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Re: Antivirus

Alexander Masic
 

I have also see that many complain about the upgrade, however no one has present good argument for that. The mayor problem is that people are to laysy learning new thing.

 



Den 2016-09-21 kl. 08:30, skrev Gene:

Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7 on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind. 
 
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want to consider her options.  Consideration may produce a different conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be something the person wants to discuss as well. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
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Re: Antivirus

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

In the end we are all individuals andit does depend on how you use your connection as to whether a particular solution is a good choice. as I and others have said many times. Often when a new threat comes along there has to be some who get clobbered by it before companies can build in a defence. its a bit like an arms race.
However many scammers and crooks depend on the unwary and crafty disguising of phishing emails to get people to more or less infect themselves.
Nobody can be 100 percent sure their machine is completely clean, indeed where do you draw the line are tracking cookies malware, are the silly back doors Microsoft use to spy on you malware?

If you say yes, then perhaps you should not be using computers.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nimer Jaber" <nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hello,

I, unfortunately, cannot recommend Microsoft to protect from viruses.
Reviews have been middling at best, and I have seen users get issues when
running that.

Personally, I use Sophos Home. It is cloud-based, and works great. It also
has a good web filter. It allows a user to manage up to I believe ten PC's
for no cost. I trust them as they are know in the enterprise space for
delivering good security solutions.

I am considering enabling the wicki feature for our group. I think it would
be good to include some of the most common questions in an FAQ. This would
allow us to point users to that article instead of hashing out our views on
MSE or Windows Defender.

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 1:11 PM Brian's Mail list account <
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Yes indeed, most even old outlook Express has a tick box for not letting
you
access certain content. if you turn this off, you are going to have to be
more careful, and I am.
Its always a trade off between ease of use and safety. the best safety is
thinking of what you are going to do and taking a sensible decision.
Luckily
I have some clunker machines I can isolate from the network if I really
want
to go to some of the murkier corners of the web.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Gene,

I'm well aware of the many times that both Microsoft Security Essentials
and
Windows Defender have been "dissed." Even without questioning the
motivations you note yourself that they are "tolerable."

I'm quite tired of the perpetuation of the myth, and it is a myth, that
"the
best antivirus software" is what, ultimately, keeps you safe from
infection.
People who browse and download carelessly virtually always get infections.
I
have to clean them up as part of my living, so I see this up close and
personal all the time and a great many of those people have "the best"
antivirus and/or security suite programs. Your best offense against
infection is an excellent defense, which means paying attention to where
you're traveling in cyberspace and/or what you're downloading. If whatever
program you're using as antivirus doesn't do realtime scanning,
particularly
of e-mail messages if you're using an e-mail client program, before you can
even touch them then you need to be using one that does (and that's the
generic "you," not you, personally).

If accessibility is a concern there are few antivirus programs that are as
accessible in all respects as those that come built-in to Windows. Having
the ability to control what you need to control is a lot bigger on the
practical needs list than what is "the best" in some bench tester's opinion
if you ask me.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the
Universe"





Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

Are you stating a hypothetical situation or something you know to be the case?  Does she need a new computer?  If so, she may want to get a Windows 10 machine.  But you can get new computers that are not Windows 10 machines.  You can still buy Windows computers that are business machines that have Windows 7 on them.  And you can get refurbished machines from computers for the blind that have Windows 7 on them.  I don't know what Pauline's situation is.  She talked about upgrading to Windows 10.  that kind of phrase is usually used by someone who is considering upgrading an existing computer to Windows 10.  But I don't know what her situation is nor what she has in mind. 
 
I'm not advocating upgrading or not upgrading.  I'm simply saying that Microsoft has offered Windows 10 as a free upgrade and hyped Windows 10.  I've seen enough people who have upgraded and had mild or more serious regrets to simply say that the decision should be considered carefully.  In terms of purchasing a new machine, the person may want to consider her options.  Consideration may produce a different conclusion when purchasing a new machine but again, that may be something the person wants to discuss as well. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Antivirus

 

Well one thing all users still on 7 should be happy about especially if you install optionals, an update was released today from microsoft which removes gwx and at least 8 associated updates for win10.
Since updating today my performance has gone up and the hard drive seems to run quieter.
Even though I had stopped gwx from working microsoft is finally leaving us users alone.
In addition, even though they say that win7 is not the top of their game it has been recieving cumulitive updates as optional role ups.
As well as performance updates for dot net among others as well as system file checker fixes to work with that update.
My point is that while small win7 is still being enhanced.
My major bief around 10 was all the hype round and I was right.
Its a nice system to have but now most of the hype is gone we actually find that win10 is not the system that microsoft said it would be and in some cases its even worse.
Give me a desktop any day.

On 21/09/2016 2:02 p.m., Pauline Smith wrote:
This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to
Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer
use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically
to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very
good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender
locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to
Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed
with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot
configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help
from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?








.


Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Gene! Let’s just say Pauline Smith desperately needed a new computer! Her previous computer decides to bite the dust. Then if she did get a new one. It will be windows ten. She would probably would need Windows defender that is like MSE. Now, weather she’d want windows ten or wants to update. She and others who purchase a new computer will have windows ten installed. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-20-16 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

Do you have specific reasons for upgrading to Windows 10?  there are reasons to approach doing so with caution.  I won't go into an in depth discussion now because I don't know why you wanbt to upgrade.  Depending on your answer, I may have more comments. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender.  With this
information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon.  I think I will
get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
> Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
> Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> Hello Pauline:
>
> Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.
>
> Stanley
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus
>
> This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.
>
>
> Pauline
>
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>>
>>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>>
>>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>>
>>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Antivirus

Pauline Smith
 

Thank you all for letting me know about Windows Defender. With this information, I will consider updating to Win 10 soon. I think I will get the MS Accessibility line to help me do this.


Thanks, again for the Defender info.


Pauline

On 9/20/2016 10:52 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?














Re: Antivirus

Gene
 

It can't be more accessible.  everything in Windows Defender is accessible.  It may be as accessible but it can't be more. 
 
Just about any time I see a statement prefaced with "I heard" or a similar phrase, it's wrong or very misleading.  Experience has shown me that such comments are no more accurate than rumors.  I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time, but be very careful about sources you trust.  Comments that are casually passed around are very suspect.  Trust sources that have proven themselves repeatedly over time.  Be very suspicious of others. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7.  Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10.  I have no clue what antivirus will work.  You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.
>
> Cheers.
>
>> El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata@...> escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.
>>
>> Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.
>>
>> I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.
>>
>> What are your experiences in this matter?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, that's what I just said. windows defender does work for ten. From what I heard it's more accessible with ten then it is for 7. Yes it works just like MSE from what I heard.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stanley Haupt
Sent: September-20-16 7:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Stanley Haupt
 

Hello Pauline:

Windows Defender replaces Microsoft Security Essentials.

Stanley

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 10:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Arlene
 

Hi, if you end up with ten. You can use windows defender. It works like MSE

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pauline Smith
Sent: September-20-16 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?







Re: Antivirus

Roger Stewart
 

Yes you can, but they now call it Windows Defender. I'm using Win 10 and I'm running Defender. It has anti virus, anti spyware, and anti malware so it is a complete suite. Can't say just how good it is, but I've never been bitten! Knock on wood! ;-)

Roger

On 9/20/2016 9:02 PM, Pauline Smith wrote:
This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline



On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?









Re: Antivirus

Pauline Smith
 

This is one of the reasons I haven't taken the plunge and updated to Windows 10. I have no clue what antivirus will work. You can no longer use Security Essentials after Win 7 I don't think.


Pauline

On 9/20/2016 7:59 AM, Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io wrote:
Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8 version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to 9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA. From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?






Re: Spotify

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean about sites being reluctant to play Flash.  Whatever the case, I never had problems with Flash on the Spotify site.  I'm not sure what problems are being had using the web site.  I would suggest instead, using google to search for something.  For example, the name of an album or the name of a song or a group followed by the name Spotify.  Then follow a link you want to listen to and see if that makes things easier to understand and to manage. 
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify

I've noticed a  certain reluctance on many sites for flash to actually be
used, so I suspect this may be an ongoing problem generally, not with nvda
though.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify


>I use Firefox. When I re-opened the player it seemed to work, but
> clicking on most things just brought me back to the top of the page.
> Same thing with Internet Explorer. So far the application works
> better, though still has some issues.
>
> On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> You may be using a script blocker that is keeping flash from being seen
>> and
>> running on the site.  What browser or browsers are you using?  I'm not
>> sure
>> what accounts for the problem but to discuss it further, we need such
>> information.  Do you use more than one browser and if so, which ones?
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: kelby carlson
>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:27 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Spotify
>>
>>
>> The web player isn't working; it tells me I need to install flash even
>> though I have the latest update.
>>
>> On 9/19/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know, these days, if, or to what extent spotify is accessible
>>> using
>>> the computer application you install.  It is reasonably accessible using
>>> the
>>> web site.  If you are logged in and play something using a browser, that
>>> is
>>> reasonably accessible.
>>>
>>> You may not get as good sound that way, but the sound will be reasonably
>>> good.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kelby carlson
>>> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:36 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] Spotify
>>>
>>>
>>> Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene NZ,


I think doing a tutorial on moving columns and drag and drop is a great idea. Audio and text would be fine.


Rosemarie




On 9/20/2016 2:12 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Christo


I was thinking just in case this come up again should i add to my thunder bird tutorial on how to add extra columns or remove them with NVDA in the header of the email step by step and also using the drag and drop method with nvda to move a column from one part to another.


it would either be written or audio or both.


it would go up to my website called Accessibility Central.net found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net under the accessible email client mozilla thunderbird page.

If it is going to help some one else it will go up in the next day or so.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2016 8:31 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

My method was slightly different but equally effective. Here is what I did:

From the message list I pressed NVDA+numpad 4 until I heard the name of the column I wanted to move (Status in my case). I then pressed NVDA+numpad slash to put the mouse pointer there. Then I pressed shift+numpad slash again to lock the left mouse button. Now I pressed NVDA+Numpad 4 again a number of times until I heard the name of the column before which I wanted to move Status. I pressed NVDA+numpad shlash to put the mouse pointer there and then pressed Shift+numpad slash to unlock the left mouse button.

I think why it wouldn't work previously, was because I had neglected to press NVDA+numpad slash on the from and to columns, so the mouse pointer hadn't been positioned correctly. Anyway, it works perfectly now. Thanks to all who gave pointers which helped us get there.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 10:18 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

hristo, it's version 45, and, my specific issue was that couldn't navigate to column headers using screen review, and using golden cursor didn't work in terms of drag and drop, but, according to MK's instructions, used object navigation, and NVDA + numpad 4 moved me to list, then NVDA + numpad 2 pressed once, told me had focus on thread column header, and then NVDA key + numpad 6, until it mentioned the select columns button, NVDA + numpad enter to activate it, and then, sticking to object navigation, drag and drop seemed to work in that list itself - bit nervous to try repeate it right now, since wouldn't want to mess up something had been hoping for for a while, but, it worked...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:11 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    









-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Christo


I was thinking just in case this come up again should i add to my thunder bird tutorial on how to add extra columns or remove them with NVDA in the header of the email step by step and also using the drag and drop method with nvda to move a column from one part to another.


it would either be written or audio or both.


it would go up to my website called Accessibility Central.net found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net under the accessible email client mozilla thunderbird page.

If it is going to help some one else it will go up in the next day or so.


Gene nz



On 20/09/2016 8:31 PM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

My method was slightly different but equally effective. Here is what I did:

From the message list I pressed NVDA+numpad 4 until I heard the name of the column I wanted to move (Status in my case). I then pressed NVDA+numpad slash to put the mouse pointer there. Then I pressed shift+numpad slash again to lock the left mouse button. Now I pressed NVDA+Numpad 4 again a number of times until I heard the name of the column before which I wanted to move Status. I pressed NVDA+numpad shlash to put the mouse pointer there and then pressed Shift+numpad slash to unlock the left mouse button.

I think why it wouldn't work previously, was because I had neglected to press NVDA+numpad slash on the from and to columns, so the mouse pointer hadn't been positioned correctly. Anyway, it works perfectly now. Thanks to all who gave pointers which helped us get there.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 10:18 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

hristo, it's version 45, and, my specific issue was that couldn't navigate to column headers using screen review, and using golden cursor didn't work in terms of drag and drop, but, according to MK's instructions, used object navigation, and NVDA + numpad 4 moved me to list, then NVDA + numpad 2 pressed once, told me had focus on thread column header, and then NVDA key + numpad 6, until it mentioned the select columns button, NVDA + numpad enter to activate it, and then, sticking to object navigation, drag and drop seemed to work in that list itself - bit nervous to try repeate it right now, since wouldn't want to mess up something had been hoping for for a while, but, it worked...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 10:11 AM, Christo de Klerk wrote:
Jacob

It sounds like you are using version 24 of the Bird. In later versions screen review mode does not take you to the column headers. You can get to them with NVDA+numpad 4, but the drag feature doesn't move the columns.

Regards

Christo


On 2016/09/20 9:04 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

MK,


Thank you very much for this message - while I had no issue telling thunderbird which columns to display before - had just switched to screen review mode from first message in list,  used arrow keys to move  up until had found the column headers, routed mouse cursor to review cursor and invoked context menu using right mouse button press.


But, my issue has always been with reordering the column display order.


When I now worked through your instructions, just for testing, I thought of something else, and when had activated the button to tell it which columns to display, I found the from column in that form of context menu, routed mouse cursor to review/navigation cursor, using NVDA + numpad /, invoked mouse button lock using shift+numpad / and then just arrowed up to the subject column, routed mouse cursor to it again, and hit shift + numpad / to unlock mouse button, and voila! <smile>


As in now, finally, thunderbird is reading out from, and then subject line, and then status to me, followed by date/time - this has been roundabout my last, leftover gripe with thunderbird for quite a while...LOL!


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-09-20 1:55 AM, mk360 wrote:
Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    









-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: Antivirus

 

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 01:43 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I think the reason we are not secure is that we are relying on our software to much.
Sure security software has its place

And you've hit the nail on the head right there.  People have been falsely lulled into believing that security software will protect them from any bone-headed thing they might choose to do.  This is patently untrue.

Teaching users good browsing hygiene, as I call it, is as important if not more important than the antivirus software they must use, regardless of their selection.

If you are finding that your antivirus or security suite, whatever it may be, is frequently quarantining stuff then you need to take a long, hard look at yourself and how that's coming to occur.  It's not the hand of God that's causing it.

Belief that you can be completely protected by any security software and behaving cavalierly as a result is a sure path to infection.  Everyone should take an occasional look at their "virus vault" or whatever your product calls it to see whether or not they're having things quarantined on a routine basis.  I cannot recall how long it's been since I've had anything detected by any of the antivirus programs I've used, which have included AVT, Avast, Panda Cloud, Microsoft Security Essentials, Windows Defender, and Clamwin (along with Clam Sentinel) during the last 5 years.   I would not step near cyberspace without an antivirus running, because accidents can happen, but it's not these products that have shielded me - they're just insurance.

The way unsophisticated individuals in any area learn is by watching and listening to those who've been around the block.  If they refuse to listen there's not much that can be done other than letting the chips fall where they may.  I don't presume that anyone cannot understand the premise I advocate. 
--
Brian

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Re: Googoe Chrome and Opera issues fixed

Jacob Kruger
 

Funny enough, opera, which is currently my primary browser, nd is also up to date is currently giving me hassles, on and off - as it seems to hang up on it's own, or make NVDA go silent at times - system overload?


Trying to figure out when this started happening, and what could have caused it, but, maybe I'll try rolling back a version or two, or something, and see how that works.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-09-20 10:45 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:
Now that I've updated both Chrome and Opera to their latest versions, I am honoured to say that the issues I have mentioned before are fixed.


I hope you will find this piece of information very useful.






Re: Antivirus

 

No one is saying don't use it, using both is a good idea.
Security is like everything else combinations of things.
Software coupled with precortions helps its not full proof nothing is if you believe that then you are a fool!
What we don't need is to rely on one thing or use bloated software with so many extras that it may as well be a virus itself.

On 21/09/2016 8:34 a.m., Nimer Jaber wrote:
Yes, individuals need to use it... but that is still a better option than
telling a user not to use it because inferior options that are not
deadbolts work well... taking precautions is not sufficient enough to avoid
security problems anymore. Sites get hijacked, home computers are regularly
used in botnets... You won't change my views on terrible software, just as
I won't change your mind about the benefits to using *something*, even if
it isn't very good. My suggestion is to create a wiki including MSE and
other recommendations that are made on list regularly, and advise users to
do their own research about the quality or which one to use or not use.
These are options that we know to be accessible, but we are not telling you
that they will always work, and we are not making any statement or
guarantee about their effectiveness. Thoughts?

Thanks.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Well one issue if it is any issue I have with msse though to be fair its
not happened as much as its hppened with say avg, is et an update and
suddenly lagit programs I have had no issue with suddenly are some weird
trogen.
I have excluded their folders from scanning in fact I have excluded a
lot from scanning that could be a problem.
this has included a 3gb backup folder of installers because of how slow
they get while loading otherwise.
However I do know that excluding these things is dangerous.
One of my friends on the cloud got hacked into.
And from then on everyone on several groups on the cloud got virus files.
We eventually deleted them, but I know in one case group leaders of
several groups banned everyone from using their sites and closed their
groups down and reformatted their servers and never came back because of
the trouble it caused.
So I can see why you wouldn't exclude either.
I have not as yet explored sophos.



On 21/09/2016 6:02 a.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Cannot you exclude the items from defender as you could in msse? I have
allowed a number of hacking tools to exist in 7, with msse simply by
changing them to allow in the dialogues after they were detected, but
I've not tried this in Defender, I'd have thought the two pieces of
software almost idemtical.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Salva Doménech Miguel via Groups.io"
<kibayasd=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Antivirus


Hi.

I’m now ussing Eset SmartSecurity 9, and it’s a very big shit. The 8
version was more or less accessible but my it upgrades automatically to
9 version. After, I have used Microsoft Security Essentials (a very good
antivirus) in Windows 7, but in Windows 10 the Windows Defender locks me
some aplications like Utorrent, cause of that i changed to Eset. I’m
also looking for a good antivirus for Windows.

Cheers.

El 20 sept 2016, a las 13:53, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> escribió:

Hi,


It seems to me that the antivirus developers are the less
accessible-minded people in the software industry.

Until now I have not found an antivirus that can be used with NVDA.
From totally inaccessible right from the installation to barely
usable, none of the most famous free antivirus can be used without
problems.

I am using AVG because at least it can be automatically installed with
Ninite, but NVDA cannot read the messages dialog, I cannot configure
the antivirus and every time I install NVDA I need help from someone
cause AVG "don't like" something and NVDA stops responding.

What are your experiences in this matter?










.



Googoe Chrome and Opera issues fixed

Dejan Ristic
 

Now that I've updated both Chrome and Opera to their latest versions, I am honoured to say that the issues I have mentioned before are fixed.


I hope you will find this piece of information very useful.