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NVDA & Jaws

Jeffrey Bohrman <jeffrey.bohrman@...>
 

Hello All!

I am the brand new kid on the block and I do not yet have NVDA in my
system as yet but have wanted to do this for some time.

On a list that I am no longer on, several people said that they Have Jaws
and Nvda working "together". I think they switch between the two
depending on the need or are they are on at the same time. I am not sure
though.

And, what is the benefit of having both screen readers in force at the
same time?

Thank you and I simply look forward to meeting many of you through this
list.

Have a swell evening!

Jeff :-)


a few questions

Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299@...>
 

Hello,
I am new to this group and nvda. I am a JAWS user now, but I am thinking about making the switch to nvda. However, I have a few questions. First, does anyone know whether nvda works with Salesforce? JAWS does, but I have not found anything that says whether nvda will work or not and I want to make sure nvda will work with Salesforce before I make the switch. Second, I use a Brailliant Bi 40. What would be involved in getting that set up to work with nvda? The usb driver is already installed on my computer at work, but I would like to try to set up my Brailliant for use with nvda on my personal laptop before I attempt to do it at work. Therefore, would someone who uses a Brailliant be willing to walk me through the setup process and show me how to use the display with nvda? Finally, which web browsers does nvda work well with? Currently my default at work is set to Firefox, but Chrome is their preferred browser.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


Re: changing my name in the outlook address book

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I ended up calling the Microsoft disability line and they helped me with this problem. Thanks very much for trying to help though.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing my name in the outlook address book

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 08:59 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried the steps and they didn't work. I have outlook 2013 so the steps are probably diffferent. What could I be doing wrong?

 Rosemarie,

             To be honest I have no idea what you might be doing wrong (if anything) or if there's been some change to the interface in Outlook 2013.  The account management has been done from the File Tab/Menu via the Account Information & Account Settings.

              I come up with these step-by-steps by doing, and this works under Outlook 2010 and the general layout of account management in Outlook had been very similar for a very long time up through Outlook 2010 and I made the presumption, perhaps incorrect, that they'd stay the same under Outlook 2013.  I'd have to see what comes up when doing this task under Outlook 2013 to determine what's different.  I don't have easy access to Outlook 2013.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Re: changing my name in the outlook address book

 

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 08:59 am, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I tried the steps and they didn't work. I have outlook 2013 so the steps are probably diffferent. What could I be doing wrong?

 Rosemarie,

             To be honest I have no idea what you might be doing wrong (if anything) or if there's been some change to the interface in Outlook 2013.  The account management has been done from the File Tab/Menu via the Account Information & Account Settings.

              I come up with these step-by-steps by doing, and this works under Outlook 2010 and the general layout of account management in Outlook had been very similar for a very long time up through Outlook 2010 and I made the presumption, perhaps incorrect, that they'd stay the same under Outlook 2013.  I'd have to see what comes up when doing this task under Outlook 2013 to determine what's different.  I don't have easy access to Outlook 2013.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: virbosity

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Don,

NVDA has a document formatting dialog - NVDA+control+d or open the NVDA menu (NVDA+n) then preferences, then document formatting.  On the document formatting dialog, you can set what information gets read automatically, from changes in font name or size, to the number of columns in a table.  If you turn off any of these, for instance if you turn off all the table information, then NVDA won't necessarily announce when it gets to a table, but the commands to move around or between tables will still work.

On the flip side, the keyboard dialog - NVDA+control+d or from the preferences menu, allows you to control what NVDA reads out while you press keys.  Some of these have their own keystrokes, for instance NVDA+2 to turn speak typed characters on or off and NVDA+3 to toggle speak typed words.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I am a newbee with NVDA.  When on a web page NVDA reads all the table info such as colums, in and out of a table and such.  Is there a way to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks






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virbosity

Don H
 

I am a newbee with NVDA. When on a web page NVDA reads all the table info such as colums, in and out of a table and such. Is there a way to limit the reading of this info?
Thanks


Re: command needed

Gene
 

I should clarify and correct something in my last message.  I said that if you use insert b in Windows Live Mail, that you will hear a lot of additional information.  That is true if you are using the old menu version of the program.  In the newer ribbon version, you will hear a little bit of additional information but not much. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks Gene.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 5:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed
 
Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Gene
 
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed
 

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gene
 

Read the screen is numpad insert or the main keyboard insert b.  That does about the same thing as control shift w in Window-eyes.  Because of NVDA reading what are called objects when you issue this command, at times, you may get more information than you got with Window-eyes using the command.  If, for example, you use Windows Live Mail, you will hear a lot of buttons read that you never heard before.  The rest of th4e information will be read as well but oit's interesting and useful to get this extra information at times.  I won't go into how this information might be acted on in terms of using commands to move to it and activate controls; that involves concepts you will have to learn things like screen navigation with the review keys for but the point is that at times, the information you hear will be more inclusive than what you heard in Window-eyes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Thank you all for letting me know the command.  Thanks again.
 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed
 
Hi All,
 
I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Gene,
 
yes, that will do it.  Thanks,
 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 2:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] command needed
 

Hi

 

You do not mean like the nvda key + the letter B

 

That key combo will read every thing on the screen from top to bottom.

 

Not sure if you mean this one? what is it meant to do?

 

Gene nz

 


On 23/11/2016 8:32 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: third party rss readers

 

In that case, you could mix the RSS feeds by using services like RSS mix or feed informer. although, feed informer is not for the technologically challenged.


Re: command needed

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Hold down the nvda key and press the letter B.
 
George
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 1:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] command needed
 
Hi All,
 
I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Rui Fontes
 

Insert+B?
Reads all the window...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Rosemarie Chavarria
Data: 22 de novembro de 2016 19:43
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] command needed



The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed







Hi All,







I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen? Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: third party rss readers

Christopher Bartlett
 

I subscribe to well over 100 rss feeds.  I do not wish to have to check each feed manually when they vary so much in frequency of posting, from feeds that post many articles a day to those that post irregularly.  I want all the articles aggregated into one chronological list, or at least one list, so I don't have to cursor down through a bajillion feeds.

On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You may see things in order in the feeds you monitor.  I have only used the reader on New York Times feeds and they are not in order.  This same problem is what is being complained about in the message you are responding to.  perhaps the reader looks for a certain format when determining how to organize feeds.  If so, and if The New York Times doesn't follow this format, its fair to assume that many other feeds don't follow it either.  therefore, it may well be that many feeds aren't presented in proper order, though some or many others may be.  But this appears to be a serious problem concerning this reader. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] third party rss readers

I am not sure what the issue is as you describe it but I may just not understand.
As I say when I open RSS Newsreader I cursor down to the feed I want to look at. I then hit Control R, this then automatically opens up a list of updated articles arranged chronologically with the newest article at the top of the list.  My experience is that there is no delay in opening the feed using this method. The number of articles displayed appeared  to vary according to the feed properties. Sometimes the latest 10 are shown whilst with other feeds more articles are loaded.
The Player does not automatically refresh but then as you in effect manually refress every time you look at a feed this does not in practice matter at all.

By the way the address for the webbie suite is, I am fairly sure
www.webbie.org.uk



David Griffith

David Griffithit
On 21/11/2016 03:26, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
In an ideal world for me, the feed would simply show me all new articles in chronological order, rather than my having to check each feed individually.  When last I tried the accessible rss client, I couldn't do this.


On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:43 PM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

Okay, I remember you gave information on this Webbie suite but I can’t find it at the moment. I have been looking for a good replacement for both (one to do both or one for each) text/article feeds and podcasts. My paid for Qfeed just crashed yesterday and I can’t get it back.

Also, I am currently using gpodder for my audio and video podcasts but it is not accessible with NVDA so I have to use it with vision.

 

My main concerns for rss aggregators is that I can hide individual episodes that have been read/played and only show new episodes/articles.

 

Cindy

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] third party rss readers

 

Personally I am very happy with the RSS Reader Program provided free along with the other Webbie Accessible Suite of Programs.

 

There has been a recent slight tsimplification of the program to improve stability where I understand automatic Feed Refresh after the program has been loaded has been removed.

 

I do not personally find this a problem as all I do is cursor down my list of available feeds. I then hit control R which not only refreshes the feed rapidly but also open up the table of available articles in the feed automatically. then  I just  press enter on the Feed article and it will load in your browser.

Press escape in the article list and you will go back to the feed list.

Very simple but it works great.

 

I paid for the QFeed program from Accessible Apps but to be honest this Free program is far far more stable and fast at loading. RSS Reader has never crashed on me whilst this was a frequent problem with QFeed.  Also the support from Alasdair King is good whilst the support on problems with the paid for QFeed is non-existent.

 

 

David Griffith

 

20/11/2016 12:47, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

Has anyone found a desktop rss reader that works well with NVDA?  I'm currently using goread.io, which is a distinctly dissatisfactory service.



--

Christopher Bartlett

 




--
Christopher Bartlett




--
Christopher Bartlett


Re: command needed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

The only NVDA command I know of is insert numpad 7. That takes you to screen review and document review. Other than that, I don't know of any other commands.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] command needed

 

Hi All,

 

I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: command needed

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


You do not mean like the nvda key + the letter B


That key combo will read every thing on the screen from top to bottom.


Not sure if you mean this one? what is it meant to do?


Gene nz



On 23/11/2016 8:32 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


command needed

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi All,
 
I would like to know if there is a command in nvda that can read the screen?  Window eyes has such a command it is control shift w.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: third party rss readers

Gene
 

You may see things in order in the feeds you monitor.  I have only used the reader on New York Times feeds and they are not in order.  This same problem is what is being complained about in the message you are responding to.  perhaps the reader looks for a certain format when determining how to organize feeds.  If so, and if The New York Times doesn't follow this format, its fair to assume that many other feeds don't follow it either.  therefore, it may well be that many feeds aren't presented in proper order, though some or many others may be.  But this appears to be a serious problem concerning this reader. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] third party rss readers

I am not sure what the issue is as you describe it but I may just not understand.
As I say when I open RSS Newsreader I cursor down to the feed I want to look at. I then hit Control R, this then automatically opens up a list of updated articles arranged chronologically with the newest article at the top of the list.  My experience is that there is no delay in opening the feed using this method. The number of articles displayed appeared  to vary according to the feed properties. Sometimes the latest 10 are shown whilst with other feeds more articles are loaded.
The Player does not automatically refresh but then as you in effect manually refress every time you look at a feed this does not in practice matter at all.

By the way the address for the webbie suite is, I am fairly sure
www.webbie.org.uk



David Griffith

David Griffithit
On 21/11/2016 03:26, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
In an ideal world for me, the feed would simply show me all new articles in chronological order, rather than my having to check each feed individually.  When last I tried the accessible rss client, I couldn't do this.


On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:43 PM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

Okay, I remember you gave information on this Webbie suite but I can’t find it at the moment. I have been looking for a good replacement for both (one to do both or one for each) text/article feeds and podcasts. My paid for Qfeed just crashed yesterday and I can’t get it back.

Also, I am currently using gpodder for my audio and video podcasts but it is not accessible with NVDA so I have to use it with vision.

 

My main concerns for rss aggregators is that I can hide individual episodes that have been read/played and only show new episodes/articles.

 

Cindy

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] third party rss readers

 

Personally I am very happy with the RSS Reader Program provided free along with the other Webbie Accessible Suite of Programs.

 

There has been a recent slight tsimplification of the program to improve stability where I understand automatic Feed Refresh after the program has been loaded has been removed.

 

I do not personally find this a problem as all I do is cursor down my list of available feeds. I then hit control R which not only refreshes the feed rapidly but also open up the table of available articles in the feed automatically. then  I just  press enter on the Feed article and it will load in your browser.

Press escape in the article list and you will go back to the feed list.

Very simple but it works great.

 

I paid for the QFeed program from Accessible Apps but to be honest this Free program is far far more stable and fast at loading. RSS Reader has never crashed on me whilst this was a frequent problem with QFeed.  Also the support from Alasdair King is good whilst the support on problems with the paid for QFeed is non-existent.

 

 

David Griffith

 

20/11/2016 12:47, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

Has anyone found a desktop rss reader that works well with NVDA?  I'm currently using goread.io, which is a distinctly dissatisfactory service.



--

Christopher Bartlett

 




--
Christopher Bartlett


Re: third party rss readers

David Griffith
 

I am not sure what the issue is as you describe it but I may just not understand.
As I say when I open RSS Newsreader I cursor down to the feed I want to look at. I then hit Control R, this then automatically opens up a list of updated articles arranged chronologically with the newest article at the top of the list.  My experience is that there is no delay in opening the feed using this method. The number of articles displayed appeared  to vary according to the feed properties. Sometimes the latest 10 are shown whilst with other feeds more articles are loaded.
The Player does not automatically refresh but then as you in effect manually refress every time you look at a feed this does not in practice matter at all.

By the way the address for the webbie suite is, I am fairly sure
www.webbie.org.uk



David Griffith

David Griffithit

On 21/11/2016 03:26, Christopher Bartlett wrote:
In an ideal world for me, the feed would simply show me all new articles in chronological order, rather than my having to check each feed individually.  When last I tried the accessible rss client, I couldn't do this.


On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:43 PM, slery <slerythema@...> wrote:

Okay, I remember you gave information on this Webbie suite but I can’t find it at the moment. I have been looking for a good replacement for both (one to do both or one for each) text/article feeds and podcasts. My paid for Qfeed just crashed yesterday and I can’t get it back.

Also, I am currently using gpodder for my audio and video podcasts but it is not accessible with NVDA so I have to use it with vision.

 

My main concerns for rss aggregators is that I can hide individual episodes that have been read/played and only show new episodes/articles.

 

Cindy

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] third party rss readers

 

Personally I am very happy with the RSS Reader Program provided free along with the other Webbie Accessible Suite of Programs.

 

There has been a recent slight tsimplification of the program to improve stability where I understand automatic Feed Refresh after the program has been loaded has been removed.

 

I do not personally find this a problem as all I do is cursor down my list of available feeds. I then hit control R which not only refreshes the feed rapidly but also open up the table of available articles in the feed automatically. then  I just  press enter on the Feed article and it will load in your browser.

Press escape in the article list and you will go back to the feed list.

Very simple but it works great.

 

I paid for the QFeed program from Accessible Apps but to be honest this Free program is far far more stable and fast at loading. RSS Reader has never crashed on me whilst this was a frequent problem with QFeed.  Also the support from Alasdair King is good whilst the support on problems with the paid for QFeed is non-existent.

 

 

David Griffith

 

20/11/2016 12:47, Christopher Bartlett wrote:

Has anyone found a desktop rss reader that works well with NVDA?  I'm currently using goread.io, which is a distinctly dissatisfactory service.



--

Christopher Bartlett

 




--
Christopher Bartlett