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Re: NVDA & Mathematical Notation

 

Patrick,

          Thanks much for that pointer to the blind math mailing list.  I'm trying to get my client "as connected" as possible before he returns for his final semester in the fall and so he's got somewhere to turn during grad school.

Brian

Re: TESTING

Christo Vorster
 

Thanks

 

From: Eigeldinger Simon [mailto:simon.eigeldinger@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: AW: [nvda] TESTING

 

Message received.

 

 


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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:36
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] TESTING

 

Hi

 

Just testing whether messages are sent, because I have received several reports that some of my messages couldn’t be delivered.

 

Please respond.

 

Thanks

 

Christo Vorster

Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Christo Vorster
 

Hi All

I want to say two things to conclude this subject, as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly: The development of ESpeak was quite phenomenal and it is one of the better packages available.

Secondly: The day I was forced to start using NVDA, probably was the best thing that could have happened with me. To use the word "force" might sound as if I resisted, but I use it simply because I had no other option at that moment, but I wasn't unwilling for the change.

Thanks to everybody for all the trouble you take to develop assistive devices for us blindies. Furthermore, thanks for keeping us on the right tracks in our discussions. It isn't an easy task.

Regards

Christo Vorster

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhavya shah [mailto:bhavya.shah125@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi all,
Please let us pause this discussion a bit - let us reflect and appreciate the long way NVDA has steadily traversed through for the past ten years to become what it is today, and to be capable of making the impact that it is making.
Once, we only had Sapi support, progressively ESpeak pre-integrated, and now availability of several commercial high-quality speech synthesizers as well. Let us cherish this diversity and variety that we have now access to for usage with NVDA, and respect the continued contributions that keep coming into NVDA.
Currently, NVDA must use ESpeak, as perhaps, it is the only free and open source text to speech engine viable. In case anyone is aware of others, please do bring it up during the Opener Forum User General Chat session of NVDACon International 2016, and maybe even during the Keynote Q & A section, so Mick and Jamie are enlightened of the same and they can make informed choices and synthesizer changes in NVDA for the future.
For the time being, I would like to sincerely request, as a fellow list member, that we focus on specifics and factual suggestions rather than somewhat abstract requests, implicitly this synth chat.
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda,
and many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the
microsoft speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice
Dream Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages

than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but
the intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong,
and after a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If
not, long live Espeak!
















--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09

AW: agree

Eigeldinger Simon
 

Agreed.

Not just the people in lower income places.

I guess i couldn’t do the current work i do without nvda.

Even when i think on how many machines i have installed nvda recently.

 

 


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Von: Marisane Moruthanyana [mailto:marisanem@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:48
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] agree

 

Hi

 

Let’s learn to appreciate what Mike and Jim have put their effort into for the past 10 years.

 

Some of us, as poor as we are, can now stand on our two feet because of nvda.

 

I acknowledge that we can do something about espeak but not think of throwing it away.

 

Let’s add and not just subtract.

 

This other synthesisers are too expensive.

 

If anyone knows of a synthesiser that’s free, let’s add it and not kill espeak.

 

Wally

South Africa

agree

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Hi

 

Let’s learn to appreciate what Mike and Jim have put their effort into for the past 10 years.

 

Some of us, as poor as we are, can now stand on our two feet because of nvda.

 

I acknowledge that we can do something about espeak but not think of throwing it away.

 

Let’s add and not just subtract.

 

This other synthesisers are too expensive.

 

If anyone knows of a synthesiser that’s free, let’s add it and not kill espeak.

 

Wally

South Africa

AW: TESTING

Eigeldinger Simon
 

Message received.

 

 


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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:36
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] TESTING

 

Hi

 

Just testing whether messages are sent, because I have received several reports that some of my messages couldn’t be delivered.

 

Please respond.

 

Thanks

 

Christo Vorster

TESTING

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

 

Just testing whether messages are sent, because I have received several reports that some of my messages couldn’t be delivered.

 

Please respond.

 

Thanks

 

Christo Vorster

AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon
 

Good idea.
Let's put that topic to rest.

Greetings,
simon


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Von: Bhavya shah [mailto:bhavya.shah125@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi all,
Please let us pause this discussion a bit - let us reflect and
appreciate the long way NVDA has steadily traversed through for the
past ten years to become what it is today, and to be capable of making
the impact that it is making.
Once, we only had Sapi support, progressively ESpeak pre-integrated,
and now availability of several commercial high-quality speech
synthesizers as well. Let us cherish this diversity and variety that
we have now access to for usage with NVDA, and respect the continued
contributions that keep coming into NVDA.
Currently, NVDA must use ESpeak, as perhaps, it is the only free and
open source text to speech engine viable. In case anyone is aware of
others, please do bring it up during the Opener Forum User General
Chat session of NVDACon International 2016, and maybe even during the
Keynote Q & A section, so Mick and Jamie are enlightened of the same
and they can make informed choices and synthesizer changes in NVDA for
the future.
For the time being, I would like to sincerely request, as a fellow
list member, that we focus on specifics and factual suggestions rather
than somewhat abstract requests, implicitly this synth chat.
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and
many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft
speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2
Nebengebäude 2, OG1
-------------------------
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Nebengebäude 2, OG1
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages

than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun
issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and
after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!















--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09

Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
Please let us pause this discussion a bit - let us reflect and
appreciate the long way NVDA has steadily traversed through for the
past ten years to become what it is today, and to be capable of making
the impact that it is making.
Once, we only had Sapi support, progressively ESpeak pre-integrated,
and now availability of several commercial high-quality speech
synthesizers as well. Let us cherish this diversity and variety that
we have now access to for usage with NVDA, and respect the continued
contributions that keep coming into NVDA.
Currently, NVDA must use ESpeak, as perhaps, it is the only free and
open source text to speech engine viable. In case anyone is aware of
others, please do bring it up during the Opener Forum User General
Chat session of NVDACon International 2016, and maybe even during the
Keynote Q & A section, so Mick and Jamie are enlightened of the same
and they can make informed choices and synthesizer changes in NVDA for
the future.
For the time being, I would like to sincerely request, as a fellow
list member, that we focus on specifics and factual suggestions rather
than somewhat abstract requests, implicitly this synth chat.
Thanks.

On 4/21/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and
many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft
speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
Sekretariat Nebengebäude 2
Nebengebäude 2, OG1
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages

than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun
issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and
after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!















--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09

AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon
 

I was talking about the speaker oft he phone.
The hardware pice.
Sorry for the missclarification.


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 13:05
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eigeldinger Simon" <simon.eigeldinger@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH
ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but
the intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong,
and after a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!












Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

List account Brians <bglists@...>
 

You can use almost any synth if there isa driver which is for nvda, and many have these days. Sapi 5 seems to be catered for as does the microsoft speech platform, an Sapi 4 as well though not so many good voices there.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 11:54 AM
Subject: AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK


Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


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An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!











AW: AW: AW: remote desktop

Eigeldinger Simon
 

A linux server is best controlled using ssh.
Windows servers normally have a gui as far as i know.


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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:21
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

Is there no other way of controlling a server with nvda?

On 21 Apr 2016, at 08:47, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

First you might look that you have a virtual sound card. If not install one.
Then you might need a sighted person.
Then you install nvda with that person.
Then you can install the remote addon.
Then go to tools/remote and go to options.
Enable the auto connect box and enter nvdaremote.com to use the relay server.
Enter a key. This can be numbers or letters or both.
Then you should be able to connect to your system.

To test you install nvda on your client as well.
And the remote addon.
Then open the nvda menu and go to tools/remote and connect.
Then select that you are a client and that you want to remotely control the machine.
Then enter nvdaremote.com as the host and then your key.
Hit ok.
Then you should be connected.
You hear some high beeps.
Hit f11 to send keys and if you want to stop sending keys hit f11 again.





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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 09:37
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

What is the best way of installing nvda on a vps in the first place?
Thanks
Luke

On 21 Apr 2016, at 06:14, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am now working in the IT department of our town.
We started rolling out NVDA on many computers.
With the NVDA Remote add-on it seems to work pretty well.
There are some bugs with the UAC and other secure desktop screens but if you are logged in as a admin and you can get around those screens it works pretty well.
Though those bugs should be addressed.
Need to write some tickets when i have access to github.
Here i don't have access at the moment.

Greetings,
simon



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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 19:51
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] remote desktop

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for
my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers
is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with
NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as
if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke




AW: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon
 

Or it's the speaker.
That could also be a possibility.


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Von: Mallard [mailto:mallard@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 12:14
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be?
Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried
other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream
Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect
which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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-------------------------
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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!






Re: AW: AW: remote desktop

luke scholey <lukescholey@...>
 

Is there no other way of controlling a server with nvda?

On 21 Apr 2016, at 08:47, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

First you might look that you have a virtual sound card. If not install one.
Then you might need a sighted person.
Then you install nvda with that person.
Then you can install the remote addon.
Then go to tools/remote and go to options.
Enable the auto connect box and enter nvdaremote.com to use the relay server.
Enter a key. This can be numbers or letters or both.
Then you should be able to connect to your system.

To test you install nvda on your client as well.
And the remote addon.
Then open the nvda menu and go to tools/remote and connect.
Then select that you are a client and that you want to remotely control the machine.
Then enter nvdaremote.com as the host and then your key.
Hit ok.
Then you should be connected.
You hear some high beeps.
Hit f11 to send keys and if you want to stop sending keys hit f11 again.





Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 09:37
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: AW: [nvda] remote desktop

What is the best way of installing nvda on a vps in the first place?
Thanks
Luke

On 21 Apr 2016, at 06:14, Eigeldinger Simon <simon.eigeldinger@...> wrote:

Hi,

I am now working in the IT department of our town.
We started rolling out NVDA on many computers.
With the NVDA Remote add-on it seems to work pretty well.
There are some bugs with the UAC and other secure desktop screens but if you are logged in as a admin and you can get around those screens it works pretty well.
Though those bugs should be addressed.
Need to write some tickets when i have access to github.
Here i don't have access at the moment.

Greetings,
simon



Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Von: Luke Scholey [mailto:lukescholey@...]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. April 2016 19:51
An: nvda@groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] remote desktop

Hi all,
I am thinking of getting a VPS or possibly even a dedicated server for
my small business. one of the main ways of connecting to virtual servers
is through remote desktop connection if the server is windows.
My question is, does Microsoft's remote desktop connection work with
NVDA and how well? I want to be able to basically navigate the server as
if I were sat in front of it like normal, is this possible?
Thanks,
Luke




Re: AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Mallard
 

I think Espeak sounds much much better in Android. Why could that be? Just curious... In fact, it's my superfavourite in Android. I tried other voices, including Acapela Vittorio (which I have for Voice Dream Reader), but I don't really like them.


I suppose it's a matter of variant, but I haven't been able to detect which variant is used in Android, to select it for NvDA also.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:53, Eigeldinger Simon ha scritto:
I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Simon Eigeldinger
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Nebengebäude 2, OG1
-------------------------
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Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!





AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon
 

At the moment there are no sapi or command line version for windows.
Just linux can be compiled.
There can also be compiled some windows version.
Maybe someone with vs 2015 could do that.

Greetings,
simon


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Von: Shaun Everiss [mailto:@smeveriss]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

I have noticed espeak ng is mentioned where does one get compiled sapi/
dll versions for windows and nvda?

The last version was last year some time aparently.

On 21/04/2016 9:48 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the
"r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!






.

Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

 

I have noticed espeak ng is mentioned where does one get compiled sapi/ dll versions for windows and nvda?

The last version was last year some time aparently.

On 21/04/2016 9:48 p.m., Mallard wrote:
Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the
"r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on
developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more
languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a
knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew
voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!





.

AW: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Eigeldinger Simon
 

I guess in nvda 2016.1 they use espeak 1.48.15.
Just the next and i guex the master daily builds have espeak ng.

You find those here:
http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/


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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Christo Vorster [mailto:christo.vorster@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 21. April 2016 11:50
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!

Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

What version of ESpeak is currently used with NVDA 2016.1?

How do I get ESpeajk-NG?

Regards

Christo

-----Original Message-----
From: ChrisLeo [mailto:llajta@...]
Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? [nvda] DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!

Re: Is there seriously a possibility of "DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK"? DOING AWAY WITH ESPEAK

Mallard
 

Oh, Chris,

I love Espeak's "r"... It's so "posh"... And it sounds a lot like the "r" of a few of our politicians... lol-rofl!!!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 21/04/2016 11:26, ChrisLeo ha scritto:
Yes, I agree, ...and then what?

As far as i know, NVDA just switched from eSpeak to eSpeak-ng on developed branchs.
Espeak-ng contains improvements for several languages and more languages than eSpeak.
From gitHub you can watch and send issues on:
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng

The R sounds mentioned in another messages for some language is a knoun issue, from here we are studing for spanish and italian trill R.
Ciao,


Chris.

Mallard, 20/04/2016 22:41:
Doing away with Espeak, and then what?

Compelling people to buy commercial voices?


I think espeak is still the best non-human synth freely available.

I have Vocalizer Expressive, but I only use the Russian and Hebrew voices.

the Italian voices are awful to say the least. Not the sound, but the
intonation. They all sound foreign, get lots of accents wrong, and after
a while I just can't stand them anymore.


If there's a viable, free, open source alternative, then ok. If not,
long live Espeak!