Date   

Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Gene
 

It appears that the question isn't about how to get such notifications.  I think the message is asking how to change the order in which headers are displayed in Thunderbird.  Thunderbird shows the subject first, followed by the from line.  I don't want to see information in that order  I want to know who a message is from first.  I suspect a lot of other people want the from line first.  And that is one of the reasons I don't use Thunderbird.  They have never bothered to make the ability to change fields accessible and they don't show the fields in the standard order.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie,

          Are you even getting the "read" or (more likely) "unread" announced.  By default Thunderbird will mark a message as read the moment you land on it in your inbox list and the message pane is on, which it also is by default.   If you don't want that to happen you can do one of two things, the message pane can be toggled off/on using F8 and if the message pane is off a message will not automatically be marked as read (and "unread" is announced, while read is not).  If you wish to leave the message pane on there is a setting under the Tools menu, options, display, advanced that allows you to toggle the "automatically mark as read" on or off and if it's on set it to wait a certain number of seconds before marking as read if the message pane happens to be on.  This lets you run through messages in your inbox when you're not "really reading" them and not having them marked as read.

           Just FYI, the default state of the "Mark as Read" is "on" and with the "immediately" radio button chosen, so there is, essentially no such thing as an unread message if the message pane is on since you will have seen/read the message as soon as you've landed on it in the inbox list.

           I haven't figured out the way to get "responded" (or similar) to be announced.  When you reply there is a visible "replied arrow" that is shown directly to the left of the message subject, but it doesn't have a column associated with it that I can see and NVDA is not announcing its presence by default.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


It did involve object navigation.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

          Did this involve object navigation like mk360 described or is there a sequence of keyboard shortcuts?   I kept trying for the straight keyboard shortcut route but could not come up with anything that worked.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

 

Rosemarie,

          Did this involve object navigation like mk360 described or is there a sequence of keyboard shortcuts?   I kept trying for the straight keyboard shortcut route but could not come up with anything that worked.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


Someone else told me how to do it by the keyboard. Thank you for all your help though.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: Mystery surrounding computer

Chris Mullins
 

That sounds like a sensible idea. On the computer, have an app to maintain
something like a Bios.Ini file which refreshes the bios when you restart the
machine. No doubt there are many security implications but it could
possibly use existing screen reader technology to make it accessible.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: 20 September 2016 00:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer

The new Toshiba laptops have a more or less accessible program to set some
BIOS settings...
You must restart the laptop to changes take effect.

Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 19 de setembro de 2016 21:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



I've had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described
for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting

to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode
remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the
bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance
would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer





Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For
those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to

the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early
in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a
newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but

the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this
model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted
example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key
to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.



~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"


Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

mk360
 

Go to the first message in the messages list, press NVDA numpad 4 to move the object navigator to previews object until you ear "list", press NVDA numpad 2 to move the object navigator to the first object, NVDA will say something like "conversation" header, press NVDA numpad 6 to move the object navigator to the next object until you see a button to select columns and press NVDA numpad enter to activate the object. There you can select what columns you like to see in the list (I needed to verify these with the mouse pressing NVDA numpad / to move the mouse to the column that I need to check and press left mouse buton).

Good luck, and I hope that other with a better english can give you better instructions.
mk.

El 19/09/2016 a las 20:37, Rosemarie Chavarria escribió:

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    





Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I did try everything I could think of using the keeyboard but I'm not having any luck with it. I even tried routing the NVDA mouse pointer with insert minus and that didn't work either.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

 

Rosemarie,

           Once I finish dinner I'll take a stab at figuring out how to do the column activation and rearrangement via keyboard.  I did it all with point & click.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


How do I do this?


Thanks.


Rosemarie




On 9/19/2016 4:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Spotify

kelby carlson
 

Is Spotify accessible with NVDA? Do you need an adon to use it?


Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,


I do hear NVDA say "unread" when I get a new message. When I had windows live mail on my old windows 7 computer, I could set WLM to conversation and when I replied to a message, I'd hear "read, replied". I wasn't sure if you could do that in thunderbird. I think the preview pane is off.


Thanks so much for your help--and for everything you do for us.


Rosemarie


On 9/19/2016 4:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Rosemarie,

          Are you even getting the "read" or (more likely) "unread" announced.  By default Thunderbird will mark a message as read the moment you land on it in your inbox list and the message pane is on, which it also is by default.   If you don't want that to happen you can do one of two things, the message pane can be toggled off/on using F8 and if the message pane is off a message will not automatically be marked as read (and "unread" is announced, while read is not).  If you wish to leave the message pane on there is a setting under the Tools menu, options, display, advanced that allows you to toggle the "automatically mark as read" on or off and if it's on set it to wait a certain number of seconds before marking as read if the message pane happens to be on.  This lets you run through messages in your inbox when you're not "really reading" them and not having them marked as read.

           Just FYI, the default state of the "Mark as Read" is "on" and with the "immediately" radio button chosen, so there is, essentially no such thing as an unread message if the message pane is on since you will have seen/read the message as soon as you've landed on it in the inbox list.

           I haven't figured out the way to get "responded" (or similar) to be announced.  When you reply there is a visible "replied arrow" that is shown directly to the left of the message subject, but it doesn't have a column associated with it that I can see and NVDA is not announcing its presence by default.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

 

Well, I just figured out the how to get replied/read announced,

You must activate the "Status" column AND you must move it to the left of the subject column (at least if you want to hear "read" or "replied" before the subject is announced.  NVDA is announcing columns that it makes sense to announce (which means it ignores columns not set, like "Starred" if something's not starred) working from left to right in the inbox table/message list area.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

 

Rosemarie,

          Are you even getting the "read" or (more likely) "unread" announced.  By default Thunderbird will mark a message as read the moment you land on it in your inbox list and the message pane is on, which it also is by default.   If you don't want that to happen you can do one of two things, the message pane can be toggled off/on using F8 and if the message pane is off a message will not automatically be marked as read (and "unread" is announced, while read is not).  If you wish to leave the message pane on there is a setting under the Tools menu, options, display, advanced that allows you to toggle the "automatically mark as read" on or off and if it's on set it to wait a certain number of seconds before marking as read if the message pane happens to be on.  This lets you run through messages in your inbox when you're not "really reading" them and not having them marked as read.

           Just FYI, the default state of the "Mark as Read" is "on" and with the "immediately" radio button chosen, so there is, essentially no such thing as an unread message if the message pane is on since you will have seen/read the message as soon as you've landed on it in the inbox list.

           I haven't figured out the way to get "responded" (or similar) to be announced.  When you reply there is a visible "replied arrow" that is shown directly to the left of the message subject, but it doesn't have a column associated with it that I can see and NVDA is not announcing its presence by default.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Mystery surrounding computer

Rui Fontes
 

The new Toshiba laptops have a more or less accessible program to set some
BIOS settings...
You must restart the laptop to changes take effect.

Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 19 de setembro de 2016 21:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer



I've had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described
for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting
to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode
remains the same. I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the
bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance
would be required to make the changes.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer





Chris,

That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI. For
those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to
the BIOS function under UEFI.

I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early
in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a
newer one with UEFI. My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but
the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this
model. Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted
example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key
to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never
enough to keep up.



~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in
the Universe"


still can't configure thunderbird to say "read, replied".

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I listened to an old tutorial on thunderbird but the person was using window-eyes to change the column headings to how he liked it in thunderbird. How does this work with NVDA?


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie


ows


Re: Windows Explorer

 

It isn't an NVDA issue on my machine.   Whether or not NVDA is on the ALT key throws focus to the "Tab Bar" and hitting, for instance, H afterward causes the ribbon on the Home tab to appear even if you have the ribbons minimized (which is not the default state, they're generally visible by default).

The "New Folder" button is still a part of the New Toolbar/Group of the Home Ribbon.  It's only active, though, if you are in a "selection context" where creating a new folder is possible.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Windows Explorer

kelby carlson
 

In Windows 10, I'm having trouble doing a lot of things in Windows
explorer. Pressing the alt key doesn't bring up the ribbons to do
things like create a new folder. Is this an NVDA issue?


Re: VLC alternative?

RealTalk
 

I would definitely use Winamp, Foobar2000 works nicely as well, but you have to do some configuration first.

On Sep 19, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Yes, it’s winamp 5.66  Speaking of winamp. How does one make winamp the default player. I am using windows 7. 64 bit. I know you go to audible and do it that way. I did that. but when I go to play a file windows media player still comes up. I want winamp to play.  I can’t remember the life of me how I got winamp to be default. I’m senile. Thanks. I know with this 7 box it gets windows media player stuck in its craw that it has to be default. When you try to get it to have winamp as default. With my past computer all I had to do was go to a radio station that used winamp. And it asked if you wanted winamp as default. I’d say yes then it stayed winamp. Same with windows media player. But this computer it seems to stay stuck on windows media player no matter what I do. I’ll have to uninstall and reinstall winamp hoping that does the trick. Sorry for the long message.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: September-19-16 4:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

 

or Tom Lorrimer’s website www.whitestick.co.uk

 

Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 11:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

 

You can find  winamp, I think it is version 5.6   on the  audio page of;

 

www.Jaws-users.com

 

lots of apps and utils on that website.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
Sent: September-18-16 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] VLC alternative?

 

If you hunt around on the net, you can still aquire winamp and use that.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Sunday, 18 September 2016 23:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] VLC alternative?

 

I am looking for an NVDA accessible player that can basically play as many file types as VLC as well as podcasts and internet radio. There are a lot of inaccessible elements about VLC so does anyone have an alternative?   

 


Re: Mystery surrounding computer

Chris Mullins
 

I’ve had a quick look on the net and there are a couple of ways described for getting into the bios on the UEFI machine but the principle of reverting to a standard keyboard function then using the fn key to invoke smart mode remains the same.  I too know of no screen reader that can operate at the bios level and I think it unlikely there could be, so sighted assistance would be required to make the changes.     

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 September 2016 17:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mystery surrounding computer

 

Chris,

           That's a great set of instructions, but it predates UEFI.  For those who have a machine with UEFI there will be a couple of steps to get to the BIOS function under UEFI.

           I still don't know of any screen reader that operates this early in the boot sequence, no matter if we're talking a native BIOS machine or a newer one with UEFI.  My HP laptop had the keys set for multimedia mode, but the machine is UEFI based and that function is called SmartKeys on this model.  Now that I've turned off the SmartKeys (ActionKeys in your posted example) I'm back to having to hit the Fn key plus the actual function key to invoke the media function, which is just how I like it.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: deleting something from my music drive

Chris
 

To get the confirmation dialog

Right click on ryccle bin and select properties and check display delete confirmation

 

 

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 19 September 2016 20:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive

 

Please, will people who ask how do you questions, state the version of Windows being used.  Procedures may differ regarding the version of Windows. 

 

Regarding shift delete or not, I consider this a matter of preference.  I see no reason to believe that deletion works better if you use shift delete.  All shift delete does is bypass the recycle bin.  It has no impact on the speed or efficiency with which files are removed from where you delete them.  Using just delete sends them to the recycle bin.  Using shift delete deletes the file and bypasses the recycle bin, which many people may not want to do to avoid accidental or unintentional full deletion of files. 

 

This page appears to answer the question. 

 

Also, this page states that Windows 10 doesn't show this message by default. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 2:39 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive

 

Hi Rosemarie!
It works so much better if you press shift+delete so that the file gets
deleted, but does not get put into the recycle ben. The file deletes much
better that way, and there is something else. Make sure that the file is
closed on your computer screen. If the document, for example, is still open
on your computer, and you try to delete that document from your external
drive, it will not delete until you alt+f4 out of the document first if it
is open on your computer. When your external drive contents is the only
window opened on your computer, press shift+delete on the file name to
totally delete it without having it go to the recycle ben and it will work
much better. Give that a try. Take care, Rosemarie,
David Moore


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] deleting something from my music drive

Hi, everyone,


I tried to delete something from my external hard drive which has my
music on it but when I hit the delete key, all I got was "progress". I
used to hear "are you sure you want to send this file to the recycle
bin" but now I don't hear it anymore. How do I get that message back?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie