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locked Re: Issues:

Sarah k Alawami
 



On 13 Nov 2019, at 9:42, zahra wrote:

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

And that is what is going to hurt you in the end. I used to be this stubborn until I think it was nvda or something I was using broke, and I was forced to update. You do not want to be in that situation, so update nvda at least that way we can troubleshoot as if you are using old out of date software you might be, no, probably will be refused help, and no amount of prayer will get you that help from us. Sorry but the world moves on and you either move with it, or sink.

locked Re: Issues:

Shaun Oliver
 

no, we certainly will not, at least not so blatantly.


I have an XP laptop, but, there is a reason for having it, as the software I use to program one of my motorola radios will not run on anything else. however, that system will not and does not get put on the network, because of the already spoken of vulnerabilities.

On 14/11/2019 04:12, zahra wrote:
i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and
bite the bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your
own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?
Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker
online? As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and
slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket.
I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I
said in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.
It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or
operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to
upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of
line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system
is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up
security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first
place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the
like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are
notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better
performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and
age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to
hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even
if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure
that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that
they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,
I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page
as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good
place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know
when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more
than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never
use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I
hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to
press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I
have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.
It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All
I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA
2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear
is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and
after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: Issues:

Shaun Oliver
 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.


The fact you're running an XP system means you are open to more security vulnerabilities than you can poke a stick at.


Running a system that is long passed it's end of life cycle is complete and utter folly.


I know that on the whole, we are either afraid of change or don't wish to do so because what we have works, but, the fact that should you run in to trouble, you will find little to no support for the current system you have, save from those that still retain some knowledge of said system, puts you in a position that I personally would rather not see you in.


Ultimately, however, it is your choice.


yet, you really are not in a position to complain when inevitably, if you'll pardon the expression, the fit hits the shan.


On 14/11/2019 04:20, Arlene wrote:

Sarah is right. If your system dies and one day it will! You might want to just bite the bullet and get an updated system.  You can use your old browser and system forever all you like. If and when it breaks. It will be your lookout.  Just for your own piece and mind. You can’t stay on xp forever.  I did not know NVDA at that time. My xp box would not allow me to upgrade to jaws 11. I downgraded to ten it wasn’t good enough. I had to downgrade to nine. Then I realized I had to just let that computer go.  My xp days ended. I went to 7.  Then xp was just a dead hourse. Now 7 is soon going to be a dead hourse.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

 

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and

> bite the  bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your

> own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

>> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it

>> forever without update.

>> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i

>> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.

>> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become

>> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.

>> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God

>> bless you all!

>> 

>> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

>>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?

>>> Most of

>>> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker

>>> online?  As

>>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and

>>> slower.  I

>>> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket.

>>> I

>>> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I

>>> said in

>>> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.

>>> It worked

>>> okay when I had my old xp clunker.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria

>>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi, Sean,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or

>>> operating

>>> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to

>>> upgrade

>>> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Rosemarie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>>> Shaun

>>> Oliver

>>> 

>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

>>> 

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> 

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of

>>> line.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system

>>> is

>>> inherently flawed thinking.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up

>>> security

>>> 

>>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first

>>> place.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the

>>> like,

>>> 

>>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

>>> 

>>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are

>>> notified

>>> 

>>> of them.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

>>> 

>>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

>>> 

>>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

>>> 

>>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better

>>> performance

>>> 

>>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

>>> 

>>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

>>> 

>>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and

>>> age,

>>> 

>>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to

>>> hackers,

>>> 

>>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

>>> 

>>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even

>>> if

>>> 

>>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure

>>> that

>>> 

>>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that

>>> they

>>> 

>>> always run smoothly and efficiently.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,

>>>>> I'd say

>>> 

>>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

>>> 

>>>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page

>>>>> as

>>> 

>>>>> well.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> to subscribe to the feed click

>>>>> [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good

>>>>> place

>>> 

>>>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know

>>>>> when

>>> 

>>>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

>>> 

>>>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> hi.

>>> 

>>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?

>>> 

>>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more

>>>>>> than

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never

>>>>>> use

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox quantum.

>>> 

>>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>>>> Hi good people:

>>> 

>>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> 

>>>>>>> address.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I

>>>>>>> hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to

>>>>>>> press

>>> 

>>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "welcome

>>> 

>>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>> 

>>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> 

>>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I

>>>>>>> have

>>> 

>>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.

>>>>>>> It

>>> 

>>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All

>>>>>>> I

>>> 

>>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA

>>>>>>> 2019.2 on

>>> 

>>>>>>> my computer.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear

>>>>>>> is

>>> 

>>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> 

>>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and

>>>>>>> after

>>> 

>>>>>>> a

>>> 

>>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Kind regards.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> --

>>> 

>>>>>> By God,

>>> 

>>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens

>>> 

>>>>>> with all they contain

>>> 

>>>>>> in order that

>>> 

>>>>>> I may disobey God

>>> 

>>>>>> by depriving an ant

>>> 

>>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>>> 

>>>>>> I would not do it.

>>> 

>>>>>> imam ali

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

locked Re: Issues:

Shaun Oliver
 

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.


The fact you're running an XP system means you are open to more security vulnerabilities than you can poke a stick at.


Running a system that is long passed it's end of life cycle is complete and utter folly.


I know that on the whole, we are either afraid of change or don't wish to do so because what we have works, but, the fact that should you run in to trouble, you will find little to no support for the current system you have, save from those that still retain some knowledge of said system, puts you in a position that I personally would rather not see you in.


Ultimately, however, it is your choice.


yet, you really are not in a position to complain when inevitably, if you'll pardon the expression, the fit hits the shan.


On 14/11/2019 04:20, Arlene wrote:

Sarah is right. If your system dies and one day it will! You might want to just bite the bullet and get an updated system.  You can use your old browser and system forever all you like. If and when it breaks. It will be your lookout.  Just for your own piece and mind. You can’t stay on xp forever.  I did not know NVDA at that time. My xp box would not allow me to upgrade to jaws 11. I downgraded to ten it wasn’t good enough. I had to downgrade to nine. Then I realized I had to just let that computer go.  My xp days ended. I went to 7.  Then xp was just a dead hourse. Now 7 is soon going to be a dead hourse.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

 

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and

> bite the  bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your

> own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

>> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it

>> forever without update.

>> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i

>> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.

>> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become

>> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.

>> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God

>> bless you all!

>> 

>> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

>>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?

>>> Most of

>>> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker

>>> online?  As

>>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and

>>> slower.  I

>>> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket.

>>> I

>>> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I

>>> said in

>>> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.

>>> It worked

>>> okay when I had my old xp clunker.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria

>>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi, Sean,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or

>>> operating

>>> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to

>>> upgrade

>>> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Rosemarie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>>> Shaun

>>> Oliver

>>> 

>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

>>> 

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> 

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of

>>> line.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system

>>> is

>>> inherently flawed thinking.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up

>>> security

>>> 

>>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first

>>> place.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the

>>> like,

>>> 

>>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

>>> 

>>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are

>>> notified

>>> 

>>> of them.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

>>> 

>>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

>>> 

>>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

>>> 

>>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better

>>> performance

>>> 

>>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

>>> 

>>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

>>> 

>>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and

>>> age,

>>> 

>>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to

>>> hackers,

>>> 

>>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

>>> 

>>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even

>>> if

>>> 

>>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure

>>> that

>>> 

>>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that

>>> they

>>> 

>>> always run smoothly and efficiently.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,

>>>>> I'd say

>>> 

>>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

>>> 

>>>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page

>>>>> as

>>> 

>>>>> well.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> to subscribe to the feed click

>>>>> [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good

>>>>> place

>>> 

>>>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know

>>>>> when

>>> 

>>>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

>>> 

>>>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> hi.

>>> 

>>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?

>>> 

>>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more

>>>>>> than

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never

>>>>>> use

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox quantum.

>>> 

>>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>>>> Hi good people:

>>> 

>>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> 

>>>>>>> address.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I

>>>>>>> hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to

>>>>>>> press

>>> 

>>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "welcome

>>> 

>>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>> 

>>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> 

>>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I

>>>>>>> have

>>> 

>>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.

>>>>>>> It

>>> 

>>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All

>>>>>>> I

>>> 

>>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA

>>>>>>> 2019.2 on

>>> 

>>>>>>> my computer.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear

>>>>>>> is

>>> 

>>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> 

>>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and

>>>>>>> after

>>> 

>>>>>>> a

>>> 

>>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Kind regards.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> --

>>> 

>>>>>> By God,

>>> 

>>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens

>>> 

>>>>>> with all they contain

>>> 

>>>>>> in order that

>>> 

>>>>>> I may disobey God

>>> 

>>>>>> by depriving an ant

>>> 

>>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>>> 

>>>>>> I would not do it.

>>> 

>>>>>> imam ali

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

locked Re: Issues:

Arlene
 

Hi, what’s the latest version of firefox?  Like I said, I haven’t installed it on this new ten system.  I keep thinking I’m on old 7 witch broke down lol!  I forgot what I had wen I was on my dead horse. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Sorry but firefox version 3.5 is really old now. It's time to upgrade to a new version.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:10 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

but for firefox, even version 3.5 works!

i tried it with many websites and it worked especially for me that deactivate javascript.

God bless you!

 

On 11/13/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may

> be a year or two, it may be a number of years.  But at some point, it

> will become so limited in the number of sites that work with it that

> you will have to change.  As browsers age, sites change and older

> browsers will work with increasingly  less of them.  So saying that

> you will never change makes no sense.  Saying that you will use x or y

> as long as you can makes sense.  I'm not saying it makes good sense,

> but it makes sense in matching facts about long term use.

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it

> forever without update.

> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i

> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.

> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become

> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.

> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God

> bless you all!

> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?

>> Most of those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?

>> As

>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and

>> slower.  I had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked

>> the bucket. I ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on

>> this box like I said in an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox

>> works with win ten.  It worked okay when I had my old xp clunker.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria

>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi, Sean,

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or

>> operating system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody

>> refuses to upgrade or update a screen reader, then they're just

>> asking for trouble.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Rosemarie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> 

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Shaun Oliver

>> 

>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

>> 

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> 

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system

>> is inherently flawed thinking.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up

>> security

>> 

>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the

>> like,

>> 

>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

>> 

>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are

>> notified

>> 

>> of them.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

>> 

>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

>> 

>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

>> 

>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better

>> performance

>> 

>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

>> 

>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

>> 

>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and

>> age,

>> 

>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to

>> hackers,

>> 

>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

>> 

>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even

>> if

>> 

>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure

>> that

>> 

>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that

>> they

>> 

>> always run smoothly and efficiently.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

>> 

>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

>> 

>>> 

>> 

>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>> 

>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,

>>>> I'd say

>> 

>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

>> 

>>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page

>>>> as

>> 

>>>> well.

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> to subscribe to the feed click

>>>> [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good

>>>> place

>> 

>>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know

>>>> when

>> 

>>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

>> 

>>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>>> hi.

>> 

>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> 

>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more

>>>>> than

>> 

>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never

>>>>> use

>> 

>>>>> firefox quantum.

>> 

>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> 

>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>> 

>>>>>> Hi good people:

>> 

>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>> 

>>>>>> address.

>> 

>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>> 

>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I

>>>>>> hear

>> 

>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to

>>>>>> press

>> 

>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>> 

>>>>>> "welcome

>> 

>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>> 

>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>> 

>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I

>>>>>> have

>> 

>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>> 

>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.

>>>>>> It

>> 

>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All

>>>>>> I

>> 

>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>> 

>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA

>>>>>> 2019.2 on

>> 

>>>>>> my computer.

>> 

>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>> 

>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>> 

>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear

>>>>>> is

>> 

>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>> 

>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>> 

>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and

>>>>>> after

>> 

>>>>>> a

>> 

>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>> 

>>>>>> I need help with both issues.

>> 

>>>>>> Kind regards.

>> 

>>>>>> Ibrahim.

>> 

>>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>> --

>> 

>>>>> By God,

>> 

>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> 

>>>>> with all they contain

>> 

>>>>> in order that

>> 

>>>>> I may disobey God

>> 

>>>>> by depriving an ant

>> 

>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> 

>>>>> I would not do it.

>> 

>>>>> imam ali

>> 

>>>>> 

>> 

>>>>> 

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>>> 

>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> --

> By God,

> were I given all the seven heavens

> with all they contain

> in order that

> I may disobey God

> by depriving an ant

> from the husk of a grain of barley,

> I would not do it.

> imam ali

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

locked Re: Issues:

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Sorry but firefox version 3.5 is really old now. It's time to upgrade to a new version.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 6:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

but for firefox, even version 3.5 works!
i tried it with many websites and it worked especially for me that deactivate javascript.
God bless you!

On 11/13/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may
be a year or two, it may be a number of years. But at some point, it
will become so limited in the number of sites that work with it that
you will have to change. As browsers age, sites change and older
browsers will work with increasingly less of them. So saying that
you will never change makes no sense. Saying that you will use x or y
as long as you can makes sense. I'm not saying it makes good sense,
but it makes sense in matching facts about long term use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:


as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?
Most of those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?
As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and
slower. I had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked
the bucket. I ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on
this box like I said in an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox
works with win ten. It worked okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or
operating system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody
refuses to upgrade or update a screen reader, then they're just
asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system
is inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up
security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the
like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are
notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better
performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and
age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to
hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even
if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure
that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that
they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,
I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page
as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good
place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know
when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more
than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never
use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I
hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to
press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I
have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.
It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All
I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA
2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear
is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and
after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

Arlene
 

Sarah is right. If your system dies and one day it will! You might want to just bite the bullet and get an updated system.  You can use your old browser and system forever all you like. If and when it breaks. It will be your lookout.  Just for your own piece and mind. You can’t stay on xp forever.  I did not know NVDA at that time. My xp box would not allow me to upgrade to jaws 11. I downgraded to ten it wasn’t good enough. I had to downgrade to nine. Then I realized I had to just let that computer go.  My xp days ended. I went to 7.  Then xp was just a dead hourse. Now 7 is soon going to be a dead hourse.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 13, 2019 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

 

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and

> bite the  bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your

> own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

>> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it

>> forever without update.

>> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i

>> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.

>> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become

>> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.

>> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God

>> bless you all!

>> 

>> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

>>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?

>>> Most of

>>> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker

>>> online?  As

>>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and

>>> slower.  I

>>> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket.

>>> I

>>> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I

>>> said in

>>> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.

>>> It worked

>>> okay when I had my old xp clunker.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria

>>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Hi, Sean,

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or

>>> operating

>>> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to

>>> upgrade

>>> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Rosemarie

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> 

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>>> Shaun

>>> Oliver

>>> 

>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

>>> 

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> 

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of

>>> line.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system

>>> is

>>> inherently flawed thinking.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up

>>> security

>>> 

>>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first

>>> place.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the

>>> like,

>>> 

>>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

>>> 

>>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are

>>> notified

>>> 

>>> of them.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

>>> 

>>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

>>> 

>>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

>>> 

>>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better

>>> performance

>>> 

>>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

>>> 

>>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

>>> 

>>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and

>>> age,

>>> 

>>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to

>>> hackers,

>>> 

>>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

>>> 

>>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even

>>> if

>>> 

>>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure

>>> that

>>> 

>>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that

>>> they

>>> 

>>> always run smoothly and efficiently.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,

>>>>> I'd say

>>> 

>>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

>>> 

>>>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page

>>>>> as

>>> 

>>>>> well.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> to subscribe to the feed click

>>>>> [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good

>>>>> place

>>> 

>>>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know

>>>>> when

>>> 

>>>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

>>> 

>>>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> hi.

>>> 

>>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?

>>> 

>>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more

>>>>>> than

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never

>>>>>> use

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox quantum.

>>> 

>>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>>> 

>>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> 

>>>>>>> Hi good people:

>>> 

>>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> 

>>>>>>> address.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I

>>>>>>> hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to

>>>>>>> press

>>> 

>>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> 

>>>>>>> "welcome

>>> 

>>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>> 

>>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> 

>>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I

>>>>>>> have

>>> 

>>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.

>>>>>>> It

>>> 

>>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All

>>>>>>> I

>>> 

>>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA

>>>>>>> 2019.2 on

>>> 

>>>>>>> my computer.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> 

>>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> 

>>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear

>>>>>>> is

>>> 

>>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> 

>>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and

>>>>>>> after

>>> 

>>>>>>> a

>>> 

>>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> 

>>>>>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Kind regards.

>>> 

>>>>>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> --

>>> 

>>>>>> By God,

>>> 

>>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens

>>> 

>>>>>> with all they contain

>>> 

>>>>>> in order that

>>> 

>>>>>> I may disobey God

>>> 

>>>>>> by depriving an ant

>>> 

>>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>>> 

>>>>>> I would not do it.

>>> 

>>>>>> imam ali

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>>> 

>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

locked Re: Issues:

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Don't be surprised if you end up getting some kind of virus or something and you can't use your computer anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and
bite the bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on
your own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to
become worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?
Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker
online? As my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting
slower and slower. I had to use it for my online course. When that
box kicked the bucket.
I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I
said in an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win
ten.
It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or
operating system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody
refuses to upgrade or update a screen reader, then they're just
asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of
line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating
system is inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up
security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first
place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the
like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are
notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning
curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better
performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal
belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and
age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to
hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us
as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date.
even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure
that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that
they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,
I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn
page as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good
place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know
when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more
than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never
use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I
hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to
press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I
have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.
It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.
All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA
2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I
hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and
after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

 

i use my favorite versions of everythings forever.

On 11/13/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and
bite the bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your
own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box?
Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker
online? As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and
slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket.
I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I
said in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.
It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or
operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to
upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of
line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system
is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up
security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first
place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the
like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are
notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better
performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and
age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to
hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even
if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure
that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that
they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues,
I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page
as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good
place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know
when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more
than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never
use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I
hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to
press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I
have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.
It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All
I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA
2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear
is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and
after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

Sarah k Alawami
 

You will regret yoru statement soon enough. Just update everything and bite the bullett. We have had this discussion before but it is on your own head if somethingn brakes. We will not say I told you so.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Nov 2019, at 23:01, zahra wrote:

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online? As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket. I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten. It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when

we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.

which version of firefox do you use?

for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

firefox quantum.

i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

Hi good people:

I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

address.

The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press

the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

"welcome

to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:

Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It

sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I

hear is Icon Icon.

Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

my computer.

I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

The second issue or problem is this:

When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

I hope this particular problem is well understood.

How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

a

long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

I need help with both issues.

Kind regards.

Ibrahim.

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

Gene
 

there has been a change in security used on a lot of sites and a browser that old won't even load pages from a great many sites now.  I don't know enough to discuss the issue technically.  it isn't certain, but I consider it a good guess that things will change over time in such ways that even current browsers now won't be able to work with a lot of sites properly many years from now.
 
Also, I don't use JAVA unless a site requires it, but increasingly, sites require it to see all the content on the site.
 
I don't want to pursue the topic on this list because it is something that should be on the chat list or another list, but I'm saying that you are making factually incorrect statements.  You can't use old programs indefinitely. 
 
Gene
----- Original Messahge -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

but for firefox, even version 3.5 works!
i tried it with many websites and it worked especially for me that
deactivate javascript.
God bless you!

On 11/13/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may be a
> year or two, it may be a number of years.  But at some point, it will become
> so limited in the number of sites that work with it that you will have to
> change.  As browsers age, sites change and older browsers will work with
> increasingly  less of them.  So saying that you will never change makes no
> sense.  Saying that you will use x or y as long as you can makes sense.  I'm
> not saying it makes good sense, but it makes sense in matching facts about
> long term use.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>
>
> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
> forever without update.
> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
> bless you all!
>
> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
>> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?
>> As
>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower.  I
>> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket. I
>> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said
>> in
>> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.  It
>> worked
>> okay when I had my old xp clunker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Sean,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
>> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to
>> upgrade
>> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
>> Oliver
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
>> inherently flawed thinking.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
>>
>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
>>
>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
>>
>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
>>
>> of them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
>>
>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
>>
>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
>>
>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
>>
>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
>>
>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
>>
>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
>>
>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
>>
>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
>>
>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
>>
>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
>>
>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
>>
>> always run smoothly and efficiently.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
>>
>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd
>>>> say
>>
>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
>>
>>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
>>
>>>> well.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
>>
>>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when
>>
>>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
>>
>>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> hi.
>>
>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?
>>
>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
>>
>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
>>
>>>>> firefox quantum.
>>
>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
>>
>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>
>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
>>
>>>>>> address.
>>
>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
>>
>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
>>
>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
>>
>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
>>
>>>>>> "welcome
>>
>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
>>
>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
>>
>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
>>
>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
>>
>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
>>
>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
>>
>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.
>>
>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
>>
>>>>>> my computer.
>>
>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
>>
>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:
>>
>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
>>
>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
>>
>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
>>
>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
>>
>>>>>> a
>>
>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
>>
>>>>>> I need help with both issues.
>>
>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>
>>>>>> Ibrahim.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> --
>>
>>>>> By God,
>>
>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>>
>>>>> with all they contain
>>
>>>>> in order that
>>
>>>>> I may disobey God
>>
>>>>> by depriving an ant
>>
>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>>
>>>>> I would not do it.
>>
>>>>> imam ali
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: Issues:

 

but for firefox, even version 3.5 works!
i tried it with many websites and it worked especially for me that
deactivate javascript.
God bless you!

On 11/13/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may be a
year or two, it may be a number of years. But at some point, it will become
so limited in the number of sites that work with it that you will have to
change. As browsers age, sites change and older browsers will work with
increasingly less of them. So saying that you will never change makes no
sense. Saying that you will use x or y as long as you can makes sense. I'm
not saying it makes good sense, but it makes sense in matching facts about
long term use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:


as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?
As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket. I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said
in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten. It
worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to
upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd
say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali















--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

Gene
 

You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may be a year or two, it may be a number of years.  But at some point, it will become so limited in the number of sites that work with it that you will have to change.  As browsers age, sites change and older browsers will work with increasingly  less of them.  So saying that you will never change makes no sense.  Saying that you will use x or y as long as you can makes sense.  I'm not saying it makes good sense, but it makes sense in matching facts about long term use.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?  As
> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower.  I
> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket. I
> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said in
> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.  It worked
> okay when I had my old xp clunker.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
>
>
> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>
>
>
> Hi, Sean,
>
>
>
> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade
> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
> Oliver
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>
>
>
> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.
>
>
>
>
>
> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
> inherently flawed thinking.
>
>
>
>
>
> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
>
> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.
>
>
>
>
>
> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
>
> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
>
> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
>
> of them.
>
>
>
>
>
> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
>
> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
>
> aforementioned vulnerabilities.
>
>
>
>
>
> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
>
> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
>
> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
>
> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
>
> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
>
> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
>
> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.
>
>
>
>
>
> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
>
> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
>
> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
>
> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
>
> always run smoothly and efficiently.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
>
>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
>
>>
>
>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>
>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
>
>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
>
>>>
>
>>> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
>
>>> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
>
>>> well.
>
>>>
>
>>> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
>
>>>
>
>>> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
>
>>> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
>
>>>
>
>>> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when
>
>>> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
>
>>> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
>
>>>
>
>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
>
>>>
>
>>>> hi.
>
>>>> which version of firefox do you use?
>
>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
>
>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
>
>>>> firefox quantum.
>
>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
>
>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
>
>>>>
>
>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
>
>>>>> Hi good people:
>
>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
>
>>>>> address.
>
>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
>
>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
>
>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
>
>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
>
>>>>> "welcome
>
>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
>
>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
>
>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
>
>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
>
>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
>
>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
>
>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.
>
>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
>
>>>>> my computer.
>
>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
>
>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:
>
>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
>
>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
>
>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
>
>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
>
>>>>> a
>
>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
>
>>>>> I need help with both issues.
>
>>>>> Kind regards.
>
>>>>> Ibrahim.
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>> --
>
>>>> By God,
>
>>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>
>>>> with all they contain
>
>>>> in order that
>
>>>> I may disobey God
>
>>>> by depriving an ant
>
>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>
>>>> I would not do it.
>
>>>> imam ali
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


locked Re: Issues:

Gene
 

I didn't say they wouldn't work.  I'm saying that some sites work better in important ways with Firefox and some with Chrome.  I would think that two Chrome-based browsers would handle the same sites poorly, or would be likely to.  I'm saying that using two browsers, the new Microsoft one, which is still in beta and I don't think you have it yet, and Chrome from Google, means that you are using two browsers that are too similar to get the advantage of using a combination like Chrome, any Chrome, and Firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

Gene, some sites if you visit them with IE. You are told that this site is not supported. So I go to it using Chrome or edge and it does work.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

The new Microsoft browser that will replace the current Edge is based on Chrome, the open source version.  That is also what the Google Chrome browser is based on.  I suspect that if one Chrome-based browser has problems with a web page or doesn't do something well on it, the other one will have the same or similar problems.  Therefore, I would urge you to place Firefox on the machine.  You may want to use it as your secondary browser, for sites that don't work well with Chrome.  Internet Explorer is going to be retired.  I don't know when, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is retired within between one and two years.  And it is very old technologically.  It hasn't received anything but security updates for years. 

 

In short, you are probably using two browsers that will respond very similarly on web pages and Internet Explorer will be retired and is already not working well on some web pages because it is so technologically archaic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

> [here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

Re: Editing text using NVDA Braille Input

laura.picknell@...
 

Thanks Abbie. That's really helpful.

I wasn't sure if I was just doing it wrong and there was a way it could be done, seemed odd to not be able to do it using the braille display!

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #addonrelease

 

Hi,

So it looks like this is an issue with Add-on Updater then. I’m wondering if you have the latest version of that ad-on as well, and if yes, this is concerning – you might be the first person to report this odd behavior. I’ll keep an eye on it.

Cheers,
Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I was able to update the app from the web site.  Thanks for your suggestion.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Can you try installing it from community add-ons website instead of using Add-on Updater? If you can install it from addons.nvda-project.org, chances are that it might be an Add-on Updater problem.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Version 1909 os build 18363.476

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you can do this by listening to what the version YYMM info is. Another method is using Resource Monitor add-on – if you’ve got that add-on, press NVDA+Shift+number row 6, and it’ll tell you which Windows version you are using.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I use the add on updater.

How do I retrieve the build info using winver?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

What method did you use to attempt to install this? If it is add-on Updater, chances are that it might be something I need to investigate from that add-on; if it is downloading the add-on from community add-ons website, that gives me a reason to investigate more.

The most likely explanation might be that you might be running 1803, which may not be the case. Can you tell me exactly which build of Windows 10 you’ve got? You can check it by opening Start menu, typing “winver” (without quotes) to search box and pressing Enter. If the build is 17134, this will explain why because Windows 10 App Essentials requires build 17763 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

Unfortunately this new version of the add on still gives me an error saying not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using 1903 and nvda February 1st.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:10 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2 is now available. This release adds support for announcing results of tile rearrangements – after arranging Action Center quick actions or Start menu tiles, NVDA will announce new item position or item information. As always, the new update is available via community add-ons website or via Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: if you are using Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update), please read the following to the end:

 

Support for Version 1809 from Windows 10 App Essentials is coming to a close. Depending on which channel you are subscribed to and NVDA version you’ve got:

 

  • Development channel: November 12th snapshot onwards (today) will require Version 1903 (build 18362) or later.
  • Development channel optimized for NVDA 2019.3: a snapshot scheduled shortly after NVDACon 2019 will drop support for Version 1809.
  • Stable channel: early 2020.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

locked Re: Issues:

 

hello.
please read my previous comment.
its my decision to use my best version of anythings and its a firm
belief for me that nvda 2017.2 and firefox 52.3 are the best for me
and i never update them.
as windows, xp or seven maybe in the future, do the job and meet my
need and i dont use and dont want more.
i am very happy of my decision and i appreciate God because of His
infinite favours, mercy and blessings!

On 11/12/19, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:
I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.


Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.


Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.


While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
of them.


There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
aforementioned vulnerabilities.


In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.


Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.


I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
always run smoothly and efficiently.


On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.


Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

 

as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
forever without update.
also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
bless you all!

On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online? As
my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower. I
had to use it for my online course. When that box kicked the bucket. I
ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said in
an earlier message. I don’t know how firefox works with win ten. It worked
okay when I had my old xp clunker.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



Hi, Sean,



I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to upgrade
or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.



Rosemarie







-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Oliver

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:



I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.





Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
inherently flawed thinking.





Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security

holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.





While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,

they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are

noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified

of them.





There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,

they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the

aforementioned vulnerabilities.





In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb

from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance

and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing

everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.





Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,

that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,

where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,

are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.





I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as

competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if

we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that

someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they

always run smoothly and efficiently.





On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say
update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as
well.
to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place
for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.
Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK) is where you will know when
we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.
Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)
On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
hi.
which version of firefox do you use?
for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
firefox quantum.
i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <@kobisko> wrote:
Hi good people:
I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
address.
The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
"loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again. I have to press
the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
"welcome
to NVDA dialog. What exactly is happening here:
Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
internet. Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website. It
sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything. All I
hear is Icon Icon.
Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
my computer.
I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
The second issue or problem is this:
When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
I hope this particular problem is well understood.
How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
a
long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
I need help with both issues.
Kind regards.
Ibrahim.
--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali














--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

locked Re: Issues:

Arlene
 

Gene, some sites if you visit them with IE. You are told that this site is not supported. So I go to it using Chrome or edge and it does work.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: November 12, 2019 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

The new Microsoft browser that will replace the current Edge is based on Chrome, the open source version.  That is also what the Google Chrome browser is based on.  I suspect that if one Chrome-based browser has problems with a web page or doesn't do something well on it, the other one will have the same or similar problems.  Therefore, I would urge you to place Firefox on the machine.  You may want to use it as your secondary browser, for sites that don't work well with Chrome.  Internet Explorer is going to be retired.  I don't know when, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is retired within between one and two years.  And it is very old technologically.  It hasn't received anything but security updates for years. 

 

In short, you are probably using two browsers that will respond very similarly on web pages and Internet Explorer will be retired and is already not working well on some web pages because it is so technologically archaic. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

Oh my, If you don’t update your system. You are asking for trouble!  As for firefox, I never installed it on my new system.  I have 3 browsers.  That’s good enough.  On my old windows 7 Firefox often crashed.  I don’t know if it was just the computer itself.  It would not let me update firefox.  After my 7 box died. I never did install it on this new system.  I use IE or Chrome. I am trying Microsoft Edge. Should IE quit working. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: zahra
Sent: November 11, 2019 11:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

 

i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.

 

On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd say

> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.

> Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our

> [website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com) This is also our libsyn page as

> well.

> to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)

> Our [telegram](https://t.me/tffppodcast) channel is also a good place

> for an announce only  in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

> Our [discord](https://discord.gg/fr7MaVK)  is where you will know when

> we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

> Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go

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> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:

>> hi.

>> which version of firefox do you use?

>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than

>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use

>> firefox quantum.

>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of

>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.

>> 

>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:

>>> Hi good people:

>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to

>>> address.

>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.

>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear

>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press

>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear

>>> "welcome

>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:

>>>  Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the

>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have

>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.

>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It

>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I

>>> hear is Icon Icon.

>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on

>>> my computer.

>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.

>>> The second issue or problem is this:

>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is

>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.

>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.

>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after

>>> a

>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.

>>> I need help with both issues.

>>> Kind regards.

>>> Ibrahim.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> --

>> By God,

>> were I given all the seven heavens

>> with all they contain

>> in order that

>> I may disobey God

>> by depriving an ant

>> from the husk of a grain of barley,

>> I would not do it.

>> imam ali

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

By God,

were I given all the seven heavens

with all they contain

in order that

I may disobey God

by depriving an ant

from the husk of a grain of barley,

I would not do it.

imam ali

 

 

 

 

Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #addonrelease

Gary Metzler
 

Hi Joseph,

 

I was able to update the app from the web site.  Thanks for your suggestion.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Can you try installing it from community add-ons website instead of using Add-on Updater? If you can install it from addons.nvda-project.org, chances are that it might be an Add-on Updater problem.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Version 1909 os build 18363.476

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you can do this by listening to what the version YYMM info is. Another method is using Resource Monitor add-on – if you’ve got that add-on, press NVDA+Shift+number row 6, and it’ll tell you which Windows version you are using.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I use the add on updater.

How do I retrieve the build info using winver?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

What method did you use to attempt to install this? If it is add-on Updater, chances are that it might be something I need to investigate from that add-on; if it is downloading the add-on from community add-ons website, that gives me a reason to investigate more.

The most likely explanation might be that you might be running 1803, which may not be the case. Can you tell me exactly which build of Windows 10 you’ve got? You can check it by opening Start menu, typing “winver” (without quotes) to search box and pressing Enter. If the build is 17134, this will explain why because Windows 10 App Essentials requires build 17763 or later.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

Unfortunately this new version of the add on still gives me an error saying not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using 1903 and nvda February 1st.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:10 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2, important announcements on Version 1809 support #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.2 is now available. This release adds support for announcing results of tile rearrangements – after arranging Action Center quick actions or Start menu tiles, NVDA will announce new item position or item information. As always, the new update is available via community add-ons website or via Add-on Updater.

 

IMPORTANT: if you are using Windows 10 Version 1809 (October 2018 Update), please read the following to the end:

 

Support for Version 1809 from Windows 10 App Essentials is coming to a close. Depending on which channel you are subscribed to and NVDA version you’ve got:

 

  • Development channel: November 12th snapshot onwards (today) will require Version 1903 (build 18362) or later.
  • Development channel optimized for NVDA 2019.3: a snapshot scheduled shortly after NVDACon 2019 will drop support for Version 1809.
  • Stable channel: early 2020.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph