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Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Niemi, Kristina@DSS
 

Hi Ann,

Maybe see if the following setting helps:

  1. NVDA Key/Insert + N (open NVDA settings)
  2. Select 'Preferences';
  3. Select 'Settings';
  4. Select 'Keyboard'; and
  5. check the box for, "Allow skim reading in Say All."
I had a similar problem and this seemed to address it.

I hope this or one of the other suggestions helps!

Kristina


CodeFactory Eloquence

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  I just got myself a new laptop, and when I installed NVDA, I also installed the Codefactory Eloquence and Vocalizer AddOn. however, when I tried to activate the addOn, I got a message in a foreign language, I think it was German, from the activation server, and my addOn was not activated.  I might have forgotten to deactivate my AddOn when I reInstalled my Windows in the past, but why the activation server couldn't report the failure in english, I couldn't understand.  I hope that there are CodeFactory reps on this list who can get in touch privately with me on this issue. Thank you.  Cheers!


Re: two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Gene
 

If I understand what is wanted, when moving to the check box, the person who the message is from is wanted to be read before anything else.  I'm not sure if check box checked or unchecked is wanted to be read or when.  Screen-readers exist in complex environments and there are times when, for whatever reasons, human intervention is needed to get what you want read when you want it read.  Sometimes, this isn't possible and sometimes it is.  In this case, all I have to do in the simple HTML view is to type the letter x to move to a check box, then immediately down arrow.  The sender of the message is read immediately.


Implementing a feature where the first line below a check box is read in general or at least on some web sites may not be a good solution.  It may do what is wanted on this or that site and not on others where it may create unwanted verbosity.


I suppose it might be tailored for a specific site but something like that, I would think, would probably be done by an Add-on, such as a GMail add-on.

But this concept of helping a screen-reader is important and my impression is that a lot of users don't do this.


I'll give two examples:

When I use NVDA's browse mode search, if I don't use read current line, I hear all sorts of unwanted verbosity before what is found is read.  If I issue the search command, then use the read current navigator ;position, numpad 8 in  the desktop layout, what is wanted is read immediately.


I don't recall now if I issue a find command, wait for NVDA to start speaking, then issue the read current line command, or if I issue the find command, then wait a moment and issue the read current line command even before speech has begun.  You can experiment and see if both work.


This greatly improves the efficiency of the Browse Mode find command and it becomes automatic after a little while, which is the reason I don't recall the exact time when I issue the command.


When you repeat a search, numpad insert, f3 on the main keyboard, what is wanted is read without doing anything else.  That is the desktop layout command for repeat search.


Here is the other example:

In Outlook and in Thunderbird, I have seen behavior complained of such as when you open a message, you hear unwanted information read or read and repeated.  The solution is to open the message, then issue the read to end command.  You can experiment.  You may have to wait a moment, just how long you  can determine before the command is able to work, probably depending on when the message finishes loading.  You don't have to wait until speech automatically begins.  Using this command becomes automatic after a little while and greatly increases efficiency and causes you to hear little or no unwanted verbosity.


Gene

On 12/3/2020 12:33 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I'm not sure if I made my point clear enough on this. I am used to the
way System Access reads things, which is that when tabbing through and
landing on the checkboxes, it reads who the message is from right away
without having to use any extra table commands. Is there some way this
can be implemented in NVDA? It seems like there are situations like
this all over the web.

On 12/2/20, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob
I can’t comment on the Outlook issues but regarding the Gmail basic HTML
view, when you are browsing the list of messages, you are in a table, so use
the table reading commands rather than just tabbing. These are
Control+alt+left/right/up/down arrows, so, for example you can move up and
down the subject column to read them. Personally, I hate the gmail
interface and have linked my gmail account to the W10 mail app and find it
much easier to manage.

Cheers
Chris

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: 02 December 2020 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two different problems with NVDA and reading email

H








Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Gene
 

When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such things. Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect description of a problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten seconds, I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops or is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



























Re: Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages

Tyler Spivey
 

That has disadvantages. Those portable copies won't be able to access anything requiring elevation.
Instead, call NVDA with -c and the path of a new config directory. For example, I can run:

nvda -c c:\users\tyler\nvdatest

and I have the same installed NVDA, just using a different configuration directory.

On 12/2/2020 4:28 PM, Deborah Armstrong wrote:
Create portable copies but save them to your hard drive. You want a portable copy for each language you know. Create shortcuts to each of these portable copies. Instead of running on flash drives, they simply run off your PC from their own directories.
You will also need a way to change the windows display and interface languages as well, or you're going to have German NVDA trying to read English! There are ways to do it -- talk to Microsoft support or look through their knowledgebase to get assistance. Microsoft also has two disability support portals: one for home users and one for enterprise users. You can ask these folks about easily switching your Windows language.
Remember Windows has an interface language, a display language a keyboard language and a speech language. You can set any or all of these. And you can switch between them.  Though the traditional "language bar"is a floating toolbar that NVDA cannot read, the keystrokes to switch languages are accessible and you don't really need to access the language bar to do the switching. I'll be discussing this in my NVDACon talk this Saturday.


Re: Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hi Deborah

This is a great idea thank you for that. Could you be so nice and write me a private message to explain me step by step to do that?

This would help me a lot.

Thanks again and greetings

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

Von: Deborah Armstrong
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Dezember 2020 01:29
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages

 

Create portable copies but save them to your hard drive. You want a portable copy for each language you know. Create shortcuts to each of these portable copies. Instead of running on flash drives, they simply run off your PC from their own directories.

You will also need a way to change the windows display and interface languages as well, or you're going to have German NVDA trying to read English! There are ways to do it -- talk to Microsoft support or look through their knowledgebase to get assistance. Microsoft also has two disability support portals: one for home users and one for enterprise users. You can ask these folks about easily switching your Windows language.

Remember Windows has an interface language, a display language a keyboard language and a speech language. You can set any or all of these. And you can switch between them.  Though the traditional "language bar"is a floating toolbar that NVDA cannot read, the keystrokes to switch languages are accessible and you don't really need to access the language bar to do the switching. I'll be discussing this in my NVDACon talk this Saturday.

 


Re: two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I was really hoping it would do well myself, as I've used SA to go on
several computers. Sometimes though, it simply crashes when trying to
load. That being said, it won't automatically read the message, but
what it will do is after pressing control+D, it will say "message
subject message HTML." NVDA is completely silent, though I think it
does read the subject line as expected after moving a message out of
the Inbox.

On 12/1/20, Sky Mundell <skyt@shaw.ca> wrote:
Hello Bob. Perhaps this is something that needs to be addressed in a future
update of NVDA? This is concerning that NVDA won't automatically read the
message after hitting control and the letter D, but System Access will,
especially since System Access from what I hear is soon going to be a dead
product and from what I hear hasn't received any updates since August of
2020. Note. I've had some familiarity with System Access in the past and
owned their accessibility anywhere package and when SA to go came out I was
hoping that SA To go would take off and become successful.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: December 1, 2020 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Hi all,
I've been using NVDA now for a few days, and for the most part it's working
without a hitch in Outlook. However, I'm having two problems:
1. In Outlook, the reporting of deleted messages is inconsistent. If
deleting from a folder, NVDA doesn't, and has never, said anything.
I'd like the subject line of the next message to be spoken after the
previous message is moved to the deleted items folder. When in the deleted
items folder, NVDA does not reliably say the correct subject line. To
reproduce, follow these steps:
A. Locate an email you don't want in Outlook, open it, then press
control+D to delete it. Notice that NVDA does not say anything, I'd
like it to say the subject of the next message, or the name of the folder if
there are no more messages to display or you have Outlook configured to
return you to the folder where you were.
B. Now go to your deleted items folder, and find a few messages you want to
delete. For this scenario, I'm assuming you, like me, have Outlook set to
open the previous item upon taking action on the currently focused one. Open
one of the messages, and press control+D to delete it. Outlook pops up a
message saying that this will be permanent, and asks if you would like to
continue. Say yes to this, and you should be in the next message. Here, NVDA
sometimes says the correct subject, sometimes does not say the subject of
the message at all, or sometimes even says the subject of the message you
just deleted.
2. I don't use Outlook for the account I'm writing you on right now, I use
Gmail's web interface with the basic html mode. When navigating through my
messages using the tab key, NVDA does not read who the message is from. It
will say something like row 4 column 1 checkbox not checked, then I tab and
it will say column 3 message subject.
System Access will read the sender's name with the checkbox in column 1.
Bob











Re: two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I'm not sure if I made my point clear enough on this. I am used to the
way System Access reads things, which is that when tabbing through and
landing on the checkboxes, it reads who the message is from right away
without having to use any extra table commands. Is there some way this
can be implemented in NVDA? It seems like there are situations like
this all over the web.

On 12/2/20, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Bob
I can’t comment on the Outlook issues but regarding the Gmail basic HTML
view, when you are browsing the list of messages, you are in a table, so use
the table reading commands rather than just tabbing. These are
Control+alt+left/right/up/down arrows, so, for example you can move up and
down the subject column to read them. Personally, I hate the gmail
interface and have linked my gmail account to the W10 mail app and find it
much easier to manage.

Cheers
Chris

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: 02 December 2020 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two different problems with NVDA and reading email

H







Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Brian,

Indeed, you don't have a brailledisplay, that is the reason.

Marten

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:16:02 -0800 "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:


You will land on a option to choose the brailledisplay driver and press
space to open this menu.
First, I do not have a Braille display connected, so this could be the difference, but the only control I see for Braille is the Download and install braille button.

If I SHIFT+TAB seventeen times I land on the checkbox for Sync the Narrator cursor and system focus , which is checked by default.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.*

~ Thomas Reed Powell





Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten seconds, I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops or is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



























Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Quentin Christensen
 

I added quite a bit of information on NVDACon, how to join and so on in this week's In-Process blog post: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-2nd-december-2020/

Basically, to join NVDACon, see the "How to join us" page on NVDACon.org: https://www.nvdacon.org/how-to-join-us

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:55 AM Deborah Armstrong <debee@...> wrote:
Go to nvdacon.org



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA and Word

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Mike,

This is not so much an NVDA feature as a Word feature.  You could try setting the view mode to "Draft" (alt+w, e) rather than the default page layout (alt+w, p to get back to page layout).

If you want all the footnotes in the one place in the document, do you maybe want "endnotes" instead of footnotes?  They work essentially the same, but they are grouped at the very end of the document, rather than at the bottom of each page.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 10:17 AM mike mcglashon <michael.mcglashon@...> wrote:

Hi guys:

 

Am new to this list I think;

 

My question relates to NVDA and word.

I notice whenst reading cases for law school,

NVDA will say “footnote area” and then say “document” when it returns to the actual document being read.

 

Is there a way to have NVDA either:

Skip the footnote portions and continue reading original doc,
or,

Is there a way to group all the footnotes together so that NVDA can go from one to another?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike McGlashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Gene
 

How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten seconds, I would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops or is very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may when I attend another meeting.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You may not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but if you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



















Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem. This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8.  I don't know the laptop layout.  You may not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names as you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but if you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no avail:

1.  Wit no apps

2.  restart NVDA

3.  Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.


















Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Fresh Start <dan@...>
 

It may sound strange, but check and see if the layout got changed. Then
make sure the screen is maximized. Sometimes the screen will change for
whatever reason. It might not totally minimize. But will change in size.
Also if there is a change in font size, that can happen. So maximize the
screen with alt plus space followed x with the document opened.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it
doesn't.


Inserting Latency in NVDA Speech and Bluetooth Audio

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

This may come off as an odd request, but I do need it to simulate a
certain scenario. I would like to have NVDA's speech - with the same
voice settings and my same ESpeak-NG - be outputted but with a delay
of 150 ms. Latency is generally frowned upon, yes, but I would like to
artificially manufacture it at present. Is there some way of doing
this?

For context, I am aware that standard Bluetooth audio (sans low
latency audio codecs) typically have an associated latency of 150-250
ms. Since I do not have the required equipment to test that
practically, I want to emulate that latency with NVDA on my laptop
speakers so as to get a sense of how much a couple hundred
milliseconds of delay is likely to affect me in the real world.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

Create portable copies but save them to your hard drive. You want a portable copy for each language you know. Create shortcuts to each of these portable copies. Instead of running on flash drives, they simply run off your PC from their own directories.

You will also need a way to change the windows display and interface languages as well, or you're going to have German NVDA trying to read English! There are ways to do it -- talk to Microsoft support or look through their knowledgebase to get assistance. Microsoft also has two disability support portals: one for home users and one for enterprise users. You can ask these folks about easily switching your Windows language.

Remember Windows has an interface language, a display language a keyboard language and a speech language. You can set any or all of these. And you can switch between them.  Though the traditional "language bar"is a floating toolbar that NVDA cannot read, the keystrokes to switch languages are accessible and you don't really need to access the language bar to do the switching. I'll be discussing this in my NVDACon talk this Saturday.


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I am sorry I can't be very specific, but in fooling with my view settings in outlook I managed to turn grouping off and it cut out all that verbosity. You can adjust your view to include fewer columns too. Since NVDA is reading outlook's document object model and not the screen it should respond appropriately if you adjust your view to be more minimalist.
Another thing to know: if you are focused on a message that is a newsletter and outlook announces garbage about pictures not downloading, etc. you can use your applications key, select junk, select "not junk"and by marking this message as not Spam, anything else coming from that sender will be whitelisted. Whitelisting a message also causes Outlook to not display and NVDA to not speak verbose messages about it. Because outlook is so configurable, you will find that changing its settings radically affects what NVDA speaks.


Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

Go to nvdacon.org


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 06:38 PM, Gene wrote:
But is a reply to sender link available in e-mail programs on lists where the address is hidden?
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I have no idea.  I have never dealt with an e-mail list where e-mail addresses are hidden such that you cannot reply privately if you so choose.

But even if such exist, they're irrelevant to discussions regarding Groups.io, and the Reply to Sender link, which is provided on every message that goes out.  This conversation has a clearly defined scope, and I'm not trying to expand beyond it.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

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