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Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

 

Great! Can you send me the links?


On 12/22/2016 6:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Since, for valid reasons, the same questions come up repeatedly I have taken over time to creating sets of step-by-step instructions in MS-Word (2007 and later, they're .docx files) format.  I am also repeatedly doing copy and paste on the content of these instructions, which I'll admit is getting old, because most groups do not allow attachments.  Since I've got the material already typed, and Google Drive, and the ability to create links to each file that will directly download them for whoever wants to use or share any one or more of them, that's what I'm doing here.  I'll add on to this topic over time, probably repeating the previous "Greatest Hits" list with new material integrated into it.  So, in no particular order, here goes:

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    




Re: spotify with NVDA?

kelby carlson
 

I find the desktop app significantly easier and less likely to glitch
than the web interface.

On 12/23/16, majno <alfred.hl@gmail.com> wrote:
I use always the app. is very accessible, no add-on is need.


El 23-Dec-16 a las 10:38 AM, Matt Turner escribió:

Hi, I'm playing with the app, for desktop, but i will try it out in
firefox.


On 12/23/2016 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Have you used Spotify in your browser? You can play items in your
browser. I don't think you will have this problem, but if the audio
breaks up at all, try leaving the program window after you issue the
play command. On a very slow old computer I have, I can eliminate
audio interruptions by do ing so. I just go to the desktop and listen.
As for the actual application, I haven't tried it for so long that I
don't know what is accessible in it and what isn't. Until you find
out more about the application or until you experiment enough to get
a sense of the application, you can do your actual listening in your
browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Matt Turner <mailto:meturner2214@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 23, 2016 8:28 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] spotify with NVDA?

Hi, I'm trying out spotify.

I'm not sure how to use it yet.

Are there any audio tutorials on using it?

If not, when i feel I've got the hang of it, I'll creat one.

Did someone say there was and add on with NVDA for it?



Re: Spotify Shortcuts

kelby carlson
 

I find the newest version almost completely accessible.

On 12/23/16, kavein thran <kaveinthran@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for the link, btw how accessible is the new version, as far as
I know I can't even pause a song, and the settings dialog are
cumbersome

On 12/23/16, majno <alfred.hl@gmail.com> wrote:
spotify is very accessible, with jaws or NVDA. don't need any add-on or
script.


El 23-Dec-16 a las 1:52 AM, Gene escribió:
The link is
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25812011/SpotifyFullSetup.exe?dl=1
Gene
----- Origianal Message -----
*From:* kavein thran <mailto:kaveinthran@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:41 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts

sure, I will try to compare the new and old one and will pick which
one is best for me, perhaps we can ttalk to the expert for the spotify
addon, or jawsscript!ttried the spotify jaws

On 12/23/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
What I should have said is if you don't have scripts disabled and
are signed
into your account with your browser, the item will start to play in
your
browser.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


I can send you a link to download the installation file but I don't
know how
useful you'll find it. The interface is inaccessible and it
requires object
navigation to use it. Trying to search using the application is so
cumbersome it isn't worth doing. You can search using Google, or
whatever
search engine you want, then follow a link. YIf you don't have
scripts
disabled, the web player will start to play the file. You can get the
address from the browser's address bar and paste it into the old
desktop
application. Do you want to do all this? You will get better sound
from
the old app but you may not want it after what I've said. There is
more to
explain if you want to use it.

If you want to learn more, save this message and add the rest of the
instructions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kavein thran
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


hi,
can you share the mentioned old version of spotify?

thanks

On 12/23/16, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com
<mailto:kelbycarlson@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ah yes, turning off browse mode did it. Thanks.

On 12/22/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
wrote:
I don't like the newer versions of the desktop program so I've used
an
old
version with a much different interface. But the following
shortcuts
should
still work in the new interface. They did awhile ago when I was
trying
the
newer interface.

Raise volume, control up arrow.
Lower volume, control down arrow. Don't use these short cuts when
using
the
Web Player. they caused a lot of problems when I tried using the
volume
settings quite some time ago and I wouldn't take a chance on
them. They
should work properly in the installed program.
Toggle between play and pause using the space bar.
There are settings to move to the next and previous track. There
are
also
settings to jump ahead or back by a certain number of seconds.
I'd have
to
play something on Spotify and try what I think are the settings to
definitely tell you the correct ones. Try control left and right
arrow
and
shift left and right arrow. If they don't work, try combinations
like
control shift left and right arrow.

also, you may need to be in forms mode to use the commands I've been
describing. You may be in browse mode in the newer Spotify
interface.
The
desktop application uses a web like interface.

Also, you may have to be somewhere other than at the top of the
screen.
You
may need to move down the screen, then turn off browse mode, then
try
the
commands.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


Anyone know if you can use any shortcuts in Spotify to do things
like
pause music and control the volume? Right now I have to go into the
menus to do all of that, but otherwise the program is accessible.










Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Brian Gaff wrote, with regard to Aero Glass, and the reason for it's disappearance:
Because it was awful!

 Er, no.  It was by far and away Microsoft's most popular and long-lived GUI style.  All one needs to do is read the comments on Microsoft's Windows 10 feedback app as well as the technical press around the time of the introductions of both Windows 8 and Windows 10 to see how strongly users lamented the passing of Aero Glass.  There are aspects of it, but not the ones that I liked most, that were even reintroduced into the versions of Windows 10 subsequent to the first one because people demanded them back.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Spotify Shortcuts

kavein thran
 

thanks for the link, btw how accessible is the new version, as far as
I know I can't even pause a song, and the settings dialog are
cumbersome

On 12/23/16, majno <alfred.hl@gmail.com> wrote:
spotify is very accessible, with jaws or NVDA. don't need any add-on or
script.


El 23-Dec-16 a las 1:52 AM, Gene escribió:
The link is
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25812011/SpotifyFullSetup.exe?dl=1
Gene
----- Origianal Message -----
*From:* kavein thran <mailto:kaveinthran@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:41 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts

sure, I will try to compare the new and old one and will pick which
one is best for me, perhaps we can ttalk to the expert for the spotify
addon, or jawsscript!ttried the spotify jaws

On 12/23/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:
What I should have said is if you don't have scripts disabled and
are signed
into your account with your browser, the item will start to play in
your
browser.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


I can send you a link to download the installation file but I don't
know how
useful you'll find it. The interface is inaccessible and it
requires object
navigation to use it. Trying to search using the application is so
cumbersome it isn't worth doing. You can search using Google, or
whatever
search engine you want, then follow a link. YIf you don't have scripts
disabled, the web player will start to play the file. You can get the
address from the browser's address bar and paste it into the old
desktop
application. Do you want to do all this? You will get better sound
from
the old app but you may not want it after what I've said. There is
more to
explain if you want to use it.

If you want to learn more, save this message and add the rest of the
instructions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kavein thran
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


hi,
can you share the mentioned old version of spotify?

thanks

On 12/23/16, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@gmail.com
<mailto:kelbycarlson@gmail.com>> wrote:
Ah yes, turning off browse mode did it. Thanks.

On 12/22/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
wrote:
I don't like the newer versions of the desktop program so I've used
an
old
version with a much different interface. But the following shortcuts
should
still work in the new interface. They did awhile ago when I was
trying
the
newer interface.

Raise volume, control up arrow.
Lower volume, control down arrow. Don't use these short cuts when
using
the
Web Player. they caused a lot of problems when I tried using the
volume
settings quite some time ago and I wouldn't take a chance on
them. They
should work properly in the installed program.
Toggle between play and pause using the space bar.
There are settings to move to the next and previous track. There are
also
settings to jump ahead or back by a certain number of seconds.
I'd have
to
play something on Spotify and try what I think are the settings to
definitely tell you the correct ones. Try control left and right
arrow
and
shift left and right arrow. If they don't work, try combinations
like
control shift left and right arrow.

also, you may need to be in forms mode to use the commands I've been
describing. You may be in browse mode in the newer Spotify
interface.
The
desktop application uses a web like interface.

Also, you may have to be somewhere other than at the top of the
screen.
You
may need to move down the screen, then turn off browse mode, then try
the
commands.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Spotify Shortcuts


Anyone know if you can use any shortcuts in Spotify to do things like
pause music and control the volume? Right now I have to go into the
menus to do all of that, but otherwise the program is accessible.








Re: spotify with NVDA?

majno
 

I use always the app. is very accessible, no add-on is need.


El 23-Dec-16 a las 10:38 AM, Matt Turner escribió:

Hi, I'm playing with the app, for desktop, but i will try it out in firefox.


On 12/23/2016 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Have you used Spotify in your browser?  You can play items in your browser.  I don't think you will have this problem, but if the audio breaks up at all, try leaving the program window after you issue the play command.  On a very slow old computer I have, I can eliminate audio interruptions by do ing so.  I just go to the desktop and listen. 
 
As for the actual application, I haven't tried it for so long that I don't know what is accessible in it and what isn't.  Until you find out more about the application or until you experiment enough to get a sense of the application, you can do your actual listening in your browser.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] spotify with NVDA?

Hi, I'm trying out spotify.

I'm not sure how to use it yet.

Are there any audio tutorials on using it?

If not, when i feel I've got the hang of it, I'll creat one.

Did someone say there was and add on with NVDA for it?






Re: spotify with NVDA?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, I'm playing with the app, for desktop, but i will try it out in firefox.


On 12/23/2016 9:49 AM, Gene wrote:
Have you used Spotify in your browser?  You can play items in your browser.  I don't think you will have this problem, but if the audio breaks up at all, try leaving the program window after you issue the play command.  On a very slow old computer I have, I can eliminate audio interruptions by do ing so.  I just go to the desktop and listen. 
 
As for the actual application, I haven't tried it for so long that I don't know what is accessible in it and what isn't.  Until you find out more about the application or until you experiment enough to get a sense of the application, you can do your actual listening in your browser.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] spotify with NVDA?

Hi, I'm trying out spotify.

I'm not sure how to use it yet.

Are there any audio tutorials on using it?

If not, when i feel I've got the hang of it, I'll creat one.

Did someone say there was and add on with NVDA for it?





Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

 

Georgi,

          Even if I wished I could, I can't because I haven't had access to a machine with Office 2007 on it for years.  But Office 2007 was when the introduction of the Ribbon system occurred and a great deal of what started then has been carried forward into later versions of Office, some of it all the way through to the current one.

          Don't write off reference material for later versions of Office if you can't find what you want for Office 2007 itself.  There is still a lot of support information available for Office 2007 on support.office.com.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: spotify with NVDA?

Gene
 

Have you used Spotify in your browser?  You can play items in your browser.  I don't think you will have this problem, but if the audio breaks up at all, try leaving the program window after you issue the play command.  On a very slow old computer I have, I can eliminate audio interruptions by do ing so.  I just go to the desktop and listen. 
 
As for the actual application, I haven't tried it for so long that I don't know what is accessible in it and what isn't.  Until you find out more about the application or until you experiment enough to get a sense of the application, you can do your actual listening in your browser.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 8:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] spotify with NVDA?

Hi, I'm trying out spotify.

I'm not sure how to use it yet.

Are there any audio tutorials on using it?

If not, when i feel I've got the hang of it, I'll creat one.

Did someone say there was and add on with NVDA for it?




spotify with NVDA?

Matt Turner
 

Hi, I'm trying out spotify.

I'm not sure how to use it yet.

Are there any audio tutorials on using it?

If not, when i feel I've got the hang of it, I'll creat one.

Did someone say there was and add on with NVDA for it?


Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
 

Hi Brian!

Couldn't you explain: also step by step how to work with outlook2007? It will be grateful!

Georgi


На 23.12.2016 г. в 10:37 ч., Christo de Klerk написа:

Brian

Many thanks for these files. What a valuable resource they are! I really appreciate them.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/12/23 7:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Also, since this is still fresh, I located six more bits that need to be added to the hits list:

* Using Siri as a Spelling Assistant with Voice Over ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOclM2enhXSnI3elU )
* Adding an Account to WLM 2012 via the Keyboard ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSERhd3JGVFZOdEk )
* Configuring Firefox for Custom Actions for Specific File Types within the Browser Itself ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnObzlwUWkzdFktdjg )
* Webvisum – New Digitally Signed Version for Firefox ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnONFJVcnNmeG5SMW8 )
* Adjusting Protected View Settings in MS-Office Programs ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSHIyWXUzRnFkdmc )
* Setting Up Conversation View in Outlook 2010 Using JAWS ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSzFMMVZuYlVRT00 )

--
*Brian*

* Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from * *insufficient premises.*

* ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902*


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Because it was awful!
Somebody I knew said it looked like his computer was in his aquarium but without the interesting fish!
Not being able to see, I obviously missed out here....
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge


Hi Brian,
That was so interesting, that I will save that. Could you please explain what the Aero era is? Why the boring flat look now? Why did the Aero era go away?
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

Chris,
Edge's visuals are very, very different from those of Internet Explorer. IE remains very "old windows" in look and feel because it comes from all the earlier versions of windows and evolved within those ecosystems over the years, stopping at Windows 7 (even though it carried over into Windows 8).
By contrast, Edge was created as a creature of the Universal Apps era and interface design, and everything about its actual screen appearance screams that fact.
Visually speaking, and it's actually one of the things I hate both aesthetically and when it comes to working with visually-impaired individuals who have enough residual vision to use it to target things presented on a screen, even though they can't seen them clearly, is the "flat look" that is all the rage these days, and not just with Microsoft. The old Aero era style of trying to make buttons have a somewhat 3-dimensional appearance, and a great deal of visual distinctiveness from the window frame or toolbar on which it is placed, is now gone and everything pretty much looks like a figure printed on a piece of paper. For those familiar with it, even the long known "red X" that gets used to close a program and its window entirely for those who point and click is no longer red unless one is hovering over it. Many other buttons change from a lighter tone to a darker tone of the same basic color, or vice versa, to indicate you're hovering over them. This is hellishly difficult for anyone without genuinely good vision to differentiate. Mind you, all of the preceding is presuming that you're using a typical Windows theme, not a high contrast theme, but typical themes used to have more visual relief between buttons and other controls and high-contrast themes introduce issues of their own, though they have their place. The new "flat look" makes a lot of things a lot harder to deal with visually because the new style is a vast expanse of background color with black icons laying flatly on it. Nothing draws the eye in the way things did during the Aero design era.
--
Brian
Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902


Re: starting NVDA

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Yes the clue is the letter K.. Ahem.

Sometimes you can set up inappropriate keys though but its less likely in10.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


The alt k spoken after the shortcut key control+alt+n is not part of the shortcut itself, it's the quick access key you can use to jump directly to the Shortcut Key field within the Shortcut dialog box.
Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brice Mijares
Sent: 22 December 2016 18:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

I went to properties and the edit field said control alt N plus alt K. I was unable to remove the alt K. So I tried hitting control alt N hoping it would insert
the correct hot keys but no dice. So I want to delete the desktop short cut, but wasn't able to figure out how to generate another desktop short cut before hand. All I could find was pin to task bar or was it start menu.
On 12/22/2016 9:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that
icon, and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is
where you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net
<mailto:bricemijares@att.net>> wrote:

My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
again? Thanks.




Re: Push to talk, was Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

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Sorry I don't understand. its called subject drift, it happens and then the thread gets renamed.


Brian

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From: "Chris" <chrismedley@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Push to talk, was Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Talk about a complete 180
I despair I really do


Re: starting NVDA

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Not that different, just more foolproof, ie it will prevent you creating or trying to create a shortcut where one cannot be made due to insufficient privs or other constraints I think.
I always recall when using xp seearch you cold try to create a shortcut in the list and as with 10 now it offered to put it on the desktop which saved a heck of a lot of messing about with folder opeining etc to find the file and then copying of the shortcut back to the desktop.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Hi, Brian,



Thanks very much for these steps. Yes, they're quite different from earlier versions of windows but they're not hard to learn.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA



Brice,

I can't recall for certain whether you're running Windows 10 or not. If you are not, please just ignore what follows. For anyone wanting to create a desktop shortcut for any installed desktop app or store app, or for a file or folder, please read the following step-by-step directions:

Adding a Desktop Shortcut Under Windows 10

This is done differently from prior versions of Windows and the technique varies depending on whether the thing you want to create the shortcut for is for file or folder versus a Windows built-in app (e.g. Mail, People) , Store App or Installed Desktop App (e.g. MS Word, Adobe Reader, etc.).

For Installed Desktop Apps (formerly known as programs you’ve installed) or Windows Built-In Apps or Store Apps you’ve installed:

1. This involves using a very seldom used view for applications that is most easily invoked using the Run command. Hit Windows Key+R then enter the following, without the quotes, “shell:AppsFolder”, then hit enter.

2. You will now get a File Explorer window that shows you nothing but all the applications that are installed on your computer whether these are Windows Built-In Apps, Store Apps you later installed, or Installed Desktop Apps.

3. Navigate to the App for which you want the desktop shortcut and select it. Under Windows 10 alone I am able to use the first letter of the app in question to get to its general area then keep hitting that letter and it advances to the next app starting with that same letter. You can jump directly to the first app that starts with any letter. If you’re a really fast typist you can start typing the name of the app itself rapidly and you should land on it, or something very near to it. This is working for me even when the screen reader is running because it’s a Windows feature.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10 if your machine doesn’t have it. This will invoke a context menu for the selected App.

5. Either hit the letter ‘S’, which will directly invoke the “Create Shortcut” option, or arrow down until you hear “Create Shortcut” announced then hit enter.

6. You will immediately get a dialog that tells you that, “Windows can’t create a shortcut here. Do you want the shortcut to be placed on the desktop instead?,” to which you will, of course, answer “Yes.”

7. You now have a shortcut on the desktop. This shortcut will have the name of the app in question followed by a hyphen and the word shortcut. If you’re like me you’ll want to rename that shortcut to get rid of that hyphen and the word shortcut, but this is entirely optional.

For quick access to specific files or folders you’d like on the desktop:

1. If you happen to know where the object you want the desktop shortcut for is located, navigate to the folder that contains it, then select it. Proceed directly to step number 4.

2. If you don’t know the location your best bet is to use Windows Search and enter search criteria that are enough to get you a short list of possible results. Very often what you’re looking for will be the first thing returned if you choose decent search terms. Once you’ve found the object you wish to make the shortcut for when reviewing the results make sure you have focus on it then proceed to step 3.

3. Hit the Applications/Menu Key if your computer has it, or Shift+F10 if it does not, and a context menu should come up. Choose “Open file location” from this context menu. This will open the folder that contains the program, file, or subfolder you had focus on and it will already be selected.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10, then do one of the following:

a. Hit N (which invokes the Send To) option, followed immediately by D (which invokes the Desktop create shortcut option). You’re finished.

b. Arrow down until you hear that you have focus on the Send To option, hit enter, then in the submenu for send to arrow down until you hear “Desktop (create shortcut)” and hit enter. You’re finished.



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Re: Push to talk, was Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

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From memory its a bit of team talk that allows you only to be heard on the conference call when you press it to talk.
Erm, not used it very much but ef everyone had their mics open all the time it might start to sound a bit like a cattle market or feed back.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:38 PM
Subject: Push to talk, was Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Hi,

Might you tell me what "push to talk" is and how it is used?

Thanks, sorry for the inrreuption.

John S



On 12/22/16 16:36, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

TeamTalk is one that does distinguish between them, I believe that
TeamSpeak does as well when mapping out keys for push to talk.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:56 PM Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

__
I expect there are some cases, I don't know where, where a left or
right modifier is required. If you turn on input help in NVDA and
press modifiers, you will hear them distinguished such as right
shift and left shift. If NVDA is aware of which modifier is being
used, then presumably, programmers can designate that a specific
modifier be used. But I can't recall ever seeing this done in any
program.

Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

Gene wrote, with regard to the ALT key:

Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in
creating a shortcut command.

I have never, ever seen one that does, either. On a recent thread
on one of the blind-related technology lists someone made the
assertion that there was a program that cared about whether, I
believe, a left shift versus right shift button was pressed as part
of a keyboard shortcut. Given what I know about keyboards and
standard drivers for same, I have never, ever known of any
duplicated key, e.g., ALT, CTRL, or SHIFT, to be distinguishable by
the operating system based on which one is actually pressed. Their
whole purpose for being duplicated is to allow modifications to be
made conveniently (or relatively so) using whatever hand makes sense
for each of the keys so that all keys of a multi-key shortcut can be
depressed at once.

By the way, and apropos of nothing, really, has anyone ever
encountered anything longer than a 4-key-at-a-time-press keyboard
shortcut? I believe I've encountered one or two of those and I'm
not certain of that, but even three-key-at-a-time-press shortcuts
are relatively rare when compared against two-key-press ones.
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Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

I've never seen or heard of such behavior and it would be irrational to set things up in that way. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

I think you are wrong as my machines always generate control/alt on the
iight alt key but alt alone on the left one.
The only difference I was noting was that on XP it seems to be possible to
create two shortcuts with the same operating keys, whereas later on I think
its not. Could of course be the result of a setting that causes this, but
its going to be a windows setting not an nvda one.

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a
shortcut command.  Control alt and letter or number will work with either
control alt combination no matter how you create the command.  That's true
of XP as well.  There are times when something distinguishes between right
and left alt.  Such cases must be rare since I've never come a cross a
command that does.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


I think it does this on 7 as well. It actually makes it easier as the right
hand alt is in fact alt control its very easy to set up shortcuts for all
sorts of things whereas in xp it could get corrupted veryeasily.



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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option
to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions
of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of
properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N
if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut. No matter what character I type
Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot
delete it. If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the
CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

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Well in that case it has to be something different in the setup of nvda or Edge.
I've not used Edge enough to know all of its quirks yet, I just do not feel comfortable with it myself. It feels soggy, slowish and somewhat touchy compared to firefox, but then that is just me. If everyone liked the same things it would be a boring world.

I don't like Chrome either, its kind of awkward at times, but I suppose is a good browser. Maybe I'm not a fan of the way google makes user interfaces.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge


I have win ver 1607 with all updates installed.

On 12/22/2016 2:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Have you got either an older or newer version of 10 than the rest of us
have perhaps?
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge




On 12/22/2016 11:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I can navigate this page fine under Edge in Windows 10. Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 9:23 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]
NVDA and Microsoft edge

I tried Edge on the web site www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can
investigate? Cheers, Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 8:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I
open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web
address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part
of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the
web page with any of the normal keys.










I tried using the standard NVDA nav keys and get nothing. Also when
typing in the edit box NVDA says nothing. If you can write me off list.





Re: starting NVDA

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I think you are wrong as my machines always generate control/alt on the iight alt key but alt alone on the left one.
The only difference I was noting was that on XP it seems to be possible to create two shortcuts with the same operating keys, whereas later on I think its not. Could of course be the result of a setting that causes this, but its going to be a windows setting not an nvda one.

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a shortcut command. Control alt and letter or number will work with either control alt combination no matter how you create the command. That's true of XP as well. There are times when something distinguishes between right and left alt. Such cases must be rare since I've never come a cross a command that does.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


I think it does this on 7 as well. It actually makes it easier as the right
hand alt is in fact alt control its very easy to set up shortcuts for all
sorts of things whereas in xp it could get corrupted veryeasily.



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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option
to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions
of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of
properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N
if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut. No matter what character I type
Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot
delete it. If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the
CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
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Re: Brian Vogel's Step-by-Step Instructions "Greatest Hits"

Christo de Klerk
 

Brian

Many thanks for these files. What a valuable resource they are! I really appreciate them.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2016/12/23 7:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Also, since this is still fresh, I located six more bits that need to be added to the hits list:

* Using Siri as a Spelling Assistant with Voice Over ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOclM2enhXSnI3elU )
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* Setting Up Conversation View in Outlook 2010 Using JAWS ( https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOSzFMMVZuYlVRT00 )

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