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Re: Current status of Tiflotecnia voices?
Rui Fontes
We are taking care of that...
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Regards, Rui Fontes Tiflotecnia, Lda. Às 09:10 de 14/05/2020, cédric Paulet via groups.io escreveu:
Good morning,
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Re: question regard current for ground object.
Hi all, We may need to change the description… The “foreground object”, in this context refers to screen (programming description to follow). That is, when you press NVDA+B, NVDA will read contents of the screen – specifically the apps you are focused on. As Gene and others pointed out, it includes information that are usually not keyboard focusable such as tool bars, menu bar, status bars, among many other things. Technical: for resident programmers, this command will perform a pre-order tree traversal. The root node is the foreground object (specifically, what NVDA thinks is the foreground object, which is ultimately set by accessibility API in use). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 5:17 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] question regard current for ground object.
Hi NVDA+b reads the current foreground object, in other words the object that currently has focus. It is mostly used for things like windows that pop open to give information and just have an OK button. NVDA will usually read out the contents of the Window automatically but if you wanted to listen to the details again, NVDA+b would read it for you.
Cheers Chris
From: Meet modi
hello all, Hope you stay safe. I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b. it says speak current for ground object. whats the mean? i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse. it announce whole screen suppose i open word. so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please
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Re: TripleTalk and 2019.3.1
Jonathan Milam
That’s certainly an option, but since we already have the hardware…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
hi
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Re: TripleTalk and 2019.3.1
Josh Kennedy
hi
Why not buy a USB sound card, and then set NVDA to speak through the sound card so that way the speech will not interfere with whatever you are using the main sound card for?
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Re: question regard current for ground object.
Gene
I should add an important thing. When you are
moving in this way, if you stop somewhere, using control, if you are in object
review, you will be whare you stop. At times, I move to something by
letting the information read and pressing control when I hear something I know
is there from previous use of the command in a certain window. I am then
on the control, such as a button and I activate using commands to activate items
such as controls I am on using the object navigator. I am talking about
cmmands such as NVDA key numpad enter or move the mouse and
activate. I have at times found this very useful, though if I find
something by using NVDA key b. I may move the object navigator to it directly,
depending on which is faster and easier.
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] question regard current for ground
object. This may be longer with more ihformation than you
want but you and others may find this interesting and useful. I almost
never see it discussed and almost never other than in very shoret explanations
which tell nothing of the interesting ways it may be used and what you may
learn.
an object can be many things, and I don't know
technically enough to define it properly.
But in practical terms, if you are in a dialog, the
dialog will usually be spoken. if you are in a document, for example in
Notepad, no part of the document is spoken. Instead, you will hear certain
controls announced. I am not generalizing about word processors or text
editors. I don't know what sort of variations you may find.
Others may discuss what an object is and why
certain things are read. But in practical terms, you may find it
interesting and useful to try the command in different programs. There are
times when you may hear things read you will never hear otherwise, and they may
be useful because you may hear many controls announced you won't find in
ordinary use. You could find them or most of them by looking around the
screen using object review but that is a lot of work and tedious and you may
miss things.
In a lot of programs, you don't need to do this but
as a matter of curiosity and if you want to see if there may be useful things in
a program, you might want to do this.
Sometimes, its just interesting to see how much
information sighted people get that blind people don't. In my e-mail
program, for example, Windows Live Mail, if I'm in the main window, I hear all
sorts of things that tell sighted people how to open or activate all sorts of
features I might not have known about otherwise. As in a radio, for
example, where buttons or knobs might say off/on/volume, tone, etc. so when I
use the command in Windows Live mail, I hear all sorts of commands I do in other
ways, along with things I would never have happened across, such as start the
colorizer. All sorts of things blind people learn shortcuts for, sighted
people can just see as controls in the main Windows, I believe often in toolbars
such as reply to a message. This is one reason why sighted people can use
computers so quickly with little knowledge and little time spent learning.
I would never have really known or understood this, if I hadn't used this
command in some programs. I had thought mostly sighted people clicked menus and
then clicked an item in a menu, for example. From looking at Windows Live
Mail in the main window, I learned that often, it isn't necessary. The
sorts of things I found are the equivalent of keyboard shortcuts but they are
visual. A sighted person may just sees a reply button and click
it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Meet modi
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] question regard current for ground
object. hello all,
Hope you stay safe.
I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b.
it says speak current for ground object.
whats the mean?
i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse.
it announce whole screen suppose i open word.
so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any
can explane proper way please
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Re: question regard current for ground object.
Gene
This may be longer with more ihformation than you
want but you and others may find this interesting and useful. I almost
never see it discussed and almost never other than in very shoret explanations
which tell nothing of the interesting ways it may be used and what you may
learn.
an object can be many things, and I don't know
technically enough to define it properly.
But in practical terms, if you are in a dialog, the
dialog will usually be spoken. if you are in a document, for example in
Notepad, no part of the document is spoken. Instead, you will hear certain
controls announced. I am not generalizing about word processors or text
editors. I don't know what sort of variations you may find.
Others may discuss what an object is and why
certain things are read. But in practical terms, you may find it
interesting and useful to try the command in different programs. There are
times when you may hear things read you will never hear otherwise, and they may
be useful because you may hear many controls announced you won't find in
ordinary use. You could find them or most of them by looking around the
screen using object review but that is a lot of work and tedious and you may
miss things.
In a lot of programs, you don't need to do this but
as a matter of curiosity and if you want to see if there may be useful things in
a program, you might want to do this.
Sometimes, its just interesting to see how much
information sighted people get that blind people don't. In my e-mail
program, for example, Windows Live Mail, if I'm in the main window, I hear all
sorts of things that tell sighted people how to open or activate all sorts of
features I might not have known about otherwise. As in a radio, for
example, where buttons or knobs might say off/on/volume, tone, etc. so when I
use the command in Windows Live mail, I hear all sorts of commands I do in other
ways, along with things I would never have happened across, such as start the
colorizer. All sorts of things blind people learn shortcuts for, sighted
people can just see as controls in the main Windows, I believe often in toolbars
such as reply to a message. This is one reason why sighted people can use
computers so quickly with little knowledge and little time spent learning.
I would never have really known or understood this, if I hadn't used this
command in some programs. I had thought mostly sighted people clicked menus and
then clicked an item in a menu, for example. From looking at Windows Live
Mail in the main window, I learned that often, it isn't necessary. The
sorts of things I found are the equivalent of keyboard shortcuts but they are
visual. A sighted person may just sees a reply button and click
it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Meet modi
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 6:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] question regard current for ground
object. hello all,
Hope you stay safe.
I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b.
it says speak current for ground object.
whats the mean?
i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse.
it announce whole screen suppose i open word.
so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any
can explane proper way please
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Re: question regard current for ground object.
Chris Mullins
Hi NVDA+b reads the current foreground object, in other words the object that currently has focus. It is mostly used for things like windows that pop open to give information and just have an OK button. NVDA will usually read out the contents of the Window automatically but if you wanted to listen to the details again, NVDA+b would read it for you.
Cheers Chris
From: Meet modi
Sent: 15 May 2020 12:44 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] question regard current for ground object.
hello all, Hope you stay safe. I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b. it says speak current for ground object. whats the mean? i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse. it announce whole screen suppose i open word. so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please
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question regard current for ground object.
Meet modi
hello all, Hope you stay safe. I have question regarding shortcut key insert plus b. it says speak current for ground object. whats the mean? i tried to apply but i am little bit confuse. it announce whole screen suppose i open word. so it says document 1 micro soft word, riben tab quick tab ETC so if any can explane proper way please
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Re: Dropbox NVDA question
Charles Adkins
Thanks, that worked. Thank you so much.
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On May 14, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Louis Maher <ljmaher03@outlook.com> wrote:
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Re: Office 365 with NVDA
Further replying to my post, office 365 could be thought more like a mobile phone plan than a storage plan. Storage and office are a part of it but depending on the addition all home additions have 100 minutes of calls a month and professional and business packages have 200 minutes a month. To be honest though if you live in a family or flatting situation I'd buy the family pack and share the cost with your users.
On 15/05/2020 3:24 pm, Gene wrote:
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Re: Office 365 with NVDA
Well it depends what you want. Dropbox has it at 9 bucks a month. Google has it at 10 bucks a month for the entire suite aparently maybe that has changed now as that was a couple years old. You can get 50gb on onedrive for 2 dollars 50. You can get 50gb on mega for free but I have lost my password info. You can get 250gb on keybase but the client is not really that usable as such though it sounds if you want just data with public access similar to an ftp free with private storage to then all you need would be a free wordpress or wordpress site waith say 500mb to 2 gb for plugins or a free one and link directly to keybase itself. Icloud has prices from 2 dollars for 50gb to something like 20 dollars for 1tb. the icloud client for windows aint what you could call a complete accessibility success. It works enough but enough aint really good enough to be honest. Actually the most accessible would be if you either had or brought ftp access on something like public ftp, used something like flashfxp to upload and link directly either with ftp, http or https on your own domain but there are costs associated with a lot of that.
On 15/05/2020 3:24 pm, Gene wrote:
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Re: Are Unikey and Sogou accessible?
Sorry for the mistake.
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Please open NVDA user guide, then read section 12.1.8. Keyboard (NVDA+control+k), you'll understand the handle key more clearer then my explaination Cuong
On 5/15/2020 11:20 AM, Marco Oros wrote:
I don't understand this message.
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Re: Are Unikey and Sogou accessible?
I don't understand this message.
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Re: Canvas with NVDA
There is also the question: Which Edge?
Right now there is a new, stable, Chromium-based Edge browser which will eventually be the only Edge browser - but one has to intentionally download and install it from the Microsoft Edge Page now if you want it. Heaven only knows when the rollout to all users will actually gather speed, as so many things have been slowed or postponed secondary to the Covid-19 pandemic. I suggest people do get and install new Edge, as the original Edge, which is still what most Windows 10 users have, has never been great in a number of ways, and accessibility is one of them. Gene has a very, very good point about not using Internet Explorer unless absolutely necessary. Microsoft has been trying to get people to dump Internet Explorer for several years now, but have kept it around during the transition period to Edge only (as a Microsoft browser product - of course Firefox, Chrome, Brave, Opera, and the list goes on and on exist as third-party web browsers). Original Edge is "dead browser walking" and Internet Explorer has been a zombie for a very long time now. Why You Should Dump Internet Explorer | Daniel Miessler (Dec 2019) The perils of using Internet Explorer as your default browser ... (March 2019 – straight from the proverbial horse’s mouth) Microsoft cybersecurity expert: Please, stop using Internet ... (Feb 2019) Microsoft security chief: IE is not a browser, so stop using ... (Feb 2019) Microsoft wants you to stop using Internet Explorer (Feb 2019) 12 reasons not to use Internet Explorer, ever | Computerworld (June 2011 – Even more valid now) And if you web search on “Why you should not use Internet Explorer” the list of returned results is long, and virtually unanimous in the expert (and non-expert) opinion that you should not. --Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Re: Office 365 with NVDA
Gene
I doubt its worth payind something like 90 or 100
dollars a year for that free space. How much would it cost to get space
that you pay for directly?
Gene
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On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:
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Re: Canvas with NVDA
Gene
What do you mean by with a screen-reader? any
browser that supports browse mode, as NVDA calls it, or the virtual pc cursor,
as JAWS calls it, uses exactly the same commands for moving around pages and
reading them.
Control l is used to move you to the address bar
for typing an address.
Alt b opens the book marks menu.
Control h opens history. Control j opens the downloads dialog where you can see the progress of a
download and do other things regarding downloads.
there is a lot of standardization among popular browsers used by blind
people. Most of these commands such as control j and control h work in
Chrome. The command to open book marks is different. Also the
interface for history and downloads is different. But for much of what
people do, they will find things identical or nearly identical.
That's why its unfortunat that so many people are so unwilling to even try
another browser. Internet Explorer is going to work on increasingly fewer
web pages and this has already started. Isn't it better to try a new
browser before you are under pressure to do so?
Gene
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a list of shortcut keys in there. Nance On 5/14/20, Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@...> wrote: > Thanks Nancy, > I asked you the question about Fire Fox settings because I have not used it > for over six years and do not remember much about its shortcuts. I do not > even know if there is a list for shortcuts of fire fox with a screen > reader. > Hopefully some other people who have used fire fox on a regular bases give > me some tips and hints. > > Regards, > Ibrahim > > -----Original Message----- > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy > Shackelford > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:07 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA > > I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A or > any other screen reader. > > Nance > > -- > Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid-- > > > > > > > > -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Canvas with NVDA
Gene
There may be settings you want to change, such as
related to book marks and other things but there are no settings related to
performance with screen-readers that need to be changed.
Gene
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From: Nancy Shackelford or any other screen reader. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Office 365 with NVDA
Ryan Mann
Another advantage is one terabyte of storage space on OneDrive.
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On May 13, 2020, at 8:35 AM, heaven.lists92@... wrote:
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Re: Canvas with NVDA
Nancy Shackelford
Once you get it installed, check in the Help section; there's probably
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a list of shortcut keys in there. Nance
On 5/14/20, Ibrahim Abedrabbo <abedrabboibrahim@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Nancy, --
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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Re: Canvas with NVDA
Ibrahim Abedrabbo
Thanks Nancy,
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I asked you the question about Fire Fox settings because I have not used it for over six years and do not remember much about its shortcuts. I do not even know if there is a list for shortcuts of fire fox with a screen reader. Hopefully some other people who have used fire fox on a regular bases give me some tips and hints. Regards, Ibrahim
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 9:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Canvas with NVDA I don't think I ever had to change any settings with regard to N V D A or any other screen reader. Nance -- Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--
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