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Re: espeak

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hey all,
In my opinion, Espeak is one of the better electronic synthesizers. It's a lot better than dectalk anyway, but having said that, I'm not that fond of Espeak, elequence, or dectalk. I prefer a more human sounding voice to read to me. It's probably best if we all remember two things.
1. NVDA is free. The screen reader itself surpasses the commercial screen readers in a lot of ways, and you don't have to pay a dime.
2. Other synthesizers are available for purchase. Codefactories vocalizer expressive and elequence is the cheapest package of them all and the vocalizer expressive voices are very good.

Re: espeak

Devin Prater
 

I'd love the new Microsoft voices, but they're terribly laggy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 21, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Brian,

I like the David voice. He sounds pretty good--in fact, much better than microsoft Anna.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows: Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers. If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.




Brian
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Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I like the David voice. He sounds pretty good--in fact, much better than microsoft Anna.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows: Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers. If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.




Brian
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Re: espeak

 

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows:  Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers.  If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.

 

Brian
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Re: NVDA dictation bridge

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Josh,

 

Thanks for posting. Lucy Greco and I will be talking about DictationBridge on NVDACon. It is the first lightening talk to be held on 22 April at 17:00 UTC.

 

Please be there.

Pranav

From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA dictation bridge

 

 



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dictation bridge

Date:

Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700

From:

lucia greco <lucy@...>

Reply-To:

eyes-free@...

To:

eyes-free <eyes-free@...>, accessible <accessible@...>

 

hello and apology for the cross posting.

I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a screen reader  or dragon  naturally speaking this product is for you.

we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our funding.  please share this campaign widely and think about joining us by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to every one Lucy


lucia Greco
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Re: espeak

Lino Morales
 

Agree Peter. Try to understand it if you have a progressive hearing problem like my wife does. It ain't easy for her.

On 4/21/2016 4:58 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing for crap.

-----Original Message----- From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.

Re: NVDA dictation bridge

Arianna Sepulveda
 

If you'd still like to donate without any of the perks, you can. Just thought I'd let you know that, in case you didn't already know. I just donated 30 bucks, and I shared the campaign to my Facebook, as well. Hopefully people from my friends list will donate. I have quite a bit of family on there, so we'll see.


Thanks,
Ari

On Apr 21, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

Wow nice campaign but to pricy.
The perks way out of my range bar the 50 dollar one and I want something a bit more than a thank you tweat.



On 22/04/2016 7:25 a.m., Josh Kennedy wrote:



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: dictation bridge
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700
From: lucia greco <lucy@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free <eyes-free@...>, accessible
<accessible@...>



hello and apology for the cross posting.
I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen
reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an
INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a
screen reader or dragon naturally speaking this product is for you.
we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail
and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows
elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our
funding. please share this campaign widely and think about joining us
by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to
every one Lucy



lucia Greco
http://accessaces.com
follow me on twitter @accessaces

Re: NVDA Con recordings?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Anthony,
We have several engineers doing the recording bit of the conference,
so that will certainly be done. The recordings will be uploaded and be
made publicly available soon after the culmination of the conference.
Thanks.

On 4/22/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I think they will be recorded.



-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone [mailto:Antony.Stone@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Con recordings?

Hi.

Will the sessions for NVDA Con be recorded, so that those of us who either
can't join in at the time, due to timezone differences, or other
commitments, or else can't run Teamviewer, can hear afterwards what took
place?

Thanks,


Antony.

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Re: resume reading Word 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Yes, that worked but enter does not do it, you have to use the space bar to actually get it to move to your last place.

 

Cindy

 

From: Supanut Leepaisomboon [mailto:supanut2000@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 12:39 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] resume reading Word 2016

 

Hi,

To activate the resume reading option, try pressing the f6 keys until NVDA announces the resume reading button, and then activate the button by pressing either space bar or enter.

Let NVDACon countdown and conference begin!

 

Hello everyone,

 

We’re about to start NVDACon International 2016, starting with the conference opener/open forum at 00:00 UTC on April 22, 2016 (5 PM Pacific on the 21st). For more info on NVDACon and the schedule, go to www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php. See you all there.

Cheers,

Joseph

espeak:

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

Hi I think that espeak sounds good. It is fast and responsive.
Kenny Peyatt

Re: NVDA & Mathematical Notation

 

Bhavya,

         Thank you for this incredibly comprehensive response.  I just returned from a marathon tutoring session with this client and will definitely pass along this information.  While the computer science department from which I earned my bachelor's degree was developed out of the mathematics department, it's been several decades since I dealt with calculus, statistics, or anything vaguely like these on a daily basis.   I certainly never had any experience with this in regard to issues unique to someone who is blind or visually-impaired, which is why I turned here for help.

          I will let my client know about the NVDACon as a whole and the Maths Accessibility session in particular.  He has enough residual vision that he is not really a screen reader user, but using NVDA as a "mathematical reader" might be a very good thing for him to try.

Thanks Again,

Brian

Re: NVDA Con recordings?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think they will be recorded.

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone [mailto:Antony.Stone@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Con recordings?

Hi.

Will the sessions for NVDA Con be recorded, so that those of us who either
can't join in at the time, due to timezone differences, or other
commitments, or else can't run Teamviewer, can hear afterwards what took
place?

Thanks,


Antony.

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NVDA Stopped Reading Web Sites; Error Messages in Log

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

Regarding my new problem of NVDA failing to read web sites in both Firefox and IE on my Windows 10 computer, pasted below is the last part of the NVDA log just retrieved through NVDA. Note several references to errors. Is this related to the problem?

NVDA initialized
ERROR - queueHandler.pumpAll (17:51:23):
error in generator 42
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 72, in pumpAll
File "sayAllHandler.pyc", line 149, in readTextHelper_generator
File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 143, in makeTextInfo
File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 196, in __init__
File "textInfos\offsets.pyc", line 303, in __init__
File "virtualBuffers\__init__.pyc", line 214, in _getStoryLength
WindowsError: [Error 1775] A null context handle was passed from the client to the host during a remote procedure call

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Likely Reasons for Unintentional Creation of Duplicate Threads

 

Likely Reasons for Unintentional Thread Duplicates

At least one person has asked how duplicate threads come into existence.  While the following list is not necessarily comprehensive, it’s what I’ve been able to determine so far from detective work.

For either e-mail or web participants:

·         Changing the subject in any way at all.  Correcting spelling, adding capitalization, or introducing a new subject when replying to an ongoing thread all cause a completely new thread to be created.  It is best to avoid any change to the subject other than what the groups.io software or most e-mail clients add automatically (which, by the way, is an, “Re: “, in front of the original subject) if your intention is to keep it associated with an existing thread.  When you really intend to spin-off a new thread based upon a sub-topic or tangent from an ongoing thread then changing the subject will cause this to occur.

For those participating by e-mail:

·         If your e-mail client does not follow the standard “Re: “ addition, and uses the equivalent abbreviation from a non-English language (I’ve observed “AW: “) it will cause a new thread to be generated.  This is also the case if your e-mail client “stacks” the “Re: “ or equivalent.  There have been messages with, “AW: AW: “ in front of the subject and I doubt that anyone is typing those by hand.  The stacked reply notation is now extremely uncommon and can most likely be turned off in a given e-mail client.

·         If you are responding to a plain-text digest and are not using the “Reply to this Message” link at the end of a message and filling in the web form I am guessing that often an unintended new thread is being created most likely due to cut and paste errors for the message subject when composing an e-mail reply.  As I mentioned earlier, using the Full-Featured digest gets around this issue because the “Respond to Group” link at the end of each message is set up to open a new message in your e-mail client with the subject formatted precisely as it  should be to avoid a new thread from being created.  It’s also nice that if you want to reply privately to the person who wrote the message you’re responding to you can simply use the “Respond to Sender” link instead.

 

None of the above is meant to be accusatory toward any individual, but is based on what I’ve clearly seen happening in the online forum.  I will be happy to assist anyone personally if they need to figure out how to tweak their e-mail client or in any other way to stop duplicate threads.

Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Anthony,

I agree here. I've tried other synths and E-speak is the clearest of them all. I'm using the Max variant and it's very clear. Instead of complaining, we should be grateful for such a great screen reader like NVDA. Mick and Jamy have done a terrific job with it.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone [mailto:Antony.Stone@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak, and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C
standing for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.
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Re: espeak

Antony Stone
 

If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak,
and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better
alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of
NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise
please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can
do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing
for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.
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Re: NVDA dictation bridge

 

Wow nice campaign but to pricy.
The perks way out of my range bar the 50 dollar one and I want something a bit more than a thank you tweat.

On 22/04/2016 7:25 a.m., Josh Kennedy wrote:



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: dictation bridge
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700
From: lucia greco <lucy@...>
Reply-To: eyes-free@...
To: eyes-free <eyes-free@...>, accessible
<accessible@...>



hello and apology for the cross posting.
I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen
reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an
INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a
screen reader or dragon naturally speaking this product is for you.
we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail
and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows
elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our
funding. please share this campaign widely and think about joining us
by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to
every one Lucy



lucia Greco
http://accessaces.com
follow me on twitter @accessaces

Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

 

well espeak ng sounds a bit better but not much more.

On 21/04/2016 10:13 p.m., Mallard wrote:
I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!








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Re: nvda-kor.org warning problem message

 

well then its a fake patch.
Remember in most cases unless otherwise or you have not load autoupdate services mozilla programs and addons actualy make prity sure you never see their updates and while that could be a problem if things screw up, you in theory don't need to see unless it says its why I use their stuff.

On 22/04/2016 5:51 a.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hello Sean.
Thank you for this info.
I checked my firefox version, and it is the latest one the 45.02 i
think it is.
I appreciate the help.

Scott

On 4/21/2016 3:44 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well go to the about page and see what your firefox version is.
45.0.2 was released according to mozilla on the 11th of april.
Ofcause if you have update services on for mozilla programs you will
not ever see any patches, as they are autoloaded in the background,
sometimes you will have to restart or get a message that things are
updating, but in most cases it just does unless it doesn't in which
case it will tell you it needs to download a fresh coppy which it will
then do and install.
There have been fake updates out there ofcause.
None for this year.
The last patch was 11 april.
It may therefore be that it will be safe to upgrade the patch.
If you go to help abbout there will be an update button, or a restart
button, and such.
Even if you don't and close firefox it will update itself unless you
don't have a right version.
going to firefox.com will either congradulate you that you are updated
or say you need one.
Ofcause there are a few fake malware sites and addons for firefox but
the last reported on google search first page was sometime in 2014.
Its most likely the true deal.
One issue with firefox and all mozilla programs I have found is that
it does not always report the site right it may in fact support the
site you are on as a parent site rather than the child site you are
going to.
Especially if its a direct download.
Say I am brousing microsoft support but get a direct download from
dropbox or another update or something.
In the download library it will say it came from microsoft which it
didn't.
If that site has a web page associated with a file it will report right.




On 21/04/2016 2:08 p.m., Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
Hello.
I was just sitting on the site tonight reading the teamtalk instructions
and about the events.

Suddenly i got a message that i needed to install a firefox patch, it
was from a site that i did not recognize, so i stopped it, thanksfully.
But i was told my volnerability was 93%.
I just thought I should ask, was i smart in not letting that go through,
or is there really a patch for firefox.
Thank you

Scott



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