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Re: soundcard add on

The Gamages
 

Hello Gene,

Thank you for your interest, my problem is a bit more than just the
soundcard at the moment, it's a new computer that was working fine with
all the latest operating system from scratch but has developed a fault,
luckily the computer was purchased locally and the supplier is coming
today to sort it out.
My interest in the soundcard program is so that I can get sound back in
the event of it being accidentally muted or sound reduced to zero.
Your idea of a USB soundcard is interesting though, maybe a good back
up, thanks again.




Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim


was your sound card working before on windows 10? or have you just
upgraded then the sound disappeared?

I had something similar when i upgraded to windows 10 from a windows 8
machine. I could not find any updated drivers for my sound card so
brought a very cheap generic usb sound card. the next time i booted the
pc the sound came back or did i have to get someone to change it to the
new sound cards then it came back.


When they done the anniversary version i now also have sound via the old
sound card but may not be the case for all pcs.

You should if you need one be able to get one very cheap like a couple
of dollars nothing fancy.


Gene nz


On 19/12/2016 2:41 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Jacques,

Thank you for your reply, I have read your user guide and have one
question about my particular system.
I am using Windows ten anniversary edition, my soundcard is a
Soundblaster Z.

At the moment I have a problem where I have no speech, sighted people
have confirmed that the card is not muted and, as the computer is
under
warrenty, it will be looked at tomorrow.

That being said, will your program bring back speech when I lose it?
assuming that any problem is sorted first of course.
I am really only interested in getting some sound back if someone
mutes
it or reducers the volume to zero. I am not sure if your program will
do
this or if it stops the sound from being muted or reduced in the first
place. As you will realise now, the old Quick mix just took a
snapshot
of the soundcard and a hot key or desktop icon could be used to
restore
the settings?
In simple terms can you explain what happens with your program.

I do appreciate people like you who give of their time to help others,
whatever the outcome for me, have a very happy festive season and all
good luck for the new year.




Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim

I wasn't familiar with Quick Mix, but Googled it quickly to see what
it
offered on XP.

I wrote a collection of utilities over the last year or so, which I
call
Stascom Utility Suite. At this point it will recover sound to a
pre-defined level and unmute the default sound card if it became muted
by an event. You can also define day / night volumes to be switched to
at user defined times. At this point it does not load application
specific profiles, but that might just be something I'll look into for
a
future release.

Should you be interested, you can read the user guide and download the
installer from my web page:

http://www.stascom.co.za



Jacques

On 18 Dec 2016 12:25, The Gamages wrote:
Hello all,
I believe someone made an addon to save soundcard settings, I missed
the
thread on this subject, is it anything like the old “quick mix” for
XP?
that was a brilliant program.
does it take a snapshot of the soundcard, or is it a bit more
complicated?
Any comments greatly appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.



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Re: I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

Dejan Ristic
 

NVDA plus Shift plus D.


On 12/19/2016 12:56 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,

 

What is the keystroke for audio ducking in NVDA? I was going on a site to listen to something and the sound was lower than normal.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 





Re: dropbox working

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Well I got a notice to an email address I closed the account on but not on the new account email.
Very strange indeed.
There has been several notices recently telling of upcoming changes, or improvements as they prefer to call them. to me they are in grave danger of driving away the simple user who does not wantbadges collaborations sharing folders etc, and only ever uses it to keep several machines able to see a core of files and use the public links on places like this to help out other users.
The did a while ago say they would not support XP and logged everybody out then without any kind of announcement we coould all log in again and use it on Intel chipped machines running xp, but not amd ones, but since they also told us how to stop the client updating as well, and the 13 version still works, then it seems one arm of their organisation is working one way, while another is doibing something else and not explaining what they are doing very well either.
They do need to be careful as there are other players out there still offering public links to cloud stored files.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason I never got one.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

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Well this seems to be a common problemwith wb forums in general, wh is why I tend to steer clear of them.
The point I think is that it seems that forum software is all different some better than others. It is a shame that there are no accepted standards for forums to at least let somebody design a client for them as the have for twitter etc.
I will always stick to email software or use Usenet groups simply because blind people well this one at least finds forums a bit of a brain strain to use in general

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?


Gene,

What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads ( https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-To-Merge-Threads ) that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though.
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Re: dropbox working

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I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would end up on a portable device and make their data usage go through the roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.


Re: soundcard add on

The Gamages
 

Hello Jacques,

Thank you for all that information, I wil contact you off list for
anything further, Neanwhile I will try the program when my computer is
fixed, thanks once again.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Apologies to those not interested in my program or the topic in general.

Jim, what I should've added to the previous message is the following.

By default, at least in the version currently downloadable from my site,
the minimum allowed volume level is 20 percent before recovering to the
user defined recovery level. Subsequent to that release, someone brought
to my attention that he is using earphones at night and finds the
minimum of 20 percent to high. What I have done in response is to add
the ability to detect when earphones are plugged in and then offer the
user the ability to define a minimum output of 5 percent instead. Please
note that this currently only exists on the code present on my machine,
it hasn't been released to the public. I am working on a few other
modules, which I need to run passed my beta testers first before I can
put it on my site for download.

The above also means that the user will be able to lower the master
volume output to 5 percent with the hot key for decreasing volume
output, control+Windows+DownArrow. It will also reflect in the minimum
allowed volume for day / night adjustment. This will however only be
applied if the user has enabled the relevant option under configuration.

As said, my aim always is to leave the choice to the user. I personally
detest programs which force certain approaches on the user, so I attempt
to avoid this as far as possible.

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:02:26 +0200
From: Jacques <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Hi Jim

In the configuration window of Stascom there are radio buttons to either
enable or disable the sound recovery feature. This effectively means
that, if the user chooses to disable this feature, the default audio
device can be muted or set lower than the user defined low volume. When
disabling this feature, I populate a warning message to the effect that
if the feature is disabled, I will not be able to recover sound.
However, my aim is to always give the user an option for any feature I
build into Stascom, regardless of the feature in question. The same
holds true for day / night volume adjustment. If you don't like it,
simply disable the feature and I'll honour it in future sessions.

I'm happy to answer any questions you may have, but also check out the
user guide, I have run it passed a few people and believe it to be quite
clear on what the program offers, or do not offer.

Thanks for your interest in the program.


Jacques

On 18 Dec 2016 18:48, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Jacques,

Just to be clear to my simple brain, I take it that nobody can mute or
reduce the sound below the level set?, this would suit me fine, if the
mute status or level can still be changed, at what point will it
return
to the set values?
Sorry to sound so thick, I just want to get it clear in my mind. Thank
you.




Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim

My program monitors the default audio device and will unmute it if it
becomes muted in any way. It also monitors for low volume and recovers
it, once again, should it fall below a certain level. Both the minimum
volume, as well as the level it will recover to, is user configurable.
The user do not need to press any hot key for this to happen, it is
automated. As is stated in my user guide, it can only perform these
actions if the hardware is in tact and the correct drivers are
installed, of course.

Bottom line, if your hardware is not faulty and the correct drivers
are
installed, Stascom will unmute and recover volume on the default sound
card automatically, no problem.

I'm currently in the process of adding more functionality to the
program. Once I've completed it and it's done its rounds via my beta
testers, I'll post the update. I should also mention that if you have
the version installed which currently is on my web site, it will
notify
you of any future release, provided you are connected to the internet,
naturally. The check for an update will happen when the program
launches
at startup, but there's also an option for a manual check under the
menu
hot key, control+Windows+m.

Thanks for your kind words, a good festive season to you too.

Jacques

On 18 Dec 2016 15:41, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Jacques,

Thank you for your reply, I have read your user guide and have one
question about my particular system.
I am using Windows ten anniversary edition, my soundcard is a
Soundblaster Z.

At the moment I have a problem where I have no speech, sighted people
have confirmed that the card is not muted and, as the computer is
under
warrenty, it will be looked at tomorrow.

That being said, will your program bring back speech when I lose it?
assuming that any problem is sorted first of course.
I am really only interested in getting some sound back if someone
mutes
it or reducers the volume to zero. I am not sure if your program will
do
this or if it stops the sound from being muted or reduced in the
first
place. As you will realise now, the old Quick mix just took a
snapshot
of the soundcard and a hot key or desktop icon could be used to
restore
the settings?
In simple terms can you explain what happens with your program.

I do appreciate people like you who give of their time to help
others,
whatever the outcome for me, have a very happy festive season and all
good luck for the new year.




Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacques
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on

Hi Jim

I wasn't familiar with Quick Mix, but Googled it quickly to see what
it
offered on XP.

I wrote a collection of utilities over the last year or so, which I
call
Stascom Utility Suite. At this point it will recover sound to a
pre-defined level and unmute the default sound card if it became
muted
by an event. You can also define day / night volumes to be switched
to
at user defined times. At this point it does not load application
specific profiles, but that might just be something I'll look into
for
a
future release.

Should you be interested, you can read the user guide and download
the
installer from my web page:

http://www.stascom.co.za



Jacques

On 18 Dec 2016 12:25, The Gamages wrote:
Hello all,
I believe someone made an addon to save soundcard settings, I missed
the
thread on this subject, is it anything like the old “quick mix” for
XP?
that was a brilliant program.
does it take a snapshot of the soundcard, or is it a bit more
complicated?
Any comments greatly appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.











Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene
 

I just looked at the page with landmarks on and there no useful landmarks.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

I should also add that I worked with the interface with use screen support turned off.  I don't know if that makes any difference in how things are laid out for a blind user.
 
Genbe
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
 
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted user. I tried using the interface using topics view.  I don't see why it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA.  The pages have almost no headings nor what I would consider to be convenient markers.  I haven't looked for aria markers and I have them turned off.  You may find something useful experimenting with them.
 
I don't like using the links list and I did almost nothing with it.  Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail client.  It's really no accident, unless others experiment with different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io lists.
 
As I said, I use topics view to see messages grouped by thread.  you don't have to do this, of course.  
 
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word "date."
From there, I start reading.  I hear the first thread start to be read.  If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate link.  
I then start at the top of the page and type h to move to the first heading.  I don't remember if that passes the information about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the thread.  There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.  I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
 
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the next message in the thread.  I do an NVDA search for the word more to move to the more link.  I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the item, I'm right about at the next message.  
 
As I said, unless there is something like an aria means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done, the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind users.  
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene,

           What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

           One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list?  There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin.  I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

            In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries.  What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do.  I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

            I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

            I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation.  And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split.  I have yet to play with this, though.
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene
 

I should also add that I worked with the interface with use screen support turned off.  I don't know if that makes any difference in how things are laid out for a blind user.
 
Genbe

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
 
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted user. I tried using the interface using topics view.  I don't see why it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA.  The pages have almost no headings nor what I would consider to be convenient markers.  I haven't looked for aria markers and I have them turned off.  You may find something useful experimenting with them.
 
I don't like using the links list and I did almost nothing with it.  Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail client.  It's really no accident, unless others experiment with different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io lists.
 
As I said, I use topics view to see messages grouped by thread.  you don't have to do this, of course.  
 
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word "date."
From there, I start reading.  I hear the first thread start to be read.  If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate link.  
I then start at the top of the page and type h to move to the first heading.  I don't remember if that passes the information about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the thread.  There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.  I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
 
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the next message in the thread.  I do an NVDA search for the word more to move to the more link.  I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the item, I'm right about at the next message.  
 
As I said, unless there is something like an aria means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done, the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind users.  
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene,

           What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

           One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list?  There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin.  I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

            In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries.  What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do.  I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

            I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

            I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation.  And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split.  I have yet to play with this, though.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene
 

This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
 
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted user. I tried using the interface using topics view.  I don't see why it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA.  The pages have almost no headings nor what I would consider to be convenient markers.  I haven't looked for aria markers and I have them turned off.  You may find something useful experimenting with them.
 
I don't like using the links list and I did almost nothing with it.  Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail client.  It's really no accident, unless others experiment with different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io lists.
 
As I said, I use topics view to see messages grouped by thread.  you don't have to do this, of course.  
 
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word "date."
From there, I start reading.  I hear the first thread start to be read.  If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate link.  
I then start at the top of the page and type h to move to the first heading.  I don't remember if that passes the information about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the thread.  There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.  I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
 
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the next message in the thread.  I do an NVDA search for the word more to move to the more link.  I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the item, I'm right about at the next message.  
 
As I said, unless there is something like an aria means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done, the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind users.  
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene,

           What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

           One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list?  There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin.  I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

            In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries.  What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do.  I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

            I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

            I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation.  And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split.  I have yet to play with this, though.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: dropbox working

Arlene
 

Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason I never got one.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

 

As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up.  I got a notice last week.  As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters.  If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

 

Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

 

The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working

 

Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene
 

I'll have to play more with the interface to see if I can answer your questions well.  I'll write more later tonight or tomorrow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene,

           What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

           One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list?  There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin.  I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

            In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries.  What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do.  I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

            I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

            I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation.  And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split.  I have yet to play with this, though.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

 

Gene,

           What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else.

           One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list?  There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin.  I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links.

            In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries.  What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do.  I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is.

            I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant.

            I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation.  And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split.  I have yet to play with this, though.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: transition from IE to Microsoft Edge

 

Hi,

NV Access is actively researching these and other issues. There is a much more critical issue that’s being researched at this very moment, and the current research result is that you’ll need to upgrade to the next Windows 10 feature upgrade to take advantage of the fix for that issue (more on that soon).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ame
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] transition from IE to Microsoft Edge

 

It’s interesting that I hadn’t encountered that issue till the last Win10 update.  Sorry I didn’t specify to begin with.  Would’ve helped, huh?  lol  That’s not a problem so long as some of the transition issues get dealt with...  You know, like hitting V for visited links and B for buttons an  any other differences between the two I haven’t encountered yet.  Again, they’re only marginally inconvenient but they are, nevertheless, inconvenient.  Anybody got any pointers?   New shortcut keys?  New work arounds?  Anyway, all things considered, Edge has become quite a bit more screen reader friendly thank goodness.

 

Thanks for all your help.  Have a good evening.


Re: dropbox working

Gene
 

As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up.  I got a notice last week.  As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters.  If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

 

The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working

 

Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.


List Moderation #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello all,

I have been keeping an eye on list traffic over the past couple of days, and have waited for things to settle down a bit before coming on board. I wish to take this opportunity to say a couple of things, and to start something new for this list.

As some may remember, Joseph helped me moderate this list for a long while, and he did a wonderful job at that. This list got used to his moderation style, and I found his style to be effective most of the time. I stepped in when needed, and he stepped in when needed, but on the whole, this list for the most part moderated itself. On lists that I run, I find this to be beneficial as even though a thread may be off-topic, it usually does not last long, and the thread may contain valuable information to somebody. At times, I have had to shut down certain topics, and the moderation team has been in agreement on that, but those times are few. I have always asked members of this list to reach out if they disagree with a decision, and I have said that all list members will be heard. List members can reach out to the list owner address, or to me personally, and I will be happy to help and serve in the best way possible. We won't always agree, but I will hear you out, and I will make sure that you know why a decision was made as it was, and I will give you the opportunity to change my mind. In addition, this list does have a sublist for discussion of list matters, although I don't see that as being used on most lists where it exists, and in any case, list matters on this list at any rate, are not all democratic. Why? Because this list made that clear during past decisions.

During the past year, Joseph stepped down, and this list elected not to have elections for a new moderator. I asked for volunteers that wished to become a moderator after this list elected not to have a democratic process. I also asked for nominations. Jene was my pick out of two candidates to be moderator because he is knowledgeable, he has participated on this list for a long time, many on this list respect him for his contributions, and he demonstrated to me a willingness to work with me and to work for this list to serve its membership in the best way possible. I asked after he was selected to be a moderator that all of us welcome Jene, and to treat him with the respect that you have treated me and Joseph in the past. Gene is not Joseph, and he has a different style of communication. However, both of us are in agreement to continue to allow this list for the most part to run itself, and we are both in agreement to be listers, just as all of you are, except for when we need to step up to the podium to deal with a situation. So far, I hope all of you can agree with my assessments of the situation.

Over the past few days, some questions have come up about the moderation of this list. I want to thank Stuart and Brian for reaching out via proper channels to register what they feel to be issues. Gene has, and continues to have my support for the running of this list, and has not given me any reason to think that he does not make an effective moderator. However, I am open to hear ideas for how you believe the moderation of this list can be improved, and how we can serve you better to make this list more functionable, and to allow us to be more answerable to you. To that end, I want to once again invite anyone that wishes to be heard to send a message to nvda+owner@groups.io or to nimerjaber1@... with your thoughts, suggestions, or grievances. I do want to listen, and to be there for each of you. Also, I am wondering if this list would like a time to talk about any issues that you experience? This could be something that happens monthly, or more often if preferred. If this is something that you would like to see happen, again please send me your comments and suggestions to the group owner e-mail address, or to me at my e-mail address.

Finally, I would like to wish all of you a very happy holidays ahead to you and your families. Thank you for allowing me to continue to serve you, and know that I really am listening and paying attention to your suggestions.

Cordially,

Nimer J, List Owner


Re: dropbox needs something done to it

Gene
 

If you are asking how to send someone a link to a file that isn't a public link, it is very similar to sending a public link. 
Move to the file you want to share, open the context menu, look for copy Dropbox link and press enter.  The link will be copied to your clipboard.  paste it wherever you want and change the 0 at the end to a 1.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it

Hi, How does one do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-18-16 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it

 

Hi,

Have everyone send you dl=0 links, and you can download them directly without going into drop box at all. Changing that 1 to a 0 is so important.

Take care,

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it

 

Hi all.

Dropbox has decided to disable public folders, not a problem for us

basic users.

I don't use them anyway.

Sadly they have also disabled web page renders.

That in itself while not ideal is not usually an issue.

However it appears to have broken every other render.

For example the dl=1 links don't work, I had to sign in and save 2 files

from a twitter to my dropbox which I then killed again after I was done.

I then tried my own links, same thing they didn't work just said page

not found.

I then decided ok lets try the direct method.

I hit in both ie11 and latest firefox, 1,  hit the download button.

Nothing, hit the more options menu in firefox selected direct download.

Nothing happened, nothing in my downloads list.

As a platform, I really like dropbox its been my rock for ages and ages.

However I don't want to be forced to have to save all the files I get to

my folder or to put it another way I don't want to have to force

everyone that gets my files to have to sign in to a dropbox account.

There is probably a way to get things but things are not that accessible.

I have used dropbox since year 0!

But I will have no choice but to clear dropbox and only use it for shares.

True I have mega because I needed to use it for a large file, and true I

could get another free cloud solution but really.

I refuse to pay just to have the facility to download a file!

I am a basic user, I don't care about rendering webpages, I just want to

be able to play audio files which sadly just error out in both ff and ie

and or download them so I can play them in winamp and anything else I have.

I could use google drive but my beef with this is that like dropbox the

page for downloads isn't much better.

The way dropbox seems to have gone, I am not sure what I can do, I may

signup to dropbox forum and or try to contact them directly but if

someone can see different things than I can well

look at this here link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=1

That won't work.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=0

this will, its just the sound recorder from xp, I was able to click the

more options menu then direct download, then I was able to click download.

Am I missing an important thing or what.

Can you get the file without saving to dropbox on your side.

If the answer is no, I will probably have to use mega for files or

google drive.

I hate the google drive download pages but they work enough for downloads.

I am pritty sure a damn sightling can download the file.

 

 

I am not sure if dropbox cares at this point.

 

 

 


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I agree. I don't see any need at this point for closing the thread. In fact, this topic actually could grow to be very useful. Please, people, just be sure to keep the subject line rellavent. I'm not a mod, but might I please ask this one favor? That's all I ask. It's not a big deal, and no hard feelings whatsoever. It's all good as far as I'm concerned.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

there may be a small number of people using the web interface.  I've used the interface very rarely to look something up and to perform moderation.  What questions do you have?  I might be able to answer at least some of them by looking at the web interface and trying to do whatever you are asking about efficiently. 
 
while the thread is specialized as to subject, it may present useful discussion for Internet navigation that may help some people navigate web pages better. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

If so I have some questions about how you choose to navigate the Messages page for a Groups.io group and to read the actual topic threads themselves when you open them.

I really don't know if this topic is appropriate, or of interest, for public discussion here.  If it is not, will the group owner or moderator please post saying that this sort of discussion should be taken off-list.

It's definitely NVDA related, but in a very specific context.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

Gene
 

there may be a small number of people using the web interface.  I've used the interface very rarely to look something up and to perform moderation.  What questions do you have?  I might be able to answer at least some of them by looking at the web interface and trying to do whatever you are asking about efficiently. 
 
while the thread is specialized as to subject, it may present useful discussion for Internet navigation that may help some people navigate web pages better. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

If so I have some questions about how you choose to navigate the Messages page for a Groups.io group and to read the actual topic threads themselves when you open them.

I really don't know if this topic is appropriate, or of interest, for public discussion here.  If it is not, will the group owner or moderator please post saying that this sort of discussion should be taken off-list.

It's definitely NVDA related, but in a very specific context.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: dropbox working

Arlene
 

Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

 

The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working

 

Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.


Re: dropbox needs something done to it

Arlene
 

Hi, How does one do that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-18-16 1:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it

 

Hi,

Have everyone send you dl=0 links, and you can download them directly without going into drop box at all. Changing that 1 to a 0 is so important.

Take care,

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it

 

Hi all.

Dropbox has decided to disable public folders, not a problem for us

basic users.

I don't use them anyway.

Sadly they have also disabled web page renders.

That in itself while not ideal is not usually an issue.

However it appears to have broken every other render.

For example the dl=1 links don't work, I had to sign in and save 2 files

from a twitter to my dropbox which I then killed again after I was done.

I then tried my own links, same thing they didn't work just said page

not found.

I then decided ok lets try the direct method.

I hit in both ie11 and latest firefox, 1,  hit the download button.

Nothing, hit the more options menu in firefox selected direct download.

Nothing happened, nothing in my downloads list.

As a platform, I really like dropbox its been my rock for ages and ages.

However I don't want to be forced to have to save all the files I get to

my folder or to put it another way I don't want to have to force

everyone that gets my files to have to sign in to a dropbox account.

There is probably a way to get things but things are not that accessible.

I have used dropbox since year 0!

But I will have no choice but to clear dropbox and only use it for shares.

True I have mega because I needed to use it for a large file, and true I

could get another free cloud solution but really.

I refuse to pay just to have the facility to download a file!

I am a basic user, I don't care about rendering webpages, I just want to

be able to play audio files which sadly just error out in both ff and ie

and or download them so I can play them in winamp and anything else I have.

I could use google drive but my beef with this is that like dropbox the

page for downloads isn't much better.

The way dropbox seems to have gone, I am not sure what I can do, I may

signup to dropbox forum and or try to contact them directly but if

someone can see different things than I can well

look at this here link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=1

That won't work.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=0

this will, its just the sound recorder from xp, I was able to click the

more options menu then direct download, then I was able to click download.

Am I missing an important thing or what.

Can you get the file without saving to dropbox on your side.

If the answer is no, I will probably have to use mega for files or

google drive.

I hate the google drive download pages but they work enough for downloads.

I am pritty sure a damn sightling can download the file.

 

 

I am not sure if dropbox cares at this point.