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Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

Additional references on e-mail feedback looping and issues that have occurred on/for groups.io members that demonstrates that it is becoming more and more critical that, among other things, one does not mark messages as spam that really aren't spam.  Deleting them does not cause problems nor do the various muting techniques that groups providers have for making messages from a given topic stop.

People need to be more aware of this generally since it's an embodiment of the law of unintended consequences coming from seemingly innocuous actions that one might believe is only having an affect on one's own computer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) 

Member Kicked off our io. group (and a request to Mark)

FBL turned on for AOL.com members

AOL Problem

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Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:28 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Clear as mud. as far as I am aware message rules in pop 3 only affect the servver insofar as if you say delete from server or leave on server it does these things, ie does not mark as spam. that occurs only on web mail and possibly google designed imap systems. Another reason to steer cleer of web based email readers as you cannot tell what its doing out of your site.

What you are aware of and what is are two distinctly different things.  The feedback loop system is in place on a number of e-mail services and is discussed at some length in the thread entitled, Group Members Marking Group Messages as Spam, as well as others in the Group Managers group as well as the Beta group.

There are all sorts of automated processes that can result in a message being determined to be spam, and if enough people manually mark messages from a given domain as spam for an e-mail provider that has a spam filtering system that learns from that, and most do, all sorts of problems can arise.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with whether one is using POP or IMAP access.
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Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

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No It also depends on the black listing of servers on the internet. If a lot of botted machines sends stuff out or sends to some addresses actions are taken to stop it. Often this means modifying pop3 machines to ignore one or two attempts to send to them then allowing one in to stop spam getting in that does not check the flags when it sends to multiple addresses Grey listing.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


You can't know the cause of every problem. This isn't a user controled problem.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


I think my question was the why not the how to fix it. One would like to be
told exactly what triggered it in the first place.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "john s" <jschwery@centurylink.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


Brian, I have gotten it a couple of times. Both times, I clicked the
link.

At 05:14 AM 4/2/2017, you wrote:
The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around
the time of some unspotted spam from wherever. Could it be that the
server I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt
is always refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd
expect others to get this message and lose emails from this list.


Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Groups.io" <noreply@groups.io>
To: <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


Hello,

Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many
reasons, including:

- We have an incorrect email address for you.
- Your account was or is full.
- Other temporary delivery issues.

We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer
receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:

- NVDACon-announce
- nvda

You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you
from all of the groups you are a member of.

To unbounce your account, go to the following link:

https://groups.io/unbounce?email=bglists@blueyonder.co.uk&cookie=7838066606525717615
(
https://groups.io/unbounce?email=bglists@blueyonder.co.uk&cookie=7838066606525717615 )

Thank you,
The Groups.io Team


John




Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Clear as mud. as far as I am aware message rules in pop 3 only affect the servver insofar as if you say delete from server or leave on server it does these things, ie does not mark as spam. that occurs only on web mail and possibly google designed imap systems. Another reason to steer cleer of web based email readers as you cannot tell what its doing out of your site.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


One thing that can cause this problem is if a user marks any message received from Groups.io as spam.

There now exists a requirement on the part of many e-mail service providers, utilizing a feedback loop to Groups.io, that if a message is marked as spam that Groups.io must cease sending messages to the address from which the spam marking originated. This is wreaking havoc particularly since the marking as spam is accidental.

If you are receiving individual messages as your subscription and don't want to get any more messages for a specific topic, do not mark it as spam, use the "Mute this Topic" link at the bottom of the message and no more messages from that specific topic will be sent to you.

It is also possible to arrange, via the Groups.io web interface, to have the first message from every topic sent to you but, if you do not choose to follow that topic using the link that's provided at the end of the message, no more messages from that topic will be sent (unless you were to choose to follow it later, either via activating the follow link in the first message that you didn't delete from your inbox or going in to the web interface to do so).

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Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

 

I just posted what follows to the wrong topic, and have deleted that entry from the archive even though most will receive it under the wrong topic, too.


This is the response from Mark Fletcher, founder of Groups.io and still their primary technical support:

Hi Brian,

I don't think that's a message from us. If he's still having problems, please have him forward one of the emails to support and I'll take a look.

Thanks,
Mark

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Windows 10 App Essentials and Resource Monitor version 17.04 released

 

Hi everyone,

 

Two add-ons received updates today: Windows 10 App Essentials and Resource Monitor, both updated to version 17.04:

 

 

Resource Monitor will now recognize Windows 10 build 15063 as Version 1703, and localization updates were applied on Windows 10 App Essentials.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

 

One thing that can cause this problem is if a user marks any message received from Groups.io as spam.

There now exists a requirement on the part of many e-mail service providers, utilizing a feedback loop to Groups.io, that if a message is marked as spam that Groups.io must cease sending messages to the address from which the spam marking originated.  This is wreaking havoc particularly since the marking as spam is accidental.

If you are receiving individual messages as your subscription and don't want to get any more messages for a specific topic, do not mark it as spam, use the "Mute this Topic" link at the bottom of the message and no more messages from that specific topic will be sent to you.

It is also possible to arrange, via the Groups.io web interface, to have the first message from every topic sent to you but, if you do not choose to follow that topic using the link that's provided at the end of the message, no more messages from that topic will be sent (unless you were to choose to follow it later, either via activating the follow link in the first message that you didn't delete from your inbox or going in to the web interface to do so).


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Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

 

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 12:59 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Or did I miss something?

Yes.  Mr. Bado explained, after having been asked for clarification, "I'm trying to completely change my e mail adress for this list."  He'd have to resubscribe using his new address to do that.

I haven't gotten anything other than the automated "ticket open" message for my query last night.

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Re: questions about palemoon:

 

hi Felix.
thanks so much for your information.
i realy wished to know about tor browser, but forgot to ask!
thanks so much for your guide and thanks to reminded me!
God bless you all.

On 4/3/17, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
the current version of the Tor Browser, based on Firefox, is accessible.
Background: It's a browser which provides anonymity by routing packets
through a cascade of intermediary nodes and using strong encryption. This
comes with a speed penalty of course. It's a highly specialized tool and is
not something one would normally use without very good reasons. I'm just
mentioning it as it is technically an accessible browser branched from
Firefox and developed independently of it.
Kind regards,
Felix

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Apr. 2017 um 10:10 Uhr:

Seamonkey is OK I think in the main, I don't know about the others.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


hi every one.
thanks so much for helping me.

are all of firefox based browsers inaccessible like palemoon?
did you try waterfox, cyberfox cmonkey or any other firefox and gecko
based browsers?
i am waiting for the answer from anyone who tested these browsers.
because i dont want to cause problem for you to need reinstall your
windows again!
God bless you all and i never forget your kindness.

On 4/3/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I gathered that. So, it's like firefox?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Arlene,


It's a browser. Actually, it's a lighter version of Firefox, where the
"lighter" was obtained by stripping Firefox of all accessibility
features...
Nice, I'd say...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 21:08, Arlene ha scritto:
Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as
far as the log on screen but no further. it basically when
uninstalled and the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am
using now and i had to reinstall windows all together. I could not
even restore it back to a earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
for
you.












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al-islam.org





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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: questions about palemoon:

Felix G.
 

Hello,
the current version of the Tor Browser, based on Firefox, is accessible.
Background: It's a browser which provides anonymity by routing packets through a cascade of intermediary nodes and using strong encryption. This comes with a speed penalty of course. It's a highly specialized tool and is not something one would normally use without very good reasons. I'm just mentioning it as it is technically an accessible browser branched from Firefox and developed independently of it.
Kind regards,
Felix

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> schrieb am Mo., 3. Apr. 2017 um 10:10 Uhr:

Seamonkey is OK I think in the main, I don't know about the others.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


> hi every one.
> thanks so much for helping me.
>
> are all of firefox based browsers inaccessible like palemoon?
> did you try waterfox, cyberfox cmonkey or any other firefox and gecko
> based browsers?
> i am waiting for the answer from anyone who tested these browsers.
> because i dont want to cause problem for you to need reinstall your
> windows again!
> God bless you all and i never forget your kindness.
>
> On 4/3/17, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> I gathered that.  So, it's like firefox?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Mallard
>> Sent: April-02-17 1:26 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:
>>
>> Arlene,
>>
>>
>> It's a browser. Actually, it's a lighter version of Firefox, where the
>> "lighter" was obtained by stripping Firefox of all accessibility
>> features...
>> Nice, I'd say...
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Ollie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il 02/04/2017 21:08, Arlene ha scritto:
>>> Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Mallard
>>> Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>> PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
>>> accessibility functions to make it lighter...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
>>> programmes (sarcastic grin).
>>>
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>>
>>> Ollie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
>>>> Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
>>>> windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as
>>>> far as the log on screen but no further. it basically when
>>>> uninstalled and the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am
>>>> using now and i had to reinstall windows all together. I could not
>>>> even restore it back to a earlier version or even reset it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
>>>> putting some programs on it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gene nz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>> i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
>>>>> is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
>>>>> whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
>>>>> security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
>>>>> crash or hang and also speed?
>>>>> i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
>>>>> nvda.
>>>>> God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
>>>>> for
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>





Re: Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

Gene
 

You can't know the cause of every problem.  This isn't a user controled problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing

I think my question was the why not the how to fix it. One would like to be
told exactly what triggered it in the first place.
 Brian

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From: "john s" <jschwery@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fw: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing


> Brian, I have gotten it a couple of times.  Both times, I clicked the
> link.
>
> At 05:14 AM 4/2/2017, you wrote:
>>The message below is arriving here about twice a week interestingly around
>>the time of some unspotted  spam from  wherever. Could it be that the
>>server I use needs greylisting after such an event, ie the first attempt
>>is always refused to stop spam bots from sending to it. If so then I'd
>>expect others to get this message and lose  emails from this list.
>>
>>
>>Brian
>>
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>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Groups.io" <noreply@groups.io>
>>To: <bglists@...>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 9:15 PM
>>Subject: Your Groups.io Account Is Bouncing
>>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Recently, emails sent to you have bounced back to us. This can be for many
>>reasons, including:
>>
>>- We have an incorrect email address for you.
>>- Your account was or is full.
>>- Other temporary delivery issues.
>>
>>We have suspended email delivery to you. This means you will no longer
>>receive messages from the groups you are subscribed to, including:
>>
>>- NVDACon-announce
>>- nvda
>>
>>You must take action to restore your account, or we will unsubscribe you
>>from all of the groups you are a member of.
>>
>>To unbounce your account, go to the following link:
>>
>>https://groups.io/unbounce?email=bglists@...&cookie=7838066606525717615
>>(
>>https://groups.io/unbounce?email=bglists@...&cookie=7838066606525717615 )
>>
>>Thank you,
>>The Groups.io Team
>>
>>
>>
>
>                 John
>
>
>
>




Re: Say all/read to end funny

Gene
 

When you are reading documents, you should have it on.  It doesn't change the document but it shows it on screen divided into lines that are correct for viewing.  Even if you are working with code, it may be a good idea to have it on, I'm not sure.  But when reading documents, if they aren't formatted properly in the first place for reading, with returns in the actual document where marhgins should be and a line goes on too long, a screen-reader won't read properly.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all/read to end funny

I tent not to have it on as I like to use it for batch files etc, and it
mucks up the formatting if on. One would have thought that the output from
the program might have line lengths set. I'll have a play around with it.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all/read to end funny


Use word wrap.  That will probably solve the problem.  It sounds as though
you don't have word wrap on and my guess is that that is causing a buffer
overflow in the screen-reader or in the speech synthesizer, I don't know
which.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 5:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say all/read to end funny



I'm sure you all know the bit of software called cpuz, which is used to show
what is inside your pc, very handy if you want more ram or whatever, well I
have a little batch file that sends this output to notepad  ie a txt file
loaded into notepad.
 The thing is that when I do a read to end from anywhere, it often stops
well before the end. Is this expected or is it a bug?
 Here is the end of a say all and what nvda/f1 reports when it has stopped.
 Note the truncated  bits. Is say all  cancelled if a certain line length is
reached, perhaps?

Speaking [IndexCommand(1), LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'),
u'\t0x80000002\t\t0x65746E49\t0x2952286C\t0x726F4320\t0x4D542865\r\n',
IndexCommand(2),
u'\t0x80000003\t\t0x35692029\t0x3936342D\t0x43205330\t0x40205550\r\n',
IndexCommand(3),
u'\t0x80000004\t\t0x322E3320\t0x7A484730\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(4),
u'\t0x80000005\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(5),
u'\t0x80000006\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x01006040\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(6),
u'\t0x80000007\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000100\r\n',
IndexCommand(7),
u'\t0x80000008\t\t0x00003027\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\t0x00000000\r\n',
IndexCommand(8), IndexCommand(9), u'\tMSR
0x0000001B\t\t0x00000000\t0xFEE00900\r\n', IndexCommand(10), u'\tMSR
0x0000003A\t\t0x00000000\t0x00000005\r\n', IndexCommand(11), u'\tMSR
0x000001A0\t\t0x00000000\t0x00850089\r\n']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (11:12:00):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(11:12:00):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: None

role: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT

states: STATE_MULTILINE, STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleEditWindowNVDAObject object
at 0x05A354B0>

Python class mro: (<class
'NVDAObjects.Dynamic_IAccessibleEditWindowNVDAObject'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.edit.Edit'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetection'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.behaviors.EditableText'>, <class 'editableText.EditableText'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>,
<class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class
'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (2, 40, 1260, 954)

value: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'notepad', process ID 4820) at
address 5c8cdb0>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.window.edit.EditTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 1048978

windowClassName: u'Edit'

windowControlID: 15

windowStyle: 1344274692

windowThreadID: 4332

windowText: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

displayText: u'Agent Voltage Offset 0 mV\nThread
dumps-------------------------------------------------------------------------CPU
Thread 0APIC ID 0Topology Processor ID 0, Core ID 0, Thread ID 0Type
01020205hMax CPUID level 0000000DhMax CPUID ext. level 80000008hCa'
(truncated)

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x8fb3610 at 5c2acb0>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=1048978, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: None

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: u'CPU-Z TXT
Report\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nBinaries\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nCPU-Z
version\t\t\t1.72.0\r\n\r\nProcessors\r\n------------------------------'
(truncated)

 



It just sort of stops when its been reading. I normally just let it rattle
on till I hear somthing I recognise then intercept it.
 Strangely cursoring through is fine, and restarting the read works as well,
though it can stop again.

My guess is that its line length or tabs etc in the file, but its master
branch and on windows 7 64 bit and the  notepad is just ordinary notepad.

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Re: Is softether VPN client/ VPN gate client accessible using NVDA?

Felix G.
 

Hello,
I don't know about these but Cisco Anyconnect works fine with NVDA and covers all my VPN needs.
Kind regards,
Felix

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...> schrieb am Mo., 3. Apr. 2017 um 11:35 Uhr:

I would like to know, are the VPN client on Windows, namely
softether-vpn client and vpn gate client, accessible with NVDA?
Thanks.








Is softether VPN client/ VPN gate client accessible using NVDA?

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

I would like to know, are the VPN client on Windows, namely softether-vpn client and vpn gate client, accessible with NVDA?
Thanks.


Re: questions about palemoon:

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Seamonkey is OK I think in the main, I don't know about the others.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


hi every one.
thanks so much for helping me.

are all of firefox based browsers inaccessible like palemoon?
did you try waterfox, cyberfox cmonkey or any other firefox and gecko
based browsers?
i am waiting for the answer from anyone who tested these browsers.
because i dont want to cause problem for you to need reinstall your
windows again!
God bless you all and i never forget your kindness.

On 4/3/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
I gathered that. So, it's like firefox?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Arlene,


It's a browser. Actually, it's a lighter version of Firefox, where the
"lighter" was obtained by stripping Firefox of all accessibility features...
Nice, I'd say...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 21:08, Arlene ha scritto:
Hi, What is Palemoon? What is it used for?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 9:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as
far as the log on screen but no further. it basically when
uninstalled and the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am
using now and i had to reinstall windows all together. I could not
even restore it back to a earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you.












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Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

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Count me into that one, but A I have no time and B would not know where to start. Happy to test one out though.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer


There are some grammar checking tools available like ProWritingAid, which
go above what Word will give you, although some things like that unmatched
parenthesis or quotes may still not be picked up.

If anyone is interested, it could make a useful add-on though.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text
analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/
rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm
Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as
unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a
tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken
message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line
looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by
pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor
moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and
down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of
any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most
descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be
spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text
Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in
your
document.
Pranav





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Re: Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer

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Does this work just in Word, or is it for any text editor, say Jarte etc?
It sounds like a candidate for an add on to me. I often get moaned at by the sighted when making up quick things to read on the talking newspaper as one does miss weird tabs, extra punctuation and brackets in odd places when you are doing a quick sub of a longer document and altering it to make sense as a spoken document, like taking out as you can see and appears below etc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Looking for a function similar to the jaws text analyzer


Hi Domingos,

You have an excellent point there. I am pasting the text about the text analyzer
from the freedomscientific website.
Source:
http://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2012-0
6-20_textformatting/02_textformatting.htm
Text Analyzer
When editing a document using speech only, inconsistencies such as unmatched
parentheses, unintentional format changes, extra whitespace, and stray or
unspaced punctuation can often be missed. The Text Analyzer feature is a tool
that notifies you of these errors in your document by using a spoken message or
WAV file. You can configure JAWS to announce discrepancies by count, by
description, or by sound while proofreading the document by line, sentence,
paragraph, or Say All command. Braille users will benefit from this since a
sound can be emitted before the user has time to read the entire line looking
for errors.
Text Analyzer Modes
The Text Analyzer has the following four modes which you can get to by pressing
INSERT+V. Type the word "text analyzer" in the search edit box.
. Indicate with sound - JAWS will play an audible sound when the cursor moves to
a line where an inconsistency is found. This works when scrolling up and down
through text or when using SayAll mode.
. Speak count - JAWS will speak the number of inconsistencies found on each
line.
. Describe inconsistencies - JAWS will announce the type and location of any
inconsistencies found on each line of the document. This is the most descriptive
of the different Text Analyzer modes.
. Off - Text Analyzer is off and no inconsistency information will be spoken.
NOTE: You can also press ALT+WINDOWS KEY+I at any time to have Text Analyzer
move the cursor to the next inconsistency. This can be done even when Text
Analyzer is turned off, and is an easy to quickly find potential errors in your
document.
Pranav



Re: questions about palemoon:

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No it was around in the xp days as well, but its rubbish, orse than rubbish. When you install anything back up the registry first. Erunt works on 7, but I've yet to get it to work on 10.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:


Oh, it's an internet browser? Does it only work for windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Oh, dear!!!


That's awful! Not being accessible is already bad enough... Causing someone to have to reinstall the OS from scratch is almost criminal!


Sorry about that... I was lucky, because when I wanted to try that, my
son told me that all accessibility had been removed to make the browser
lighter...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 22:09, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
And when uninstalled it totally crashed my computer after it was
rebooted and i after a few different options had to reinstall my
operating system from a clean install.

I was using windows 10 and nvda 2017.1.


Gene nz



On 3/04/2017 4:34 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
for you.



Re: questions about palemoon:

Mallard
 

No, it works for previous Windowses too, but not for screen reader users... sigh!

Il 03/04/2017 00:32, Arlene ha scritto:
Oh, it's an internet browser? Does it only work for windows ten?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: April-02-17 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] questions about palemoon:

Oh, dear!!!


That's awful! Not being accessible is already bad enough... Causing someone to have to reinstall the OS from scratch is almost criminal!


Sorry about that... I was lucky, because when I wanted to try that, my
son told me that all accessibility had been removed to make the browser
lighter...

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 02/04/2017 22:09, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
And when uninstalled it totally crashed my computer after it was
rebooted and i after a few different options had to reinstall my
operating system from a clean install.

I was using windows 10 and nvda 2017.1.


Gene nz



On 3/04/2017 4:34 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,


PaleMoon is not accessible, because they simply stripped it of all
accessibility functions to make it lighter...


Thanks devs, that's definitely the way to go to make inclusive
programmes (sarcastic grin).


Ciao,

Ollie





Il 31/03/2017 23:54, Gene New Zealand ha scritto:
Hi


I downloaded a copy of it this morning. it was not usable by NVDA.
Because it was not accessible i then uninstalled it from my pc on
windows 10. When the computer rebooted actually it would only go as far
as the log on screen but no further. it basically when uninstalled and
the computer rebooted crashed the computer i am using now and i had to
reinstall windows all together. I could not even restore it back to a
earlier version or even reset it.


I have only got it back on line this mornig and in the process of
putting some programs on it.


DO NOT ToUCh AT ALL.


I do not know what it done but my wife had to reload windows all
together.



Gene nz



On 1/04/2017 12:55 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i heard about palemoon in some websites and wish to know about it.
is it completely accessible for nvda users like firefox?
whats the difference between palemoon and firefox in terms of
security, customizability, accessibility, Good performance without
crash or hang and also speed?
i waite for your help specially expert users or even developers of
nvda.
God bless you all, i pray for you and request divine infinite mercy
for you.





Re: what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?

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If you sent this and we saw it you are subscribed already. Or did I miss something?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo Bado" <leobado1970@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] what's the e mail address to subscribe this group?


hey folks,

I've been trying to subscribe to this group using e mail address
provided at the end of each message, however it failes every time I'm
going to send the request,

so, what's the suscription adress?

thanks.