Re: soundcard add on
The Gamages
Hello Gene,
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Thank you for your interest, my problem is a bit more than just the soundcard at the moment, it's a new computer that was working fine with all the latest operating system from scratch but has developed a fault, luckily the computer was purchased locally and the supplier is coming today to sort it out. My interest in the soundcard program is so that I can get sound back in the event of it being accidentally muted or sound reduced to zero. Your idea of a USB soundcard is interesting though, maybe a good back up, thanks again. Best Regards, Jim.
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From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:41 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on Hi Jim was your sound card working before on windows 10? or have you just upgraded then the sound disappeared? I had something similar when i upgraded to windows 10 from a windows 8 machine. I could not find any updated drivers for my sound card so brought a very cheap generic usb sound card. the next time i booted the pc the sound came back or did i have to get someone to change it to the new sound cards then it came back. When they done the anniversary version i now also have sound via the old sound card but may not be the case for all pcs. You should if you need one be able to get one very cheap like a couple of dollars nothing fancy. Gene nz On 19/12/2016 2:41 AM, The Gamages wrote: Hello Jacques,-- <b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics. http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216 Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking
Dejan Ristic
NVDA plus Shift plus D.
On 12/19/2016 12:56 AM, Rosemarie
Chavarria wrote:
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Re: dropbox working
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well I got a notice to an email address I closed the account on but not on the new account email.
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Very strange indeed. There has been several notices recently telling of upcoming changes, or improvements as they prefer to call them. to me they are in grave danger of driving away the simple user who does not wantbadges collaborations sharing folders etc, and only ever uses it to keep several machines able to see a core of files and use the public links on places like this to help out other users. The did a while ago say they would not support XP and logged everybody out then without any kind of announcement we coould all log in again and use it on Intel chipped machines running xp, but not amd ones, but since they also told us how to stop the client updating as well, and the 13 version still works, then it seems one arm of their organisation is working one way, while another is doibing something else and not explaining what they are doing very well either. They do need to be careful as there are other players out there still offering public links to cloud stored files. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:39 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason I never got one. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] dropbox working Hi. Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I expected. Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back. If it was a failier then false alarm. If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't complain. I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it. It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Well this seems to be a common problemwith wb forums in general, wh is why I tend to steer clear of them.
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The point I think is that it seems that forum software is all different some better than others. It is a shame that there are no accepted standards for forums to at least let somebody design a client for them as the have for twitter etc. I will always stick to email software or use Usenet groups simply because blind people well this one at least finds forums a bit of a brain strain to use in general Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface? Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads ( https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/How-To-Merge-Threads ) that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. -- *Brian* * Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from * *insufficient premises.* * ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902*
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Re: dropbox working
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would end up on a portable device and make their data usage go through the roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
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I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] dropbox working Hi. Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I expected. Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back. If it was a failier then false alarm. If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't complain. I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it. It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.
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Re: soundcard add on
The Gamages
Hello Jacques,
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Thank you for all that information, I wil contact you off list for anything further, Neanwhile I will try the program when my computer is fixed, thanks once again. Best Regards, Jim.
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From: Jacques Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on Apologies to those not interested in my program or the topic in general. Jim, what I should've added to the previous message is the following. By default, at least in the version currently downloadable from my site, the minimum allowed volume level is 20 percent before recovering to the user defined recovery level. Subsequent to that release, someone brought to my attention that he is using earphones at night and finds the minimum of 20 percent to high. What I have done in response is to add the ability to detect when earphones are plugged in and then offer the user the ability to define a minimum output of 5 percent instead. Please note that this currently only exists on the code present on my machine, it hasn't been released to the public. I am working on a few other modules, which I need to run passed my beta testers first before I can put it on my site for download. The above also means that the user will be able to lower the master volume output to 5 percent with the hot key for decreasing volume output, control+Windows+DownArrow. It will also reflect in the minimum allowed volume for day / night adjustment. This will however only be applied if the user has enabled the relevant option under configuration. As said, my aim always is to leave the choice to the user. I personally detest programs which force certain approaches on the user, so I attempt to avoid this as far as possible. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [nvda] soundcard add on Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 20:02:26 +0200 From: Jacques <lists4js@runbox.com> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Hi Jim In the configuration window of Stascom there are radio buttons to either enable or disable the sound recovery feature. This effectively means that, if the user chooses to disable this feature, the default audio device can be muted or set lower than the user defined low volume. When disabling this feature, I populate a warning message to the effect that if the feature is disabled, I will not be able to recover sound. However, my aim is to always give the user an option for any feature I build into Stascom, regardless of the feature in question. The same holds true for day / night volume adjustment. If you don't like it, simply disable the feature and I'll honour it in future sessions. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have, but also check out the user guide, I have run it passed a few people and believe it to be quite clear on what the program offers, or do not offer. Thanks for your interest in the program. Jacques On 18 Dec 2016 18:48, The Gamages wrote: Hello Jacques,
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene
I just looked at the page with landmarks on and
there no useful landmarks.
Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? I should also add that I worked with the interface
with use screen support turned off. I don't know if that makes any
difference in how things are laid out for a blind user.
Genbe
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From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't
have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted
user. I tried using the interface using topics view. I don't see why
it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA. The pages have almost no headings
nor what I would consider to be convenient markers. I haven't looked for
aria markers and I have them turned off. You may find something useful
experimenting with them.
I don't like using the links list and I did almost
nothing with it. Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be
the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail
client. It's really no accident, unless others experiment with
different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost
universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io
lists.
As I said, I use topics view to see messages
grouped by thread. you don't have to do this, of
course.
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at
the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word
"date."
From there, I start reading. I hear the first
thread start to be read. If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate
link.
I then start at the top of the page and type h to
move to the first heading. I don't remember if that passes the information
about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the
thread. There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings
that a screen-reader recognizes.
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the
next message in the thread. I do an NVDA search for the word more to move
to the more link. I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the
item, I'm right about at the next message.
As I said, unless there is something like an aria
means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done,
the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind
users.
Gene
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread
for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability
with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is
possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately,
but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene
I should also add that I worked with the interface
with use screen support turned off. I don't know if that makes any
difference in how things are laid out for a blind user.
Genbe
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't
have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted
user. I tried using the interface using topics view. I don't see why
it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA. The pages have almost no headings
nor what I would consider to be convenient markers. I haven't looked for
aria markers and I have them turned off. You may find something useful
experimenting with them.
I don't like using the links list and I did almost
nothing with it. Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be
the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail
client. It's really no accident, unless others experiment with
different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost
universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io
lists.
As I said, I use topics view to see messages
grouped by thread. you don't have to do this, of
course.
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at
the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word
"date."
From there, I start reading. I hear the first
thread start to be read. If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate
link.
I then start at the top of the page and type h to
move to the first heading. I don't remember if that passes the information
about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the
thread. There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings
that a screen-reader recognizes.
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the
next message in the thread. I do an NVDA search for the word more to move
to the more link. I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the
item, I'm right about at the next message.
As I said, unless there is something like an aria
means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done,
the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind
users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread
for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability
with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is
possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately,
but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene
This answer is rather long but I probably couldn't
have presented matters clearly if I shortened the message much.
I'm not sure how the page appears to a sighted
user. I tried using the interface using topics view. I don't see why
it would matter if you use JAWS or NVDA. The pages have almost no headings
nor what I would consider to be convenient markers. I haven't looked for
aria markers and I have them turned off. You may find something useful
experimenting with them.
I don't like using the links list and I did almost
nothing with it. Here is how I moved through the messages in what may be
the most efficient way, though it isn't nearly as desirable as using an e-mail
client. It's really no accident, unless others experiment with
different settings and find better ways, that blind people almost
universally use an e-mail program to read mail from Groups.io
lists.
As I said, I use topics view to see messages
grouped by thread. you don't have to do this, of
course.
but the essence of how I navigate is to start at
the top of the page and use the NVDA search to look for the word
"date."
From there, I start reading. I hear the first
thread start to be read. If I want to expand it, I follow the appropriate
link.
I then start at the top of the page and type h to
move to the first heading. I don't remember if that passes the information
about who the message is from but it does take me to the first message in the
thread. There are no more headings that a screen-reader recognizes.
I don't know if a sighted person sees visual headings that are not true headings
that a screen-reader recognizes.
At any rate, let's say I want to skip to the
next message in the thread. I do an NVDA search for the word more to move
to the more link. I may have to repeat the search but when I get to the
item, I'm right about at the next message.
As I said, unless there is something like an aria
means to navigate that is more efficient and better, with what I've done,
the interface appears quite unfriendly for efficient navigation by blind
users.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread
for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability
with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is
possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately,
but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: dropbox working
Arlene
Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason I never got one.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi.
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene
I'll have to play more with the interface to see if
I can answer your questions well. I'll write more later tonight or
tomorrow.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other
via the Groups.io web interface? Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread
for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability
with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is
possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately,
but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene, What I'm looking to determine right now is how, if anyone is doing it, people actually read through topics/threads, more than anything else. One specific thing I'm curious about is when you're on the messages page, in topics view, and you use NVDA + F7 to list the link elements is there a way to navigate to the "tree view" entries in the link list? There is no label text, there are two tree view entries that show up immediately before the actual links for topics themselves and user profiles (where those exist) begin. I suspect that it might be more efficient to look at the topics page by heading rather than links. In my case, on the actual topic page where all the messages are listed for a given topic I show these in reverse chronological order (most recent message shown at first working its way down the page to oldest) since when I'm following specific threads I read them with great frequency and don't want to have to scroll down the page a long distance to find the newest entries. What I'm having trouble with is actually getting the message text that someone has posted to read if I don't resort to mouse tracking which, of course. someone who's typically using a screen reader is not going to do. I can't seem to get focus on the message text itself in the individual messages via the keyboard and I suspect it's something "very stupid" that I'm doing or failing to do, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what that is. I know that on one of the other blind and low-vision groups I participate on that someone is reading via the web interface, but I believe it's with JAWS rather than NVDA, so I thought I'd ask here because there are just enough differences that it could be significant. I plan on sticking to this thread for this conversation. And, just because I've asked about this capability with regard to my own moderation practices soon to be put into action, it is possible to merge threads that have been accidentally (or deliberately, but unnecessarily) split. I have yet to play with this, though. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: transition from IE to Microsoft Edge
Hi, NV Access is actively researching these and other issues. There is a much more critical issue that’s being researched at this very moment, and the current research result is that you’ll need to upgrade to the next Windows 10 feature upgrade to take advantage of the fix for that issue (more on that soon). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ame
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:11 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] transition from IE to Microsoft Edge
It’s interesting that I hadn’t encountered that issue till the last Win10 update. Sorry I didn’t specify to begin with. Would’ve helped, huh? lol That’s not a problem so long as some of the transition issues get dealt with... You know, like hitting V for visited links and B for buttons an any other differences between the two I haven’t encountered yet. Again, they’re only marginally inconvenient but they are, nevertheless, inconvenient. Anybody got any pointers? New shortcut keys? New work arounds? Anyway, all things considered, Edge has become quite a bit more screen reader friendly thank goodness.
Thanks for all your help. Have a good evening.
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Re: dropbox working
Gene
As far as I know, you will get such a notice even
if you didn't sign up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall,
I didn't elect to get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I
don't know if you will get such a notice but I have public links and I
did.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi.
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List Moderation
#adminnotice
Nimer Jaber
Hello all, I have been keeping an eye on list traffic over the past couple of days, and have waited for things to settle down a bit before coming on board. I wish to take this opportunity to say a couple of things, and to start something new for this list.
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Re: dropbox needs something done to it
Gene
If you are asking how to send someone a link to a
file that isn't a public link, it is very similar to sending a public
link.
Move to the file you want to share, open the
context menu, look for copy Dropbox link and press enter. The link will be
copied to your clipboard. paste it wherever you want and change the 0 at
the end to a 1.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to
it Hi, How does one do that?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Hi, Have everyone send you dl=0 links, and you can download them directly without going into drop box at all. Changing that 1 to a 0 is so important. Take care, David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Shaun Everiss
Hi all. Dropbox has decided to disable public folders, not a problem for us basic users. I don't use them anyway. Sadly they have also disabled web page renders. That in itself while not ideal is not usually an issue. However it appears to have broken every other render. For example the dl=1 links don't work, I had to sign in and save 2 files from a twitter to my dropbox which I then killed again after I was done. I then tried my own links, same thing they didn't work just said page not found. I then decided ok lets try the direct method. I hit in both ie11 and latest firefox, 1, hit the download button. Nothing, hit the more options menu in firefox selected direct download. Nothing happened, nothing in my downloads list. As a platform, I really like dropbox its been my rock for ages and ages. However I don't want to be forced to have to save all the files I get to my folder or to put it another way I don't want to have to force everyone that gets my files to have to sign in to a dropbox account. There is probably a way to get things but things are not that accessible. I have used dropbox since year 0! But I will have no choice but to clear dropbox and only use it for shares. True I have mega because I needed to use it for a large file, and true I could get another free cloud solution but really. I refuse to pay just to have the facility to download a file! I am a basic user, I don't care about rendering webpages, I just want to be able to play audio files which sadly just error out in both ff and ie and or download them so I can play them in winamp and anything else I have. I could use google drive but my beef with this is that like dropbox the page for downloads isn't much better. The way dropbox seems to have gone, I am not sure what I can do, I may signup to dropbox forum and or try to contact them directly but if someone can see different things than I can well look at this here link https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=1 That won't work. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=0 this will, its just the sound recorder from xp, I was able to click the more options menu then direct download, then I was able to click download. Am I missing an important thing or what. Can you get the file without saving to dropbox on your side. If the answer is no, I will probably have to use mega for files or google drive. I hate the google drive download pages but they work enough for downloads. I am pritty sure a damn sightling can download the file.
I am not sure if dropbox cares at this point.
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I agree. I don't see any need at this point for
closing the thread. In fact, this topic actually could grow to be very useful.
Please, people, just be sure to keep the subject line rellavent. I'm not a mod,
but might I please ask this one favor? That's all I ask. It's not a big deal,
and no hard feelings whatsoever. It's all good as far as I'm
concerned.
Chris.
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Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?
Gene
there may be a small number of people using the web
interface. I've used the interface very rarely to look something up and to
perform moderation. What questions do you have? I might be able to
answer at least some of them by looking at the web interface and trying to do
whatever you are asking about efficiently.
while the thread is specialized as to subject, it
may present useful discussion for Internet navigation that may help some people
navigate web pages better.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via
the Groups.io web interface? If so I have some questions about how you choose to navigate the Messages page for a Groups.io group and to read the actual topic threads themselves when you open them. I really don't know if this topic is appropriate, or of interest, for public discussion here. If it is not, will the group owner or moderator please post saying that this sort of discussion should be taken off-list. It's definitely NVDA related, but in a very specific context. Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
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Re: dropbox working
Arlene
Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Hi.
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Re: dropbox needs something done to it
Arlene
Hi, How does one do that?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-18-16 1:36 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox needs something done to it
Hi, Have everyone send you dl=0 links, and you can download them directly without going into drop box at all. Changing that 1 to a 0 is so important. Take care, David Moore Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Shaun Everiss
Hi all. Dropbox has decided to disable public folders, not a problem for us basic users. I don't use them anyway. Sadly they have also disabled web page renders. That in itself while not ideal is not usually an issue. However it appears to have broken every other render. For example the dl=1 links don't work, I had to sign in and save 2 files from a twitter to my dropbox which I then killed again after I was done. I then tried my own links, same thing they didn't work just said page not found. I then decided ok lets try the direct method. I hit in both ie11 and latest firefox, 1, hit the download button. Nothing, hit the more options menu in firefox selected direct download. Nothing happened, nothing in my downloads list. As a platform, I really like dropbox its been my rock for ages and ages. However I don't want to be forced to have to save all the files I get to my folder or to put it another way I don't want to have to force everyone that gets my files to have to sign in to a dropbox account. There is probably a way to get things but things are not that accessible. I have used dropbox since year 0! But I will have no choice but to clear dropbox and only use it for shares. True I have mega because I needed to use it for a large file, and true I could get another free cloud solution but really. I refuse to pay just to have the facility to download a file! I am a basic user, I don't care about rendering webpages, I just want to be able to play audio files which sadly just error out in both ff and ie and or download them so I can play them in winamp and anything else I have. I could use google drive but my beef with this is that like dropbox the page for downloads isn't much better. The way dropbox seems to have gone, I am not sure what I can do, I may signup to dropbox forum and or try to contact them directly but if someone can see different things than I can well look at this here link https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=1 That won't work. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oqodz6nmmf2hx2/soundrecorder.7z?dl=0 this will, its just the sound recorder from xp, I was able to click the more options menu then direct download, then I was able to click download. Am I missing an important thing or what. Can you get the file without saving to dropbox on your side. If the answer is no, I will probably have to use mega for files or google drive. I hate the google drive download pages but they work enough for downloads. I am pritty sure a damn sightling can download the file.
I am not sure if dropbox cares at this point.
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