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Re: NVDA and Google Sheets/Docs

Babcock LDPVI
 

Kerry:


Yes, it should do as Google Sheets and Docs have been designed to work with NVDA.

I have created a few help videos about using NVDA, keyboard shortcuts and Google Docs- the playlist can be found on YouTube here.

Also the same videos appear on my blog, together with full written transcripts and you can find that here.

Thanks, 



Re: FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:
Thanks for that idea. I just tried it and it works like a charm.

On 9/12/16, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:
Good idea, Chris! I'll add that.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Mullins
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

That's a good tip, I hadn't realised the search criteria would be retained
without pressing enter and getting the full context of the first occurrence
is much better. Perhaps you should mention the option to wrap to the other
end of the document after no more occurrences of the search criteria are
found This occurs when searching in either direction.

Cheers
Chris.

-----Original Message-----
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Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 September 2016 23:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

Daniel and friends,

My colleague, Ronan McGuirk and I have worked out a procedure almost
identical to that which Daniel has just posted. However, when we were
testing this, we found it best not to press the enter key after typing the
search word as you then only hear the actual word but not the full line in
which the word is located. Not pressing enter means that when you press the
escape key, you are placed at the same point on the screen where you
started. Pressing control-PageDown then places you on the first occurrence
of the search word and NVDA speaks the whole line containing the search
word.

Here is what we propose:
-----------------

How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA 2016.3.

Use the normal NVDA focus mode for editing not NVDA browse mode.

This approach lets you search forward from your current position in the
document.
If you want to search the entire document move to the top.
press control F and type the search term. Don't press enter.
press escape
This will return you to the document in edit mode at your start
position. Every occurrence of your search term is highlighted in the
document.
Press control-pagedown repeatedly to hear the search results in context one
by one.
Press control-pageUp repeatedly to go back up through the list of results.

I tested this with Word 2010 and NVDA 2016.3 on Windows 8.1. It seems to
work reliably.

I think Word 2013 is a little more obvious, but at least this is a better
solution for Word 2010.

In summary then:
1. Press control+f
2. Type some text to search for
3. Press escape
4. Press control+pageDown

Repeated presses of control-PageDown or control-PageUp will move back and
forth to the nearest line where the search text has been found and speak the
whole line.

All comments welcome,


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: We may see some really great Sounding TTS in the near feature

Devin Prater
 

I do hope that screen readers get this option for synthesizers. We still don't have the Google TTS as an NVDA addon.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 6:47 AM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

yes this does apply to NVDA or i hope it will in the future very soon!




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: We may see some really great Sounding TTS in the near feature
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:01:48 -0700
From: Warren Carr <warcarr@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free@...


I was reading a blog post from WaveNet and I was blown away by some of the stuff that they are doing.

 

I can’t wait to have those voices on our devices!

 

Here’s is the extract, followed by the URL to the page, and be sure to head over to that page, and take a listen to some of those voices.

 

If you don’t want to read while you are on the page, you can simply hit letter B, to take you to the “play button.”

 

The first ones are demonstrating how the current Google TTS sound, and then the latter ones, demonstrate the more modern sounding ones.

 

There are a couple other languages in there besides U.S. English and Chinese.

 

Quote:

 

This post presents WaveNet

, a deep generative model of raw audio waveforms. We show that WaveNets are able to generate speech which mimics any human voice and which sounds more

natural than the best existing Text-to-Speech systems, reducing the gap with human performance by over 50%.

 

We also demonstrate that the same network can be used to synthesize other audio signals such as music, and present some striking samples of automatically

generated piano pieces.

 

Talking Machines

 

Allowing people to converse with machines is a long-standing dream of human-computer interaction. The ability of computers to understand natural speech

has been revolutionised in the last few years by the application of deep neural networks (e.g., Google Voice Search ). However, generating speech with computers

 — a process usually referred to as

speech synthesis

or text-to-speech (TTS) — is still largely based on so-called concatenative TTS , where a very large database of short speech fragments are recorded from

a single speaker and then recombined to form complete utterances. This makes it difficult to modify the voice (for example switching to a different speaker,

or altering the emphasis or emotion of their speech) without recording a whole new database.

 

This has led to a great demand for parametric TTS

, where all the information required to generate the data is stored in the parameters of the model, and the contents and characteristics of the speech

can be controlled via the inputs to the model. So far, however, parametric TTS has tended to sound less natural than concatenative, at least for syllabic

languages such as English. Existing parametric models typically generate audio signals by passing their outputs through signal processing algorithms known

as

vocoders .

 

WaveNet changes this paradigm by directly modelling the raw waveform of the audio signal, one sample at a time. As well as yielding more natural-sounding

speech, using raw waveforms means that WaveNet can model any kind of audio, including music.

 

WaveNets

 

Wave animation

 

Researchers usually avoid modelling raw audio because it ticks so quickly: typically 16,000 samples per second or more, with important structure at many

time-scales. Building a completely autoregressive model, in which the prediction for every one of those samples is influenced by all previous ones (in

statistics-speak, each predictive distribution is conditioned on all previous observations), is clearly a challenging task.

 

However, our PixelRNN and PixelCNN

 models, published earlier this year, showed that it was possible to generate complex natural images not only one pixel at a time, but one colour-channel

at a time, requiring thousands of predictions per image. This inspired us to adapt our two-dimensional PixelNets to a one-dimensional WaveNet.

 

Architecture animation

 

The above animation shows how a WaveNet is structured. It is a fully convolutional neural network, where the convolutional layers have various dilation

factors that allow its receptive field to grow exponentially with depth and cover thousands of timesteps.

 

At training time, the input sequences are real waveforms recorded from human speakers. After training, we can sample the network to generate synthetic

utterances. At each step during sampling a value is drawn from the probability distribution computed by the network. This value is then fed back into the

input and a new prediction for the next step is made. Building up samples one step at a time like this is computationally expensive, but we have found

it essential for generating complex, realistic-sounding audio.

 

Improving the State of the Art

 

We trained WaveNet using some of Google’s TTS datasets so we could evaluate its performance. The following figure shows the quality of WaveNets on a scale

from 1 to 5, compared with Google’s current best TTS systems (

parametric and concatenative

), and with human speech using 

Mean Opinion Scores (MOS)

. MOS are a standard measure for subjective sound quality tests, and were obtained in blind tests with human subjects (from over 500 ratings on 100 test

sentences). As we can see, WaveNets reduce the gap between the state of the art and human-level performance by over 50% for both US English and Mandarin

Chinese.

 

For both Chinese and English, Google’s current TTS systems are considered among the best worldwide, so improving on both with a single model is a major

achievement.

 

Here are some samples from all three systems so you can listen and compare yourself:

End of quote from:

 

https://deepmind.com/blog/wavenet-generative-model-raw-audio/

 

What do you think?

 

Warren

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We may see some really great Sounding TTS in the near feature

Josh Kennedy
 

yes this does apply to NVDA or i hope it will in the future very soon!




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: We may see some really great Sounding TTS in the near feature
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 22:01:48 -0700
From: Warren Carr <warcarr@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free@...


I was reading a blog post from WaveNet and I was blown away by some of the stuff that they are doing.

 

I can’t wait to have those voices on our devices!

 

Here’s is the extract, followed by the URL to the page, and be sure to head over to that page, and take a listen to some of those voices.

 

If you don’t want to read while you are on the page, you can simply hit letter B, to take you to the “play button.”

 

The first ones are demonstrating how the current Google TTS sound, and then the latter ones, demonstrate the more modern sounding ones.

 

There are a couple other languages in there besides U.S. English and Chinese.

 

Quote:

 

This post presents WaveNet

, a deep generative model of raw audio waveforms. We show that WaveNets are able to generate speech which mimics any human voice and which sounds more

natural than the best existing Text-to-Speech systems, reducing the gap with human performance by over 50%.

 

We also demonstrate that the same network can be used to synthesize other audio signals such as music, and present some striking samples of automatically

generated piano pieces.

 

Talking Machines

 

Allowing people to converse with machines is a long-standing dream of human-computer interaction. The ability of computers to understand natural speech

has been revolutionised in the last few years by the application of deep neural networks (e.g., Google Voice Search ). However, generating speech with computers

 — a process usually referred to as

speech synthesis

or text-to-speech (TTS) — is still largely based on so-called concatenative TTS , where a very large database of short speech fragments are recorded from

a single speaker and then recombined to form complete utterances. This makes it difficult to modify the voice (for example switching to a different speaker,

or altering the emphasis or emotion of their speech) without recording a whole new database.

 

This has led to a great demand for parametric TTS

, where all the information required to generate the data is stored in the parameters of the model, and the contents and characteristics of the speech

can be controlled via the inputs to the model. So far, however, parametric TTS has tended to sound less natural than concatenative, at least for syllabic

languages such as English. Existing parametric models typically generate audio signals by passing their outputs through signal processing algorithms known

as

vocoders .

 

WaveNet changes this paradigm by directly modelling the raw waveform of the audio signal, one sample at a time. As well as yielding more natural-sounding

speech, using raw waveforms means that WaveNet can model any kind of audio, including music.

 

WaveNets

 

Wave animation

 

Researchers usually avoid modelling raw audio because it ticks so quickly: typically 16,000 samples per second or more, with important structure at many

time-scales. Building a completely autoregressive model, in which the prediction for every one of those samples is influenced by all previous ones (in

statistics-speak, each predictive distribution is conditioned on all previous observations), is clearly a challenging task.

 

However, our PixelRNN and PixelCNN

 models, published earlier this year, showed that it was possible to generate complex natural images not only one pixel at a time, but one colour-channel

at a time, requiring thousands of predictions per image. This inspired us to adapt our two-dimensional PixelNets to a one-dimensional WaveNet.

 

Architecture animation

 

The above animation shows how a WaveNet is structured. It is a fully convolutional neural network, where the convolutional layers have various dilation

factors that allow its receptive field to grow exponentially with depth and cover thousands of timesteps.

 

At training time, the input sequences are real waveforms recorded from human speakers. After training, we can sample the network to generate synthetic

utterances. At each step during sampling a value is drawn from the probability distribution computed by the network. This value is then fed back into the

input and a new prediction for the next step is made. Building up samples one step at a time like this is computationally expensive, but we have found

it essential for generating complex, realistic-sounding audio.

 

Improving the State of the Art

 

We trained WaveNet using some of Google’s TTS datasets so we could evaluate its performance. The following figure shows the quality of WaveNets on a scale

from 1 to 5, compared with Google’s current best TTS systems (

parametric and concatenative

), and with human speech using 

Mean Opinion Scores (MOS)

. MOS are a standard measure for subjective sound quality tests, and were obtained in blind tests with human subjects (from over 500 ratings on 100 test

sentences). As we can see, WaveNets reduce the gap between the state of the art and human-level performance by over 50% for both US English and Mandarin

Chinese.

 

For both Chinese and English, Google’s current TTS systems are considered among the best worldwide, so improving on both with a single model is a major

achievement.

 

Here are some samples from all three systems so you can listen and compare yourself:

End of quote from:

 

https://deepmind.com/blog/wavenet-generative-model-raw-audio/

 

What do you think?

 

Warren

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NVDA and LibreOffice

Walmir Schultz
 

Hi,

I am using LibreOffice 5.2.0.4 and NVDA 2016.3.
In other versions of both applications, I've found various problems and strange behaviors.
To site only one example: in a cell in Calc I have a formula with gives me a result that is formatted with three places at right of the decimal point; NVDA reads much more than the three digits, but when I copy the result to clipboard with CTRL+C and call NVDA+C, NVDA reads the contents of the clipboard, wich is the number withe three digits at the right of the decimal point.
In every update of NVDA I see improvements relating to MS Office, but nothing related with LibreOffice.
I think that since someone is using a free screen reader, it is clear he will probably use a free office suite. So why LibreOffice is not a priority?

Best regards.
Walmir


Re: windows 10 offer for those using accessability

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Chris,

The Windows 10 upgrade for those using assistive technology is available here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/accessibility/windows10upgrade

Also re the anniversary update, if you haven't got it yet, there are several reasons why that might be.  A post on How to Geek has a few answers: http://www.howtogeek.com/270846/why-your-pc-hasnt-received-the-latest-windows-update-yet-and-how-to-get-it/

The main reasons are likely:
- You only recently upgraded to Windows 10, or the previous big update
- You have updates set to deferred on your system
- Your hardware is a bit older - Microsoft is rolling the update out slower to some hardware configurations to keep an eye on any potential problems.

In any case, according to the article:

"Either head to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update > Learn More or just visit the Windows 10 update history web page. Click the “Get the Anniversary Update Now” link here and download the tool provided by Microsoft.

Run the Windows 10 Update Assistant and it will automatically download and install the Anniversary Update on your PC, even if it isn’t being offered through Windows Update at the moment."


Regards


Quentin.


On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:04 PM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

Hi

I still have not had the anniversary update and have not found any details of the Windows  10 offer for people using accessibility.  I have a friend who would like to update to W10 so could you please provide a link to the offer details and installer download?

 

Cheers

Chris

nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: 12 September 2016 05:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 offer for those using accessability

 

Hi, had downloaded the installer for those using accessability after the aniversery update was over, but it keeps saying can't connect.

Please help




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Windows 10 upgrade for assistive technology users

Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...>
 

The link to the Windows 10 accessibility upgrade process is below - you may have to paste it into your browser.
The page which the link opens has an "Upgrade now" button near the bottom.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgrade


Re: windows 10 offer for those using accessability

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I still have not had the anniversary update and have not found any details of the Windows  10 offer for people using accessibility.  I have a friend who would like to update to W10 so could you please provide a link to the offer details and installer download?

 

Cheers

Chris

nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: 12 September 2016 05:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 offer for those using accessability

 

Hi, had downloaded the installer for those using accessability after the aniversery update was over, but it keeps saying can't connect.

Please help


NVDA and Google Sheets/Docs

Kerry Fielding <littlemisslovely1973@...>
 

Hi.  I saw a thread relating to this topic and now I can’t seem to find it.  Does NVDA work with these two apps? 

 

Cheers.

 

Kerry


Re: To all xp users who were running dropbox

Igor Kaplan
 

Mike,

Mike,

 

  So, I don’t really understand, why did you bother to write the message below, and it is not a first message for the same subject.

  You did not give any details, you don’t give any links, how to make the machine working on windows xp, you keep saying, “it works”. Well, don’t you fill, everyone is very happy for you already, and every time when someone having problem with windows xp he or she will think about you and fill much better.

 

  Do you think, it is a good time to volunteer little more information, how about some details? Beside giving an exact date since which you still under windows xp.

  Give some thoughts.

 

  Sincerely

 

  Igor

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

yes, it sure can be used, i have been using it this way since the 31 of aug.

 

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

I was able to log in using your procedure.  It appears that I can use Drop Box though I haven't done any testing to be sure that it works properly after I log in.  It treated my login as though Drop Box were on a new machine and took awhile to index the files I already had in the Drop Box folder on my machine.  But after awhile, it changed its system tray message to up to date.  So it appears that even though Drop box sent messages saying it can't be used with XP any longer, it may be able to be.

 

GGene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

And what happens when you close the program and run it again or when you do the same thing by rebooting? 

 

Perhaps there is a bugg in the Drop Box system that allows you to use the program in this way but it is not what is intended.  I received two messages before the termination date telling me that the program can't be used and you can't log in using the program itself.  If you can do so using the procedure you gave, that would be useful to know.  But I doubt it is just a one time procedure.  I suspect you have to do so every time you close and reopen the program or every time you do the equivalent by rebooting.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:57 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

u r not getting i t, when u launch db for the first time, it takes you to
the page in the browser, u log into it, db then starts normally and logs u
in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


Yes, it takes you to exactly the same web page you can go to if you go
directly to the site itself by opening your browser and going there
directly.  You are logging into use Drop Box with your browser.  You are not
using the Drop Box desktop program.  All you are doing is using control g to
have the program run your default browser and open the login page.  If you
look in the system tray, you will see that the program says starting and it
never progresses.  You can't use the desktop program to access Send Space
other than to have it open the login page in your browser and that you can
do directly in your browser.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


yes, u can, it will say press control plus g to log in, it takes you to a
web page to log in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


I'm not sure what you are describing.  You have to log in using the Drop Box
desktop program as far as I know.  You can't log in using a browser and then
use the desk top program without logging in with that program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Capelle
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


i ran the ninite file, and it installed db, than i ran mozilla firefox to
log in, and had no issues.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


I don't know why it is working forMike.  It doesn't work here with XP and I
haven't heard anything indicating that it works in general.  Perhaps there
is something about Mike's machine that isn't standard.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


I can't believe Drop box still works for xp. I'm glad it still does for
those who use it. My xp box died a long time ago!  My very first xp box quit
serving me when I started using jaws 11.  It couldn’t handle it. I had to
give it to a sighted user. Yes, with it I had drop box.  I was going into
chat rooms that used tc conference. The second box I got from a friend. it
died shortly after I got my 7 box witch I still have.  I'm happy with 7. If
I get or end up with ten so be it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: September-11-16 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

oh my gosh dude, chill the f*** out, everyone is different.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


> Yeah but the majority of folks on heredon't use  them POS machines? No.
> I've got nothing else to say. Happy fanagaling guys.
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>> Lino, there's no need to take that sort of tone, especially when you're
>> wrong.
>>
>> It is possible to adjust Windows XP so that it gets updates intended for
>> Point
>> of Sale (POS) terminals, and these continue until April 9th, 2019.
>>
>> You may not wish to continue using Windows XP yourself, but please don't
>> be so
>> abusive (or misinformed) towards those who do, and who know what they're
>> doing
>> to keep it going.
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 11 Sep 2016 at 18:05, Lino Morales wrote:
>>
>>> Say what? Where the hell did you hear this from MR.
>>> Bryian.uk.co.missinformed? Supported officially ended for XP on APR.
>>> 2014. Its high time you all get off the XP trainwreck. Dropbox did
>>> indeed end their support. Fanagle it to work to your little hearts
>>> content.
>>>
>>> On 9/11/2016 6:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>>>> Actually it will let you in with a very old version, but not if its
>>>> running on xp.
>>>> It obviously detects the operating system. They have sent out many
>>>> messages from well over a month ago warning people about this and it
>>>> did actually last an extra day. I see now they are claiming that its a
>>>> security issue with xp as its not been updated for over two years,
>>>> however many of us do have xp  updates till 2019, and really should
>>>> not be all  shoved together with the great unwashed as it seems xp
>>>> users are seen these days.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arno Schuh"
>>>> <arno.schuh@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> the update of Dropbox is pushed by one or more entries in scheduled
>>>>> tasks. So it would be possible to stop the Dropbox client to update
>>>>> itself. But as I wrote in my last mail - it didn't matter. Dropbox
>>>>> didn't let you in with an old version of the client.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours sincerely
>>>>>
>>>>> Arno
>
>
>
>
















Re: iTunes and NVDA.

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

I would assume we’re all using different synthesizers. I personally find that iTunes crashes on my laptop, and can kill NVDA at the same time, if I try to do things too fast, for example searching for a song to buy while I’m downloading another. I don’t know if users of other screenreaders have the same crashing problem with iTunes that NVDA users do, but if they do that means there may be a fault with iTunes for Windows when used with screenreaders, rather than just NVDA not always being compatible. That’s my theory about iTunes, after several months of it sometimes crashing for me and sometimes not: I’d certainly be interested to know whether iTunes misbehaves with other screenreaders, something I can’t test as I only have NVDA on my PC.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: lundi 12 septembre 2016 01:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

 

The message describing the problem said more like silent speech.  That implies that speech is crashing.  And that raises the question of what synthesizers people are using, which may account for the different results.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

 

Strange because i use nvda all the time and i can browse and the like
picking what i want no crashs of nvda this i can prove if people so wish
me to.


On 9/11/2016 11:58 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
> That good Ron, but as already stated by me and others NVDA still will
> crash. More like silence speech. This mess has been going on since V
> 2015.3 into the current version.
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 12:15 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
>> I am able to browse and use the Itunes store just fine with nvda, I
>> agree that Itunes needs a rewrite but the store works great for me.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2016 3:34 AM, Kerry Fielding wrote:
>>> Unfortunately that's Apple.  Now they are starting to do it with
>>> their hardware too.  :-(
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:11, Brian's Mail list account
>>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is exactly what it used to be, ie rubbish software that they
>>>> cannot leave alone and have to keep changing it so screenreaders do
>>>> not work. Bout time Apple rewrote their web site with something
>>>> normal and made it a normal commerce site instead of anodball thing
>>>> that only runs with their software.
>>>> I feel better now!
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales"
>>>> <linomorales001@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This bull has been happening since NVDA 2015.4 and .3. Its
>>>>> annoying as hell. You can't brows the store, Apple Music, manage
>>>>> your account etc. Its a shame that NVDA sill does this. Plus
>>>>> iTunes isn't what it used to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/2016 9:32 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i just wanted to test out iTunes, using the master snapshot of
>>>>>> nvda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you type into the search box, and try to review what you've
>>>>>> wrote, nvda doesn't speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also when looking for something in the store, nvda goes away, and
>>>>>> you need to restart it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure how to create a log of the crash, because when nvda
>>>>>> goes away there's no speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: iTunes and NVDA.

Chris
 

Cloe iTunes first then see if nvda comes back then I don’t know 😃

 

 

 

 

From: Lino Morales
Sent: 12 September 2016 02:31
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

 

Speech crashes alltogether. I restart NVDA while iTunes still running. Alt tab back to the iTunes window and it's gone again. I have to restart both using the task manager or doing a full restart altogether.

 

On 9/11/2016 7:38 PM, Gene wrote:

What do you mean by silent speech.  Are you saying that if you move away from or close ITunes, speech resumes or are you saying that speech crashes? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

 

Well as I already stated month ago I use MS David. I did however once use crappy ESpeak with the same result.

 

On 9/11/2016 7:15 PM, Gene wrote:

The message describing the problem said more like silent speech.  That implies that speech is crashing.  And that raises the question of what synthesizers people are using, which may account for the different results.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

 

Strange because i use nvda all the time and i can browse and the like
picking what i want no crashs of nvda this i can prove if people so wish
me to.


On 9/11/2016 11:58 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
> That good Ron, but as already stated by me and others NVDA still will
> crash. More like silence speech. This mess has been going on since V
> 2015.3 into the current version.
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 12:15 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
>> I am able to browse and use the Itunes store just fine with nvda, I
>> agree that Itunes needs a rewrite but the store works great for me.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2016 3:34 AM, Kerry Fielding wrote:
>>> Unfortunately that's Apple.  Now they are starting to do it with
>>> their hardware too.  :-(
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:11, Brian's Mail list account
>>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is exactly what it used to be, ie rubbish software that they
>>>> cannot leave alone and have to keep changing it so screenreaders do
>>>> not work. Bout time Apple rewrote their web site with something
>>>> normal and made it a normal commerce site instead of anodball thing
>>>> that only runs with their software.
>>>> I feel better now!
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales"
>>>> <linomorales001@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This bull has been happening since NVDA 2015.4 and .3. Its
>>>>> annoying as hell. You can't brows the store, Apple Music, manage
>>>>> your account etc. Its a shame that NVDA sill does this. Plus
>>>>> iTunes isn't what it used to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/2016 9:32 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i just wanted to test out iTunes, using the master snapshot of
>>>>>> nvda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you type into the search box, and try to review what you've
>>>>>> wrote, nvda doesn't speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also when looking for something in the store, nvda goes away, and
>>>>>> you need to restart it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure how to create a log of the crash, because when nvda
>>>>>> goes away there's no speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


 

 

 


Windows 10 Mail app still problematic

Brian Crabtree <pandbcrabtree@...>
 

I have tried out the Windows 10 add-on 16.09.1A with NVDA 2016-3 and the latest version of Windows 10 and still find the following problems:

- as I start the app, it speaks the initial focus, but then reacts to nothing until I use Alt plus Tab to go out and back in. I tried Escape, F 6, Tab, arrows, etc

- as I read an email or read back the text of a reply that I am about to send, it says "edit" before every line, including the blank ones. This is for every line, not just at the start of a new paragraph.

- it does not speak as I type, whether in a new email or when replying or forwarding. It will read what I have typed when I use nvda plus A or arrow up and down and it will speak each letter if I arrow left and right to correct an error.

Could I ask Joseph or others if these things are in the plan for a later release of the add-on?

Finally, Microsoft has still not implemented my top requirement: to be able to change the names of the key folders (sent, drafts, trash) to match those used by the server. This means I get 2 versions of, for example, the sent items folder, which is totally useless. I will send a Feedback to them, but if anyone has heard that they do plan to make this improvement I should be grateful for a word to the wise. Brian Crabtree


Re: FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Good idea, Chris! I'll add that.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 11:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

That's a good tip, I hadn't realised the search criteria would be retained without pressing enter and getting the full context of the first occurrence is much better. Perhaps you should mention the option to wrap to the other end of the document after no more occurrences of the search criteria are found This occurs when searching in either direction.

Cheers
Chris.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 11 September 2016 23:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FW: Success! How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA

Daniel and friends,

My colleague, Ronan McGuirk and I have worked out a procedure almost identical to that which Daniel has just posted. However, when we were testing this, we found it best not to press the enter key after typing the search word as you then only hear the actual word but not the full line in which the word is located. Not pressing enter means that when you press the escape key, you are placed at the same point on the screen where you started. Pressing control-PageDown then places you on the first occurrence of the search word and NVDA speaks the whole line containing the search word.

Here is what we propose:
-----------------

How to search in Word 2010 with NVDA 2016.3.

Use the normal NVDA focus mode for editing not NVDA browse mode.

This approach lets you search forward from your current position in the document.
If you want to search the entire document move to the top.
press control F and type the search term. Don't press enter.
press escape
This will return you to the document in edit mode at your start
position. Every occurrence of your search term is highlighted in the document.
Press control-pagedown repeatedly to hear the search results in context one by one.
Press control-pageUp repeatedly to go back up through the list of results.

I tested this with Word 2010 and NVDA 2016.3 on Windows 8.1. It seems to work reliably.

I think Word 2013 is a little more obvious, but at least this is a better solution for Word 2010.

In summary then:
1. Press control+f
2. Type some text to search for
3. Press escape
4. Press control+pageDown

Repeated presses of control-PageDown or control-PageUp will move back and forth to the nearest line where the search text has been found and speak the whole line.

All comments welcome,


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


windows 10 offer for those using accessability

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, had downloaded the installer for those using accessability after the aniversery update was over, but it keeps saying can't connect.
Please help


Re: iTunes and NVDA.

Life My Way
 

strange that has not happened to me.



On 9/11/2016 8:31 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Speech crashes alltogether. I restart NVDA while iTunes still running. Alt tab back to the iTunes window and it's gone again. I have to restart both using the task manager or doing a full restart altogether.


On 9/11/2016 7:38 PM, Gene wrote:
What do you mean by silent speech.  Are you saying that if you move away from or close ITunes, speech resumes or are you saying that speech crashes? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

Well as I already stated month ago I use MS David. I did however once use crappy ESpeak with the same result.


On 9/11/2016 7:15 PM, Gene wrote:
The message describing the problem said more like silent speech.  That implies that speech is crashing.  And that raises the question of what synthesizers people are using, which may account for the different results.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.

Strange because i use nvda all the time and i can browse and the like
picking what i want no crashs of nvda this i can prove if people so wish
me to.


On 9/11/2016 11:58 AM, Lino Morales wrote:
> That good Ron, but as already stated by me and others NVDA still will
> crash. More like silence speech. This mess has been going on since V
> 2015.3 into the current version.
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 12:15 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
>> I am able to browse and use the Itunes store just fine with nvda, I
>> agree that Itunes needs a rewrite but the store works great for me.
>>
>>
>> On 9/10/2016 3:34 AM, Kerry Fielding wrote:
>>> Unfortunately that's Apple.  Now they are starting to do it with
>>> their hardware too.  :-(
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 09:11, Brian's Mail list account
>>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is exactly what it used to be, ie rubbish software that they
>>>> cannot leave alone and have to keep changing it so screenreaders do
>>>> not work. Bout time Apple rewrote their web site with something
>>>> normal and made it a normal commerce site instead of anodball thing
>>>> that only runs with their software.
>>>> I feel better now!
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lino Morales"
>>>> <linomorales001@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 12:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] iTunes and NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This bull has been happening since NVDA 2015.4 and .3. Its
>>>>> annoying as hell. You can't brows the store, Apple Music, manage
>>>>> your account etc. Its a shame that NVDA sill does this. Plus
>>>>> iTunes isn't what it used to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/9/2016 9:32 AM, Matt Turner wrote:
>>>>>> Hi folks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So i just wanted to test out iTunes, using the master snapshot of
>>>>>> nvda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you type into the search box, and try to review what you've
>>>>>> wrote, nvda doesn't speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also when looking for something in the store, nvda goes away, and
>>>>>> you need to restart it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure how to create a log of the crash, because when nvda
>>>>>> goes away there's no speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start

 

Hmmm where do you get these mods.
I will have to limit those to my workstation only.

On 11/09/2016 10:37 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Yes. Also there is a mod to make explorer have normal non ribbon menus
but beware its non reversable except by taking the computer back.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start


Hi there: sorry this is old. Can a sighted person use classic shell on
her ten machine?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: August-21-16 10:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start



http://www.classicshell.net/



Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-08-22 7:21 AM, Arlene wrote:

Hi, Where do you get classic shell? I’m asking this shell I end up
getting windows ten.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christo Vorster
Sent: August-21-16 10:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start



Hi



There is method in the madness of teaching Windows+M and Windows+d.



Windows+D maximize the desktop while Windows+M minimize it.



I have found that installing Classic Shell is a great help. This make
Win10 look like win7.



By the way, Classic Shell is free.



Regards



Christo Vorster (Worcester South Africa)



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Sunday, 21 August 2016 11:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start



Hello,

I think I figured it out.

The top row is folders and under that is a grid of everything in those
folders. The problem is that grid is really strangely shaped and if you
press an arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is it will
announce the new folder, but that is also what makes it so confusing.



*Note* windows + d also takes you to the desktop like windows + m does,
you only need to use one hand though. I've never understood why they
teach windows + m when windows + d is easier to do and remember.

Thanks,




Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>



On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jeremy <icu8it2@...> wrote:

Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies to those who may disagree, but it
seems to me that currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly
less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it was working for
me so I took all the stuff out of the pinned apps area so it no longer
shows up, but this is what I was able to figure out.

When you first press the start button and it lands you in the search
box, you can press tab, either once or twice and it should take you to a
vertical list containing a fairly large number of apps and some of their
associated folders. As you arrow up and down here, NVDA will first read
the section you come to, so A, B, etc and then under those, read you
apps that fall under those sections. As you probably already know, it's
here that you can press the applications key and pin said apps to the
start menu.

As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks like shift tab
is what you want, so doing it from the search box should land you there.
It's here that you should be able to use the arrow keys to move up,
down, left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA seems to read
things here all weird. As something that looks similar to how IOS likes
to create named directories based on the names of the stuff you put in
them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these named sections
and can press enter to rename them. As you're moving around here, you'll
land on these sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example and
can sometimes press down or wright and it will start reading you the
pinned apps under that section. If you happen to only have one or two
things here though, It's sometimes hard to get it to land where you want
on the icon or whatever.

I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the structuring of the apps
you pin here and just have them in a huge grid, but if so, I've not
figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just hasn't caught up
with and if there are things in the pipe down the road that will make it
more friendly, but so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha

If you play with it though and figure out anything else, I'd certainly
be interested.
Take care.

On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon Keith Biggs wrote:

Hello,

The reason why one uses the start menu is so you don't need to open apps
to do things like your calendar, whether, news and stocks. you just
arrow over those items and you hear what they are.

Thanks,



Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>



On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:

Hello Brandon,



I find it easier to place application shortcuts on the desktop. This is
a two-step process. Hit the windows key, type in the application name,
hit the context menu, find file location and enter on it, hit the
context menu and go to the send-to menu. Hit the desktop option. Hit
windows m to bring you to the desktop, type the first letter of the
application, and you will land on it. Note that on the desktop, once
you find a and select application, you can hit f2 and change the
shortcut’s name.







Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on the Windows 10 start



Hello,

Does anyone understand how pins work in Windows 10?

I removed all the junk in hopes that fewer items would make things
clearer, but it didn't I pinned a couple things to the start and in
order to get to them I need to hit right arrow once and down arrow all
the way to the bottom when they should be just down.

Apparently there are folders but I can't understand how they work.

Any help would be great because I would like to start using the start menu.

Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>















Re: ducking and how to stop it

 

well go to sounds and communications and turn that off.
I would also uncheck in skype general options the checkboxes for mic and speaker automatic control.
This is still why I really don't care for ducking or any audio enhancements.
Manufacturers use those for making little speakers sound cool
They end up sucking as far as sspeech goes though.
As for ducking I can see where it would rock, but I can see where it just sucks and most people have ducking all over the place in every place but the right one.

On 12/09/2016 8:20 a.m., ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi NVDA list a question for anyone who is using windows 10 was trying to help a player in games galore with a voicechat game. he was having problems with his TC web conference plugin. was using skype so he could give instructions or hear the game in play, but the web conference plugin audio dropped low as the computer gave skype’s volume priority. we are going to probably end it early since that player lost his connection to me and one other player isn’t here. does anyone know how to tell windows 10 not to duck audio? microsoft answer desk didn’t know. any help for future use will be appreciated.


Re: microsoft word 2-16 and outlook 2016:

 

Well I managed once to get imap set on my dads via the control panel which touchwood has been the same since office 95.
However after I did all the crazy stuff that was setting up and making sure things were subscribed via imap, the only thing I can't seem to get used to are the message tree view and navigating from folder to folder I do not know how to do this.
If you are happy with ribbons then you can use it.
However to be frank there are still programs like thunderbird which has a lot less clutter.

On 11/09/2016 5:15 p.m., Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Hi how well does outlook and Microsoft word 2016 work with nvda? I am
planning on upgrading to office 2016 soon, and I was wondering how
accessible Microsoft outlook 2016 is.

Kenny Peyattt jr.


Re: To all xp users who were running dropbox

Arlene
 

Hmmm, perhaps whatever he does works.  Like I said with my xp Compaq it crawled on IE just before I donated it to a sighted user.  Firefox it was beautiful.  It was still slow.  It didn’t even have a dvd player.  The person who used it only used it for schooling.  If I had kept it. It would have died perhaps 2011.  Or sooner.  It couldn’t hold jaws 11. I had to go back to ten.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-11-16 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

I don't know why it is working forMike.  It doesn't work here with XP and I haven't heard anything indicating that it works in general.  Perhaps there is something about Mike's machine that isn't standard. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:07 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

 

I can't believe Drop box still works for xp. I'm glad it still does for those who use it. My xp box died a long time ago!  My very first xp box quit serving me when I started using jaws 11.  It couldn’t handle it. I had to give it to a sighted user. Yes, with it I had drop box.  I was going into chat rooms that used tc conference. The second box I got from a friend. it died shortly after I got my 7 box witch I still have.  I'm happy with 7. If I get or end up with ten so be it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael Capelle
Sent: September-11-16 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox

oh my gosh dude, chill the f*** out, everyone is different.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox


> Yeah but the majority of folks on heredon't use  them POS machines? No.
> I've got nothing else to say. Happy fanagaling guys.
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 1:29 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
>> Lino, there's no need to take that sort of tone, especially when you're
>> wrong.
>>
>> It is possible to adjust Windows XP so that it gets updates intended for
>> Point
>> of Sale (POS) terminals, and these continue until April 9th, 2019.
>>
>> You may not wish to continue using Windows XP yourself, but please don't
>> be so
>> abusive (or misinformed) towards those who do, and who know what they're
>> doing
>> to keep it going.
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 11 Sep 2016 at 18:05, Lino Morales wrote:
>>
>>> Say what? Where the hell did you hear this from MR.
>>> Bryian.uk.co.missinformed? Supported officially ended for XP on APR.
>>> 2014. Its high time you all get off the XP trainwreck. Dropbox did
>>> indeed end their support. Fanagle it to work to your little hearts
>>> content.
>>>
>>> On 9/11/2016 6:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>>>> Actually it will let you in with a very old version, but not if its
>>>> running on xp.
>>>> It obviously detects the operating system. They have sent out many
>>>> messages from well over a month ago warning people about this and it
>>>> did actually last an extra day. I see now they are claiming that its a
>>>> security issue with xp as its not been updated for over two years,
>>>> however many of us do have xp  updates till 2019, and really should
>>>> not be all  shoved together with the great unwashed as it seems xp
>>>> users are seen these days.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arno Schuh"
>>>> <arno.schuh@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 10:47 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] To all xp users who were running dropbox
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> the update of Dropbox is pushed by one or more entries in scheduled
>>>>> tasks. So it would be possible to stop the Dropbox client to update
>>>>> itself. But as I wrote in my last mail - it didn't matter. Dropbox
>>>>> didn't let you in with an old version of the client.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours sincerely
>>>>>
>>>>> Arno
>
>
>
>