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Re: Odd one with Add-On Updater

 

If memory serves Add-On Updater uses files created by the add-on developers to determine what is the latest version.  I seem to remember this occurring once or twice in the past when an add-on itself was updated but there was an oversight about updating the file that Add-On Updater uses to determine what the latest version is.

It would also make sense, at least to me, that if what Add-On Updater sees as the currently installed add-on version number is higher than whatever is indicated as the latest version in the reference file that it would accept that add-on as current, notifying the user that it has done so.  I don't know whether it would be possible to trigger an e-mail to the add-on developer if this situation occurs, but that would likely be helpful in resolving this sort of issue promptly as well.  Never having seen the code nor programmed in Python, I really don't know whether either one of these things would be a so-called "easy fix" or close to impossible.
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Re: NVDA is not working in Excel 2019

 

Just for the record, it's also behaving similarly in Excel 2016.  What's even stranger is if you bring up the Font dialog via CTRL+SHIFT+F it's reporting the font name and style (probably size, too, but I stopped after the first two) as blank when there is clearly a font name and regular in the respective boxes.
 
There is an active issue open for this on GitHub:  Font information not read in Cell Format dialog in Excel 2016 / 365
If you have a GitHub account, you may wish to add a comment.  I just did because I'm having the same issues you're having.
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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Odd one with Add-On Updater

Roger Stewart
 

When I started up this morning, I got a notice from add on updater that a new version of the mp3 direct cut add on is available.  I did update to the latest version yesterday.  I actually have 20.12 installed but add on updater thinks that 19.12 is the current version.  For now I'll just tell add on updater to not check for updates of this add on but hope this can get fixed.


Roger


Re: Browsing eclipse documentation with NVDA

 

Please provide the web address(es), and some examples of what it is that you can't get to.

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA and Math

Josh Kennedy
 

you could also do a Google search for the free math viewer ad on for NVDA. It will take standard latex and ascii math and will convert it to math ML and put it in a browse mode buffer for you to review with speech or braille. As long as math player is installed first.


Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Ann Byrne
 

With the cursor on the line that says something like "five columns and three rows", press f8. That will select the whole table with formatting. Copy and paste it into the Word document.

At 01:40 AM 12/7/2020, you wrote:
Hi all,

I need to copy some tables from a web page into a word document while
preserving their formatting. How do I do this?
See the page at the following link.
https://gcn.com/Articles/2009/12/15/ICS2-secure-software-life-cycle.aspx?Pag
e=2

Pranav




NVDA is not working in Excel 2019

Vinod Benjamin
 

Dear Team,

I am using NVDA 2020.3 with MS office 2019 , in Excel while checking
the formating tab Nvda is not reading the font name or the colour and
also in finding the font by using Nvda key plus F NVDA Reads as there
is no ^ .
is there any workaround.
Regards,

Vinod Benjamin


Browsing eclipse documentation with NVDA

Mohammed Alderweesh <alderweesh.m@...>
 

Hi All,

I am trying to browse the online documentation for the Eclipse IDE with NVDA, but I am having difficulties.  My problem is I can’t get to the main area of the documentation. Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you .

Mohammed


How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Pranav Lal
 

Hi all,

I need to copy some tables from a web page into a word document while
preserving their formatting. How do I do this?
See the page at the following link.
https://gcn.com/Articles/2009/12/15/ICS2-secure-software-life-cycle.aspx?Pag
e=2

Pranav


Re: NVDA and Math

Tony Malykh
 

Regarding access8math, it doesn't need MathPlayer. Actually I couldn't figure out how to use MathPlayer either, but Access8Math works perfectly. But I only tested it on wikipedia formulas, not sure how it works with other types of formulas.

On 12/5/2020 12:33 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello all,

To circle back on a few threads earlier this fall, I have a few questions about accessing math content with NVDA. 

The NVDA user guide references MathPlayer. However, MathPlayer's site doesn't show any updates more recent than 2016. Is this accurate? If so, does it work with any of the newer browsers? 

For Lamda, does the add-on function outside of the Lambda application? I'm only dipping into linear algebra as a pre-req for a data science course so am not sure if getting the Lamda application is necessary/advisable. Does the Lambda add-on read math in webpages or word on its own? 

Lastly, how does access8math work with NVDA? Is it also reliant on the MathPlayer? 

so far, I've been unable to get the NVDA math hotkey (NVDA + alt+ m) to work under any circumstances, including in places that ChromeVox correctly identifies MathJax. 

Any and all guidance on how to start getting this working would be a huge help. I haven't ever done math through a screen reader and haven't done math of any kind since before 2005, not counting college stats classes when I had some residual vision. 

Thank you in advance!
Sally 


NVDACon20 - keynote with NV Access will be replayed in approximately 1.5 hours

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

if you could not join at the live keynote this year, you have one more chance to raise your questions and feedback. We will replay the keynote in 1.5 hours and will make sure that your questions will be directed to NV Access! Join us on Teamtalk and use the last opportunity to meet developers, users and other accessibility enthusiasts live on NVDACon 2020!

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


NVDACon20 - next session starts in 15 minutes

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

 

are you interested to know more about making music with Reaper, using Midi and Native Instruments? Then this session might be interesting for you. Join us online on the Teamtalk server or listen live via this stream link:

http://firestormhosting.net:8000/nvdacon.m3u

 

Best regards

Adriani

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

As it turns out, I can't check this myself. For an unknown reason, I don't see the reply to sender or however it is worded link in my Groups.io messages. However, the problem may be caused by browse mode and the actual location in the message not aligning, as happens on some web pages.

To experiment try the following:
In an opened message, turn Browse modeoff and tab to the link. for convenience, find a very short thread or one in which there is only one message. With browse mode still off, press enter on the link and see what happens. If the problem is that browse mode doesn't align with the actual underlying link, that would be an NVDA issue and would be treated very differently than if it is a Groups.io issue.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I may be on the verge of figuring out what is causing the problem. I'll
report after a little more investigation.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred
messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work
wonders.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At
this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an
accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I
give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender
link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird
bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy
to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate
it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire
message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:47 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred messages I get a day.
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No, Gene, you're not.  This is not the first, nor the last, time you fail to pay any attention or review a topic in its entirety.  And it's equally frustrating each and every time you do it, and then pretend it's an oversight.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I may be on the verge of figuring out what is causing the problem. I'll report after a little more investigation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred
messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work
wonders.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At
this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an
accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I
give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender
link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird
bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy
to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate
it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire
message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I'm sorry if I forgot or didn't notice a detail in the over two hundred messages I get a day. A little courtesey and consideration would work wonders.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.-
They work. And yes, we do. Do you not even bother reading the details I give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message: "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail. This is a Thunderbird bug. But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there." Entire message here from 3 days ago: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 08:55 PM, Gene wrote:
I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.
-
They work.  And yes, we do.  Do you not even bother reading the details I give for this very purpose?

From an earlier message:  "I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail.  This is a Thunderbird bug.  But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there."    Entire message here from 3 days ago:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/79440 
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I haven't used such links and I wonder if they have access to the address even if it doesn't appear in the message. But the links don't work in Thunderbird even in lists where the addresses are available in the headers and/or the from line. There is no response when the links are attempted to be followed. I tried enter, the NVDA default action command, and the simulated mouse. I wonder what happens when a sighted person clicks them with a mouse? At this point, we don't have information to conclude whether this is an accessibility problem or a general problem in Thunderbird.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Well, there are a couple possibilities here.
1. The group is truly hiding addresses either for privacy concerns, or to ensure that conversations go through the group. In this case, even if you look through the entire set of headers, you will not find the address.
2. There are ISP's that require that all e-mail sent with a from: of that ISP be certified as coming from an official SMTP server of the ISP. Therefore group mails have to change the from address to not have any remnants of the ISP.

For Google Groups, you can search the full headers for
x-original-from: and this will be the sender.
It might be that Outlook presents this because the from lines in Outlook are something like:
From Joe Smith on behalf of David Coperfield but I don't get any group mails on Outlook so I can't verify what Outlook is doing behind the scenes.


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Jonathan COHN
 

Well, there are a couple possibilities here. 
1. The group is truly hiding addresses either for privacy concerns, or to ensure that conversations go through the group. In this case, even if you look through the entire set of headers, you will not find the address.
2. There are ISP's that require that all e-mail sent with a from: of that ISP be certified as coming from an official SMTP server of the ISP. Therefore group mails have to change the from address to not have any remnants of the ISP. 

For Google Groups, you can search the full headers for 
x-original-from: and this will be the sender. 
It might be that Outlook presents this because the from lines in Outlook are something like:
From Joe Smith on behalf of David Coperfield but I don't get any group mails on Outlook so I can't verify what Outlook is doing behind the scenes.


Re: NVDA and Math

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Sally,

It has been a very long while since Math Player was updated, yes. Last
I checked with them, they responded saying they were unaware of the
future roadmap of Math Player. Also, if you can't get NVDA+Alt+M to
enter a Math expression, try pressing Enter instead; it often works.
Unfortunately, I am unable to be of much help with your other
questions.

Thanks.

On 12/6/20, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

To circle back on a few threads earlier this fall, I have a few questions
about accessing math content with NVDA.

The NVDA user guide references MathPlayer. However, MathPlayer's site
doesn't show any updates more recent than 2016. Is this accurate? If so,
does it work with any of the newer browsers?

For Lamda, does the add-on function outside of the Lambda application? I'm
only dipping into linear algebra as a pre-req for a data science course so
am not sure if getting the Lamda application is necessary/advisable. Does
the Lambda add-on read math in webpages or word on its own?

Lastly, how does access8math work with NVDA? Is it also reliant on the
MathPlayer?

so far, I've been unable to get the NVDA math hotkey (NVDA + alt+ m) to
work under any circumstances, including in places that ChromeVox correctly
identifies MathJax.

Any and all guidance on how to start getting this working would be a huge
help. I haven't ever done math through a screen reader and haven't done
math of any kind since before 2005, not counting college stats classes when
I had some residual vision.

Thank you in advance!
Sally





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