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Re: Updating add-ons

Brennen Kinch
 

Wow that sucks i really hope they will change there minds about this soon because its a pain to go to the websights of each of my 11 addons to see if there are updates for them

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com> wrote:

as of right now you basically have to go to the add ons website and download new versions manually. there was talk of adding automatic updates but people think it is too much work to do for people who can just check for updates on the website anyway. The thread is below if you want to read it but there is not enough interest it looks like for people to make this happen.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3208#issuecomment-260018010



Re: Updating add-ons

 

as of right now you basically have to go to the add ons website and download new versions manually. there was talk of adding automatic updates but people think it is too much work to do for people who can just check for updates on the website anyway. The thread is below if you want to read it but there is not enough interest it looks like for people to make this happen.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3208#issuecomment-260018010


Re: Google Chrome Browser

David Moore
 

Hi all,

I use Google Chrome with NVDA a lot, so I would be glad to help in anyway I can. I can access very difficult web sites in Chrome with NVDA and I am able to click on controls in Chrome with NVDA that cannot be done any other way.

David Moore

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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Chrome Browser

 

Hi

 

What in the google browser do you guys want to know?

 

I just downloaded it took it for a test drive got it to do a home page etc.

 

the guy who also said about the tutorial if he wants to share it with the community i can host off one of my pages, but change it so it is in a html format.

 

otherwise i could do like a run through of it through the settings menu etc maybe in audio.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/12/2016 4:41 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:

I'd also like a copy of using Chrome with screen reader doc. Thanks!

 

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 12:35 AM Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi Chris,

I would also like a copy of your document, as I would like to give Chrome a try once more.



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Re: NVDA Certification?

David Moore
 

Hi Quentin,

That is fine with me, There is a fee to get your certification for using JAWS, so I will gladly pay the fee to help out the NVDA community to advance the great work being done on NVDA. Thanks

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

Hi Travis & everyone,

 

Yes that is correct, there will be a fee (I'm not sure exactly how much yet) but like the training material itself, our intention is to both keep this very reasonable, and of course the cost goes directly to the on-going development of NVDA itself.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

Cool! how much will the certification testing cost? I'm assuming any fees for certification will be rolled into the development of NVDA, (not a bad way to raise funds actually).  Assuming the fees aren't too bad, I'd be very interested in this certification.

 

 

On 12/7/2016 9:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

To compliment the training modules we are slowly releasing, a series of certifications is also being developed.  The first of these, to correspond to the knowledge gained from the "Basic Training for NVDA" module, is due to be available shortly.

 

The assessment will be online, and yes, achieving certification will be something that you may include in your e-mail signature or promotional material etc.

 

Apologies for the delay in making the certification available - as is so often the case, it always takes longer to implement that you at first think, but we'd rather have it a little later than originally planned, but done right.

 

I'll be sure and let the group know once it's available.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

OK, but this comes back to you if I get in trouble. LOL!

 

NVDA Certification is an exciting new program which allows participants to demonstrate and confirm their in-depth knowledge of NVDA.

 

This program is particularly suited to:

 

list of 5 items
• Trainers
• Technicians
• Accessibility professionals
• Add-on developers
• Dedicated users of NVDA who wish to demonstrate their proficiency.

More information on how to become certified will be available on the NVDA web site shortly.

 

This was taken from section 14.14.

 

Finally taken from instructions.txt:

 

Upon completion of the topics in this module, you may be interested in sitting the certification exam.  Successful completion of the certification will enable you to be listed as a certified user, and provide you with a uniquely numbered, printable certificate you can use to quantify your proficiency with NVDA (available 3rd quarter 2016).  Please see http://www.nvaccess.org/ for details.

 

Chris.


 

 

 

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Re: Centova Cast

Gene
 

I have no quarrel with making the point that it isn't a feature.  But that's because accessibility is not a feature.  But calling something a bug when it isn't may cause resentment in the developer, I would think. If I were a developer, I don't think I would resent the argument that accessibility is not a feature.  I think I might resent something being called a bugg when it isn't because I take pride in what I develop and also I think I would be at least a little annoyed that someone was making a claim based on trying to redefine a word.  I doubt you would have told the developer the problem is a bug but I don't think it leads to clear thinking to make the argument anywhere.     
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Centova Cast

Yes and no.  It's no less a problem with the way the existing feature set works than say if the software couldn't output to a particular brand of sound card.  The software was likely never tested with that sound card and hence the issue was never picked up.  Similarly, the software was never tested with keyboard only or screen reader users and hence the issue has never been picked up.

In both cases, it is not a new feature that is needed, but to make an existing feature work for a group of users it doesn't currently work for.

To say that one is a bug and one isn't is excusing the developers for not being aware of their users needs and the market in general.

Technically it might not be a "bug" in that it isn't causing an error message etc, but at the same time it isn't a "new" feature either, and it's important to be clear about that with the developer too.  If they see it as a new feature you want, then it's less of a priority than fixing any issues that prevent the existing feature set from working for all their users.

I think the most important thing really is to be clear on what the issue is and to be respectful - ie don't just go in and say "you're software is useless, fix it!" but rather explain the problem and why it is an issue.  Even though accessibility is being taught in courses these days, there are still plenty of developers who have no idea about it and going in all guns blazing will only get them offside, but they're the ones we need onside to fix the problem.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That isn't a bug.  I'm all in favor of effective advocacy but that doesn't include arbitrarily changing the meaning of words.  If a program can't be used by all users, that is a lack of accessibility.  A bug is something that doesn't work as expected.  The program works as it should.  It is designed inaccessibly for this feature and it works exactly as designed. 
 
Trying to change the meaning of a word in this way lowers credibility with those you are trying to persuade. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Centova Cast

Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: card games that work with NVDA

 

Hi Don,

I use the card games at Spoonbill Software and they work great with NDVA
and windows 10.

The web site is http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm

On 12/8/2016 7:31 PM, Don H wrote:
Are there any free card games or other games that work well with NVDA?
Thanks



Re: card games that work with NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi all,

That is a good question! I would like to know as well.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] card games that work with NVDA

 

Are there any free card games or other games that work well with NVDA?

Thanks

 

 

 


Re: Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

Yes and no.  It's no less a problem with the way the existing feature set works than say if the software couldn't output to a particular brand of sound card.  The software was likely never tested with that sound card and hence the issue was never picked up.  Similarly, the software was never tested with keyboard only or screen reader users and hence the issue has never been picked up.

In both cases, it is not a new feature that is needed, but to make an existing feature work for a group of users it doesn't currently work for.

To say that one is a bug and one isn't is excusing the developers for not being aware of their users needs and the market in general.

Technically it might not be a "bug" in that it isn't causing an error message etc, but at the same time it isn't a "new" feature either, and it's important to be clear about that with the developer too.  If they see it as a new feature you want, then it's less of a priority than fixing any issues that prevent the existing feature set from working for all their users.

I think the most important thing really is to be clear on what the issue is and to be respectful - ie don't just go in and say "you're software is useless, fix it!" but rather explain the problem and why it is an issue.  Even though accessibility is being taught in courses these days, there are still plenty of developers who have no idea about it and going in all guns blazing will only get them offside, but they're the ones we need onside to fix the problem.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
That isn't a bug.  I'm all in favor of effective advocacy but that doesn't include arbitrarily changing the meaning of words.  If a program can't be used by all users, that is a lack of accessibility.  A bug is something that doesn't work as expected.  The program works as it should.  It is designed inaccessibly for this feature and it works exactly as designed. 
 
Trying to change the meaning of a word in this way lowers credibility with those you are trying to persuade. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Centova Cast

Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Training Material Developer
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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Arlene
 

Oh, so am I. I'm surprised that people still use it! Why did their computers not die? The computer that my friend gave me. It was big enough to hold vista. That was the one that died not much longer I got this 7 box.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-07-16 10:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Hi, Arleen,

I liked XP when it was out but when I got my windows 7 computer, I loved typing things I wanted in the search box. If I wanted to go to wordpad, all I had to do was hit the windows key, type wordpad in the search box and hit enter--and bingo! There it was. It was a pain in the neck always having to arrow to programs in XP. Glad I don't have to do that anymore.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Me too. The thing I love about 7 is this. You can go to the start menue and type in whatever you want. Like your control panel. Then your computer takes you to it! While xp you had to arrow to get to it! I don’t miss it either. Liked it in its day. I do agree. It needed to be formatted depending on what kind of computer you had. My first xp box had to go to a sighted user. Jaws was taking up loads of resources. When I tried to launch IE it hung. But eventually it went on to IE I was glad to see it go. then my friend gave me her xp box. Not much longer after I got my 7 box witch I'm on now died. The hard drive in that xp box gave up the ghost.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: December-07-16 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

xp sucked to me and I don't miss it. Would rather use 10 or 7 anyday.

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It is less resource hungry than later versions of windows. Every time,
for example, I tried to run windows 7 on anything less than 4 gb, I
constantly got out of memory messages. XP, however, hummed along just fine on 1 gb.




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Re: Centova Cast

Gene
 

That isn't a bug.  I'm all in favor of effective advocacy but that doesn't include arbitrarily changing the meaning of words.  If a program can't be used by all users, that is a lack of accessibility.  A bug is something that doesn't work as expected.  The program works as it should.  It is designed inaccessibly for this feature and it works exactly as designed. 
 
Trying to change the meaning of a word in this way lowers credibility with those you are trying to persuade. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Centova Cast

Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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card games that work with NVDA

Don H
 

Are there any free card games or other games that work well with NVDA?
Thanks


Updating add-ons

Brennen Kinch
 

Hi how do you check to see which installed add-ons have updates and install them

Sent from my iPhone


Re: Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

Actually, you don't have any contact information for them do you please?  When I go to http://www.centova.com/en/support/contact there is a link to the support department, which then wants me to log in, but there is no option to create a login.  When I go to forgot password, it only wants the email I used to create my account in the first place... I assume you create an account when you buy the software...

I never trust companies who make it so hard to get in touch with them...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Well, I'll see what I can do - can't promise anything though!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

well, as a fellow developer, you may have better luck in at least having our case heard.



On 9/12/2016 10:41, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I encouraged the user to write to Centova but maybe I'll make the effort as well - looks like they are the sort that will respond best to more people asking for something than because they should just do that something in the first place.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

yes, quite. I'm sure there are other alternatives, unfortunately, the provider I use, doesn't offer any. hense, I'm still stuck using it.


I do happen to have sighted help, but that's not the point.



On 9/12/2016 10:28, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




--
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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, I'll see what I can do - can't promise anything though!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

well, as a fellow developer, you may have better luck in at least having our case heard.



On 9/12/2016 10:41, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I encouraged the user to write to Centova but maybe I'll make the effort as well - looks like they are the sort that will respond best to more people asking for something than because they should just do that something in the first place.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

yes, quite. I'm sure there are other alternatives, unfortunately, the provider I use, doesn't offer any. hense, I'm still stuck using it.


I do happen to have sighted help, but that's not the point.



On 9/12/2016 10:28, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Centova Cast

Shaun Oliver
 

well, as a fellow developer, you may have better luck in at least having our case heard.



On 9/12/2016 10:41, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I encouraged the user to write to Centova but maybe I'll make the effort as well - looks like they are the sort that will respond best to more people asking for something than because they should just do that something in the first place.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

yes, quite. I'm sure there are other alternatives, unfortunately, the provider I use, doesn't offer any. hense, I'm still stuck using it.


I do happen to have sighted help, but that's not the point.



On 9/12/2016 10:28, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

I encouraged the user to write to Centova but maybe I'll make the effort as well - looks like they are the sort that will respond best to more people asking for something than because they should just do that something in the first place.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

yes, quite. I'm sure there are other alternatives, unfortunately, the provider I use, doesn't offer any. hense, I'm still stuck using it.


I do happen to have sighted help, but that's not the point.



On 9/12/2016 10:28, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Centova Cast

Shaun Oliver
 

yes, quite. I'm sure there are other alternatives, unfortunately, the provider I use, doesn't offer any. hense, I'm still stuck using it.


I do happen to have sighted help, but that's not the point.



On 9/12/2016 10:28, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

Since you said you're using it (still), I take it there isn't a viable alternative software to recommend in its place?

But yes, that attitude is so frustrating.  It's not a feature we're asking for, it's a bug because your software doesn't work properly for all users...

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Shaun Oliver <blindman75@...> wrote:

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Centova Cast

Shaun Oliver
 

there is no way to do this.


I too use sentovacast for one of my streams, and I've yet to find an accessible way to do this.


someone has already asked if it can be made accessible, and the developers said and I quote, we will look at implementing such a feature. quote unquote.


it's that attitude that drives me mad with developers, as they see it as a feature and not a necessity.


Sadly, we are a minority in the market and there really isn't a big enough market to accomodate us.



On 9/12/2016 08:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Centova Cast

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I had an enquiry from someone who uses Centova Cast for streaming radio hosting: http://www.centova.com/en/cast

They are having difficulty copying music across to the playlist.  A sighted user would click on a song and drag it across to the playlist.

Is anyone aware of a keystroke or a way to achieve this please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess