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Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

Using the current infrastructure, the best way is letting NVDA query a table of add-on identifiers and versions, which must be updated whenever new add-ons are registered and updates are released (still a manual intervention). Note that this fails for add-ons that receive updates from websites other than GitHub and ones that come with their own update mechanism. All this will change once add-ons store idea becomes reality, which will also make Add-on Updater and update mechanisms in other add-ons obsolete.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #AddonRelease

 

Is there a way this can be somewhat automated so you don't have to add every new add on that gets posted to the community website?


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Is there a way this can be somewhat automated so you don't have to add every new add on that gets posted to the community website?


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Well joseph I guess with this latest addon most things are ready for the next feature update I think we have a week left before it goes.

It sounds really sollid.



On 20/05/2020 7:11 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06 is now available. As an add-on that has gone through one of the most changes as a result of Flake8, along with not breaking update facility for other add-ons, this add-on became the last one to get 20.06. As always, Add-on Updater 20.06 is available through community add-ons website, or ironically enough, through Add-on Updater itself.

 

And with that, I’m taking a break from NVDA add-ons world for a while. The next releases will be done in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

Pele West
 

Hi Joseph

Have a good break.

thanks for all the work you have put in to make NVDA a better
screenreader.

Pele West


And finally, Add-on Updater 20.06 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Add-on Updater 20.06 is now available. As an add-on that has gone through one of the most changes as a result of Flake8, along with not breaking update facility for other add-ons, this add-on became the last one to get 20.06. As always, Add-on Updater 20.06 is available through community add-ons website, or ironically enough, through Add-on Updater itself.

 

And with that, I’m taking a break from NVDA add-ons world for a while. The next releases will be done in July.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: The next evolution of NVDA?

Sean
 

This addon is not an AI example.
OCR is not AI in general.

And yes. 20 years of screen readers are now interested in AI.
There is work on this at GSoC. Recognication  the objects of images etc.

Currently an experienced user can do whatever they want with a screen reader like NVDA.
Almost all obstacles disappear with AI.

On 19/05/2020 02:29, Brian Vogel wrote:
For those who want to know more about SIBIAC, see:  https://reaperaccessibility.com/index.php/SIBIAC_add_on_for_NVDA

It is strictly for Reaper and requires a minimum screen resolution of 1920x1080, which would rule it out for me on a laptop.

AI is a marvelous thing, and there will definitely be major advances in the coming years.  But it will be a very long time before it comes close to what wetware (the human brain) can do.  Not to mention that AI, like other humans, will make choices that you, personally, may not prefer,a particularly until it trains itself to you.

It's interesting to see what people envision as far as AI.  I've been saying for a long time that if we could train a screen reader to consider a web page the way most sighted individuals do when they see them, which means instantly ignoring an awful lot of stuff, it would be so much faster to get to the information that's generally being sought.  But even then, what I consider extraneous you may consider essential, or vice versa.  But that's not likely to be the case for things like navigation bars and the collections of links that appear at the bottom (and sometimes top) of a very great many web pages.  If those get used once every hundred visits to most sites, with the exception of newspapers where their sections are generally presented near the top, that's probably an overestimate.
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StationPlaylist 20.06, accepting user suggestions until end of May #addonrelease

 

Hello everyone,

 

StationPlaylist add-on version 20.06 is now available. Besides Flake8 work, this version retires time-based broadcast profiles, Window-Eyes layout for SPL Assistant, among other changes. As always, the new release is available from community add-ons website and via Add-on Updater:

 

IMPORTANT NOTICES:

 

  • Due to an upcoming change to how settings for encoders are handled, 20.06 is a mandatory update for everyone.
  • As some of you may know, I plan to hand over the add-on to the NVDA community next year in hopes that folks can improve it. As a preparation for that, I’ll be switching the add-on to bug fix mode this fall. Before doing so, I’m interested in gathering suggestions about the add-on from you so I can think about them in coming weeks. But you need to hurry: the deadline for submitting feature suggestions is May 31, 2020. You can submit feedback via NVDA-SPL mailing list or to me privately (email or Twitter; my Twitter handle is @joslee). By end of summer, I’ll let you know if your suggestions can be done.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Laurie Mehta
 

Thank you,
Laurie

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:01:08 AM PDT, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


This isn't an NVDA question.  I'll answer it but I won't discuss it further here, but in the chat group.
One way is to use alt b to open book marks.  Find the one you want, open the context menu, find delete and press enter.  Before you press enter the first time, note the short cut letter, I think its d.  From now on, open the context menu and type d, if my memory is correct about the short cut.
 
You can use the search book marks feature but you have to get to it in a different way now.  
Control I doesn't open book mark search in most parts of the program interface now.
Instead, use this cumbersome method.  I think that often, searching for a bookmark is convenient enough that fooling around with the cumbersome interface is worth it.
 
Open the library part of Firefox that deals with book marks with control shift b.
Shift tab twice.  Type what you are looking for.  Tab once.  You will see search results. 
Press enter on the one you want, you are working just as if you were in control I results now.
Then, once the desired page loads, alt tab to library and close it with alt f4.
 
If you want to see the tree view you saw with control I when you tabbed once without typing anything, do the following:
Open the library, control shift b, and shift tab once.  You are now in the tree view.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:35 AM
Subject: [nvda] Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Hello,
I have Firefox 76.0.1 64bit on this laptop running Win7. I would like to clean up my bookmarks. There was a method I had used in the past involving control+i which now seems to not work as it had previously.
Googling led me to hear of a way to remove a bookmark where you click an icon on the address bar-- something I had no luck in finding how to access that icon from the address bar.
How can I remove bookmarks, either one at a time or in multiples, using only the keyboard with NVDA?
Thanks!
--Laurie M.


Re: Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

Laurie Mehta
 

Thank you very much Chris! That took me to the library of bookmarks where I could navigate to the ones I wanted to remove and then used shift-F10 to get the context menu to delete.
This was very helpful. Thanks!
-Laurie


On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:58:09 AM PDT, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:


I think you may be looking for ctrl+shift+B

 

 

From: Laurie Mehta via groups.io
Sent: 19 May 2020 17:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Question: Removing Bookmarks In Mozilla Firefox Using NVDA and Keyboard-- not mouse

 

Hello,
I have Firefox 76.0.1 64bit on this laptop running Win7. I would like to clean up my bookmarks. There was a method I had used in the past involving control+i which now seems to not work as it had previously.
Googling led me to hear of a way to remove a bookmark where you click an icon on the address bar-- something I had no luck in finding how to access that icon from the address bar.
How can I remove bookmarks, either one at a time or in multiples, using only the keyboard with NVDA?
Thanks!
--Laurie M.

 


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Hmmm, In this case, I have nothing to say.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi Joseph,

 

No, NVDA did not prompt me to restart. It did prompt me to shut it down. I heard the shutting down sound, then it just sat there. That’s when I restarted it manually. Hope this helps.

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Joseph,

 

No, NVDA did not prompt me to restart. It did prompt me to shut it down. I heard the shutting down sound, then it just sat there. That’s when I restarted it manually. Hope this helps.

 

Janet

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


Re: reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you for checking it out. I will try to find a way to contact them. I tried responding to the email but that did not work.


Betsy

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: 05/19/2020 02:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading what seems to be a blank email

Betsy,

           I did receive the forwarded copy and have played with it, to the same end result you had.  If this is an organization you deal with frequently, they should be made aware that they are using HTML coding that is both non-standard and not accessible.

           Even if I click in to the text itself, you get nothing with a read all or any motion through the text.  It's as though there's a "cloak of invisibility" placed over it.  This is not in any way characteristic of most HTML formatted messages (which should be as accessible as web pages are).

            It's always good to have several tricks in your back pocket, as Gene has suggested, for dealing with this when you need to.  But, the people that should be dealing with the issue are those generating the message to begin with.  It probably takes more effort to create and inaccessible HTML message than a correctly formatted one.  This is the first I've ever dealt with that has the total "cloak of invisibility" quality.  Very weird.

--

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Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Lino Morales
 

Hi Joseph. I get this from time to time as well. NVDA will beep for what seems like forever and I sometimes have to manually update it.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet

 


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Dan Beaver
 

Hmmm, interesting.  It prompted me about restarting NVDA.  No problems here.


Dan Beaver

On 5/19/2020 6:09 PM, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hi,

Did NVDA prompt you to restart after installing the add-on? Normally it should (if it didn’t and you used Add-on Updater to update, that’s something I need to think about).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


FYI, Windows 10 Essentials Update

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I just wanted to let you know that, at least for me, NVDA did not automatically restart after installing the most recent Windows 10 App Essentials update. I had to restart NVDA manually. In case your computer stops talking for a long time after you have shut NVDA down as instructed, try this. I know this sounds pretty basic, but there may be users out here who get hung up by this.

 

Cheers,

 

Janet


Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

David Goldfield
 

I've filed a new bug with Mozilla documenting these issues.


On 5/19/2020 6:00 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also hear it, sending message, connecting to smtp server, etc. And I don't have a slow machine either.
This is with 68. Not sure if it is nvda related. The rest of the stuff doesn't speak though, and I have the status line hidden to my knowledge.

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On 19 May 2020, at 14:44, Governor staten wrote:

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also hear it, sending message, connecting to smtp server, etc. And I don't have a slow machine either.
This is with 68. Not sure if it is nvda related. The rest of the stuff doesn't speak though, and I have the status line hidden to my knowledge.

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On 19 May 2020, at 14:44, Governor staten wrote:

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: Thunderbird 68.8.0: Unwanted Verbosity Is Improved But Not Fixed

 

I have seen the same thing as you have, David. I don't know what the issue is.





On 5/10/2020 3:27 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Hello.

The release notes for TB 68.8.0 indicates that the extra messages heard by screen readers has been addressed. While the situation may have improved I don't believe that this issue has been totally addressed.

1. When pressing enter to open a message NVDA begins to announce something which sounds like "loading message" but the announcement is usually cut off fairly quickly. I suspect that this could be happening more on slower machines.

2. When a message that I am composing is being automatically saved to my drafts folder the status message indicating this is clearly being announced, as in "copying message to drafts folder." Should this be happening?

3. When I press ctrl-enter to send a message I sometimes hear the beginning of a status announcement but it gets cut off very quickly and I'm not able to determine what it's trying to tell me. I guess I should load the speech viewer to better capture some of what is being announced but I don't recall hearing any of this information prior to this problem initially being introduced.



Re: What do You prefer to write Docs, Presentations, or Spreadsheets with NVDA

 

To be honest same here.

Now All I need is a modern word document converter.

I have a lot of old word documents in word 95, there is supposed to be a way to make it do and I do have the files from an old xp system and I have installed them the way jart wants me to do but they don't render right.

I know I can manually do it all but is there a way to say submit something to somewhre or do it in batch or something.

My only stipulation is it needs to be free or low cost because I'd not be doing it more than once otherwise I will haveto process things one at a time.



On 20/05/2020 4:29 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Jarte for docs, and emails. I don't do the rest.

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Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 19 May 2020, at 6:00, Tyaseta Rabita Nugraeni Sardjono wrote:

microsoft office and open office....google service is for gmail,
googling, google from

On 5/19/20, Marco Oros marco.oros93@... wrote:

Hello.

I have a question.

What do You prefer to write Docs, Slides and Spreadsheets with NVDA?

Google services, Microsoft office, or Apache Open office?

Thank You.

Marco

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