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Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

Ron Canazzi
 

As a free anti virus product, I wonder if it is real time or not. Only Avast is free and real time.

On 4/4/2016 10:46 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I don't know how Sophos Home performed in reviews, but if it's made by a company that specializes in enterprise-grade antivirus, I bet the home version will be just as good as the enterprise one, in terms of virus detection.
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Re: Feature Request: Braille Display Moves Carret

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Ditto.

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob [mailto:captinlogic@...]
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:04 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Feature Request: Braille Display Moves Carret

It would be a useful toggle switch to have braille navigation move the
system focus/carret. This would be especially useful, for example, when
reading books or other documents strictly with your display. That way, when
you leave the document, your carret is where you left it, just as though you
used your arrow keys to navigate.

Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

 

I don't know how Sophos Home performed in reviews, but if it's made by a company that specializes in enterprise-grade antivirus, I bet the home version will be just as good as the enterprise one, in terms of virus detection.

Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

Alexander Masic
 

Avira, got very good reputation from experts, and it's not 100%, but fairly accessible.


Den 2016-04-05 kl. 03:42, skrev Arianna Sepulveda:

How does Sophos Home do in independent reviews? AVG used to be all right, but now it's absolutely awful!


Thanks,
Ari

On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Give Sophos Home a try. Though I didn't use it myself, a test run using a Windows 7 X64 VMware virtual machine proved it to be accessible with NVDA.

Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

Arianna Sepulveda
 

How does Sophos Home do in independent reviews? AVG used to be all right, but now it's absolutely awful!


Thanks,
Ari

On Apr 4, 2016, at 6:08 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Give Sophos Home a try. Though I didn't use it myself, a test run using a Windows 7 X64 VMware virtual machine proved it to be accessible with NVDA.

Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

 

Give Sophos Home a try. Though I didn't use it myself, a test run using a Windows 7 X64 VMware virtual machine proved it to be accessible with NVDA.

Re: Open office and libreoffice in terms of accessability

Ali Colak
 

Thanks a lot, Rosemarie. Jazak allahu khayra, Sr. nasrin .

On 4/4/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
i tested both libreoffice and open office and read many online
materials and documentations about them.
it depend on your need that which one you select.
but i mentione for you sometechnical points that i know andare
prominent for me.
1/ libreoffice is fortunately more independent and less need for java.
but open office is more relies on java.
for example: libreoffice only needs java for macros, data base etc.
but open office needs java for macros, data base, saving to xml and
some vizard like letter, fax, agenda and web page.
libreoffice saves inboth microsoft office 2003 and new office formats
like: doc, ppt, docx, pptx etc.
but open office only saves in microsoft office 2003 formats.
2/ libreoffice supports word count and character count in all of the
format which support in its version before version 5.
but in version 5.0 and later, it only supports word and character
count only for its special format which is .odt.
open office does not have this option.
and word-character format is special feature of libreoffice.
3/ both programs support many formats for openning and range of
libreoffice formats is more wide.
for example: libreoffice even supports many formats of mac for openning.
4/ libreoffice in version 4.3 shows its messages very accessible by
tab key and you can easily press tab and with using home to go to
first character and pressing control shift end, you can select it,
copy it and peist in other place.
but unfortunately the messages are not accessible easily in other
programs and you should nvda screen review and other nvda cursors to
access it.
5/ libreoffice has somecloud online services and open office does not
have.
for example: google drive, one drive, sharepoint, etc.
6/ libreoffice since version 4.4 has an option for openGL and open
office does not have.
its very strungly recommended to deactivate it, in libreoffice tools,
options, libreoffice, view.
7/ say all does not work in both libreoffice and open office and you
should read your documents paragraph by paragraph.
8/ somesaid that open office is more stable and libreoffice has more
features that open office has not.
9/ open office translated to limited languages and you can select and
install only your own language.
but libreoffice is translated to more than 110 languages and when you
install it, it recognizes your locale language in your windows.
it installs only english and your local language.
10/ libreoffice help file should be installed separately.
but open office help is installed by default.
11/ if you want more information, you have refer to this link for
example, and also email me.

http://www.howtogeek.com/187663/openoffice-vs.-libreoffice-whats-the-difference-and-which-should-you-use/

thanks for your question and god bless you.

On 4/4/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi,

I like the fact that you don't have to alt tab to get to the type of
things you want to use such as a spread sheet. I tried libre office but
didn't like it as well.


On 4/3/2016 9:34 PM, Ali Colak wrote:
I have recently installed both OpenOffice 4.1.2 and libreoffice 5.16
and began experimenting. They have bothe come a long way in terms of
accesability since april of 2014, which was the last time I tried tem.
But I would like to ask members of the group, which one they would
recommend in terms of accessability and why? I'm sure everyone will
have a different opinion, but I would like to hear them, specifically
where accessability is concerned. I have already discovered that the
word count in openoffice seems more accessable.

Eager to read your opinions
Ali






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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

P. Otter
 

what you say is correct, it's very cheap but the only problem with rumola is that it processes a capcha as soon it is availlable even if you need it or not. when you don't need it there is one capcha solution less.
it was nice if it was possible to press a shortcut if you need a capcha solution.
cheers paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


I know that about 5 bucks will give you 150 capchas a year its really cheap.



On 5/04/2016 12:59 a.m., Gene wrote:
How much does Rumola charge to solve one captcha? Is it less than a penny? And people are complaining about the company because it doesn't provide customer service? You get what you pay for.

Someone has just started a much much more expensive captcha solving service for blind people. We'll see how many people are willing to pay these much higher prices.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


No, Rumola never!
I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
told that I had already used them all up.
Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
project immediately.
As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.











Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

Dan Beaver
 

Hi Brian,

Actually I misspoke.  The laptop is getting a few viruses but mostly adware and malware type infections.  This is why I was looking at Kaspersky.  It looks like it handles what I expect my wife would run into.

I do not know what the particular infections  it has gotten are called because there have been so many of them over the past year or so.

Thanks.

Dan Beaver

On 4/4/2016 4:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dan,

            I ask the following not to be snarky, but to gain some clarity:  What is the computer getting infected with? or What has the computer been infected with?

            A great many infections are malware or spyware, not viruses, and these can and do get past many straight antivirus programs.  They should not get past full security suites, except if very new and you're one of the very first people infected before the signatures have been added to the scanning databases for things other than viruses.

Brian


Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Well there are logic number capchas I have seen those.
A lot of sites use 2 step authentication, a random number is smsed to your location and you need another device to get that number and use that and you have a password etc.
It can be done in gmail, but the main reason I don't is that for it to work, not only do you need to have a masterpassword but make internal passwords for each device, application, account, computer and flash drive.
Its not practical for me to bother with that.
I have 3 systems and tablets and some of these have 2 mail programs for different things.
we have 3 accounts, we use drive, earth, maps and a few other things, play, youtube, etc, etc, doesn't work rather take my chances with a virus!
Its true google have apps for some of this stuff but even so that leaves the pc and all the services.
The only time it actually works is with something like an identity system.
Here the government wants you to be as indipendant s you can.
So everything that can be done online is done online including you telling them where you are at all times so they don't or do have an excuse to cut off your benifits for no reason.
I have used such systems painlessly and in a good place its really good.
I don't see myself using 2 step for things that I have to log in all the time, ie facebook, dropbox, gmail, or twitter though because it would require me to do crazy things.
As it is some sites you need to authorise a program with a code anyway.

On 5/04/2016 4:54 a.m., Gene wrote:
Then that 2would open an avenue of abuse for spammers, developing some way to fool sites into thinking a screen-reader is being used. Just exactly what we don't need, having blind people become known for compromising site security and having screen-readers become associated by site administrators as the enemy. The point is not to give easy access like this for blind users. A lot of sighted people who don't use screen-readers have a lot of problems solving captchas. If proof of a person is needed, some other system than solving a visual image should be developed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 11:38 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Of course nody should have to solve them if the site was made properly
accessible after all they seem to be able to find all we do on line, finding
out if a screenreader is in use should be pretty easy..
I'm a purist and feel cap chars are a lazy way to detect human ness anyway.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


How much does Rumola charge to solve one captcha? Is it less than a penny?
And people are complaining about the company because it doesn't provide
customer service? You get what you pay for.

Someone has just started a much much more expensive captcha solving service
for blind people. We'll see how many people are willing to pay these much
higher prices.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


No, Rumola never!
I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
told that I had already used them all up.
Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
project immediately.
As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.














Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Sadly for ages a lot of comercial software like screenreaders are sold to those that previde us computers, instatutions organisations, etc, the price of comercial software for us is like buying a small car.
And while others have managed to get round this either with software they got ages ago and not updating often to well simply cracking it and taking the malware as it comes.
At least with braille companies are trying to get cheaper.
And if you use ms office if you know where to go you can get free screenreader for windows and office stripped down but even still.
I started with braille but switched to qwerty and I wouldn't switch back to braille as qwerty is much faster to type with.



On 5/04/2016 4:10 a.m., Gene wrote:
If you want to be a prisoner of a rigid and arbitrary ideology, that's up to you. Sighted people don't need Braille, so the comparison is meaningless. To be logical, you need Braille because you can't read print because your eyes don't work as they should, if they work at all. That is as much an expense incurred by blindness as Rumolla is. Also, to be consistent, you should never, ever, buy any app that does anything in a way tailored to a blind person's needs such as an app that provides travel information and directions in ways sighted people wouldn't use. Perhaps you do this and perhaps you don't. But as I said, your view is arbitrary and inconsistent.And many sighted people with vision that isn't as good as it should be have considerable difficulty filling out captchas or can't do it so many people other than blindpeople may use and pay for, this service. It's up to you if you want to refuse to pay a few U.S. dollars for something that would benefit you. In some magic
dream kingdom, you might find the policies you advocate implemented. Not in the real world.

Also, I am in The united States. There is a different Gene who signs his messages Gene from New Zealand.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 8:36 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Gene,

Sorry dear, but I'm not ready to pay for something I should be entitled
to have for free, like anyone else.

I'm ready to pay thousnds of dollars for a good braille display, or even
for a good substitute of the Optacon, because those are devices that are
specific for us.
But I'm not ready to pay for something that sighted people have for
free, just because my eyes don't function as they should.

Ok, you are in New Zealand and I'm in Italy... We're at the antipode
georaphically, and it's quite normal that we should have opposite world
views... lol
Ciao,
Ollie - who will never pay for Rumola service




Il 04/04/2016 14:59, Gene ha scritto:
How much does Rumola charge to solve one captcha? Is it less than a
penny? And people are complaining about the company because it
doesn't provide customer service? You get what you pay for.
Someone has just started a much much more expensive captcha solving
service for blind people. We'll see how many people are willing to
pay these much higher prices.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Kwork <mailto:istherelife@...>
*Sent:* Monday, April 04, 2016 7:46 AM
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@... <mailto:mallard@...>>
To: <nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


No, Rumola never!
I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
told that I had already used them all up.
Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
project immediately.
As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...
<mailto:nimerjaber1@...>>
wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000
<mailto:@supanut2000>> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.














Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

I know that about 5 bucks will give you 150 capchas a year its really cheap.

On 5/04/2016 12:59 a.m., Gene wrote:
How much does Rumola charge to solve one captcha? Is it less than a penny? And people are complaining about the company because it doesn't provide customer service? You get what you pay for.

Someone has just started a much much more expensive captcha solving service for blind people. We'll see how many people are willing to pay these much higher prices.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kwork
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 7:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


No, Rumola never!
I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
told that I had already used them all up.
Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
project immediately.
As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.











Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

Well how many capchas do we need to solve daily?
The only time I usually have to do this is when I register for a service, login to something or forget password or need to put a key into something else.
And I hardly have to handle that.
I had no idea it was payed software would have got it ages ago if I knew.



On 5/04/2016 12:48 a.m., Gene wrote:
One reason Web Visum stopped being developed is because of a lack of interest in the blind community. If blind people had expressed more interest, I would think by contributing or getting the paid version, I don't know if it mattered which, the developers might have continued to update the program.

Firefox changed a security aspect. It isn't the responsibility of the firefox developers to choose one add on and say, blind people need access to this one add on. We will sign it ourselves or change something to allow it to work.

I agree with you about the lack of concern for accessibility in open source programs and that is one reason I have not been a member of the open source glorification movement. Both open source and for profit software has its place. and for profit software developers are more able to be pressured and persuaded to put resources into accessibility since a lack of accessibility threatens their profits in some cases. It's nice to have free and open source software. But the attitude that for profit software and companies are, in some way evil is ideology and doesn't follow basic laws of human nature. People get pleasure and enjoyment from doing things for altruistic reasons. But the profit motive is a strong motivator and, though it may have bad consequences when uncontroled, is important and is not evil. I'd be interested to know how many in the open source is good profit companies are evil branch of the open source movement would give up their jobs and do their day jobs for fre
e or only for contributions that allow them to live on a subsistence level.
Gene


From: Mallard
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:48 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance degradation in current Firefox


Yes, me too. I'm using FF 45, and I hate the fact that Mozilla will
discriminate us completely after version 46.

I'm erally fed up with these so-called "Open source software guys" who
take everything into account except accessibility.

NVDA is, of course, the great exception - because it was born to make
desktops accessible in the first place.

But, if you look at open source software in general, you'll see that
quite a lot of it is either totally or partially inaccessible.

I say this with a bleeding heart, because I'm a great fan of Open
Source, and use it as much as I can.
It's a pity that we always have to fight for years before someone starts
considering accessibility.
Look at Calibre, for instance.
It was totally inaccessible until one fine day they updated qt, and it
suddenly became partially accessible.
Not for their choosing to do so, but quite by chance...

And Sumatra Pdf...
It reads so many formats, but we can't use it...

How long did it take for OpenOffice and LibreOffice to become usable?

Sad...

What actually happens is that we either have to sacrifice security, or
pay for something others don't pay for - like those captcha solving
services, that make you pay to get something everybody else gets just by
looking at the captchas...
And we have Webvisum, which was never loved by companies, apparently,
and here comes Mozilla and says that it won't be usable as of their next FF.

Why should it always be us that have to hunt for a workaround?
And they ask for donations, too... Never again!
Ciao,
A very angry and frustrated Ollie




Il 03/04/2016 22:54, mk360 ha scritto:
I'm using Firefox 45 with webvisum using this configuration, so
Webvisum works. If you read the post that I pasted in my mail you will
notice that the config will not work after FF 46 (official info from
mocilla).

Regards,
mk.

El 03/04/2016 a las 17:47, David Moore escribió:
You can do absolutely nothing to get web visum to work after Firefox
43. That trick only works for version 43. After that, there is
nothing at all one can do to get web visum to work in Firefox. Web
Visum is gone, so we need to figure out something else Lol!


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

is ther any one who has the values to repair the webvisum problems i
don't
have it also anymore.
thanks inadvance.

----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Webvisum works in the latest firefox, you need to change some things
on about:config... I don't have the values now, but someone posted
the instructions on this (or in freelist) list,.


El 02/04/2016 a las 20:32, David Moore escribió:
You know, I had that same problem. Ramola solved captschas I never
wanted to be solved and took my money. Thanks for reminding of
that. I knew there was some reason why I do not like Ramola! I do
not want to keep disconnecting it and connecting it all the time
either. Is there any other captscha solving service? Wev vism does
not work anymore in the later versions of Firefox. Take care.


-----Original Message----- From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 5:22 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

yes, that's true, what you say.
but on the other hand, when i browse to a site, where is a capcha
available,
the capcha wil be processed byy rumola, even if you don't need it
at that
moment.
i think that is a problem, if i don't can disable it until i need it.
or is that possible?
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Moore"
<jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2016 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve
150 captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been
addressed, and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it
has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber
<nimerjaber1@...> wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is
set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the
browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary
settings page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a
couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to
go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox.
Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going
to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page
loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page.
When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only
works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read
it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't
work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally
inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would
mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been
able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific
set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior
seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to
Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that
has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since
early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort
this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary
browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in
current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go
onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with
Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.






















Re: Problem: No sounds when copying files etc.

 

You may have enhancement software for the sound.
1. if you are lucky you probably have a audio enhancer, if you disabled this on toshiba within sounds/ toshiba audio enhancer and on sound/ effects you can turn that off.
You may however have something called srs audio and yeah its for music not speech.
I have not tried killing this app and then either roling the card back to the standard ms drivers or if it is realtech, installing a generic one from the realtech site as I didn't want to mess it up.
Mine is an entry business unit and has the enhancer I also was able to remove and update the drivers from realtech a while ago.

On 5/04/2016 5:12 a.m., Ksenia Natapova via Groups.io wrote:
Hello,
I mean the beeps of the progress bar.
The operating system is Win10 and I have no sound device but the internal speaker of my laptop.

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.04.2016 um 18:40 schrieb Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>:

What do you mean by no sounds exactly.

What version of windows is it
also do you perhaps have more then one sound device plugged in, such as the internal sound and some usb headphones?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ksenia Natapova via Groups.io" <ksenia.natapova=yahoo.de@groups.io>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 1:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Problem: No sounds when copying files etc.


Hello,
I have NVDA installed on my laptop. I don'g hear any sound when I copy and paste a file or install a program...
I even tried to reset the NVDA settings but I still can't hear any tone. Is there any way to turn on this option?
Best regards
Ksenia







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Re: enhancing microsoft word:

Afrim <afrim.maja@...>
 

As far as I can see, neither libra office, nor open office can come close to word. I think I like more libra office though.

On 4/4/2016 10:42 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Open office is a open source office program that has a built-in word processor, spreadsheet program, and presentation program. All these programs can open microsoft office files created in microsoft office.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

On 4/3/2016 1:54 PM, Afrim wrote:
Open office? No. What is this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:

Hi have you tried open office? It is a lot faster, and I opened a 200 page book with writer and it works really great.
Kenny Peyatt jr.



Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

 

what is the best capcha solution now.
webvisum is ok but you have to lower security and rumola was good but its to sensitive for some.

On 5/04/2016 12:46 a.m., Kwork wrote:
Diddo! And for their lack of customer service, I also hope the Rumola
service starves to death. Completely with you on this one.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox


No, Rumola never!
I tried it, and they "ate up" my free captchas without me even start the
programme... As soon as I tried to solve a captcha in the trial, I was
told that I had already used them all up.
Which made me understand that they are not serious, so I abandoned the
project immediately.
As fara sI'm concerned, they can starve to the end of eternity!
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 22:24, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi,
You have to use Ramola captscha add on. You pay 95 cents to solve 150
captschas and so on. Have a great one.


-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 8:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda] Performance
degradation in current Firefox

Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
Hello,

I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.

On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
improvements went in!
On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.


On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Nimer

Just a few questions:

Can I establish if you are using Chrome or Canary?
Canary

What is ChromeVox?
Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.

What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
load’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked.

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
changes’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Checked

What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
movement’ in the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
Unchecked


I have Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser

The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings
page.

The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.

Cheers

Chris

*From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
*Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
*To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
Performance degradation in current Firefox

Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
that Google outlines in their manual at
https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
<http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
not sure if that will help or not.

Thanks.

On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:

Hey.
I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i
believe.
It is pretty good for the most part.
hth

Scott

On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
to date and I have been having this problem since early
December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
for nearly 9 and a half years.

*From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>

*Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM

*To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
Firefox

I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.

El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
escribió:

I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
google and search for about:config that can help
improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.

Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:

One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
with modern web apps.

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:

I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
well, especially on Facebook where the
browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
any addons installed.











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Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

 

Try sophos home. It's good, and for the most part, is very accessible
and quiet. You can get it here. It's free fro home use. You can put it
on up to ten machines.

https://www.sophos.com/en-us/lp/sophos-home.aspx

On 4/4/2016 6:03 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
its a pitty kaspersky is not accessible at all.



On 5/04/2016 9:00 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
It is a great program, but largely inaccessible.


On 4/4/2016 4:53 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I am starting to be concerned that AVG is not handling lots of virus
hits since my wife's laptop keeps getting infected.

How accessible is Kaspersky with NVDA? It seems to get very good
reviews as far as an antivirus tool.

thanks.

Dan Beaver




Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

 

its a pitty kaspersky is not accessible at all.

On 5/04/2016 9:00 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
It is a great program, but largely inaccessible.


On 4/4/2016 4:53 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I am starting to be concerned that AVG is not handling lots of virus
hits since my wife's laptop keeps getting infected.

How accessible is Kaspersky with NVDA? It seems to get very good
reviews as far as an antivirus tool.

thanks.

Dan Beaver



Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

 

The issue about avg, is that it reports false alarms to often.
It was one reason I quit using it.
Accessibility dropped off after 8.0.
The best version being version 6 or 7.
Also while 9 did fix access some what I found the hard drive churning away with some directories for volts and a few other things being made at the top of the treeview and the system was always running something.
Worse, while most programs got through if it was just a double extention or even something it didn't know about it told me I had a trogen or worm, put a name on it, said it was a dangerous file or program but then said it was unknown but was still dangerous even if I knew it was fine.
It could be a linux text file I had created or a program I had compiled myself.
Then it started including its own tuneup suite which sadly has become tuneup utilities fron uniblue which is in the opencandy spyware junk now.
It also installs its own search, toolbars and other malware itself.
Msse on the other hand is still attractive interface wize it also has no added software.
If I could get something that does not shout warnings at me unless it needs to and actually makes sence, has an interface thats good and not going to be bad, has an ok cost and doesn't include malware or extra junk then fine.
I don't mind if it includes adds and such for things that are good but nothing else.

On 5/04/2016 9:00 a.m., Ron Canazzi wrote:
It is a great program, but largely inaccessible.


On 4/4/2016 4:53 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I am starting to be concerned that AVG is not handling lots of virus
hits since my wife's laptop keeps getting infected.

How accessible is Kaspersky with NVDA? It seems to get very good
reviews as far as an antivirus tool.

thanks.

Dan Beaver



Re: Kaspersky antivirus, how accessible?

Ron Canazzi
 

It is a great program, but largely inaccessible.

On 4/4/2016 4:53 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Hi,

I am starting to be concerned that AVG is not handling lots of virus hits since my wife's laptop keeps getting infected.

How accessible is Kaspersky with NVDA? It seems to get very good reviews as far as an antivirus tool.

thanks.

Dan Beaver


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