Date   

NVDA In-Process now available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

The latest instalment of "In-Process", the NV Access blog is now available.  As well as information about our audio training material and our upcoming trip to CSUN, the big news this week is, of course, the release of 2017.1rc1.  To accompany that announcement, I thought it was a great chance to share with you just what "rc" means and a little of the journey a new NVDA feature or fix takes from being reported, through to when it makes it into a final stable release.  Happy reading!:


Regards

Quentin.

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Re: NVDA not announcing bullets when added

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Dan

 

I just tested the bullets insertion.

 

After selecting, in Word 2010, I press the application key and go down to “bullets”. After entering, NVDA does announce the bullets I inserted. True, when entering on “bullets” there is no speech response, but then, you must know that you selected to enter on bullets.

 

There are definitely other ways to insert bullets, but to me the above mentioned is definitely the easiest.

 

Regards

 

Christo (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Thompson
Sent: Thursday, 16 February 2017 2:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not announcing bullets when added

 

Hi all,

I was trying to teach adding of bullets on the fly and NVDA will not

Speak that there is  a bullet.

I have tried with most and all punctuation selected and the result is the same.  I also looked under “document formatting” and could find anything that would make this type of symbol be announced.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so can it be changed?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Kendell,

I don't know about much of the software you're asking about but there is a program called anyburn that's really great. Not only can you burn CD's with it but you can also rip CD's in different formats depending on what you want. I haven't tried ripping CD's with it yet. I just learned about that part of the program last night. Here's the link for it if you want to give it a try.

http://www.anyburn.com.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of coffeekingms@hotmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 7:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux, specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list, but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's, since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark


Re: Excel command: shift+f2 edit comment

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi Rui,
I got it.
Thanks.

Regards,

Victor


2017-02-16 10:27 GMT+08:00, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>:

In Excel 2013 the command is the one you refered, Shift+F2.

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
Data: 16 de fevereiro de 2017 02:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [NVDA] Excel command: shift+f2 edit comment



Hi all,
If anyone use Excel2013 or higher version? How to edit comment?

Here is part of quote from issue 2920 comment10:



To allow for full reading and editing of comments in all versions of MS
Excel, we will go with an NVDA-specific comment editing dialog which will
pop up when pressing shift+f2. But even if we were to improve access to
Excel in comment editing mode, we can only do this for Excel 2010 and below

as Excel 2013 stops exposing text via GDI yet does not provide a UI
automation implementation for comment editing.



Another issue is that shift+f2 is a Excel command, so it does not include in

Commands Quick Reference.
I need to get the info from “what’s new_2014.3”.



Microsoft Excel: Provide an NVDA-specific dialog to edit the comments on the

currently selected cell when pressing Excel’s shift+f2 command to enter
comment editing mode. #2920



And get “report command” from Quick Reference.



To report any comments for the currently focused cell, press NVDA+alt+c.



Thanks.

Regards,
Victor Cai









Re: Excel command: shift+f2 edit comment

Rui Fontes
 

In Excel 2013 the command is the one you refered, Shift+F2.

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: 蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
Data: 16 de fevereiro de 2017 02:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [NVDA] Excel command: shift+f2 edit comment



Hi all,
If anyone use Excel2013 or higher version? How to edit comment?

Here is part of quote from issue 2920 comment10:



To allow for full reading and editing of comments in all versions of MS Excel, we will go with an NVDA-specific comment editing dialog which will pop up when pressing shift+f2. But even if we were to improve access to Excel in comment editing mode, we can only do this for Excel 2010 and below as Excel 2013 stops exposing text via GDI yet does not provide a UI automation implementation for comment editing.



Another issue is that shift+f2 is a Excel command, so it does not include in Commands Quick Reference.
I need to get the info from “what’s new_2014.3”.



Microsoft Excel: Provide an NVDA-specific dialog to edit the comments on the currently selected cell when pressing Excel’s shift+f2 command to enter comment editing mode. #2920



And get “report command” from Quick Reference.



To report any comments for the currently focused cell, press NVDA+alt+c.



Thanks.

Regards,
Victor Cai


Excel command: shift+f2 edit comment

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi all,
If anyone use Excel2013 or higher version? How to edit comment?

Here is part of quote from issue 2920 comment10:

To allow for full reading and editing of comments in all versions of MS Excel, we will go with an NVDA-specific comment editing dialog which will pop up when pressing shift+f2. But even if we were to improve access to Excel in comment editing mode, we can only do this for Excel 2010 and below as Excel 2013 stops exposing text via GDI yet does not provide a UI automation implementation for comment editing.

Another issue is that shift+f2 is a Excel command, so it does not include in Commands Quick Reference.
I need to get the info from “what’s new_2014.3”.

Microsoft Excel: Provide an NVDA-specific dialog to edit the comments on the currently selected cell when pressing Excel’s shift+f2 command to enter comment editing mode. #2920

And get “report command” from Quick Reference.

To report any comments for the currently focused cell, press NVDA+alt+c.

Thanks.

Regards,
Victor Cai



Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

Yes, you can stop it but it runs and does almost nothing so there is no reason to stop it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Does uncheckie just run in the backround?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Hi,   next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
sort of thing from happening.   I have found it invaluable.

On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@... wrote:
> hi
>
> Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
> using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
> install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the
> option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no
> accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it
> wants, you'll get the following additional software
>
> avast antivirus
>
> bite fence antimalware
>
> chromium
>
> advanced pc care
>
> stack player
>
> and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
> browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't
> seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA
> can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using
> the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
> Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
> software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
> to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to
> make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install
> chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I
> played around with it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
> On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Hi Kendell,
>>
>> Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!
>>
>> CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and
>> others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just
>> rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just
>> looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA
>> and other formats.
>>
>> I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know
>> what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more
>> problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it
>> does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it
>> is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver,
>> though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I
>> usually go to the manufacturer's website.
>>
>> I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your
>> processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
>> seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything
>> happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on
>> the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
>> it's evidently not overly common.
>>
>> Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
>> fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular
>> browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
>> keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
>> one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes
>> with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do
>> support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
>> with one of the others for the most part.
>>
>> If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
>> Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
>> standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a
>> full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/
>>
>> If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
>> available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/
>>
>> I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
>> all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
>> anything else you need help or a recommendation on.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     hi all
>>
>>     I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>>     specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
>>     reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
>>     list,
>>     but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
>>     prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>>     speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>>     point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
>>     software
>>     to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
>>     a list.
>>
>>     A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
>>     if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>>     since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
>>     rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
>>     care for
>>     mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
>>     Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>>     possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
>>     and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>>     manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
>>     m4b, etc
>>     files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
>>     factory
>>     and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
>>     opus so I
>>     may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>>     software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>>     last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
>>     like to start, assuming
>>     spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
>>     software.
>>     I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
>>     accessible.
>>     I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
>>     Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>>     torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
>>     vinux and
>>     fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>>     these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
>>     screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>>     driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>>     Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>>     nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>>     want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
>>     own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
>>     say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
>>     with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
>>     pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>>     extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
>>     there
>>     good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
>>     being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
>>     windows
>>     user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
>>     again.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> www.nvaccess.org
>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>







Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Does uncheckie just run in the backround?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Hi, next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
sort of thing from happening. I have found it invaluable.

On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the
option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no
accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it
wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't
seem to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA
can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using
the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to
make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install
chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I
played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and
others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just
rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just
looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA
and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know
what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more
problems than they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it
does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it
is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver,
though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I
usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your
processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything
happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on
the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular
browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes
with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do
support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a
full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> <coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> www.nvaccess.org
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: NVDA not announcing bullets when added

Quentin Christensen
 

What kind of bullets are you using?  If I type * something on a new line, it turns the asterisk into a "bullet" and that gets announced by NVDA at all punctuation levels except "none".

If you use a - to start your list items then you need puncutation level set to "most" or "all" for it to be read (NVDA+P to cycle through the options).

Make sure you have "lists" checked in the document formatting dialog (NVDA+CONTROL+D then press l until you get to "lists").

It announces bullets as you move through list items, and when you press enter to add a new bullet point.  The only time it doesn't announce the list bullet for me is if I navigate around a document and I have a lonely bullet on its own at the end of a list.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I was trying to teach adding of bullets on the fly and NVDA will not

Speak that there is  a bullet.

I have tried with most and all punctuation selected and the result is the same.  I also looked under “document formatting” and could find anything that would make this type of symbol be announced.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so can it be changed?

Thanks for your help.

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FW: [win10] Advisory: NVDA and Edge, audio ducking, issue of typed characters not announcing

 

Hi,

For Windows 10 users: hope you find the below info helpful.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:05 PM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] Advisory: NVDA and Edge, audio ducking, issue of typed characters not announcing #NVDASR #WinTenCreatorsUpdate

 

Hi NVDA users,

 

The following advisory is based on NVDA 2017.1 and latest Creators Update Insider Preview build (15031):

 

NVDA is compatible with Windows 10 Creators Update, scheduled for spring 2017 (fall for southern hemisphere). The following bugs were addressed as of latest development build or will roll out as part of NVDA 2017.1:

 

  • Typed characters: in current Windows 10 builds, when you type characters in universal apps (including Edge, Skype Preview and what not), you won’t hear characters you typed. This is fixed in Creators Update and NVDA’s fix is included in 2017.1.
  • NV Access laid the foundation to support picture in picture (also known as compact overlay) mode introduced in build 15031.

 

The following are issues that may impact certain NVDA features due to changes in Creators Update:

 

  • Audio ducking: due to changes made in Creators Update, you will not be able to use “always duck” option, nor there will be some pause between when NVDA finishes speaking and audio volume returns to normal. The other audio ducking options (duck when speaking and no ducking) are still available.
  • Due to changes in Microsoft Edge, you may occasionally hear “web content” as you use Edge with NVDA. Don’t worry about this.
  • NVDA does not support reading Epub books in Edge at this time. You can read PDF files with Edge via browse mode, however.

 

Note that these are updated advisories from an NVDA contributor based on latest release candidate information. These advisories may change as Creators Update release approaches (an updated briefing will be sent tonight regarding what’s new in Creators Update). This forum and subgroups (except for Insiders subgroup) will not switch to Creators Update era until the official release ID is confirmed.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

Also, your information about updates is not correct.  The most recent change log says this
v1.0.2 (January 29, 2017
 
I don't know if ownership of the program changed at some point.  But your information appears to be incorrect as to the recentness of updates and you appear to be implying that the program doesn't have recent definitions of unwanted programs. 
 
Whether definitions are current enough or not, your information isn't, at least without more support, good enough to draw such conclusions.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

If you open it from the system tray, it is accessible or accessible enough to use.  If you open it from someplace like the desktop or program menu, it appears not to be accessible in that way.  I almost never look at the program.  I installed it and if I ever get a warning, I respond to it. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Unchecky does not detect everything and its not been updated in ages, it
became part of something else something called reason core something but
I am unsure about access.



On 16/02/2017 10:47 a.m., Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,   next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
> sort of thing from happening.   I have found it invaluable.
>
> On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@... wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
>> using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
>> install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
>> to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
>> way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
>> get the following additional software
>>
>> avast antivirus
>>
>> bite fence antimalware
>>
>> chromium
>>
>> advanced pc care
>>
>> stack player
>>
>> and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
>> browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
>> to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't
>> seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps
>> lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
>> Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
>> software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
>> to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
>> that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
>> and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
>> around with it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>> Hi Kendell,
>>>
>>> Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!
>>>
>>> CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and
>>> others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip
>>> to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking
>>> at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
>>> formats.
>>>
>>> I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
>>> afraid.
>>>
>>> I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
>>> they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
>>> they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
>>> lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double
>>> checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
>>> for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
>>> manufacturer's website.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your
>>> processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
>>> seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything
>>> happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on
>>> the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
>>> it's evidently not overly common.
>>>
>>> Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
>>> fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular
>>> browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
>>> keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
>>> one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes
>>> with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do
>>> support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
>>> with one of the others for the most part.
>>>
>>> If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
>>> Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
>>> standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a
>>> full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/
>>>
>>> If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
>>> available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/
>>>
>>> I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
>>> all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
>>> anything else you need help or a recommendation on.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
>>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
>>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hi all
>>>
>>>     I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>>>     specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are
>>> many
>>>     reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
>>>     list,
>>>     but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much
>>> less
>>>     prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>>>     speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>>>     point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
>>>     software
>>>     to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
>>>     a list.
>>>
>>>     A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd
>>> databases, and
>>>     if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>>>     since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it
>>> could
>>>     rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
>>>     care for
>>>     mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for
>>> everything.
>>>     Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>>>     possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the
>>> video
>>>     and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>>>     manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
>>>     m4b, etc
>>>     files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
>>>     factory
>>>     and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
>>>     opus so I
>>>     may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>>>     software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>>>     last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
>>>     like to start, assuming
>>>     spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
>>>     software.
>>>     I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
>>>     accessible.
>>>     I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and
>>> such.
>>>     Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>>>     torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
>>>     vinux and
>>>     fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>>>     these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent
>>> bugcheck
>>>     screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>>>     driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>>>     Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>>>     nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>>>     want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of
>>> doing my
>>>     own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites
>>> that
>>>     say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but
>>> comes
>>>     with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want
>>> you to
>>>     pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>>>     extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
>>>     there
>>>     good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows
>>> after
>>>     being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
>>>     windows
>>>     user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
>>>     again.
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>     Kendell Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training Material Developer
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



NVDA not announcing bullets when added

Dan Thompson
 

Hi all,

I was trying to teach adding of bullets on the fly and NVDA will not

Speak that there is  a bullet.

I have tried with most and all punctuation selected and the result is the same.  I also looked under “document formatting” and could find anything that would make this type of symbol be announced.

Does anyone else have this issue and if so can it be changed?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

If you open it from the system tray, it is accessible or accessible enough to use.  If you open it from someplace like the desktop or program menu, it appears not to be accessible in that way.  I almost never look at the program.  I installed it and if I ever get a warning, I respond to it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Unchecky does not detect everything and its not been updated in ages, it
became part of something else something called reason core something but
I am unsure about access.



On 16/02/2017 10:47 a.m., Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi,   next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
> sort of thing from happening.   I have found it invaluable.
>
> On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@... wrote:
>> hi
>>
>> Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
>> using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
>> install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
>> to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
>> way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
>> get the following additional software
>>
>> avast antivirus
>>
>> bite fence antimalware
>>
>> chromium
>>
>> advanced pc care
>>
>> stack player
>>
>> and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
>> browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
>> to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't
>> seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps
>> lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
>> Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
>> software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
>> to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
>> that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
>> and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
>> around with it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>>> Hi Kendell,
>>>
>>> Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!
>>>
>>> CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and
>>> others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip
>>> to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking
>>> at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
>>> formats.
>>>
>>> I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
>>> afraid.
>>>
>>> I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
>>> they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
>>> they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
>>> lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double
>>> checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
>>> for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
>>> manufacturer's website.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your
>>> processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
>>> seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything
>>> happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on
>>> the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
>>> it's evidently not overly common.
>>>
>>> Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
>>> fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular
>>> browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
>>> keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
>>> one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes
>>> with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do
>>> support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
>>> with one of the others for the most part.
>>>
>>> If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
>>> Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
>>> standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a
>>> full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/
>>>
>>> If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
>>> available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/
>>>
>>> I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
>>> all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
>>> anything else you need help or a recommendation on.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
>>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
>>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     hi all
>>>
>>>     I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>>>     specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are
>>> many
>>>     reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
>>>     list,
>>>     but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much
>>> less
>>>     prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>>>     speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>>>     point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
>>>     software
>>>     to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
>>>     a list.
>>>
>>>     A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd
>>> databases, and
>>>     if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>>>     since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it
>>> could
>>>     rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
>>>     care for
>>>     mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for
>>> everything.
>>>     Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>>>     possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the
>>> video
>>>     and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>>>     manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
>>>     m4b, etc
>>>     files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
>>>     factory
>>>     and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
>>>     opus so I
>>>     may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>>>     software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>>>     last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
>>>     like to start, assuming
>>>     spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
>>>     software.
>>>     I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
>>>     accessible.
>>>     I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and
>>> such.
>>>     Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>>>     torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
>>>     vinux and
>>>     fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>>>     these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent
>>> bugcheck
>>>     screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>>>     driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>>>     Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>>>     nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>>>     want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of
>>> doing my
>>>     own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites
>>> that
>>>     say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but
>>> comes
>>>     with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want
>>> you to
>>>     pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>>>     extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
>>>     there
>>>     good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows
>>> after
>>>     being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
>>>     windows
>>>     user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
>>>     again.
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>     Kendell Clark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training Material Developer
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

You might want to try it to make sure nothing happens.  but a knowledgeable person on another list says it doesn't download anything.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene, I hadn't looked at the portable version, so that's good news to know when someone asks me next time what I'd recommend for a good ripper/file converter that still receives updates, even if infrequent.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

The program didn't used to include unwanted programs.  I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered.  To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language.  The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly.  But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers.  I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered.  The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.   
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Kevin Cussick
 

it still works fine.

On 15/02/2017 22:06, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Unchecky does not detect everything and its not been updated in ages, it
became part of something else something called reason core something but
I am unsure about access.



On 16/02/2017 10:47 a.m., Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
sort of thing from happening. I have found it invaluable.

On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA can't
seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using the caps
lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and
others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just rip
to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just looking
at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it is worth double
checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your
processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything
happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on
the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular
browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes
with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do
support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a
full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> <coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are
many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much
less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys
could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd
databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook
cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it
could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for
everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire
playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the
video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and
such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent
bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a
free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I
don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of
doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites
that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but
comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want
you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often
install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows
after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess



Re: problem reading mail

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Gary,

I must admit I haven't been using the mail app much.  I just had a look and found a couple of times it opened the message and I had to press NVDA+down arrow to read, but most time (even on the same messages), it read fine.

Would love to get some more info if anyone else is experiencing this (or not) and particularly if anyone can better pin down exactly when it does and doesn't read automatically?

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 6:13 AM, Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...> wrote:
Hi All,
 
I just updated to nvda 2017.rc1.  I am using wlm as my mail client.  It used to be when I open a message I would hit the up arrow key and nvda would start reading the message.  Now, I have to hit the key for it to read the message.  Also I hear the word pane is this the way it will be?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox




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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Bard Express with NVDA2017.1 RC?

Quentin Christensen
 

As Andre mentioned, there won't be any change to NVDA's features prior to 2017.1 now.  The reason for this is that when something is fixed, or changed, or added, it goes into testing where it is available to users who choose to test features first.  Once it has been available in that environment for a couple of weeks and no major problems have been found, then it gets considered for inclusion into the next stable version of NVDA.  We would hate to roll out a new version with some brand new, untested features, only to find that they cause major problems for a (possibly unrelated) group of users.

What I would recommend, is to create an issue on our issue tracker: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues  That way you will be notified of any investigations into the problem as well as if and when a solution is developed.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:
For anyone using Bard Express with NVDA 2017.1 rc, are the lists still truncated? in case the NVDA devs can fix this annoyance before the final NVDA2017.1 release that is.


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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA concerns

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Joanne,

Welcome!

NVDA does work with Microsoft Office, including the most recent Office 2016 / 365, and the latest update (the release candidate is available now and the final version is due out next week) includes some more fixes and updates for Microsoft Office, particularly Word and Excel this time.

Regarding voices, while NVDA comes with eSpeak, it is worth trying the "Microsoft Speech API Version 5" voices which come with Windows (particularly Windows 7 or later) as they are often suitable. Press NVDA+CONTROL+S to open the synthesizer dialog to change synthesizers (The NVDA key is usually Insert unless you set it to caps lock when you setup NVDA). Eloquence is available for NVDA if you like that synthesizer.  See: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices for more information on the various voices.

To get your Braille Edge 40 setup with NVDA, you need the USB drivers from HIMS, and then to go into NVDA's Braille preferences to tell it to use the device.  See the User Guide for a bit more info (and links to the HIMS drivers): https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc110

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:58 AM, Joanne Michelle Stark <Suzannegirl25@...> wrote:
Good morning. I just wanted to introduce myself. I am a college student, going to school for a degree in early childhood education.
This semester, I have a couple of powerpoint presentations to deal with, and was just wondering how well the latest version of NVDA works with Microsoft Word, excel and Powerpoint, and with what versions of these products is NVDA compatible? While I primarily use pages and other Apple word processing applications, I'd like to gain experience working with powerpoint on windows, as I feel it is good to have a backup in case things go pear-shaped or in case VoiceOver does not cooperate with certain applications. also, it's good to have a backup tool to accomplish the same tasks as a way of dealing with frustration.  So, for those reasons as well as the fact I needed a gaming laptop, I'm willing to learn how to fully utilize NVDA on a windows machine. The new laptop will be here this upcoming week, and I'm trying to be as proactive as possible regarding getting things together. Oh, and also would like to get my hands on the Japanese to English translation add-on for NVDA, and the latest version of BK3.
Does the eloquence add-on work with NVDA, too? E-Speak makes my head hurt.
One more thing: What steps do I need to follow to get my Braille Edge 40 display to work with NVDA?
Thank you for reading, and hope to meet you guys off-list soon. Feel free to follow me on social media:
Twitter: JoanneStark6
Facebook: feel free to use this email address to search for me. Suzannegirl25@...
Please let me know who you are when sending friend requests, or email me off-list should you wish to follow me on twitter, as my twitter account is protected to minimize spam.
Have a great day.




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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

 

Unchecky does not detect everything and its not been updated in ages, it became part of something else something called reason core something but I am unsure about access.

On 16/02/2017 10:47 a.m., Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, next time download unchecky it is a little program that stops this
sort of thing from happening. I have found it invaluable.

On 15/02/2017 04:51, coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA can't
seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using the caps
lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and
others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just rip
to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just looking
at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it is worth double
checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your
processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything
happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on
the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular
browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes
with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do
support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a
full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com> <coffeekingms@hotmail.com
<mailto:coffeekingms@hotmail.com>> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are
many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much
less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd
databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it
could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for
everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the
video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and
such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent
bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of
doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites
that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but
comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want
you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows
after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Sections in Word, was: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.1 RC1

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

When you have multiple sections in a Word document, you can set up each section differently.  So you can have one section which is landscape while the rest are portrait (maybe to show a wide table), you can have different numbering - think a book which isn't numbered for the title page and copyright, but has a preface with roman numeral numbering then regular chapters that are numbered normally.  You can have different headers and footers - again for chapters in a book, each chapter might have the chapter title in the header.

So sections are more useful for longer documents.

Text columns are also now reported, for documents with multiple columns (such as a newsletter).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:50 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I noticed the section in word, but the next question has to be, what is the significance of sections. Most files I seem to get have one section containing everything!
Brian

bglists@...
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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.1 RC1


Hi Dennis,


Sorry I was a bit slow with the e-mail going out today!  Highlights of this
release include reporting of sections and text columns in Microsoft Word;
Support for reading, navigating and annotating books in Kindle for PC; and
improved support for Microsoft Edge.


https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-1rc1-released/

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Awesome!  What is new for this version?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of "*
Wagner Soares Da Silva *
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.1 RC1

Hello, the NVDA 2017.1 release Candidate is now available.

Direct link:

http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.1rc1/nvda_2017.1rc1.exe

Grande Abraço, Wagner.

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Ph +61 7 3149 3306
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