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Re: Need to advise a sitghted person
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 01:41 am, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well on radio one of the blind djs I listen to says one of his uncles who is a truck driver or something likes to run jaws to read him his stuff so he can read the news paper while he drives his truck. As a tangent on this, I also know people who prefer screen readers rather than, say, books on tape (or similar) because even the best of the new voices don't put the kind of inflections on narrative that attempts to project what they think it means or how they interpret it. It allows someone to use their own imagination as far as how a character might be uttering a given phrase instead of having that already assigned by the human reader. I can see how this has a certain appeal to it. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
Roger, I will repeat this one last time: Windows Defender automatically updates its own definitions like all other modern antiviruses do. It would be worse than worthless if it didn't. Many people, and I'm one of them, leave our computers running for days at a time after they've been started up. Any antivirus that claims the name has to update its own virus definitions which can sometimes be updated multiple times daily (but that's not often the case, but it is on "busy" days). Windows Defender does perfectly well in taking care of itself and keeping itself up to date. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
I have yet to see any virus/malware or similar that can physically destroy hardware. Some of these infections are truly hideous, and can basically brick your computer, but if you have someone who can wipe the hard drive and reinstall an operating system from scratch (be it Windows or other) I have never seen a machine that cannot be rise like a phoenix from the smoldering ashes of a really virulent infection. Whether or not that makes economic sense to attempt is another story altogether. I've advised a number of clients to not waste their money having me do such on old hardware with an old OS when buying even a low end new computer gets them hardware that's light years ahead of what they've got. I then run whatever "exorcism" software I think necessary on their old machine's hard drive while it's attached as though it were intended as an external hard drive before doing a simple data transfer for any old files they would rather not lose (and very often that's photographs that they do not have backed up). One thing that I tell every client, friend, acquaintance, or random passer-by on a group such is this one is that the first investment you should make if you don't have one already is for an external backup drive, and preferably one that's entirely USB powered and intended for a laptop even if you intend to use it on a desktop or for backing up multiple machines. These are incredibly cheap insurance and if you keep it hooked up to your primary machine with a backup program that keeps constant versioned backups of your precious data files it can save you a world of hurt in the event of a hard disc crash or malicious infection. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
Roger Stewart
Someone mentioned that the checking for
virus database updates in Defender could be set with Task
Scheduler. I tried looking around in it and I find a long list of
tasks that it can schedule but I didn't find anything in there
about Defender or Windows Defender. There were several listings
for things I couldn't identify at all as they just had very
cryptic names with a bunch of numbers and letters. Maybe one of
these is it, but I couldn't identify Defender at all. Can someone
tell me how to find and set a schedule for it? I've never used
that scheduler before. Thanks. Roger
On 11/19/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus
Arlene
Oh good. Those things are a parasite.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November-19-16 10:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus
Hi, Gene,
I asked my neighbor for proof of her computer being destroyed but she couldn't give me an answer. I had a trojan on my old computer but it didn't totally destroy it. I was able to get rid of the trojan.
Rosemarie
On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Gene,
I asked my neighbor for proof of her computer being destroyed but she couldn't give me an answer. I had a trojan on my old computer but it didn't totally destroy it. I was able to get rid of the trojan.
Rosemarie
On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus
Gene
I don't know if any malware can physically damage a
computer. Most malware doesn't. it may do all sorts of things
you don't want it to do but physically destroying your computer is the least of
the worries associated with malware. I don't know anything about your
neighbor's knowledge of computers but a high degree of skepticism should
be maintained regarding what people tell you unless they have proven
records of knowledge and reliability. There is an enormous amount of
misinformation constantly being circulated regarding computers and related
matters.
Gene
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Hi, Arleen, I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer. Rosemarie On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 10:21 am, Gene wrote:
History is nothing more than a record of sites you have visited. Yup. And you're 100% correct about there being no need to clean it for security reasons. There are all kinds of urban legends regarding security as well as information that was once correct, that has not been for years, that continues to be stated as gospel. It's very hard to squelch, but it is worth trying. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Arleen,
I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.
Rosemarie
On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Anti Virus
Gene wrote: "I'm very careful about not opening attachments. but even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or longer, that I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from someone I knew." You do realize that this proves precisely the point I was trying to make. I have never minimized the importance of having an active antivirus or security suite running at all times. I also encourage people to have antimalware and antispyware programs installed should they be unfortunate enough to need them and to run the occasional "just because" scans. That being said, my point is that the precise antivirus you are using is all but irrelevant if you're someone such as yourself or you take the time to develop good browsing habits in general. I've been on the web since it started and have never gotten an infection from any "legitimate," for lack of a better word, website and I'm like you with regard to attachments. You are never going to be able to pick the "correct" antivirus to guarantee that the once in fifteen years situation is assured to be taken care of by that product, and it is insane to try to do so given the number of variables involved. You must have an active antivirus or security suite running on any Windows machine that is interacting with the world at large whether by direct connection to the internet or occasional data transfers via jump drives and the like. That's essential. The one you pick is, very largely, a crap shoot in the grand scheme of what you might possibly encounter as an infection and pretending otherwise (which many want to do) is folly. Developing good browsing habits will prevent virtually all infections, not absolutely all infections, and that's why you have security programs - as failsafes that you hope you never have to use. -- Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
Gene
History is nothing more than a record of sites you
have visited. There is no reason to clean history unless you don't want
people to know what sites you have visited. Malware doesn't care what
sites you have visited. you can set the browser not to store pass
words. You can let cookies store them or use some sort of password manager
to store them that encrypts them. History may be useful if you visit a
site and later want to eaasily go back to it when you haven't book marked it
. Also if you are worried about malware seeing your history, which is of
no use to it, you should worry about your book marks as well. Malware
doesn't care about your book marks either. If, of course, you don't want
people to know where you have been, like if you are cheating on your wife and
don't want her to find dating sites in your history, you would want not to keep
your history.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history. Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery. I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks. If you are on sites you login always log out. Sites like drop box or others. Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote: Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer. I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10. If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days. This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows
8.1 either. It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus
program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions
and, in fact, itself as new releases are released. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Publishing EBooks with NVDA?
David Russell
Hello NVDA group,
Websites like www.daisy.org highly recommend author Dave Gunn's "Accessible eBook Guidelines ....." (title snipped). Have you found accessibility and or compatibility with major eBook publishing programs used with a screen reader to be a real, major, challenge or hurtle? This question is more for those with no vision or very limited vision. Alongside that, Dropbox may work well with IOS devices compared to desktops or laptops, but what cloud portals work well with desktops and laptops? Thanks for your input. -- David Russell david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
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Re: Anti Virus
Arlene
Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history. Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery. I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks. If you are on sites you login always log out. Sites like drop box or others. Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote: Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer. I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10. If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days. This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either. It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: drop box dil
Arlene
Oh okay. Yes the del is at the end.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account Sent: November-19-16 3:51 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil Yes indeed. Dropbox links sometimes do come up with nothing on the end, but I have no idea why this happens sometimes and not others. I can confirm the dl 1 and zeio system of forcing it to run or download, but I think when its not there the decision lies withhow you set up the browser to react. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil When you send the link, try adding ?dl=1 to the end of the link. Look at the syntax character by character to make sure you see exactly what I wrote. Note the question mark at the beginning. If the link already has ?dl=0 at the end, delete the 0 and place a 1 there. You only have to add the rest if it isn't already there. This has nothing to do withh Internet Explorer. It's a Drop Box matter. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:17 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] drop box dil Hi list. How do you fix drop box dell in IE 11. I can share public link When I pretended to down load my link it will not let me download it. How do I fix this problem?
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Re: Anti Virus
Casey <cwollner@...>
hi are you using A screen reader with virpe?
If so what version of the internet security are you running? Also to you like them to stick with them and how easy is it to change options in that program and when you get something that it says that maybe infected. How easy is it to deal with that as well? So would you recommend someone using the latest version of window-eyes to get this program and set it up and you will be fully protected. Or do you think one should keep looking for A better product? -- Casey
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Re: drop box dil
Arlene
Oh okay. I needed to go to bed! Loll! What had happened the Audio file was supposed to be Jeopardy! But it ended up being Judge Judy. When I opened the link in my sent files. It would not download. I went to my drop box on the site and downloaded it. It worked I find out it was wrong! It was Judge Judy! I thought my computer was going crazy! It’s the operator! Loll! Whoever put both Jeopardy and Judge Judy did not name it Judge Judy. I did not think to check because if it’s Jeopardy. Then Jeopardy would play. This win 7 is getting old.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November-19-16 4:14 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil
If you can send real public links, they may not have anything at the end. If you are sharing links, which can be used in the same way but are technically different, there will be dl=0 at the end. As far as dl=1 is concerned, it's always a good idea, when sending a public link or a shared link, to make sure dl=1 is at the end. If it isn't there, some people will have a file play if its an audio file. I'm not sure if other files ever open instead of download. But Drop box is set up to cause dl=1 to force a download of a file, no matter what kind of file it is and no matter what browser and settings in the browser or other programs are used. I always make sure dl=1 is at the end of any file I send to anyone.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil
Yes indeed. Dropbox links sometimes do come up with nothing on the end, but
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Re: Anti Virus
Gene
No matter how careful you are, you can still be
infected, even by going to reputable sites if those sites are hacked or if the
advertising on those sites is hacked. Yes, people should follow good
safety procedures. but that does not minimize the need or usefulness of
good antimalware programs.
And no matter how careful you are, what about the
moment of inattention. I'm very careful about not opening
attachments. but even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or
longer, that I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an
attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from someone I
knew. If I had been paying proper attention, I wouldn't have done so but
the point is that unless you are sure that you will always be paying proper
attention from now until you stop using computers, there is always a small or
very small chance for error. I've seen techs or techies minimize the
importance of antimalware programs. Frankly, I consider this to be the
overconfidence of knowledge. I believe that safety is the lesson of
knowledge and experience.
Genee
----- Original Message -----
Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts. That way if you click malware it may not run. To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that gets stuff before it handles things. On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote: > I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless. It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using. > > As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection. Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that. Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so. > > If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK. If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening. Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry. > > Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career. Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk". > > This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10 ( http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/632487/windows-defender-as-integral-part-of-windows-10/ ) , which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at]. > -- > *Brian* > > *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.* > > ~ Lauren Bacall >
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Re: Anti Virus
I agree, the first point of security should be your head.
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Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts. That way if you click malware it may not run. To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that gets stuff before it handles things.
On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless. It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.
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Re: Anti Virus
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer. I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10. If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days. This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either. It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: Anti Virus
I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless. It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using. As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection. Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that. Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so. If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK. If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening. Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry. Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career. Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk". This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10, which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at]. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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