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Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

George McCoy
 

What happens if you use Narrator?


On 12/8/2020 1:46 PM, Ame wrote:

Hi Guy!  Yeah, I make sure the window’s maximized and I use Chrome.  The puzzling thing is, until Thursday afternoon, I had access to all the content I pay for.  All of a sudden, all I see is the global navigation stuff you find on all the pages.  Under that, I see an unlabeled button that you click on to either expand or collapse the little area where you can switch profiles, turn night mode on or off, get into your account, etc.  Under that little button, I see the global navigation stuff you find at the bottom.  About, jobs, about ads, help, all that stuff.  I chatted with a Hulu agent who made some suggestion.  I’m thinking about uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA.  If that doesn’t work, I think I’ll call the Microsoft Disability Answer desk and have them see if my Chrome is updated.  I just think this whole thing is very strange.  The change was very sudden and I never did a thing to create the problem.  Lol  I’m gonna do my best to see that this thing doesn’t outdo me.


Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Guy Schlosser
 

Yes it was. I would love to hear more about the resolution. You are welcome to email me off list, so we are not clogging the list up with this discussion.

On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Ame <abk043@...> wrote:



I had Jaws at one time but I had to drop it because it got way too expensive.  I’m gonna contact the accessibility people via the email the agent gave me because whatever change they made in their site effectively stops NVDA from letting me access the content I pay for.  I tried Firefox and it did the same thing.  Even the Microsoft disability answer desk agent saw it.  As long as my screen reader was enabled, he couldn’t type anything and it didn’t show content.  So, it’s obviously something they did.   I don’t think they realize it and it may be something as simple as a cosmetic change.  They just wanted to update their look.  I can use narrator but it’s clumsy.  Surely they’ll do something about this.  Thanks so much for all your help.  I’ll mention what you told me about having to alter the way you use Jaws.  Was yoursa sudden thing too?


Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Ame
 

I had Jaws at one time but I had to drop it because it got way too expensive.  I’m gonna contact the accessibility people via the email the agent gave me because whatever change they made in their site effectively stops NVDA from letting me access the content I pay for.  I tried Firefox and it did the same thing.  Even the Microsoft disability answer desk agent saw it.  As long as my screen reader was enabled, he couldn’t type anything and it didn’t show content.  So, it’s obviously something they did.   I don’t think they realize it and it may be something as simple as a cosmetic change.  They just wanted to update their look.  I can use narrator but it’s clumsy.  Surely they’ll do something about this.  Thanks so much for all your help.  I’ll mention what you told me about having to alter the way you use Jaws.  Was yoursa sudden thing too?


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Day:  I apologize for seeing your message a little late.  I have been using Thunderbird for sometime with a desktop and a laptop.  I haven't had any problem with these links.

Dave

On 12/2/2020 3:56 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary






Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Guy Schlosser
 

Ame, I have some insight to the Hulu access. I use jaws, but with the virtual cursor on, I can confirm that what you’re seeing here is the same thing I am. However, if I turn the virtual cursor off, I am able to press enter on things like my stuff, TV shows, etc., and explore things within those menus.  The reason I thought to turn the virtual PC cursor off, is that Jaws is announcing these items as menus.  I hope this helps, and if there’s a way to do something similar in NVDA, you’ll get this.

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:02 PM, Ame <abk043@...> wrote:



I do have sighted help but not because I live with someone.  I rely pretty heavily on the Microsoft disability answer desk when I face issues like this.  Ironically, they didn’t see those things on my screen on the site but the Hulu agent tried to see if it did it on his end and it didn’t.  He was able to see all available content.  I just don’t get it.  I think the first course of action will most likely be reaching out to the disability answer desk to see if my Chrome’s up to date or not and then I’ll go from there.  It’ll be a real blessing if that’s what caused it.

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Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Guy Schlosser
 

It won’t out-do you. You’ve got this.

On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Ame <abk043@...> wrote:



Hi Guy!  Yeah, I make sure the window’s maximized and I use Chrome.  The puzzling thing is, until Thursday afternoon, I had access to all the content I pay for.  All of a sudden, all I see is the global navigation stuff you find on all the pages.  Under that, I see an unlabeled button that you click on to either expand or collapse the little area where you can switch profiles, turn night mode on or off, get into your account, etc.  Under that little button, I see the global navigation stuff you find at the bottom.  About, jobs, about ads, help, all that stuff.  I chatted with a Hulu agent who made some suggestion.  I’m thinking about uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA.  If that doesn’t work, I think I’ll call the Microsoft Disability Answer desk and have them see if my Chrome is updated.  I just think this whole thing is very strange.  The change was very sudden and I never did a thing to create the problem.  Lol  I’m gonna do my best to see that this thing doesn’t outdo me.


Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Gaylen Kapperman
 

Yeah….I understand your feelings about this…when you like a site and the entertainment and everything works just fine and then suddenly, it stops working, it really is disappointing. Good luck in getting this fixed.

Gaylen

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ame via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 1:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] sudden changes to Hulu's website

 

I sure do hope that happens for me Gaylen because this is driving me bonkers.  Incidentally, I’m in the US also.  Thanks for the heads up.  I guess I’ll try some of the stuff the hulu agent suggested in last night’s chat session and if that doesn’t work I’ll just try to hang tough and see what Hulu does.  It’s just messed up that this happened so suddenly.  Weird! Lol


Re: windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 03:05 PM, tim wrote:
The more you know your screen reader the better your accessibility will be.
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No one could reasonably argue that.  And practice, practice, practice does make as close to perfect (which sometimes isn't all  that close) as you're going to get.

I do see that you state you're using the installed version, and the main reason for my message you quoted was to get the word out that, even if you know your screen reader well, accessibility is generally considered to be better in the installed version than the universal app.
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Re: windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

tim
 

Not having any problems with the installed version or with meet.
The more you know your screen reader the better your accessibility will be.

On 12/8/2020 12:39 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The issue here is that the Skype Desktop App (formerly known as the installed version) and the Store Skype App or "shipped with Windows 10" equivalent are not equally accessible.  It's long been recommended that screen reader users use the Skype Desktop App.
Download Skype for Desktop | Available for Windows, Mac ...
<https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/download-skype-for-desktop/>
Current version of desktop app:  Skype 8.67.0.87
I will ask that if folks want to do a deep dive into how to use
Skype, regardless of whether the Desktop App or Store App, that this
conversation take place on the Chat Subgroup.
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Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Ame
 

I do have sighted help but not because I live with someone.  I rely pretty heavily on the Microsoft disability answer desk when I face issues like this.  Ironically, they didn’t see those things on my screen on the site but the Hulu agent tried to see if it did it on his end and it didn’t.  He was able to see all available content.  I just don’t get it.  I think the first course of action will most likely be reaching out to the disability answer desk to see if my Chrome’s up to date or not and then I’ll go from there.  It’ll be a real blessing if that’s what caused it.


Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Ame
 

I sure do hope that happens for me Gaylen because this is driving me bonkers.  Incidentally, I’m in the US also.  Thanks for the heads up.  I guess I’ll try some of the stuff the hulu agent suggested in last night’s chat session and if that doesn’t work I’ll just try to hang tough and see what Hulu does.  It’s just messed up that this happened so suddenly.  Weird! Lol


Re: sudden changes to Hulu's website

Ame
 

Hi Guy!  Yeah, I make sure the window’s maximized and I use Chrome.  The puzzling thing is, until Thursday afternoon, I had access to all the content I pay for.  All of a sudden, all I see is the global navigation stuff you find on all the pages.  Under that, I see an unlabeled button that you click on to either expand or collapse the little area where you can switch profiles, turn night mode on or off, get into your account, etc.  Under that little button, I see the global navigation stuff you find at the bottom.  About, jobs, about ads, help, all that stuff.  I chatted with a Hulu agent who made some suggestion.  I’m thinking about uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA.  If that doesn’t work, I think I’ll call the Microsoft Disability Answer desk and have them see if my Chrome is updated.  I just think this whole thing is very strange.  The change was very sudden and I never did a thing to create the problem.  Lol  I’m gonna do my best to see that this thing doesn’t outdo me.


Re: windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

 

The issue here is that the Skype Desktop App (formerly known as the installed version) and the Store Skype App or "shipped with Windows 10" equivalent are not equally accessible.  It's long been recommended that screen reader users use the Skype Desktop App.

Download Skype for Desktop | Available for Windows, Mac ...

Current version of desktop app:  Skype 8.67.0.87

I will ask that if folks want to do a deep dive into how to use Skype, regardless of whether the Desktop App or Store App, that this conversation take place on the Chat Subgroup.
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To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  chat+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  chat+special@nvda.groups.io

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Re: windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

When I open Skype, I always press F11 for full screen mode, then I can move around it OK.  I checked the Help, About menu item and it displayed the following:

 

Skype version 8.66.0.77

Application version 15.66.77.0

© 2020 Skype & Microsoft

You're on the latest version of Skype.

 

I am using Windows 10 20H2 with latest NVDA and use Skype on a regular basis without too much difficulty.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: valiant8086
Sent: 08 December 2020 13:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; win10; Austin Pinto
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

 

You might be able to fix it by pressing alt Twice.

On November 20, 2020 9:52:37 AM "Austin Pinto" <austinpinto.xaviers@...> wrote:

hi all.
i am trying to signin to skype on windows 10.
this is the new version of skype which we can get from windows store.
i can signin but when it asks select a profile picture or test audio and video.
nvda gets stuck on a text called skype cant be used for emergency.
i have the latest windows 10, latest nvda and latest addons.
what to do?

 

 


Re: windows 10 skype 7 is inaccessible with nvda.

valiant8086
 

You might be able to fix it by pressing alt Twice.

On November 20, 2020 9:52:37 AM "Austin Pinto" <austinpinto.xaviers@...> wrote:

hi all.
i am trying to signin to skype on windows 10.
this is the new version of skype which we can get from windows store.
i can signin but when it asks select a profile picture or test audio and video.
nvda gets stuck on a text called skype cant be used for emergency.
i have the latest windows 10, latest nvda and latest addons.
what to do?



Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Stefan Banita
 

To copy the table, you need to use a browser plug-in.
There was something like Table2Clipboard for Firefox
And for Chrome, for example, Copytables plugin
Of course, it will be difficult for us to select selected items, but from the context menu or the edit menu after installing these plugins, you can copy the entire table.
Must try.
Stefan Banita

W dniu 2020-12-08 o 14:00, Supanut Leepaisomboon pisze:

Hmmm, sounds interesting, I didn't know that it is possible to copy a whole table from a webpage using NVDA, though I tried the f8 key as suggested but nothing happens.


Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

 

Hmmm, sounds interesting, I didn't know that it is possible to copy a whole table from a webpage using NVDA, though I tried the f8 key as suggested but nothing happens.


How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

F8 to select tables is a jaws command. It doesn’t work in nvda unfortunatelly!

I would vote for this issue if it exists...

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Ann Byrne
Enviado:segunda-feira, 7 de dezembro de 2020 10:48
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

 

With the cursor on the line that says something like "five columns

and three rows", press f8.  That will select the whole table with

formatting.  Copy and paste it into the Word document.

At 01:40 AM 12/7/2020, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>I need to copy some tables from a web page into a word document while

>preserving their formatting. How do I do this?

>See the page at the following link.

>https://gcn.com/Articles/2009/12/15/ICS2-secure-software-life-cycle.aspx?Pag

>e=2

>Pranav

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Browsing eclipse documentation with NVDA

Mohammed Alderweesh <alderweesh.m@...>
 

This is the link.

I am trying to get to the main article of each help section.

Thank you.
Mohammed


On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:22 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Please provide the web address(es), and some examples of what it is that you can't get to.

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locked NVDA Con Apology to the Community from your List Owner #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello NVDA Community:

I am forwarding this message that I sent to the NVDA Con email list to the community at large. As a result of what has transpired, if the community wishes me to step down from continuing to administrate this group, I will happily do so. Please send your comments and thoughts to me individually, or the owner address. I will lock this thread from discussion, and wish anyone wishing to comment to do so privately or to the owner email address.

Hello Robert and NVDA Con team:

First, thank you for all your efforts in putting together NVDA Con. NVDA Con went about as well as it could have. I am thankful to all of your efforts.

For my part in the chaos of the opening forum, I would like to apologize.
• I attempted to come on opening forum, and explain why I believed that Teamtalk is not an ideal platform. Moderation is not as powerful as it is on other platforms, users find TeamTalk fiddly with audio particularly when or if they unplug and plug in devices, etc, TeamTalk doesn't really have echo cancellation, NVDA Con is an international conference and should not be pleased with 60 participants, particularly when more than half were organizers, moderators, and NVAccess staff, and so on. I feel very strongly that TeamTalk is a very poor choice of platform for an international conference, and I have brought this up repeatedly over the years.
• Instead of being given the opportunity to speak, I was interrupted, and organizers defended TeamTalk as being a great platform.
• I was unprofessional in my attempts to illustrate, during a small part of the opening forum, why it is a bad idea to use TeamTalk as a platform at this point. I used various nicknames, and adjusted my gain level pretty high, and caused echo while others were attempting to speak, particularly for those individuals who were attempting to interrupt me from speaking. This is not good for an international forum, and I apologize for this. I did not repeat this for the remainder of the conference, and will not do so again.

Even in this thread exchange, I am seeing organizers still say that TeamTalk is a good choice for hosting a conference. Even with all that happened during opening forum, even with the keynote running into the issues that it ran into, we still see people defending TeamTalk as a platform. I was unable to enjoy the keynote live as I kept being kicked out and needed to rejoin a number of times. Each time, because of the number of users, there was a noticeable lag, and at one point, NVDA crashed. This is on a quite powerful modern machin with 16 GB of ram and a gigabit Internet connection.

If the cost of running a Zoom room for the conference is as stated in this thread, for ten moderators, and if it then allows for streaming things like the keynote to Youtube, and if it allows greater flexibility and ability of users, developers, and interested parties all around the world to join, and if it can better enable NVDA con to reach many more users, thus being more representative of the NVDA community, then that cost is a small one to pay. If NVAccess cannot get a lower rate by working with Zoom, I am happy to donate the cost for this for next year's con. Recording would be simpler, many of the audio issues would be sorted, moderators have substantially more control, and audio quality for certain events can be enhanced with minimal jitter issues, disconnects, drop-outs, and issues with the time it takes to reconnect. Presenters and participants can easily connect by phone call, mobile app, on the web, using desktop apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux, and so on. I don't really frankly understand why there is still a question of whether this is or is not a good idea.

Again, I hope the organizers will accept my apologies for contributing to the issues with the opening forum. Thank you all for your hard work into this year's con.

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