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Re: starting NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Shortcuts are not stored in the registry.  In later versions of windows, they are kept in the C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\

directory, and are not regular files, but something called manifests.  For a discussion of this, (and links to more information) you can check this link.
http://superuser.com/questions/491325/where-exactly-are-the-apps-shortcuts-in-the-windows-8-start-screen-stored

In earlier versions of windows, they were just files stored on either the desktop, or in the startup folder.
hth

On 12/22/2016 3:35 PM, Gene wrote:
Rebooting is the first thing that should be tried.  NVdA settings have nothing to do with this problem.  Shortcuts for any file or application are stored in the registry and have nothing to do with the actual program.  they are just a way of starting the program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

How about resetting NVDA to factory settings, and then trying the command?


On 12/22/2016 6:25 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
> again? Thanks.
>
>
>
> .
>








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Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

whats the reason that this website is not available for use in the next year?

On 12/25/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
www.nvda-kr.org/en, although I should warn people here that this website
will be going away next year.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista
users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these
versions of Windows

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be
the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds
going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where
you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on
screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can
literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older
apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen
review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen review
(as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in
screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat
review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of
how the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch
between modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of
how to move between flat review, which is now called screen review
and object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of
the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen
navigation revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if
any other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those
appear to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with
recent or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of
Windows you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all
in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with
flat review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp
machines seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop
or the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are
steps to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march
then it could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and
you will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to
do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will
ever drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a
while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be
the last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

Hi,
www.nvda-kr.org/en, although I should warn people here that this website will be going away next year.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be
the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds
going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows
XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one
to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where
you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on
screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can
literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older
apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen
review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen review
(as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in
screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of
how the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch
between modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of
how to move between flat review, which is now called screen review
and object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of
the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen
navigation revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if
any other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those
appear to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with
recent or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of
Windows you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all
in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with
flat review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp
machines seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop
or the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are
steps to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march
then it could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and
you will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to
do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will
ever drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a
while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be
the last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

 

hi joseph.
thanks for informing us.
and thanks tyler for writing this!
i wanted the new behavior for selection, but sometimes it does not
work for me and because of the crash of new versions of nvda, i revert
to 2016.1 again today!

2016.1 and previous versions of nvda work without any crash!
but i am realy happy to heard this news for those who use the current
version and want the old behaviour.
and also, i aggree for the setting in preferences for the previous and
current way of selecting document with nvda.
God bless you all and merry christmas!

On 12/25/16, Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> wrote:
Maybe an option in preferences would be nice rather than a addon
But thanks anyway
Cheer


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

hi.
and how about your audio tutorial?
i know that you made audio tutorial for nvda 2013 or 2014 versions.
where can i download this?

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be the
first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds going to
continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista
users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these
versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where you
can use review cursor commands to move between controls on screen. The
reason it was called "flat review" is because you can literally take a
look at all available controls on screen for older apps (newer style
apps won't let you use flat review or screen review). The biggest
difference between flat review and screen review (as I briefly
demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in screen review,
wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object navigation tracker will
follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of how
the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch between
modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of how to
move between flat review, which is now called screen review and
object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of the
time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen navigation
revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if any
other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those appear
to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with recent
or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of Windows
you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all in Windows
10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with flat
review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp machines
seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop or
the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are steps
to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march then it
could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and you
will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to do
so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will ever
drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a while
if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be the
last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

Chris
 

Maybe an option in preferences would be nice rather than a addon

But thanks anyway

Cheer

 

 


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

Peter Beasley
 

Thanks for this add on. I have just installed it and it works exactly as it used to. Why was the change made.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey
 

Hi all,

 

Do you remember a day when you can just select text with review cursor and copy it in one go? This functionality is back via a new add-on called Classic Selection (author: Tyler Spivey):

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/classicSelection.en.html

 

Until a few months ago, when you press NVDA+F9 to mark start of selection in review cursor, move around and then press NVDA+F10, selected text will be copied. Now, you need to press NVDA+F10 once or twice to copy text. The Classic Selection add-on restores the old behavior for those who are used to it.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Thanks Nasrin,

As long as it has helped you learn about Mozilla Thunderbird, then I am
glad you found it useful to help you get familiar with the email client.

You're very welcome!

Gene NZ

On 24/12/2016 8:50 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi. thanks so much for your great tutorial.
i realy needded tutorial for mozilla thunderbird and i realy appreciate it.
God bless you.

On 12/24/16, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
Hi,

The following has been updated to the website, and there are also some
changes - as in I have moved some of the bigger tutorials onto their own
pages. This will be mainly on the NVDA tutorials for other programs page.

PAGES RECENTLY UPDATED

Accessible Email Client Mozilla Thunderbird (How to add in more than one
email account; How to set up Mozilla Thunderbird email client to get
Outlook.com emails- there are several more sections on this page in this
area). Please find the tutorial at the following link
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

NVDA tutorials for other programs (a written tutorial on how to use the
Mail app in Windows 10 with NVDA (by David Moore);
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/How%20to%20use%20the%20Mail%20app%20in%20Windows%2010%20with%20NVDA.html

NEW
The following pages (which will be either a written or an audio
tutorial) have been added.

How to navigate the Google Chrome browser with the NVDA screen reader
For a written tutorial on how to navigate the Google Chrome browser with
the NVDA screen reader (an overview), please visit the How to navigate
the Google Chrome browser with the NVDA screen reader webpage at the
following
link
How%20to%20navigate%20the%20Google%20Chrome%20browser%20with%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.html
To listen to an audio tutorial please click on the following link
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64177841/How%20to%20navigate%20the%20Google%20Chrome%20browser%20with%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.MP3

Gene NZ







--
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

My question exactly. I only found it of use sometimes, but it does seem a bit less intuitive the newer way. did it clash with some other command?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 2:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey


Thank you Tyler for writing this add-on. Thank you Joseph for the alert.
Why was this behavior even changed in the first place?
Thanks,
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey


Hi all,



Do you remember a day when you can just select text with review cursor and copy it in one go? This functionality is back via a new add-on called Classic Selection (author: Tyler Spivey):

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/classicSelection.en.html



Until a few months ago, when you press NVDA+F9 to mark start of selection in review cursor, move around and then press NVDA+F10, selected text will be copied. Now, you need to press NVDA+F10 once or twice to copy text. The Classic Selection add-on restores the old behavior for those who are used to it.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


A question about NVDA and Braille

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

Hello dear friends,
I'm currently working on Farsi Braill by updating and correcting the old table.
I also created a computer Braille table for Farsi.
Now I want test my tables with NVDA to know whether they work or not.
I remember that a snapshot released with new UEB tables for test.
Is it possible that such case happen for new Farsi Braille tables as well?
I attached both tables as "fa-ir.zip".
Thanks in advance,
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Best wishes,
Mohammadreza


Re: Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

Kwork
 

Thank you Tyler for writing this add-on. Thank you Joseph for the alert.
Why was this behavior even changed in the first place?
Thanks,
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 12:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

Hi all,

 

Do you remember a day when you can just select text with review cursor and copy it in one go? This functionality is back via a new add-on called Classic Selection (author: Tyler Spivey):

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/classicSelection.en.html

 

Until a few months ago, when you press NVDA+F9 to mark start of selection in review cursor, move around and then press NVDA+F10, selected text will be copied. Now, you need to press NVDA+F10 once or twice to copy text. The Classic Selection add-on restores the old behavior for those who are used to it.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Say hello to Classic Selection add-on from Tyler Spivey

 

Hi all,

 

Do you remember a day when you can just select text with review cursor and copy it in one go? This functionality is back via a new add-on called Classic Selection (author: Tyler Spivey):

http://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/classicSelection.en.html

 

Until a few months ago, when you press NVDA+F9 to mark start of selection in review cursor, move around and then press NVDA+F10, selected text will be copied. Now, you need to press NVDA+F10 once or twice to copy text. The Classic Selection add-on restores the old behavior for those who are used to it.

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

Hi,
If you want general info on using NVDA, then the user guide would be the first place to start. Quentin's tutorial costs some, with proceeds going to continued development of the screen reader.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update
that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where you
can use review cursor commands to move between controls on screen. The
reason it was called "flat review" is because you can literally take a
look at all available controls on screen for older apps (newer style
apps won't let you use flat review or screen review). The biggest
difference between flat review and screen review (as I briefly
demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in screen review,
wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object navigation tracker will
follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review
cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as
websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer
style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's
guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for
2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of how
the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch between
modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of how to
move between flat review, which is now called screen review and
object review. It's not worth changing versions because of this
minor difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make
sure to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will
cause things like read current line not to work correctly some of the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation
and review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen navigation
revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if any
other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those appear
to be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with recent
or current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of Windows
you are using but my old version won't work well, if at all in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with flat
review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp machines
seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to
a higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop or
the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are steps
to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march then it
could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and you
will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and
of course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for
some years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will ever
drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a while
if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest
extended release version is but those wishing to continue to use
Firefox and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be the
last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Brian,

I haven’t followed this thread.  Please how to access your Google drive?

Many thanks.

Blessings and Merry Christmas.

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

 

David,

          I do not object if you wish to place them on a webpage, but they are already public links in my Google Drive and I have no intention of taking them down in the foreseeable future.  You can just use the links as is on any webpage (or create new click-through text for the titles if you so choose) and activating them will download the document "clicked on."  There's no point in "reinventing the wheel" as far as public storage goes.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 


Re: Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

hi joseph.
thanks so much for your very great information.
where can i download your tutorial or quentin's tutorial for nvda?
i want a general in using nvda, not the specific version of it.

On 12/24/16, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update that one
to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where you can
use review cursor commands to move between controls on screen. The reason it
was called "flat review" is because you can literally take a look at all
available controls on screen for older apps (newer style apps won't let you
use flat review or screen review). The biggest difference between flat
review and screen review (as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the
fact that, in screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object
navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat
review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review cursor
where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as websites,
PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer style
apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be
developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's guide
(and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for 2016.4 but
that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of how
the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch between
modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of how to
move between flat review, which is now called screen review and object
review. It's not worth changing versions because of this minor
difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make sure
to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will cause
things like read current line not to work correctly some of the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your
questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation and
review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen navigation
revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if any
other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those appear to
be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with recent or
current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of Windows you
are using but my old version won't work well, if at all in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with flat
review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp machines
seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to a
higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop or
the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel
machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are steps
to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march then it
could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and you
will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and of
course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for some
years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will ever
drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a while if
ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest extended
release version is but those wishing to continue to use Firefox
and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release
version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be the
last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 5:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

 

Also, since this is still fresh, I located six more bits that need to be added to the hits list:

 

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 


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Re: NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

 

Joseph,

             Thanks.  Since I saw the reply initially on the Win10 group I replied there, and there appears to be an issue with using F6.  Here's a repeat of what I wrote there, since this is the more appropriate group for it.   I am using the latest build of Win10 Home and Word 2010 on my machine along with NVDA 2016.4:

           My first F6 press takes me from the document body to the Navigation Pane (which, in my case, is something I always have showing, so this might be related to that, and Navigation Pane is announced) and a second F6 key press moves me to the protected view area.  However, the "Protected View Grouping" announcement never occurs when I initially land in it and when I do that's on the, "This file originated . . .," link.  The only way I get the "Protected View Grouping" announcement to occur is if I move around within it when I land in it with the F6 key, which if you can't see that you've done that you'd have no idea what to try, or if I keep F6-pressing until I land in it the second time and then I get the announcement immediately upon re-entry to the Protected View Grouping.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

 

Hi,

Replied on the Win10 list, but for future reference: press F6 when you encounter a protected document in Word, and one of the controls will be a button that’ll let you enable editing.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

 

Hello All,

            If you haven't turned off Protected View in a given MS-Office program when you download a file opened by any program in the suite it opens in Protected View.

            On the Windows 10 group someone asked about how to get to the Enable Editing button using JAWS, and I couldn't (using JAWS 18).  I thought it must be a JAWS bug so I fired up NVDA, but get the same behavior.

             My first thought on getting to that button was, "Use the screen reader search for 'Enable Editing'," but when you try to invoke the screen reader search in either JAWS 18 or NVDA on a document in Protected View it consistently invokes the navigation pane which is, in Word, the program's search function.  You cannot get yourself to a control like the "Enable Editing" button from there and I have no idea of what the correct and/or convenient way is to route oneself directly to that button to enable editing if one wishes to do so.

             One of my step-by-step instruction sets, Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs, focuses on turning off Protected View because it can be such a PITA for screen reader users.

             What am I doing wrong here?  There has to be a way to get to that control.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 


Review scopes/modes: RE: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

 

Hi,
Changed the subject line to reflect what we're talking about.
I am the one who recorded that tutorial in 2015 (no need to update that one to 2017 edition, as Quentin did an awesome job with his guide).
Flat review is essentially an older version of screen review where you can use review cursor commands to move between controls on screen. The reason it was called "flat review" is because you can literally take a look at all available controls on screen for older apps (newer style apps won't let you use flat review or screen review). The biggest difference between flat review and screen review (as I briefly demonstrated in my tutorial) is the fact that, in screen review, wherever the review cursor goes, NVDA's object navigation tracker will follow you, whereas this isn't available in flat review.
Think of review modes as review scopes where you can tell review cursor where it can go:
* Object review: you can review the contents of a single object.
* Document review: you can review a browse mode document such as websites, PDF's and so on.
* Screen review: you can review controls on screen (not for newer style apps).
P.S. If I do record a tutorial, it'll be geared more towards would-be developers; the "ordinary users version" is now covered by Quentin's guide (and I was hoping someone would do a what's new audio guide for 2016.4 but that haven't materialized).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox: Firefox 52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows

i use windows xp and wish to know about flat review.

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It isn't a question of which is more simple. It's a question of
prefering one interface to the other. And it isn't a question of how
the modes work, but And the preference is for how you switch between
modes such as object and screen review. It's a question of how to
move between flat review, which is now called screen review and object
review. It's not worth changing versions because of this minor
difference. But since I don't need the newer features or
functionality of NVDA, I continue to use the old version. I don't
know the download link for the old version, if there is one.

If you want to know the difference between screen review and object
review, there is at least one tutorial that covers the matter as a
topic or subtopic. When not using screen review, you should make sure
to change the setting back to object review. Not doing so will cause
things like read current line not to work correctly some of the time.

You can look at the different topics covered in the tutorial at
http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/

It appears that the following sections would be relevant to your questions:
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 1 - introduction to objects, system focus and
caret versus navigator object and review cursor, object navigation and
review cursor commands.
NVDA Tutorial #3 part 2 - review modes, mouse, touchscreen navigation
revisited.

I haven't looked at the tutorial to any extent so I don't know if any
other sections might have a bearing on the subject but those appear to
be the two main relevant sections. Use the tutorial with recent or
current versins of NVDA. I don't recall what version of Windows you
are using but my old version won't work well, if at all in Windows 10.
I don't know how well it works in Windows 8.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks gene for answering my question.
i did not use nvda in the early years and i am not familiar with flat
review.
whats the different between it and screen or object review?
which one is more simple to use?
is it possible to download that version? if its so, from where? and
whats the link for it?

On 12/24/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
Try and see. It is always better to use the latest version, if
possible, for security reasons. Try using it.

Gene


From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 3:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


thanks brian for your guide.
whats the best version of firefox for xp users like me?
in both cpu amd and intel, but my cpu is intel!
thanks again for your help.

On 12/24/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
To be honest, Firefox 51 on Intel and 48 on amd chipped xp machines
seems to

be the limit at the moment. having tried to install the newer
versions, on Xp in an amd environment, trying to install anything
higher than 48 results

in a message about hardware not being compatible. these are older
singlecore

Athlon and sempron systems
In the case of Intel, Trying to update a machine with 51 on it to a
higher

better or whatever, is not possible on either my core duo laptop or
the Pentium 4 single core. they just won't install.

Obviously this may change if enough moan as with Dropbox.
However at present Dropbox 16.x will still run that work Intel machines.
However 13.x is the limit on xp with the AMD chips. there are steps
to deactivate auto update but you are warned that by march then it
could be be

that 13 will no longer be able to work with dropboxs system and you
will have to access via the web site.

I'm sure there are others. Flash plug ins being one of them, and of
course

Adobe reader has been only available in old versions for XP for some
years now, and Digital Editions never worked in Xp at all.

I tend to only use XP as a convenient way to have servers on my
network as they do not require passwords to get at the files these
days, and for that use they work well.


Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox

52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of Windows


To be honest they will keep xp going as long as its feesable to do so.
Eventually they will have to change.
The same will go for 7 8 and 10.
The only good thing we have going for us, is that as long as ms
keep their

desktop side we will have win7 going strong.
And even if ms drop their desktop side its unlikely they will ever
drop full keyboard and other desktop library support for a while if ever.



On 24/12/2016 8:42 a.m., Gene wrote:
I was wondering how long compatibility for such an old operating
system would be maintained. I don't know what the latest extended
release version is but those wishing to continue to use Firefox
and get security

updates might be able to use it longer as an extended release version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Attention Windows XP/Vista users using Firefox:
Firefox
52 will likely be the last one to support these versions of
Windows


Hi,



Came across via Twitter: it is likely that Firefox 52 will be the
last FF

version to run on Windows XP and Vista. The Bugzilla link can be
found
at:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322646



Cheers,

Joseph






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


NVDA and Protected View "Enable Editing" Button

 

Hello All,

            If you haven't turned off Protected View in a given MS-Office program when you download a file opened by any program in the suite it opens in Protected View.

            On the Windows 10 group someone asked about how to get to the Enable Editing button using JAWS, and I couldn't (using JAWS 18).  I thought it must be a JAWS bug so I fired up NVDA, but get the same behavior.

             My first thought on getting to that button was, "Use the screen reader search for 'Enable Editing'," but when you try to invoke the screen reader search in either JAWS 18 or NVDA on a document in Protected View it consistently invokes the navigation pane which is, in Word, the program's search function.  You cannot get yourself to a control like the "Enable Editing" button from there and I have no idea of what the correct and/or convenient way is to route oneself directly to that button to enable editing if one wishes to do so.

             One of my step-by-step instruction sets, Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs, focuses on turning off Protected View because it can be such a PITA for screen reader users.

             What am I doing wrong here?  There has to be a way to get to that control.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902