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Re: Google drive and nvda question

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Shruggs,
 
Yeah, I kind a noticed.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

I thought you were asking about Drop box.  I often read messages and don't read subject lines.  Disregard my last message.  It refers to Drop Box.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1.  Then follow the link.  Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar.  Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1.  Then press enter to follow the address.
 
The standard download dialog will come up. 
 
for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message.  I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.
 
I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.
 
So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: Google drive and nvda question

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Uh, Gene, we're talking about Google Drive here, not Dropbox. The dl=1 or 0 is for Dropbox, not Drive, as far as I'm aware.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1.  Then follow the link.  Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar.  Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1.  Then press enter to follow the address.
 
The standard download dialog will come up. 
 
for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message.  I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.
 
I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.
 
So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: Google drive and nvda question

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


How in the world did you figure this out!
 
This is fantastic! They still need to get this fixed, in my opinion, but that said, at least there is a way.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

The big problem with the way Google Drive shares files is that it insists you open them in its own manager window before you download them, which is a PITA no matter who is dealing with them.

Here's a bit of a "geek secret" that can, if you're good with copying and pasting, make it much easier to do a direct download of a file for which you've been sent a Google Drive sharing link.

Here, for example, is the native Google Drive share link for a PDF file on one of my Google Drive Accounts, in this case a PDF (though the type shouldn't matter):

                  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61gLtsXt4oqQnoyTnRDVGF4aDQ

the long alphanumeric string after the "id=" part of the URL is the FILE_ID.  If you activate this link the file does not directly download, but you go into the Google Docs presentation manager for the file, and you can download from there.  However, if accessibility is an issue, or you just want to create a link for a shared file that will directly download it if the recipient activates it, you will use a URL in this format:

                  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=XXXX

where you paste the actual FILE ID you copied over the XXXX that I stuck at the end of the example.  Here's the one that allows direct download of the previously mentioned file:

                  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B61gLtsXt4oqQnoyTnRDVGF4aDQ 

and when you activate it you should get your standard Windows (or Mac, if that's what you're using) save dialog unless you have your web browser set to always save to the same location, then the file will just be placed in that folder.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Google drive and nvda question

Gene
 

I thought you were asking about Drop box.  I often read messages and don't read subject lines.  Disregard my last message.  It refers to Drop Box.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1.  Then follow the link.  Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar.  Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1.  Then press enter to follow the address.
 
The standard download dialog will come up. 
 
for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message.  I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.
 
I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.
 
So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: Google drive and nvda question

Gene
 

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1.  Then follow the link.  Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar.  Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1.  Then press enter to follow the address.
 
The standard download dialog will come up. 
 
for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message.  I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.
 
I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.
 
So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: Google drive and nvda question

 

The big problem with the way Google Drive shares files is that it insists you open them in its own manager window before you download them, which is a PITA no matter who is dealing with them.

Here's a bit of a "geek secret" that can, if you're good with copying and pasting, make it much easier to do a direct download of a file for which you've been sent a Google Drive sharing link.

Here, for example, is the native Google Drive share link for a PDF file on one of my Google Drive Accounts, in this case a PDF (though the type shouldn't matter):

                  https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B61gLtsXt4oqQnoyTnRDVGF4aDQ

the long alphanumeric string after the "id=" part of the URL is the FILE_ID.  If you activate this link the file does not directly download, but you go into the Google Docs presentation manager for the file, and you can download from there.  However, if accessibility is an issue, or you just want to create a link for a shared file that will directly download it if the recipient activates it, you will use a URL in this format:

                  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=XXXX

where you paste the actual FILE ID you copied over the XXXX that I stuck at the end of the example.  Here's the one that allows direct download of the previously mentioned file:

                  https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B61gLtsXt4oqQnoyTnRDVGF4aDQ 

and when you activate it you should get your standard Windows (or Mac, if that's what you're using) save dialog unless you have your web browser set to always save to the same location, then the file will just be placed in that folder.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Rosemarie Chavarria wrote with regard to the year 2002 and Internet Explorer:
I think it was IE 6 at that time.

Give the lady a cigar (or a drink, or small prize of her choice)!   See the wikipedia article on IE6.

For more IE history than most people would want, see the main wikipedia article on IE.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Google drive and nvda question

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.
 
I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.
 
So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think it was IE 6 at that time.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Oh okay. Cause my room mate got her first xp box 2002 I think we had IE whatever Microsoft had.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I think Alasdair King started developing it in 2001. I didn't have a computer until 2003 when I got the old windows 98 computer from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Oh yeah? Like I said. I never heard of it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Arlene
 

Oh okay. Cause my room mate got her first xp box 2002 I think we had IE whatever Microsoft had.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I think Alasdair King started developing it in 2001. I didn't have a computer until 2003 when I got the old windows 98 computer from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Oh yeah? Like I said. I never heard of it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

    I can't discuss facebook because I don't use it.  but when I look at web sites in general, I don't move through lots of image indications that I hear.  Whether any of that is because of browser settings I use, I can't be sure.  Others may wich to comment.
 
I thought you knew how to move in such ways as by headings.  But I wasn't sure if you were talking about actual items you see if you just let a page read or about something else.  It appears you are talking about names of files such as filename.gif. 
We'll see what others say.  I generally don't see such things.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

I'm talking about extra graphics and pictures. I'm not talking about things like H for headings. I know how to navigate by headings. I once listened to a tutorial where the guy was demonstrating the facebook site with webbie. It worked well with webbie but not with a browser like internet explorer.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

you have said this before and I have said before that that is not the case.  it is possible that we are talking about different things but I see no more clutter when using a standard browser.  If you want to take a specific web page and explain what you see using a different browser that you don't see in Webbie, we can then discuss that page and we can look at it with our browsers of choice.  It isn't clear to me what clutter you are describing nor is it clear to me whether this is clutter that can easily be skipped by screen-reader commands such as move to next heading or skip blocks of links. 

 

In addition, I know and am using a standard screen-reader browsing interface which makes me able to use more pages well because I can switch easily to different browsers if a page doesn't work well in a given browser. Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I think Alasdair King started developing it in 2001. I didn't have a computer until 2003 when I got the old windows 98 computer from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Oh yeah? Like I said. I never heard of it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I'm talking about extra graphics and pictures. I'm not talking about things like H for headings. I know how to navigate by headings. I once listened to a tutorial where the guy was demonstrating the facebook site with webbie. It worked well with webbie but not with a browser like internet explorer.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

you have said this before and I have said before that that is not the case.  it is possible that we are talking about different things but I see no more clutter when using a standard browser.  If you want to take a specific web page and explain what you see using a different browser that you don't see in Webbie, we can then discuss that page and we can look at it with our browsers of choice.  It isn't clear to me what clutter you are describing nor is it clear to me whether this is clutter that can easily be skipped by screen-reader commands such as move to next heading or skip blocks of links. 

 

In addition, I know and am using a standard screen-reader browsing interface which makes me able to use more pages well because I can switch easily to different browsers if a page doesn't work well in a given browser. Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Gene
 

I just tested.  I downloaded part of a large file using NVDA and Firefox.  When I was in the download window, the progress bar was followed.  I had NVDA set to beep as the progress bar changed and it did on an ongoing basis as the bar changed.  While I can't test this, I expect that if you are in the download window of Internet Explorer, a progress bar will be displayed that your screen-reader can follow but someone else will have to verify that. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

When you download a file in IE11, are you in the actual download window?  In other browsers such as Firefox and Chrome, you must open the download window to see the progress of the download.  If you have to open the download window in IE, doing so would likely allow the progress bar to be read.  There may not be a progress bar being displayed as you are currently downloading.  I don't know the command, if there is one, to open the download window in IE11.  I almost never use Internet Explorer and I've never upgraded from a quite old version. 
 
Also, adding to comments Brian, the other Brian made, there isn't that much to learn about using Firefox or Chrome.  Browsing on web pages, that is using commands like h for headings, etc. is identical.  Those are browser commands.  There isn't that much to learn about the new interface.  And Firefox, I don't use Chrome enough to comment on this feature, has a very convenient ssearch book marks feature that if IE has it, is not made plain where it is to the user.  I don't think there is such a feature.  With the Firefox feature, you can search all your book marks using this feature, however they are organized.  There is a search history feature as well.
 
Using Chrome and Firefox, you are better protected against malware which may be distributed by malicious Flash content.  Both Chrome and Firefox are far more restrictive about what Flash content they allow to run than Internet Explorer.  This didn't used to be the case but such browsers are continuing to be developed and Internet Explorer hasn't been developed for probably two years, if not more.  It is useable now but archaic. 
 
I don't like the Chrome interface though it is quite accessible now.  I find the Firefox interface to be more convenient for a blind user.  But it would be a good idea to stop using Internet Explorer as a main browser.  At times, I find a site that works well with Internet Explorer and not with Chrome or Firefox.  I keep Internet Explorer in mind as a reserve for such uncommon occasions.  But in general, it is better to use something else that isn't growing increasingly archaic. 
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft stops providing security updates for Internet explorer sometime around 2019.  maybe even at some point in 2018.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

        I do use webie but there are sites that webie has problems with but I use it for downloading because I can hear the percentages but ie 11 nvda does not read the percentages so you don't know if your downloads are progressing or not.  I have my gmail in my thunderbird and webie as my default brouser this works just fine. 

Brian Sackrider


On 12/21/2016 2:50 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I was using my own computer.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Yes, I think so.  I’ve seen this when I had a problem trying to sign in using another device that was mine. I should say a friend’s device while I was on vacation in my own state.  Canada When I got home I had to go into the e-mail on our IPhone to allow it. then the problem went away. I could not get my gmail in my inbox. When I allowed the IPhone to my gmail. The problem went away. Did you try signing into your gmail on another device? Or were you using your own computer?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Gene,

 

When I tried to sign in, I was taken to something like "create an account". I wonder if secuirty might have something to do with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
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> Thanks four your help in advance.
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> Rosemarie
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I must admit I do still use ie for certain admin things like if I want to upgrade things for say flash etc on another computer then yeah I run its brouser and do it that way.
Ofcause I could get it myself with firefox but windows by default hates me running programs on any external media which means I will need to store them on a temperary location in the computer to run them.
While I see the security implications of this I guess if I added my username then anything would probably run but still.

On 22/12/2016 11:02 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
David,

I'd say you're accurate just by saying that IE11 is now long out of date, and WebbIE is subject to whatever issues that in itself entails. It appears that Alasdair King continues to maintain WebbIE as there are two updates in 2016, the last one noted as this month, on the WebbIE web page ( http://www.webbie.org.uk/webbrowser/index.htm ) under the Version History section and he gets into details about said updates on the WebbIE Blog Page ( http://www.webbie.org.uk/blog/ ) .

I agree, though, that it really amounts to throwing good effort after bad to pursue anything that has IE11 as its underlying web browsing technology these days. While IE11 is still getting security updates it is under no further development. Web coding conventions have changed enough since development stopped for that to already be a functional concern. Now there's no screen reader maker I know of that's throwing a lot of focus on IE going forward since it's been supplanted in the marketplace by Chrome and Firefox and Microsoft is intent on making Edge its flagship web browser. There's a lot more interest in keeping on top of these three browsers while IE is going to become more and more a stepchild and will eventually likely end up unsupported beyond what already exists (which is substantial, but still, the writing's on the wall).
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*Brian*

* Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from * *insufficient premises.*

* ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902*


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Gene wrote, regarding Microsoft and Internet Explorer:
I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft stops providing security updates for Internet explorer sometime around 2019.  maybe even at some point in 2018.

 I keep trying to figure out how, and when, they're finally going to put the nails in the coffin of IE.  They complicated matters immensely by including IE as part of Windows 10 when they already knew it was an orphan, but thus obligating themselves to at least a number of years of security patches.  One thing's for sure, they will eventually end support entirely, and that time isn't all that far off.
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Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



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Gene
 

you have said this before and I have said before that that is not the case.  it is possible that we are talking about different things but I see no more clutter when using a standard browser.  If you want to take a specific web page and explain what you see using a different browser that you don't see in Webbie, we can then discuss that page and we can look at it with our browsers of choice.  It isn't clear to me what clutter you are describing nor is it clear to me whether this is clutter that can easily be skipped by screen-reader commands such as move to next heading or skip blocks of links. 
 
In addition, I know and am using a standard screen-reader browsing interface which makes me able to use more pages well because I can switch easily to different browsers if a page doesn't work well in a given browser. Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Brian,

        Contrary to your assertion,"if someone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until" it's time you figured out that you, like all others, actually have to deal with technological advances (and, sometimes, from a practical standpoint, they're more like regressions) just like the rest of us.

        You can easily follow downloads progress, including with NVDA, and particularly with the Golden Cursor add-on installed, using the download manager of virtually any web browser you can name.  I just tried downloading a massive PDF file I have on my Google drive and I can down-arrow on to the download status and have it read precisely where the download is and the total amount to be downloaded under Chrome.  If I wish to keep monitoring I have to up arrow/down arrow to get the status read again.  I almost never monitor download status for large files because I can check in download manager (CTRL+J in most web browsers) after the fact to see if the file did succeed in downloading or that it failed.

         As to your fiat that "you should not need any add-ons to do this" well, good luck with that.  Developers are going to do what they wish to do and what's most efficient for them.  You are one of many, many customers.  It is actually up to you to figure out, or to ask others, how something you might want to do can be done, not demand that people who don't even know you do things in the way you prefer.

         A big attitude adjustment, and acceptance of how the real world works, appears to be in order here.  Shooting me because I'm the messenger telling you something that's true, but that you don't want to hear, isn't helping you or anyone else, either.

        

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,

 

I guess some people are really stressed out about Christmas. I'm not. It's my favorite time of the year. I also like to play with odd software from time to time.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

OK, I was just asking.  Some people must be awfully stressed out over Christmas.  I sometimes like to play around with odd or unique software.

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On 12/21/2016 6:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Ron Canazzi wrote, with regard to WebbIE:

A few weeks ago, I posted a query to this list and some others concerning solutions for this issue and got absolutely no response.

And that should be utterly unsurprising.  WebbIE is a one-man project about which very little is known to "the outside world."  Then you have the fact that it's built atop what was once the dominant, but is now a rapidly dying, web browser and the desire to delve into finding answers is simply absent.

For myself, and I am speaking strictly for myself, I am not going to dedicate my time to finding a solution to something that is rapidly hitting a dead end that no one can fix.  It makes no sense for me to spend my time that way and, in the final analysis, it makes no sense to spend your time (for any you) that way because it is a dead end.  Learning a new and currently popular browser is a far better use of time and effort.  Several browsers now have  a "reader view" (see Firefox Reader View page for the leader on this) feature that essentially do what WebbIE had been doing - stripping things to straight text.  Clutching antiquated software to your (for any you) bosom makes absolutely no sense over the long run.  That has nothing to do with whether you're sighted, blind, or anything else.  There are clear indications when the time to begin letting go is nigh and when that point is passed.

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Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 



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Gene
 

You haven't needed a browser built for blind people for good Internet access since about 2000 if you had a good screen-reader.  Webbie was an important browser for quite some time but not because it was designed for blind users.  It was important because many blind people didn't have good screen-readers.  Before System Access and NVDA, many blind people benefitted from using Webbie because it was designed to be useable with minimal screen-readers such as Thunder or the old minimal Narrator.  I am quite sure that Internet Explorer can be made to display a progress bar during downloads.  I'm also quite sure Firefox and Chrome can, as well. 
 
I don't want to hear a progress bar during downloads so I don't have NVDA set to read them.  When I want to check the download, I look at the information in the download window relating to my file.  I am told the estimated time remaining, the speed of the download, and some other information.  I use my computer for lots of things and, while downloading, I don’t' stay in the download window.  I check the download now and then. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   


On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Brian Sackrider wrote:
webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902