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Re: a few questions

Arlene
 

You could. The only thing is. They'll both talk at once. You'll have a
talking din. NVDA will walk you through installation. Just as other screen
readers do. Once NvDA starts talking you through installation. Then shut
jaws down. if you want Crome then NVDA will be your best bet. Not sure if
the latest jaws will do it. since I have jaws 14. It doesn't. I know NVDA
will do crone.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: November-22-16 6:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Nvda] a few questions

Thanks to those of you who provided some answers and I have two questions
not exactly related to two screen readers.

For Internet Explorer, I am curios troy know if you prefer Jaws or NVDEA to
use for this program??

This is in regard to installation of NVDA after downloading the software
program. Can I leave Jaws on to start to install NVDA program? And for one
to install NVDA and set it up does the person need to see or hear to set
this up? When I got my new laptop, someone had to install Jaws for me
because I could not see or hear. But I am able to upgrade to new versions
myself.

Thanks with cheers!

Jeff


FW: NVDA & Windows Live Mail?

 

Hi,
Please reply to this person directly if you actually use WLM and can
reproduce the problem below. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Harrington [mailto:harrington@earlebaum.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:57 PM
To: joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
Subject: NVDA & Windows Live Mail?

Hello Joseph. Had a question that I am hoping you can help me with. I am
running the latest version of NVDA with the latest version of Windows Live
Mail. NVDA has the graphics labeled, so you know when the Email message has
an attachment. I have requested that from VFO?Freedom Scientific for the
past several years, and they keep promising to do that but it never happens.

Anyway onto my question. I think NVDA could be a really good choice for
many of my students, but I am running into an issue when composing, replying
to or forwarding messages...

When I get to the Message body field, NVDA does not read what I have typed &
I can not navigate through what I have typed. Do you know if there is a
setting in Windows Live Mail that needs to be changed, so that NVDA will
read in the Message Body Field?

Let me know if there is a list or some other place I can post this question.

Thank you so much for your insights & contribution to helping those with
sight loss.

Jeff




Jeff Harrington, OTR/L
Manager, Technology Services
Earle Baum Center of the Blind
(707) 523-7833
www.earlebaum.org


Re: a few questions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Chrome is the only browser I use, not being a fan of the massive amount of cpu and memory firefox tends to use. Only having 4GB, I try hard to keep cpu/memory usage down, so firefox isn't really an option for me, since I tend to keep several windows open (thunderbird, command prompt, chrome, winrar, and that's before doing anything else on the machine.

I like chrome, because it's much lighter on both memory and cpu, though I don't like that it opens a whole new copy of chrome when I open a second site, I'd prefer something more akin to the way safari handles web sites, where it just opens another window, but still uses the same executable. Otherwise, I have very few issues with chrome and NVDA.

On 11/22/2016 9:06 PM, Kelsey Nicolay wrote:
Yes, I do have certain sites that I visit a lot. I have not used Chrome much, but it sounds like it works better you nvda.


Re: a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jeff,

Re installing NVDA.  As soon as you run the setup file, it plays a sound to let you know it is starting, then it loads a temporary copy of NVDA (which uses the default eSpeak NG voice etc) and talks you through the install.  You certainly could have Jaws running in order to download and launch the NVDA setup file and then exit Jaws as NVDA will talk you through the rest of the install.

As someone else mentioned in this, or another thread this morning, you can have Jaws and NVDA both installed on the one computer, but I wouldn't run them both at once, as aside from anything else, they will both read much of the same information over the top of each other.

Jim, that's handy to know about Salesforce, thanks!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Jeffrey Bohrman <jeffrey.bohrman@...> wrote:
Thanks to those of you who provided some answers and I have two questions
not exactly related to two screen readers.

For Internet Explorer, I am curios troy know if you prefer Jaws or NVDEA
to use for this program??

This is in regard to installation of NVDA after downloading the software
program.  Can I leave Jaws on to start to install NVDA program?  And for
one to install NVDA and set it up does the person need to see or hear to
set this up?  When I got my new laptop, someone had to install Jaws for
me because I could not see or hear.  But I am able to upgrade to new
versions myself.

Thanks with cheers!

Jeff






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: a few questions

Jim Pipczak
 

Hi Kelsey,

 

Salesforce is designed differently for each company, however, Salesforce works through a browser like Chrome or Firefox so there shouldn’t be too many problems.

 

Thanks,

Jim

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

 

Hi Kelsey,

 

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

 

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay




 

--

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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: a few questions

Jeffrey Bohrman <jeffrey.bohrman@...>
 

Thanks to those of you who provided some answers and I have two questions
not exactly related to two screen readers.

For Internet Explorer, I am curios troy know if you prefer Jaws or NVDEA
to use for this program??

This is in regard to installation of NVDA after downloading the software
program. Can I leave Jaws on to start to install NVDA program? And for
one to install NVDA and set it up does the person need to see or hear to
set this up? When I got my new laptop, someone had to install Jaws for
me because I could not see or hear. But I am able to upgrade to new
versions myself.

Thanks with cheers!

Jeff


Re: a few questions

Gene
 

Some browsers work better with screen-readers on some sites and some on others.  You may use certain sites that work better in Internet Explorer but I've seen many sites that are faster and more responsibe in Firefox.  I've seen more of these than the other.
 
but demanding blind Internet users use more than one browser.
Gene
----- Original Message

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

Hi Gene,
What's interesting is the same website will load fine in Internet
Explorer.  And the bug only affects certain websites in Firefox.



Re: a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Hi Gene,
What's interesting is the same website will load fine in Internet Explorer. And the bug only affects certain websites in Firefox.


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Bob J
 

I am one of the many who have more than one screen-reading software installed on my computer.
 
As others have mentioned, the biggest advantage to having more than one screen reader is that the free one sometimes lacks capabilities that the expensive one provides.
 
One major problem that I have experienced when switching from the free one to the expensive one is I have become so accustomed to using the keystroke for checking the current time on the free one that I automatically use that keystroke while using the expensive one and, in I E11, that is a huge mistake.
 
Some key strokes are the same on multiple screen readers, some that are not won't get you in trouble if used inappropriately but some are radically different in their results.
 
Bob
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Messages you saw on the other list may not have expressed the point clearly.  A lot of people have more than one screen-reader on their computer but they use one at a time.
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hi, Jeff,

One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if
you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA
might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to
fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so
I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together".  I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time.  I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)








Re: virbosity

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Check under the document settings menu in NVDA. to quickly get there use
the nvda key + the ctrl key + the letter D


Then it is a matter of tabbing down until you hear nvda say something
like the reporting of tables and uncheck it with the space bar.


The above shortcut is a desk top one not sure if it is the same for a
lap top.



you can also setup a profile for certain times when you want it heard
and when you do not.


gene nz

On 23/11/2016 11:39 AM, Don H wrote:
I am a newbee with NVDA. When on a web page NVDA reads all the table
info such as colums, in and out of a table and such. Is there a way
to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks



Re: a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Yes, I do have certain sites that I visit a lot. I have not used Chrome much, but it sounds like it works better you nvda.


Re: a few questions

Gene
 

You may want to try NVDA and I don't know what options you may have at work.  Can you get your IT department to put the old version of JAWS back on your machine?  You can have as many older versions of JAWS on your machine as you like.  Indeed, your IT department should not remove the old version until you evaluate a new version to see if you will continue to want or need to use the old one.  Home users of JAWS who are knowledgeable enough to know this routinely leave at least one older version on their machine while they evaluate the new version.  If the new version is unsatisfactory, they continue to use the old version completely or they use it in circumstances where it performs better.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

Hi Quinten,
I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an
option.  It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update
has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. 
Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to
do my research.  Luckily  the website loads fine with Internet
Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not
work well with Salesforce.  I am hoping nvda will be better.



Re: a few questions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I found that NVDA was kind of sluggish with firefox. I'm not sure if it was an NVDA issue, a firefox issue or just my machine. I'm hoping the problem will be fixed in NVDA 2016.4.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a few questions

 

Kelsey,

 

I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer.  NVDA works very well with Firefox.  Our support for Chrome is quite good also.  If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Kelsey,

 

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

 

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Gene
 

Messages you saw on the other list may not have expressed the point clearly.  A lot of people have more than one screen-reader on their computer but they use one at a time.
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hi, Jeff,

One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if
you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA
might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to
fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so
I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together".  I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time.  I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)








Re: a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Hi Quinten,
I plan to talk with my hr manager about switching to nvda as an option. It's not that I don't like JAWS, but the latest update has made it very buggy on some sites chsing Firefox. Unfortunately one of them is a site that I have to visit often to do my research. Luckily the website loads fine with Internet Explorer, but I'm not a fan of that browser since it does not work well with Salesforce. I am hoping nvda will be better.


Re: a few questions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Kelsey,

I don't know the answers to your first two questions but NVDA is kind of
sluggish with firefox now. I understand it works well with chrome and it
does work well with internet explorer. Years ago when NVDA first came out,
you had to use it with firefox but now it works well with IE.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kelsey
Nicolay
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a few questions

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda. I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking
about making the switch to nvda. However, I have a few questions. First,
does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have
not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to
make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch. Second,
I use a Brailliant Bi 40. What would be involved in getting that set up to
work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work,
but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my
personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work. Therefore, would someone
who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and
show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does
nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but
Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jeff,

One of the advantages of having two screen readers is for instance, if
you're trying to do something on the internet like filling out a form, NVDA
might not be able to handle a form field where Jaws can. One time I tried to
fill out a survey for Hadley School and NVDA couldn't see all the fields so
I ended up using system access to go and that was a huge help.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)


Re: a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Kelsey,

I realised you also asked about web browsers which I forgot to answer.  NVDA works very well with Firefox.  Our support for Chrome is quite good also.  If you have a handful of sites you use regularly at work, it would be worth trying them just to be sure - some sites just work better in one browser than another.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Kelsey,

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: a few questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Kelsey,

Someone asked about Salesforce recently, and I don't recall seeing an answer.  I haven't tried it myself.  If you have access to it already, you can try NVDA with it and see if you run into any problems.  If you are concerned about installing NVDA at work, you can run a portable copy off a USB, or even directly from the setup file without needing to install anything on the PC.

Now the Brailliant should work fine with NVDA.  There is a note about setting it up and using it in the User Guide with a bit more info: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#toc109

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...> wrote:
Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda.  I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda.  However, I have a few questions.  First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch.  Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40.  What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work.  Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Jaws

Arlene
 

Hi, I have both NVDA. Also Jaws 14 on my windows 7 system. I don't have
them running at once. You can have both NVDA and Jaws on your computer if
you want. I have the latest version of NVDA. If you want Jaws to start on
your computer. Then set Jaws to run first. If you don't want NVDA to start
then if you have it launched. When you launch NVDA If you don't want it to
start when windows starts. Don't allow it. If you don't want Jaws to start
when windows starts. Then go to jaws settings and have it not run first. If
you wan to run NVDA then close Jaws down. Vice versa. I use NVDA for
facebook. I find it responds quicker then Jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Bohrman
Sent: November-22-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Jaws

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my system
as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two depending
on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the same
time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)