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locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hello again, Here are corrected links... I hope.


Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&linkId=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995

Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
http://amzn.to/2iD7TbV

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having a
n anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

Erik

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers.
I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi, I take it you got the links to work then? Some one reported a failure, but before I had time to look into it, the message got deleted by my over enthusiastic cleanup procedure.

I don't know of a list specifically for computestick. I'm not certain what the point would be as they are only intel's proprietary version of a standard windows PC and there are entire and decently accessible websites dedicated to information abut hacking them. The only real pitfall I've come across yet is the lack of an anolog audio out, but since the thing is intended for use in home theatres and most monitors have some audio support nowadays, few people aut to be effected by the lack of a 3.5 mm jack for hooking up speakers.

It's kind'a O/t but I'll be happy to answer any questions you have as I can. My parents have the first generation. For the price difference, I would only consider the 2nd gen at this point. It wasn't an option when my parents were in the market.

Best,

Erik

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On January 17, 2017 1:25:28 AM "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for these links. Is there a list some where for discussing these
(specifically with accessibility in mind)? I might entertain one of these
for my next build (found one that is actually bigger than a stick but still
way smaller than the tower on my computer that I built from scratch).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick

Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.

Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&
creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&link
Id=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995

Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=inclus
ivean03-20&keywords=intel
computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363
e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

Erik

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers.
I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous










Re: removing a forgotten password

Pascal Lambert
 

It is in windows itself.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] removing a forgotten password

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.



On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like
bold, italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F
4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








locked Re: looking for a good compute stick

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Thanks for these links. Is there a list some where for discussing these
(specifically with accessibility in mind)? I might entertain one of these
for my next build (found one that is actually bigger than a stick but still
way smaller than the tower on my computer that I built from scratch).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good compute stick

Hi, compute stick is intel's model of tiny personal computer.

Here is a link to computestick first generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014N4CZE2/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&
creative=9325&creativeASIN=B014N4CZE2&linkCode=as2&tag=inclusivean03-20&link
Id=b216c581e63a0da38d2277aaa219e995

Here is a link to the current generation with windows 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=inclus
ivean03-20&keywords=intel
computestick&index=aps&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=xm2&linkId=a7ceb8363
e1963a1f8e899b438362d3c

These are both in your price range. Asside from them getting warm and not
having an anolog audio jack, I'm pretty happy with the first generation. I
hacked it to ubuntoo using images and instructions I found online. There's
an hdmi, one usb, and one SD on the first generation model. I haven't
looked closely at the second generation, but for the pricepoint, I would
definitely give it a glance.

I hope this helps,

Erik

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On January 13, 2017 1:46:09 PM "coffeekingms@hotmail.com"
<coffeekingms@hotmail.com> wrote:

hi all

My birthday is coming up next month and I'm stuck between an iPod
nano, or a compute stick. I'm not sure what they're actually supposed
to be called,but what I'm talking about is a miniature computer that
terminates in an HDMI port which connects to an HDTV or projector,
with enough storage, bluetooth, wi fi, and a micro sd card slot to use
as an every day laptop. I've looked around a little, but they're quite
expensive, about the cheapest I've run across that sounds like it
might be powerful enough to run both windows 10 and sonar linux well
is the acer chromebot, which is around 90 dollars. The thing about
chrome OS devices is that I don't know a thing about them. They're
linux underneath the google, but I don't know if they're as easy to
duel boot as a regular x86 or x64 pc is. Does anyone know of a good
device that would do this for at least a reasonable price? I'd say
around my absolute top would be $150, and for that it had better be
top of the line or mellisa will ... well she won't be happy. I don't
have many requirements, but I'd like it to be able to run windows 10
at least reasonably well, including some casual gaming like killer
instinct, the windows 10 version, and emulated systems like the
gamecube, wii and n64, and that it have a micro sd card slot, wi fi
and bluetooth. Three or four USB ports would be nice, but not
essential at all, I can just get a USB hub if I have to for extra
ports. A package deal where one comes with the device, a hub and maybe
a bluetooth keyboard would be nice, but I don't want to complicate
things, so not at all necessary, just convenient. I have a keyboard
already. It's a logitech, and it uses one of those wireless receivers.
I'll shut up now lol.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



--
Without coffee, life is not worth living. Anonymous




Re: OCR software?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I did eventually get it to say there is estimated ink levels, but I am sure that is a picture. And at one point I did find scan a document but I couldn’t get back to that part so there is something there. I am going to assume that it needs to use the mouse functions to get around (which I am still pretty clueless with).

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of slery
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

 

FYI, NVDA reads the title and says blank for everything else (assuming there is anything else). How do you get NVDA to work in the HP printing software?

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

 

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm, slery wrote:

Really? Please tell me where the OCR function is and how to access it in my HP Officejet 7500 E910.

See the User Guide for your machine, PDF page 48, that documents doing this using the HP Software that comes with the printer under the section entitled, Scanning documents as editable text.  I cannot speak to why it would not be accessible, as I've never used this particular model, but I have used HP multi-function machines with the full-featured software suite and driver (the one for your machine is downloadable here) with screen readers without difficulty.  There have been times, not limited in any way to HP software, where a given piece of software would not "play well" with a given screen reader and another screen reader would work perfectly with it.  It's always worth checking.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    

 


Windows 10 App Essentials January 17th snapshot posted

 

Dear users of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on,

 

A few weeks ago, some of you asked me (via email and Twitter) if a feature could be developed where Windows 10 App Essentials can check for updated versions of itself. I’m delighted to announce that this is available via a snapshot build:

http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=w10-dev

 

After installing today’s build, you’ll find a new option called “Windows 10 App Essentials” under NVDA’s preferences menu. This dialog allows you to tell NVDA to check for updated versions of this add-on and from where (development or stable channel). If the tests show it is working as advertised, it’ll be included in add-on 17.02.

 

Important notes:

 

  1. After installing this build, please don’t attempt to change to stable channel, as current stable version does not support add-on update feature.
  2. If you tell NVDA to automatically check for add-on updates, you’ll find that NVDA will present the add-on update dialog each time it starts if a new version of the add-on is available. If there’s sufficient demand, I’ll let you configure update check interval.
  3. When you check for updates from the new Windows 10 App Essentials dialog, the dialog will close, current settings will be saved, and add-on update dialog will pop up.

 

Enjoy.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: OCR software?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

FYI, NVDA reads the title and says blank for everything else (assuming there is anything else). How do you get NVDA to work in the HP printing software?

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software?

 

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 10:57 pm, slery wrote:

Really? Please tell me where the OCR function is and how to access it in my HP Officejet 7500 E910.

See the User Guide for your machine, PDF page 48, that documents doing this using the HP Software that comes with the printer under the section entitled, Scanning documents as editable text.  I cannot speak to why it would not be accessible, as I've never used this particular model, but I have used HP multi-function machines with the full-featured software suite and driver (the one for your machine is downloadable here) with screen readers without difficulty.  There have been times, not limited in any way to HP software, where a given piece of software would not "play well" with a given screen reader and another screen reader would work perfectly with it.  It's always worth checking.
--
Brian

 He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity.

         ~ T. De Vere White

    

 


Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Duly noted. If anything comes up, I'll remember this advice.


Thanks again for your input. It's been a great help.


On 17/01/2017 11:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.

The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.


Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.


On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,

I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.

The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.

The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled.  What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is.  When using say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.

To turn this option on:

1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.  Ensure it is checked.

Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).

Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.

I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte

Quentin Christensen
 

I must admit I haven't encountered any lag, although I am sure there are others running much lower spec hardware.

The other thing I was going to say on that while I think of it, is that if you do find it lags in other programs, it's possible to setup a configuration profile just for Jarte which has the option on where you leave it off in other programs (or setup a profile for another program to have it off if it's just an issue in one other program).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:

Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.


Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.


On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,

I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.

The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.

The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled.  What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is.  When using say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.

To turn this option on:

1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.  Ensure it is checked.

Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).

Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.

I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Thank you! I never used that option before because of the lag warning, but I guess that lag is negligible or just doesn't happen all the time. I'd forgotten it existed.


Well, looks like Jarte will be my alternate word processor of choice! It does everything I want it to do, and I honestly sometimes find background spellchecking distracting and like the one in the menus, so I'll stick with that. Might take me a while to add all the words I want in the dictionary. There are a lot of Pokémon nowadays.


On 17/01/2017 9:17 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,

I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.

The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.

The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled.  What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is.  When using say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.

To turn this option on:

1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.  Ensure it is checked.

Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).

Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.

I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA

Kwork
 

Or names that have even more spelling variants:
Catherine, Katherine, Cathrynne, Kathrynne, Katharine, Catharine, Catharynne, Katharynne, etc. I think I've seen more for that one than any other. I agree with Gene that figuring out how common words, and especially proper nouns, such as names, are spelled when replying or addressing someone in a professional environment. Someone writing captcha as capture annoys me to no end.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

It may seem reasonable but it should strenuously be avoided.  Such mistakes lower the credibility of the person writing.  If someone writes to a web site developer about captures when they mean captchas, it will not be as credible to the web site developer when the person doesn't get the name right about what is being complained about.  In other words, it doesn't matter how something sounds.  No matter how an unfamiliar word sounds, the spelling should not be assumed. 
 
and it may be embarrassing.  Suppose you are writing to someone on a business matter and you spell the first name Steven with a v when it's Stephen, with a ph instead of a v.  That doesn't leave a good impression.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

I used to do this with CAPTCHA, though to be fair, you do have to capture something to solve it—hidden words or numbers in an image or sound, the true image if you have to drag/drop parts of a picture, etc. It's a perfectly reasonable mistake to make. Good thing Espeak NG says it more clearly now, isn't it? :)


On 16/01/2017 10:33 AM, Gene wrote:
The program is free and it is not Jot.  It is JARTE j a r t e.  If blind people don't check the spelling of unfamiliar words they intend to use, they make these kinds of mistakes.  CAPTCHA is another glaring example,  It is chronically written "capture." 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA

The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc.

Of course it might  be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key.
Legal?  Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM
Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA


> Hi,
>
>
> My computer's keyboard's been acting up, and I have my Mum's as a
> backup, but it doesn't have Microsoft Office on it, and I was wondering
> if there was a decent free word processor out there, accessible with
> NVDA, that I could install on that computer instead. It would be nice if
> it could read and edit .docx files, but I'm aware I can't have everything.
>
>
> The most used features in Word for me are:
>
> The Spellchecker, including a whole dictionary of words I've added so
> Pokémon names, anime characters' names and names I just made up don't
> get flagged;
>
> The word-counter;
>
> Page-breaks;
>
> Headings (mostly for aesthetic reasons).
>
> If there's something out there that does all these things, and is free
> and accessible, I'll be pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
>
>









Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox

Gene
 

If you want to install an unsigned add on, I can see disabling the requirement that add ons be signed.  But I see no reason to do all the other things you do that strike me as to a certain extent dangerous and unnecessary.  Others who install add ons don't do these things.  It's easy enough to install add ons.  I almost never install them but when I do, I am asked in one or two dialogs to verify that I want to install the add on.  I'm not sure how easy it is to find the installation message even though it's read automatically but if you listen carefully, you will hear the commands to allow or not allow the installation.  I don't remember what they are now but they are alt and a letter command as I recall and if you listen during the announcement being read you will hear the commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox

Yes, when I need to install something I shut down firefox security for
all addons I forget where but there is a way to ignore signed and other
things in about-config that has to do with required signatures.
With this off, I also disable all security settings and other things in
firefox.
I then shut down my firewall, all my malware scanners and open my ports
allowing anyone to hack in.
I then install the software, then put all my settings back, it does mean
I have to hit buttons a lot more than I should for a few files but I
don't usually need to add things.
It goes without saying that any mozilla addons will just load from the
firefox store without much trouble.



On 17/01/2017 7:44 a.m., Георги Ламбов wrote:
>    Evening group!
>
> I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is
> unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some
> important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next
> version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even
> immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?
>
> Georgi
>
>
>
>
> .
>



Re: Accessible Word Processor

David Griffith
 

OK thanks for that.

I did a little experimenting to see why I thought you could not set Font attributes as in HJPad.What I found was

1. Using NVDA 2016.4 I typed some sample text in HJPad. I then selected it all and pressed control i for italic.
2. NVDA did not make any announcement about the text being italicised as in Word for example.
3. However I then pressed NVDA and F to get Font attributes and this time NVDA did announce that the text was italicised alongside all the other Font attributes.
4. It seems then that to make HJPad properly usable you have to turn on Font attribute
and style feedback in NVDA document Formatting options with NVDA Control plus D. With this amended with Font and Style checked you can get good proofing type feedback as you review text in HJPad.

One thing HJPad certainly does have unlike other free Word Processing options is good support for read all, and reading by paragraph is also easy with control down and up arrow.

In that sense HJPad does seem to be a viable option for Word Processing with this change in NVDA Font feedback, certainly in basic document creation.

There are limitations however in the lack of support for tables- and in the limitation in the range of formats supported. I could save only in text or rtf.

At a pince though I could envisage a situation where if at a push you created the vast bulk of a document in HJPad and then used it in conjucntion with something like Libre Office for document conversion and support for tables- though as I understand it NVDA does not currently support tables that well in Libre or Open Office.

So Libre Office could be a pipeline to HJPad converting docx files to rtf for use in HJPad and vice versa for converting the HJPad rtf document to docx.
Other workarounds will be probably necesary to deal with tables.
What I used to do on the Mac to get around this problem with table support was to save as html and read in a browser. I do not know if Libre Office supports saving as html but this is a possible work around.

Anyway HJPad is a free Word Processor which you can use alongside the FS Daisy Book Reader if you install Jaws and leave it in demo mode.

David Griffith

On 16/01/2017 14:04, Gene wrote:
Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.
Select a fond in the list.
Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor


You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.

Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor


HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.




Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox

 

Yes, when I need to install something I shut down firefox security for all addons I forget where but there is a way to ignore signed and other things in about-config that has to do with required signatures.
With this off, I also disable all security settings and other things in firefox.
I then shut down my firewall, all my malware scanners and open my ports allowing anyone to hack in.
I then install the software, then put all my settings back, it does mean I have to hit buttons a lot more than I should for a few files but I don't usually need to add things.
It goes without saying that any mozilla addons will just load from the firefox store without much trouble.

On 17/01/2017 7:44 a.m., Георги Ламбов wrote:
Evening group!

I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is
unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some
important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next
version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even
immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?

Georgi



.


Re: removing a forgotten password

 

Is the password in question in the laptop bios or is it in windows itself.
if its the former there is little you can do bar buy another mutherboard or another laptop.
If its in windows, if you have a password reset disk then you can probably reset the password.
if not, you could use your windows installation disk and reformat and reinstall windows.
If you can get a win7 pe or 10 talking pe, I think its on opopanax.net but I forget I think http://dl.opopanax.net/files should be it, then you should be able to get that backup your user files then reinstall windows.
On that note, I do wander if you make a password reset disk on another computer you can then use it on a windows computer you have lost the password.

On 17/01/2017 6:48 a.m., Pascal Lambert wrote:
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access.

It is an HP laptop using Win10.

Many thanks.

Blessings.

Pascal



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu.

Select a fond in the list.

Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.



Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: David Griffith <mailto:daj.griffith@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor



HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange
location even with Jaws 18.

Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know.

It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can
tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold,
italic, or underline.


I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a
word processor.

Despite being buried away it does still work.


Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path


C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE



David Griffith

David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible
word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but
I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.








Re: Reading math using NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi David,

As well as MathPlayer, you also need MathType - also by Design Science.

The MathPlayer manual for Word and PowerPoint is brief but here: https://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/manual.htm#mathplayer_and_word

If you are still having problems, please let me know if you are getting an error, or what you are trying and what is happening.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:44 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:
I have no knowledge of Mats I am afraid but I would simply comment that I routinely save Powerpoint presentations to PDF which personally i find much easer to review then.


Whether this solves your maths problem is another matter of course.


David Griffith


On 16/01/2017 11:07, Joel.B wrote:
Hi,


Can someone please guide me how to read math keyed in mathtype in powerpoint using NVDA?

Thanks,
Joel








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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

system language, my keyboard is usually us to I have never needed to change it for any reason.

On 16/01/2017 10:02 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Are you talking about system language, or keyboard language?


While my system language is generally set to english UK, or english
South Africa, keyboard language is always set to english US.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-01-16 10:43, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I know this is a bit far fetched but has anyone been able to emulate
this.
I have several machines installed win10 in new zealand languages were
nz and us, and I switched to nz by default no issues there.
I am unsure but not willing to try to switch to us and see.
I have just finnished working with an old first gen i3.
Its mostly set as a windows server handling not much.
I updated as much as I could and installed as much as I could without
breaking it so nothing really big like vertual machines and big
network management stuff is actually loaded on it, however it was in
us language, I tried to change it to nz.
I managed to get the language pack installed.
However after changing to that pack and restarting.
Windows acted really strange the keyboard stopped working right, and
almost total accessability failier, until I switched back.
Once again I tried with other keyboards but no luck.
I basically tried the search box and it either didn't respond or was
slow to, this was with narator to mind you and nvda in core and standard.
Also it seems that even when it did work it wouldn't accept anything
to do with language or anything with enter, ie if I hit search, typed
language and hit enter I'd just get the speach saying la la la la
lalalalalala
All day long till I restored the system or reset via control panel the
language.
I have never needed to change languages since build 10040 that was
when I upgraded initially, since then its never been needed.
I also had to clear a lot of optional features from the system and
somehow after killing stuff I shouldn't have add optional feature
button went and I got something about typing, luckily there was a
point from when I uninstalled a program that morning else I'd have to
reformat and its not my pc.
I then slowly created points and redid what was needed excluding the
stuff that didn't work.
One of the things I retried was the language and after having a few
issues with it and finally installing it.
And then finally applying the windows update again for the updated
language files, the system semi worked but the keyboard refused no
matter what board I used and other languages than us.
Also apps especially universals, search boxes, store, etc loaded
slowly or if they loaded the accessability functions never kicked in
at least for a couple minutes.
I have ofcause an ultrafast unit here which has no issue but its not
mine and again the language and board are nz and us respectively and I
am not mucking round.
I also never needed to remove optional features or anything like it.
I have only once needed to remove some program features from control
panel but I have never had the same issue.
I figgure the system is probably a bit slow and all the extras are
making it crash so I didn't push it.
However even if most of what I say only happens on vary slow boxes
there may be something in that.
I don't want to mangle an actual system, but even if I didn't load
every feature and junket I'd still want to at least change the
language if not for anything then the dictionaries and other office
default thingies that went on.
And if not I could get round that.
I am not sure what it is.
I suspect that its the input methods and maybe a few other things.
I am close, that close I can feel it again I am so far away that I
could spend all day on it.
In the end I got the system working for shipping back to its owner today.
I don't think it would look good on the contract to say because I
wanted to see what this button did I'd have to reformat and such,
especially since I don't use a screen at all, so I do rely on the
system starting up enough to run sound and my keyboard.\

Also is it just me or is realtek.com.tw offline and has been for days
now.
Skype update servers were offline today but thats ok now.
The next box I will be dealing with is a i7 with hybrid ssd and hdd,
and I hope it won't have the same issue.
Naturally I will be doing the same thing, seeing if I can stress the
thing by loading lots of stuff and seeing what it does.
It goes without saying though that I will be making restore points I
didn't this morning so I will do so before anything major is done.
I just hope things are not as mangled as they were.
But if windows does this again, then there is a bug.
If I write back again and I hope to god I don't need to it means that
I replicated the bug.
If its win10 apps or nvda then whatever.
I know there are insiders on here so if it happens to you or whatever
maybe you could post a feadback, I guess I could but I havn't tracked
the issue down and I will have slightly less time tomorrow than I did
today to do it.
Pluss I know half of you hackers stay up all night, yes! mr lee I am
looking at you right at this minute.
I am sure if it can be replicated someone can get back to me or over
on the list, removing, installing features and changing languages for
default language at least is not something you tend to do often.
If it can be done, at least I do hope that programs that need it
detect and run the language pack even if windows just doesn't do so.



On 16/01/2017 4:42 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,



To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under
anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



I will when the new version comes out.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi,

Trying installing it in Windows 7.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are
hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an
Insider
Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,



Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01



Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later,
please do
NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development
snapshot
or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last
one to
support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph













Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released

 

Well I replicated the issue once again while doing another unit today, same client.
this time an i7 hybrid ssd hdd third generation.
The searchbox never went away, but I can certainly notice the delays, and typing lang just does not work.
On my desktop updated with 10040 ofcause that was never the issue in fact its been nz language and thats all.
I thought I'd be nice and report it in feadback hub but I couldn't find the submit buttons and the input fields while they do read back to me do not under any circomstances echo back I also noticed that I have to go to control panel to actually install the language packs as well as download all of those on settings.
I have not tried to remove features on the working system I have or in fact to remove optional features and see if that bug with it doing what it was doing before appearing I assume it is still there.
To finnish off the message slightly away from it to the person with the issue with the delete dialog, after removing some spyware from the latest box, even with default brouser, I couldn't open web addresses till I told open to make chrome the default which it was anyway and I also had to go to the recyclebin properties and uncheck the notification messages so it would then show again, its aparently a new windows feature according to the net and I am not to thrilled with it especially for new users.

On 16/01/2017 11:10 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
It says system language English US, Language Locale' English UK
One assumes this means that there are rules for English always, but
variations occur for different countries such as currency defaults and
other stuff., like spelling dictionaries etc.
I have on more than one occasion had sent to me doc files from machines
set up all over the place from Cyrillic to English us and it can be a
real pain when attempting to edit such files having to check the
language the template used was in to get anything sensible.
I've also found daft things going on like a line I've added apparently
in English suddenly turning to what looks like Greek on print out, to
the great hilarity of my sighted friends.
I guess with computers a good sense of humour and patience is needed.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released


Are you talking about system language, or keyboard language?


While my system language is generally set to english UK, or english
South Africa, keyboard language is always set to english US.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-01-16 10:43, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I know this is a bit far fetched but has anyone been able to emulate
this.
I have several machines installed win10 in new zealand languages were
nz and us, and I switched to nz by default no issues there.
I am unsure but not willing to try to switch to us and see.
I have just finnished working with an old first gen i3.
Its mostly set as a windows server handling not much.
I updated as much as I could and installed as much as I could without
breaking it so nothing really big like vertual machines and big
network management stuff is actually loaded on it, however it was in
us language, I tried to change it to nz.
I managed to get the language pack installed.
However after changing to that pack and restarting.
Windows acted really strange the keyboard stopped working right, and
almost total accessability failier, until I switched back.
Once again I tried with other keyboards but no luck.
I basically tried the search box and it either didn't respond or was
slow to, this was with narator to mind you and nvda in core and
standard.
Also it seems that even when it did work it wouldn't accept anything
to do with language or anything with enter, ie if I hit search, typed
language and hit enter I'd just get the speach saying la la la la
lalalalalala
All day long till I restored the system or reset via control panel
the language.
I have never needed to change languages since build 10040 that was
when I upgraded initially, since then its never been needed.
I also had to clear a lot of optional features from the system and
somehow after killing stuff I shouldn't have add optional feature
button went and I got something about typing, luckily there was a
point from when I uninstalled a program that morning else I'd have to
reformat and its not my pc.
I then slowly created points and redid what was needed excluding the
stuff that didn't work.
One of the things I retried was the language and after having a few
issues with it and finally installing it.
And then finally applying the windows update again for the updated
language files, the system semi worked but the keyboard refused no
matter what board I used and other languages than us.
Also apps especially universals, search boxes, store, etc loaded
slowly or if they loaded the accessability functions never kicked in
at least for a couple minutes.
I have ofcause an ultrafast unit here which has no issue but its not
mine and again the language and board are nz and us respectively and
I am not mucking round.
I also never needed to remove optional features or anything like it.
I have only once needed to remove some program features from control
panel but I have never had the same issue.
I figgure the system is probably a bit slow and all the extras are
making it crash so I didn't push it.
However even if most of what I say only happens on vary slow boxes
there may be something in that.
I don't want to mangle an actual system, but even if I didn't load
every feature and junket I'd still want to at least change the
language if not for anything then the dictionaries and other office
default thingies that went on.
And if not I could get round that.
I am not sure what it is.
I suspect that its the input methods and maybe a few other things.
I am close, that close I can feel it again I am so far away that I
could spend all day on it.
In the end I got the system working for shipping back to its owner
today.
I don't think it would look good on the contract to say because I
wanted to see what this button did I'd have to reformat and such,
especially since I don't use a screen at all, so I do rely on the
system starting up enough to run sound and my keyboard.\

Also is it just me or is realtek.com.tw offline and has been for days
now.
Skype update servers were offline today but thats ok now.
The next box I will be dealing with is a i7 with hybrid ssd and hdd,
and I hope it won't have the same issue.
Naturally I will be doing the same thing, seeing if I can stress the
thing by loading lots of stuff and seeing what it does.
It goes without saying though that I will be making restore points I
didn't this morning so I will do so before anything major is done.
I just hope things are not as mangled as they were.
But if windows does this again, then there is a bug.
If I write back again and I hope to god I don't need to it means that
I replicated the bug.
If its win10 apps or nvda then whatever.
I know there are insiders on here so if it happens to you or whatever
maybe you could post a feadback, I guess I could but I havn't tracked
the issue down and I will have slightly less time tomorrow than I did
today to do it.
Pluss I know half of you hackers stay up all night, yes! mr lee I am
looking at you right at this minute.
I am sure if it can be replicated someone can get back to me or over
on the list, removing, installing features and changing languages for
default language at least is not something you tend to do often.
If it can be done, at least I do hope that programs that need it
detect and run the language pack even if windows just doesn't do so.



On 16/01/2017 4:42 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,



To tell you the truth, Windows 10 App Essentials will not work under
anything other than Windows 10 build 10586 (Version 1511) or later.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



I will when the new version comes out.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi,

Trying installing it in Windows 7.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi, could windows 7 users use it too?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-17 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi,

Yes, you have Anniversary Update, so go ahead and use 17.01.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi Joseph!
Thanks, i am using:
14393.693)
If I understand correctly, I can now cheerfully pass this new version:
Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01
Thanks again for all!
Have a good day!
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 20:53, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi,

Open Start, type “winver” (without quotes) and press ENTER. If you are
hearing builds other than 1024, 10586 and 14393, you are running an
Insider
Preview build.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released



Hi Josephe,
Thanks for jour job!
Sorry how to know if i am using Windows Insider build?
For me Windows ten is new! :)
Thanks very much.
Cheers since France.
Rémy

Le 14/01/2017 18:08, Joseph Lee a écrit :

Hi everyone,



Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 is now available:

https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/tag/17.01



Important: if you are using Windows Insider build 15002 or later,
please do
NOT use this build – you should either use the latest development
snapshot
or wait until add-on 17.02 comes out. Also, this version is the last
one to
support NVDA 2016.3 or earlier.

Cheers,

Joseph














Solved: Reading formatting with Jarte

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sharni-Lee and everyone,

I thought I would write this as a new thread, just for anyone who didn't follow all the way through the Accessible Word Processors thread and the issue raised of reading formatting such as Italics.

The issue was the things like Italics were read at the start of a line, but not when they appeared in the middle of a line.

The solution is to open the NVDA document formatting dialog and ensure "Report formatting changes after the cursor (Can cause a lag)" is enabled.  What this does is detect all formatting on the line, not just at the exact place the cursor is.  When using say all (NVDA+a or NVDA+down arrow), the cursor moves down to the start of each line as it gets to it, which is why it was detecting formatting at the start of the line but not in the middle.

To turn this option on:

1. Press NVDA+CONTROL+D (or NVDA+N to open NVDA's menu, then choose preferences, then Document formatting).
2. TAB or SHIFT+TAB to the "Report formatting changes after the cursor (can cause a lag) option.
3. Press SPACEBAR to toggle this option.  Ensure it is checked.

Note that the option is the last thing in the dialog now before the ok and cancel buttons, so SHIFT+TAB is easier to get to it (just noticed there doesn't seem to be a hot key, I'll open an issue for that).

Note that in order to report things like italic and bold, you will also need to have "font attributes" checked, which is the third option in the dialog.

I tested this with a portable version of Jarte in Windows 7 as well as Windows 10 just to ensure it works in both.

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox

Ksenia Natapova
 

Hello,
Has that addon been signed?
Best regards
Ksenia Natapova

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 16.01.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@gmail.com>:

Evening group!

I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with?

Georgi