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Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Hi, I have now confirmed that your bug report was correct, but if you download the latest of the master branch from the snapshot page and install that it seems to have been fixed. I'd advise disabling test for updates though as otherwise you will be driven demented every couple of days with updates.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Heaven Botma" <heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:10 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010 Hi Group
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Re: NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
May I suggest that you try the master branch of the snapshots and if the problem is still present, go onto the development list and mention it on there. It may well be that a ticket or whatever we call them now needs to be raised as this should not be happening as I don't think it does in later versions from memory, anyone?
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Heaven Botma" <heaven@training-kaleidoscopesa.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 9:10 AM Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010 Hi Group
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NVDA 2016.3 AND REVIEW CURSOR
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
Hi Group
I have another minor bug to report in NVDA 2016.3, which affects me personally.
When one uses the Find and replace or word count dialogue, amongs others, as well as in some e-mails in Outlook 2010, it is necessary for one to use the review mode and review cursors to read these dialogues and e-mails. This has only been the case since NVDA 2016.3.
I use Office 2010 and the anniversary update of Window 10.
Kind regards
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Clarification needed on NVDA support for "aria-live" tag
Yohan Karunathilaka <yohan.karunathilaka@...>
Hi
We use NVDA to test our web applications against accessibility requirements and noticed the following issue. I could not find a contact mail address for technical person, therefore I’m using this mail address.
I would like to get more information as to whether there is something wrong we are doing from our end.
So here is the problem we notice.
In our application we have dialog popups where a user can enter data in to and if they happen to enter the wrong data, validation errors are thrown back to the user. These error messages are currently not readout by NVDA. Here is our source code. Appreciate your feedback on this.
Thanks,
Yohan
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Another software for radio broadcasting and recording also Tapin radio
Hello NVDA.
I don't know, where to post It. But, I have a pleasure. Do You know some software, very great for the blind to listen radio stations and record It. Also, It'll be great to know a names of songs. Or, some web service, which also view a name of songs for some streams. Really, I don't know, where to post this topic. Thank You for help. Marco Oros
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NVDA 2016.3 AND MS EXCEL 2010
Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
Hi Group
Ever since we upgraded to NVDA 2016.3, we have been experiencing a strange bug in Ms Excel 2010.
When one makes a mistake in Excel, and presses Escape to exit the cell (which, with every other version of NVDA simply exited the edit mode an brought one back to the cell as it previously appeared), one finds that NVDA automatically decides that one would like to be in browse mode. To clarify this, if I type a 0 by accident in Excel, and escape that cell and try to type again NVDA tells me that the specific letter or number is not available in this type of document. To solve this problem, it is necessary for me to do one of 2 things:
1. Close Excel and start all over again. or 2. Press Insert+Space to exit browse mode.
The chanses of my students or I using Browse mode in Excel are very low and it is not necessary for NVDA to assume that escape means I want to start using browse mode for some strange reason.
We will be able to go back to NVDA 2016.2.1 in the interim as our students have limited knowledge about computer and are writing exams over a fortnight.
Would you please look into this bug as soon as possible as it causes much frustration.
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Incidentally, if using Outlook Express I always turn off the preview pane as this can cause the html and other parts driven by scripts in the html to be pulled in and the same type of message to occur there. I'd imagine its the same on live mail.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message Thanks. I didn't think of that.
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Re: chromebooks and accessibility?
mattias
quick question
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tech zone? wich list are it? Den 2016-10-20 kl. 09:16, skrev Brian's Mail list account:
Its not windows, so no Nvda will not run on it, but Google may well have an accessible interface built in as the Android operating system has, but then, I'm not really a fan of cloud based apps never mind operating systems since by definition they need constant contact with the internet to work.
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Rosemarie Chavarria
Thanks. I didn't think of that.
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On 10/20/2016 4:02 PM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
1. Press enter on a message.
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Tyler Spivey
1. Press enter on a message.
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2. From here, go to the View menu, Message Body As. Either Simple HTML or Plain Text will stop that message. If you select Plain Text, you'll lose some things such as links. They either won't show up at all in the case of some of this list's messages (unsubscribe, mute, etc at the bottom), or turn into URLs.
On 10/20/2016 3:30 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Rosemarie Chavarria
How do I convert thunderbird to read in plain text?
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On 10/20/2016 2:17 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.
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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
Gene
There may be something I don't understand but if
unread messages are announced as unread, why does it matter if read messages are
announced as read? If you don't hear unread announced, the messages must
be read.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread
Messages Dear Gene,
I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:
1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.
2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.
3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.
Warmly, Ralph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I suspect you can't do anything about this. There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so. But why is that a problem? If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read. If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane. In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read. If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes. If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.
Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread. If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do. People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish. That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Boersema Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.
Ralph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Brian Vogel
One thing you need to remember is that the default
configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening,
which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read,
which is why you never hear unread. I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot
look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be
set. I know I have mine at about 5 seconds. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Gene
I seem to recall, a number of months ago, this
problem discussed here or on another list I follow. The only solution, in
my recollection, was to use an earlier version of Thunderbird and not allow it
to update. Aside from that solution, I would expect that reading mail as
plain text, as I said, would also solve the problem.
It may be that this issue should be raised with
NVDA developers to see if it can be solved from the NVDA standpoint. But
it appears that something changed in Thunderbird wich causes this to be
read.
There may be other solutions which people who use
Thunderbird have come up with but I don't recall seeing any in the
past.
While I doubt this will help, turning off reading
of dynamic content could be attempted. But I'm doubtful that this will
solve the problem.
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message
even before opening a message from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail with remote content in the first place. One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so really you need to decide which is the most convenient way. The chances are that you will be able to silently block this content as happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not offer this choice. Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past. it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by default. it may be malicious. If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting. As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done. Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by opening a message. If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow remote content by default. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message Hi Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in thunderbird. You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages mined is checked so it allows it. On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it can be found on the website. So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get tthat message or not. hope this helps. Gene nz On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > > I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but > now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy" > message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get > that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before > opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering. > > > Thanks. > > > Rosemarie > > > > -- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Kevin Cussick
CORRECT, sorry caps was on anyway correct just read in plain text and it will stop saying this.
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On 20/10/2016 20:20, Gene wrote:
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
I get that too, and have done so since opening thunderbird for the first time. It's configurable in the security settings, but I haven't bothered to change it yet as it hasn't irritated me enough just yet. :)
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On 10/20/2016 12:49 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Yes, even good old Outlook Express will block attempts for an emails html from getting remote content. I'd be a bit wary of whoever is sending mail with remote content in the first place.
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One issue with reading in plain text is that links ewill probably need to be cut and pasted into address bars which can be an issue on some of the gibberish links one sees on newsletters from systems like mail chimp etc, so really you need to decide which is the most convenient way. The chances are that you will be able to silently block this content as happens on Microsoft mail clients. Seems odd to me that Thunderbird does not offer this choice. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the past. it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm sure there is another much safer solution. there is a reason that remote content is not allowed by default. it may be malicious. If a solution involves lowering security, another solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting. As one example, if you allow remote content and inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a result. I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be done. Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content is allowed just by opening a message. If you don't want these warnings, it is my understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number, this message will not be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is read from html to text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail programs don't allow remote content by default. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene New Zealand Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message Hi Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in thunderbird. You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages mined is checked so it allows it. On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it can be found on the website. So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get tthat message or not. hope this helps. Gene nz On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: Hi, everyone,-- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
Ralph Boersema
Dear Gene,
I appreciate your help. Let me explain again:
1. My problem is that NVDA is not announcing unread messages.
2. My unread messages have been set so that they do not open automatically.
3. When I open a folder, Nvda announces that I am in table view. I then have the list of messages. I can read them only after keying “Enter “and so opening a message. What I find is that before opening a specific message, I can arrow up and down through the list of messages, they are announced in turn, but the ones I have not opened (and that are visually marked as unread) are not announced as unread, as they used to be in Outlook 2007.
Warmly, Ralph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 2:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
I suspect you can't do anything about this. There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't programmed to do so. But why is that a problem? If unread messages are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read. If you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the view pane. In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it, showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will be shown as read. If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open it. Also, you may be able to change the time a message is opened before its status changes. If you can make the time long enough, you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message briefly.
Also, you may have some reason we don't know why you want to have announced what is both read and unread. If you tell us if you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to do. People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish. That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be better.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Boersema Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.
Ralph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
One thing you need to remember is that the default configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening, which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read, which is why you never hear unread. I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be set. I know I have mine at about 5 seconds. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Gene
First, I'll say that I'm not a tech and those with
more technical knowledge may disagree with the following but this is what I
understand to be the case from reading and thinking about this question in the
past.
it is a bad idea to allow remote content. I'm
sure there is another much safer solution. there is a reason that remote
content is not allowed by default. it may be malicious.
If a solution involves lowering security, another
solution should be sought before deciding whether you want to use the program
enough to take a chance of lowering an important security setting.
As one example, if you allow remote content and
inadvertently open a spam message, that spam message may be able to tell the
spam sender that you are a live address and you may get more spam as a
result. I don't know technically enough about this to discuss it more
fully except to say that somehow, allowing remote content allows this to be
done.
Malware can be sent to a computer if remote content
is allowed just by opening a message.
If you don't want these warnings, it is my
understanding that if you get a version of thunderbird before a certain number,
this message will not be spoken. I also expect that changing how mail is
read from html to text would stop this message. Whatever the case, there
is a reason why not only thunderb ird, but other widely used Windows e-mail
programs don't allow remote content by default.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting the "to protect your privacy" message
even before opening a message Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in thunderbird. You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages mined is checked so it allows it. On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it can be found on the website. So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get tthat message or not. hope this helps. Gene nz On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote: > Hi, everyone, > > > I don't know if any of you have seen this before in thunderbird but > now in some of my messages I'm getting the "to protect your privacy" > message before even opening them. I never saw this before. I would get > that mesage when opening an email but now I'm getting it before > opening a message. Is there a way to change this? Just wondering. > > > Thanks. > > > Rosemarie > > > > -- Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: getting the "to protect your privacy" message even before opening a message
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
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Have a look under the tools then options then privacy settings in thunderbird. You will be looking for a setting called Allow remote content in messages mined is checked so it allows it. On some pages when they are sent they say do not send the content but it can be found on the website. So depending if you have this box checked or not is weather you get tthat message or not. hope this helps. Gene nz
On 21/10/2016 5:49 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone, --
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
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Re: Outlook 2016 and Unread Messages
Gene
I suspect you can't do anything about this.
There is an icon that NVDA isn't announcing, I suspect because it isn't
programmed to do so. But why is that a problem? If unread messages
are announced as unread, then the only other thing they can be is read. If
you want more control of whether the status of an announcement changes from
unread to read, you may be able to control this completely by turning off the
view pane. In e-mail programs with the view pane on, as I understand it,
showing a message in the view pane is actually opening the message and they will
be shown as read. If the view pane is off, then you can arrow to a message
in the list and not open it and it will be announced as unread until you open
it.
Also, you may be able to change the time a message
is opened before its status changes. If you can make the time long enough,
you may be able to leave the viewpane opened and still have a message shown as
unread if you arrow through the message list and stop on a message
briefly.
Also, you may have some reason we don't know why
you want to have announced what is both read and unread. If you tell us if
you use the different flags for certain purposes, for example, organizing mail
in certain ways, you may get suggestions you can use to do whatever you want to
do. People often don't get good help because they only ask how to do
something and don't explain what they are actually trying to accomplish.
That means that the only discussion is specifically about how to do the exact
thing that is asked for even when other solutions may be available and may be
better.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2016 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and Unread
Messages That’s taken care of. My wife can see that the unread messages are marked both with a blue font and a closed envelope.
Ralph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
One thing you need to remember is that the default
configuration for Outlook is to mark a message read immediately upon opening,
which means that by landing on a message it is automatically and instantly read,
which is why you never hear unread. I'm in a rush at the moment so cannot
look up where in the Outlook options the "mark messages as read" delay can be
set. I know I have mine at about 5 seconds. Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. ~ Lauren Bacall
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