leave Jaws on to start to install NVDA program? And for one to install NVDA and set it up does the person need to see or hear to set this up? When I got my new laptop, someone had to install Jaws for me because I could not see or hear. But I am able to upgrade to new versions myself. Thanks with cheers! Jeff
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Re: a few questions
Gene
Some browsers work better with screen-readers on
some sites and some on others. You may use certain sites that work better
in Internet Explorer but I've seen many sites that are faster and more
responsibe in Firefox. I've seen more of these than the
other.
but demanding blind Internet users use more than
one browser.
Gene
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What's interesting is the same website will load fine in Internet Explorer. And the bug only affects certain websites in Firefox.
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Re: a few questions
Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
Hi Gene,
What's interesting is the same website will load fine in Internet Explorer. And the bug only affects certain websites in Firefox.
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Re: NVDA & Jaws
Bob J
I am one of the many who have more than one
screen-reading software installed on my computer.
As others have mentioned, the biggest advantage to
having more than one screen reader is that the free one sometimes lacks
capabilities that the expensive one provides.
One major problem that I have experienced when
switching from the free one to the expensive one is I have become so accustomed
to using the keystroke for checking the current time on the free one that I
automatically use that keystroke while using the expensive one and, in I E11,
that is a huge mistake.
Some key strokes are the same on multiple screen
readers, some that are not won't get you in trouble if used inappropriately but
some are radically different in their results.
Bob
Messages you saw on the other list may not have
expressed the point clearly. A lot of people have more than one
screen-reader on their computer but they use one at a time.
Gene
One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help. Rosemarie -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws Hello All! I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time. On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though. And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same time? Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this list. Have a swell evening! Jeff :-)
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Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
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Check under the document settings menu in NVDA. to quickly get there use the nvda key + the ctrl key + the letter D Then it is a matter of tabbing down until you hear nvda say something like the reporting of tables and uncheck it with the space bar. The above shortcut is a desk top one not sure if it is the same for a lap top. you can also setup a profile for certain times when you want it heard and when you do not. gene nz
On 23/11/2016 11:39 AM, Don H wrote:
I am a newbee with NVDA. When on a web page NVDA reads all the table
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Re: a few questions
Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
Yes, I do have certain sites that I visit a lot. I have not used Chrome much, but it sounds like it works better you nvda.
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Re: a few questions
Gene
You may want to try NVDA and I don't know what
options you may have at work. Can you get your IT department to put the
old version of JAWS back on your machine? You can have as many older
versions of JAWS on your machine as you like. Indeed, your IT department
should not remove the old version until you evaluate a new version to see if you
will continue to want or need to use the old one. Home users of JAWS who
are knowledgeable enough to know this routinely leave at least one older version
on their machine while they evaluate the new version. If the new version
is unsatisfactory, they continue to use the old version completely or they use
it in circumstances where it performs better.
Gene
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I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an option. It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to do my research. Luckily the website loads fine with Internet Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not work well with Salesforce. I am hoping nvda will be better.
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Re: a few questions
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Quentin,
I found that NVDA was kind of sluggish with firefox. I'm not sure if it was an NVDA issue, a firefox issue or just my machine. I'm hoping the problem will be fixed in NVDA 2016.4.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Kelsey,
I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer. NVDA works very well with Firefox. Our support for Chrome is quite good also. If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another.
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
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Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Re: NVDA & Jaws
Gene
Messages you saw on the other list may not have
expressed the point clearly. A lot of people have more than one
screen-reader on their computer but they use one at a time.
Gene
One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help. Rosemarie -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws Hello All! I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time. On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though. And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same time? Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this list. Have a swell evening! Jeff :-)
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Re: a few questions
Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
Hi Quinten,
I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an option. It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to do my research. Luckily the website loads fine with Internet Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not work well with Salesforce. I am hoping nvda will be better.
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Re: a few questions
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Kelsey,
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I don't know the answers to your first two questions but NVDA is kind of sluggish with firefox now. I understand it works well with chrome and it does work well with internet explorer. Years ago when NVDA first came out, you had to use it with firefox but now it works well with IE. Hope this helps somewhat. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelsey Nicolay Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:53 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] a few questions Hello, I am new to this group and nvda. I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda. However, I have a few questions. First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch. Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40. What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work. Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser. Thank you, Kelsey Nicolay
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Re: NVDA & Jaws
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Jeff,
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One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help. Rosemarie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws Hello All! I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time. On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though. And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same time? Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this list. Have a swell evening! Jeff :-)
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Re: a few questions
Quentin Christensen
Kelsey, I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer. NVDA works very well with Firefox. Our support for Chrome is quite good also. If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another. Regards Quentin.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
--
Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: a few questions
Quentin Christensen
Hi Kelsey, Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer. I haven't tried it myself. If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems. If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC. Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA. There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109 Kind regards Quentin.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote: Hello, --
Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Direct: +61 413 904 383 www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: NVDA & Jaws
Arlene
Hi, I have both NVDA. Also Jaws 14 on my windows 7 system. I don't have
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them running at once. You can have both NVDA and Jaws on your computer if you want. I have the latest version of NVDA. If you want Jaws to start on your computer. Then set Jaws to run first. If you don't want NVDA to start then if you have it launched. When you launch NVDA If you don't want it to start when windows starts. Don't allow it. If you don't want Jaws to start when windows starts. Then go to jaws settings and have it not run first. If you wan to run NVDA then close Jaws down. Vice versa. I use NVDA for facebook. I find it responds quicker then Jaws.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bohrman Sent: November-22-16 4:06 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws Hello All! I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time. On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though. And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same time? Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this list. Have a swell evening! Jeff :-)
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