----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Avast is more or less usable with Jaws, not NVDA.

Best.

Angela from Italy




Il 20/09/2016 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io ha scritto:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io" <kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Walmir Schultz via Groups.io" <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Antivirus

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:52 AM
Subject: [nvda] panning progress bars?

Hi all. How do people feel about, along with pitch based progress bars, an
option to make them pan from left, 0, to right, 100? Any ideas?
Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands

how do you modify windows to be menu based?



On 19/09/2016 9:39 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:

I did modify my windows 10 to use normal menu systems though. It is much
better that way, although there are some things managed differently like
making all folders the same etc, that no longer do this in menus for
view any more.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Lambert" <rambeau68@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win10 file explorer list of keyboard commands


Hi,
Is there a list of keyboard commands for win10 file explorer? If not,
could someone knowledgeable on the list please explain the use of
ribbons on the file explorer. Info found on the web is very visual and
not helpful.
Need a little help here!
Very much appreciated.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paulius
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10 App Essentials

I fully agree with an audio tutoriel. I think tutoriels on text are not
so comfortable to read and understand what's covered their. So, in my
opinion, an audio tutoriel for that would be fine solution!
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris

2016-09-17 11:41 GMT+03:00, Brian's Mail list account
<bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>:

I am finding a combined approach to tutorials more useful than a
totally textual or totally audio one.
Some of the complex concepts are best explained with textual
examples, while just basic descriptions are better in text.
I'm not sure how one would marry up such a presentation though.
This universal apps approach seems a new thing to me. I would
suggest that

its another buzz phrase invented by Microsoft to try to get everyone
to work

in the same way, which is no bad thing, but people who write software
often

work how they want to causing some parts of their software to work
for us,

and others not to.
Also things may be universal this year, but companies do tend to
change the goalposts quite often as we know only too well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 5:53 AM
Subject: [nvda] Request for comments: an audio backstage tour of
Windows 10

App Essentials

Hi everyone,



As Windows 10 is being deployed around the world and universal apps
are becoming more prominent, I thought it would be best to produce an
audio overview of Windows 10 App Essentials add-on and to talk about
what it takes to write app modules for universal apps. So I'd like to
receive feedback on the following outline:



* Title: Dive into the world of Windows 10, UIA and universal
apps

* Description: an audio tutorial providing essential information
on
Windows 10, UI Automation (UIA) and what it takes to make universal
apps accessible and create app modules for them, using Windows 10 App
Essentials add-on as a blueprint.



Topics:

1. Windows 10 overview

2. What are universal apps and a brief overview of Universal
Windows
Platform

3. A crash course on UI Automation

4. Your first app module for a UWP app

5. Scenario 1: wrong labels for controls

6. Scenario 2: locating objects

7. Scenario 3: Events and custom routines

8. Tips and recommendations to make universal apps accessible



The tutorial assumes:

1. Windows 10 versions 1511 and 1607 (I'll briefly cover version
1507).

2. Knowledge of NVDA, especially NVDA 2016 series.

3. Familiarity with object navigation.

4. Experience with creating app modules and/or working with UIA
controls are recommended.



Objectives:

1. Be able to explain the following terms: Windows 10, universal
apps,
Universal Windows Platform, Windows Store, UI Automation, app module,
object navigation.

2. Learn to advocate for accessibility of universal apps.

3. Learn to navigate and use universal apps more effectively.

4. Learn to create app modules for universal apps (if desired).

5. Understand the impact of code changes and advocacy on
accessibility
of a platform.



I'm also willing to host an online-based strategy meeting in October
regarding the above topics.



Thanks. Comments are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive

To be honest lately I can go to say a blank folder or say open say word 2013 or 2016 and nvda will not anounce something till I tab round or alt tab out and in then it shows.
I am on a few units with issues its not done that as such on mine but one of the systems is my latest win10 workstation which does work and a 7 one which doesn't work that well.
Whenever I enter a folder it does not speak unless there is something its even doing that on my workstation so yeah I don't know why that does that.



On 20/09/2016 7:30 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my
music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I
used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle
bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie





.

----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify

I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
better, though still has some issues.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen and
running on the site. What browser or browsers are you using? I'm not sure
what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
information. Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
though I have the latest update.

On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
using
the computer application you install. It is reasonably accessible using
the
web site. If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that
is
reasonably accessible.

You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
good.

Gene


From: kelby carlson
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spotify


Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer

That sounds like a sensible idea. On the computer, have an app to maintain
something like a Bios.Ini file which refreshes the bios when you restart the
machine. No doubt there are many security implications but it could
possibly use existing screen reader technology to make it accessible.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: 20 September 2016 00:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer

The new Toshiba laptops have a more or less accessible program to set some
BIOS settings...
You must restart the laptop to changes take effect.

Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 19 de setembro de 2016 21:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



I've had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described
for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting

to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode
remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the
bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance
would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer





Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For
those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to

the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early
in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a
newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but

the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this
model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted
example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key
to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.



~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"

----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Spotify

Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?

----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows Explorer

In Windows 10, I'm having trouble doing a lot of things in Windows
explorer. Pressing the alt key doesn't bring up the ribbons to do
things like create a new folder. Is this an NVDA issue?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Mullins" <cjmullins29@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer


I’ve had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

On 9/20/2016 4:53 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io wrote:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive

Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer


Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

Gene,

            I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender have been "dissed."   Even without questioning the motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

            I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that "the best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from infection.  People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.   I have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best" antivirus and/or security suite programs.  Your best offense against infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading.  If whatever program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning, particularly of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the generic "you," not you, personally).

            If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows.  Having the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

    

I really don't get the resistance to either Microsoft Security Essentials or Windows Defender, depending on whether you're running Windows 7 or a later version of Windows, respectively.

Both are accessible and very serviceable antivirus/antimalware programs.  Both offer realtime scanning.  Both allow you to set up exclusions to scanning if a program you know to be legitimate is being picked up as part of their scans.

No antivirus program or security suite is able to protect you from all possible routes of infection.   If you've been interacting with cyberspace for years and aren't routinely getting items quarantined that indicates that your browsing/downloading habits, which are your best defense against infection, are good.   If you're getting frequent identification of infections you definitely need to analyze what you're doing (and most often this is something that comes from operator actions) that is causing this and cease and desist or eventually something will get past whatever you're using.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.