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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

 

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 02:23 pm, Travis Siegel wrote:
it doesn't take any sort of a database for any email client

 Travis,

        No coder worth his salt, or product worth it's either, would try to make "an educated guess" regarding e-mail server configurations.  I suggest you take a look at the Thunderbird Features Page, Mail Account Setup Wizard section where the text states, "Now all you need to provide is your name, email address, and password and the email account set up wizardry will check our database and find the email settings for you."

         I've had enough instances where Thunderbird did not set up accounts automatically where I had every reason to believe it would to know it isn't guessing - it knows or it doesn't.  If it doesn't, you manually configure and it's best to look up the servers, ports, and security you'll be using before doing so.

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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I wasn't so much angered. I was more just concerned, as the way it came across was you could delete Chris's thread without reading it all in one bang. It kind of made me feel like, "Oh, crud! Did I say something, or do something wrong?" I figured it was just an error. I know they probably were not talking specifically about my post, but admittedly, it did sound a bit snide. Again though, no hard feelings. She did indeed clarify, and it's all good as far as I'm concerned.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

The remark isn't snide and ethics are not involved.  This may have been a message mistakenly attached to an incorrect thread.  Or there may be some other explanation but it obviously has nothing to do with your previous comments nor with this thread.  Error should be presumed.  
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Just curious. What exactly does my earlier thread have to do with this discussion about Outlook Express? Did I do or say something wrong? If so, please write me off list rather than publicly referencing my posts with some snide remark, with all due respect. - Doing so isn't ethical.
 
If you want to take this up with me privately, my address is:
 
 
I'll be happy to address your concerns off list.
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Rob
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
XP isn't more stable than later versions of Windows.
It is less resource hungry than later versions of windows. Every time, for example, I tried to run windows 7 on anything less than 4 gb, I constantly got out of memory messages. XP, however, hummed along just fine on 1 gb.


Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

XP isn't more stable than later versions of Windows.  Instability is caused by problems such as driver incompatibility, hardware problems, and other reasons I don't have enough technical knowledge to discuss.  But there is a misconception that you often hear that XP is more stable.
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Hi, Is xp your favorite version of windows? If it is. all the world to you. If you like playing games on it. Especially ones that are geared for the blind. All the world to you.  From what I heard, other blind computer users said xp was more stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: December-07-16 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

hi quentin.
thanks extremely for your kindness and sympathy with me as always and thanks extremely for your guide and great news about continuation of support for my favorite windows!

On 12/7/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> hi david.
> i tried uninstalled and reinstallation of nvda and also potplayer and
> nothing has change.
> and also, i wrote narrator with the correct spelling narrator!
>
> On 12/7/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
>> hi travis.
>> i am completely agree with you.
>> thanks so much for your comment.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>>> I am very skeptical that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA will help.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: David
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:38 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
>>> release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, sorry I don't know much other than this to try. Long as you
>>> spelled the narrator phrase correctly, which I am sure you have
>>> double-checked, and your Windows do not start the service.
>>>
>>>
>>> One last resort that comes to mind, have you ever considered
>>> reinstalling NVDA? I would think thare might be a way to back up all
>>> your NVDA settings, to something like a USB pen. Then completely
>>> remove the screen reader from your system. Redownload a fresh copy,
>>> and install NVDA all from scrach. Reboot, and perform your testing
>>> in the software of your choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> Something might have got broken in your installation of NVDA. And
>>> you might have incidentially changed a setting somewhere. So if you
>>> have never done a reinstallation, you hereby are encouraged.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apart from that, I am out of ideas. Hope someone else will help you out.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 12/6/2016 6:52 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>> david,
>>>> i dont open two screen reader simultaneously.
>>>> i only installed both and when openning one, closed another and it
>>>> was not compatible for my system.
>>>> and about narrator, i am completely sure that dont have it.
>>>> i wrote it in the run and the run window became closed without any
>>>> error!
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
>>>>> I think Microsoft stopped support for windows XP in 2014 if I'm
>>>>> not mistaken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/6/2016 7:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>>> antony, do you know the last version of nvda which supports xp?
>>>>>> whats the last version that i can use?
>>>>>> i realy wish that its be possible supporting of xp forever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/6/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Well, you get to enjoy the benefits of both OSes. Think of it
>>>>>>> this way, if you install Windows XP mode in Windows 7, and when
>>>>>>> you go into Windows XP and install anything, it shows up in the
>>>>>>> Windows 7 start menu so it's relatively easy to launch; although
>>>>>>> the catch is that I think XP mode is not available for the home
>>>>>>> editions of Windows 7, except for Windows 7 Ultimate.
>>>>>>>   From my tests in the past, NVDA does work under XP mode.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In response to a message earlier, yes, free/open source software
>>>>>>> stopped supporting old versions of Windows later than paid ones,
>>>>>>> but eventually old versions of Windows will not be supported.
>>>>>>> Take Firefox, Mozilla stopped supporting Windows 2000 I think a
>>>>>>> year or 2-3 years after Windows
>>>>>>> 2000
>>>>>>> became unsupported by Microsoft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>


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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org







Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 04:05 pm, Gene wrote:
Error should be presumed.

 Reworking something I posted elsewhere earlier:  Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by human error.
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Re: NVDA Certification?

 

Hi,

At this point, if I heard right, NV Access does not offer certification programs. If it did, signatures of some members would say so.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

They do, yes, but I  don't know much about it. Hopefully someone can chime in, as I'd be interested as well in this.

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Merv Keck

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:44 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

 

Hi,

VFO has several certification programs for their products including Magic and Jaws. I was wondering if NVDA has a certification that can be achieved as well?

Thanks in advance,

Merv

 


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Gene
 

The remark isn't snide and ethics are not involved.  This may have been a message mistakenly attached to an incorrect thread.  Or there may be some other explanation but it obviously has nothing to do with your previous comments nor with this thread.  Error should be presumed.  
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Just curious. What exactly does my earlier thread have to do with this discussion about Outlook Express? Did I do or say something wrong? If so, please write me off list rather than publicly referencing my posts with some snide remark, with all due respect. - Doing so isn't ethical.
 
If you want to take this up with me privately, my address is:
 
 
I'll be happy to address your concerns off list.
 
Chris.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: NVDA Certification?

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

They do, yes, but I  don't know much about it. Hopefully someone can chime in, as I'd be interested as well in this.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Merv Keck
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 6:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Certification?

Hi,

VFO has several certification programs for their products including Magic and Jaws. I was wondering if NVDA has a certification that can be achieved as well?

Thanks in advance,

Merv

 


Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Oh, OK. That makes sense. Cool deal. I just wanted to be sure I'd not said anything wrong. Just bad timing I guess. LOL! It's all good.
 
Take care.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Oh no, I was just using your name!  It had nothing to do with you. It could be any Chris! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-16 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Just curious. What exactly does my earlier thread have to do with this discussion about Outlook Express? Did I do or say something wrong? If so, please write me off list rather than publicly referencing my posts with some snide remark, with all due respect. - Doing so isn't ethical.

 

If you want to take this up with me privately, my address is:

 

 

I'll be happy to address your concerns off list.

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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NVDA Certification?

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Hi,

VFO has several certification programs for their products including Magic and Jaws. I was wondering if NVDA has a certification that can be achieved as well?

Thanks in advance,

Merv

 


Re: Potential problem with the Remote addon

Chris Mullins
 

I use the remote add-on regularly, so I am familiar with the concept.  The bit  I am struggling with is why, knowing the concept, anyone would think an f11 keypress could be sent to the remote computer by pressing NVDA+f2 followed by f11 on the controlling computer.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: 7 December 2016 16:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

He did explain that at the beginning.  I understood perfectly what he was asking the whole time, and honestly, I can't figure out why others didn't get it.  It's a simple concept.  f11 toggles between local and remote, f11 is needed to do something on the remote host, but the addon takes the f11 key regardless of whether the passthrough key is pressed or not.  What's so hard to understand about that?

That's what Chris said in the very first post on this topic.  I didn't answer, because I didn't have a response that would help.  Why did it take 10 rounds of back and forth to get this across?

 

 

On 12/7/2016 12:16 AM, Gene wrote:

If you had explained this at the beginning, it would have saved a lot of confusion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 9:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Shruggs, never mind. I'm tired of trying to explain this. It's not your fault. NO hard feelings. I just don't  know how simpiler to put this.

 

I am the controller. He is the controlee. He can hit F11 on his end. I however cannot as F11 toggles between me sending keys and not sending keys.

 

I get that with him being the controlee, he could hit F11 to his heart's content, and it wouldn't toggle between keystrokes being sent to him or not.

 

For him, if he hits F11, it would then simply perform the regular function of F11. If I hit it, it'll toggle. I get that. OK? Make that totally clear. I get it!

 

Here is where the problem is coming in though.

 

On his computer, the computer I am controlling, he's running a program which requires pressing of the F11 key to open a certain dialog within the program.

 

When focus is in that particular program, if he, not I, but he! hits F11, the dialog comes up no problem.

 

If I! hit F11 though, it toggles between sending keys and not sending keys.

 

So, if I am on his computer, and I'm sending keys to his system, I go to the start window, I navigate and open up that program, OK, you following me? I open up that program, on his? end, not on mine, the program launches and is in the foreground. I then press F11 to bring up that dialog. I instead hear not sending keys. The reason is because F11 on the controller's computer toggles  between the two machines. sending, and not sending, keystrokes.

 

So... he can hit F11, but if I'm carrying out a task helping him, I don't always want to have to say, hey Joe Blow, hit your F11 key, I can't hittit for you.

 

There needs to be a way to tell the Remote addon when on either! the remote controller's end or the controlee's end, either! it doesn't matter if you're sending keys or not. That's totally irrelavent. The point is, regardless, there needs to be an equal way that the controller also have full functionality of the keyboard. The controller needs a way to be able to send an F11 key to the controlee's machine. It  shouldn't always be up to the controlee to have to hit F11. Either person should have a way to be able to do it.

 

So, my logic of thinking was, OK, the Remote addon is obviously seeing when I hit F11 that I'm trying to switch between sending and not sending keystrokes. I don't want NVDA interpreting that and sending the F11 key through to the Remote addon, thereby toggling key sending on/off. I want to be sending key commands to the controlee's system. While doing so, I want to be able to press NVDA F2, pass a key through, this way, NVDA doesn't give two damns less about that F11 key. For all NVDA cares, I never pressed it to start with.

 

I need that NVDA+F2 to bypass the F11 key so that when I hit F11 while sending keys, the Remote addon doesn't detect the keystroke and toggle me back to my machine, but instead sends the F11 key to the controlee's system as a regular keyboard shortcut, thereby within the program in question activating sed dialog as a result of the F11 key being the command coded into this application to activate that screen.

 

What I was apparently trying to say in a not so good way, or so it seems, is that when I press the NVDA+F2 to pass the next keystroke through to the OS, bypassing NVDA and all addons accordingly, as soon as I do this and hear pass key through, if I then hit F11, the key isn't getting passed; it's still sending the F11 key through being interpreted by NVDA, thereby toggling me back to not sending key commands, same as if I'd just hit F11 without first passing the key through.

 

In practice, I'd think that if I pass a key through, then the next press of F11 should be sent to which ever machine I'm presently controlling, that is not what I'm observing though.

 

I really! really! really really really! really! can't make it any more childplay elementary comprehensible than this. I've spelled in black and white precisely down to a T what the problem is. I don't possess any skill of knowledge to make this easier put.

 

If this makes sense, then great, but if not, then I'm out of symantic ways to explain it.

 

Again, no hard feelings, but this really shouldn't be this hard to grasp.

 

Chris.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

You said “hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer” then  “He can hit F11 and obviously it works”.  I took this to mean you pressed NVDA+f2 to try and bypass the sendkey operation of f11 and send it to the remote computer.  If, when the guy on the remote computer presses f11 it works OK, why would you need to run an NVDA bypass command on that computer?

 

When a remote connection is made, the keyboard of the controlled computer works as normal, so f11 is f11.  On the keyboard of the controlling computer however, the f11 key acts as a sendkey toggle, so even if you are ‘sending keys’, the f11 keypress is never transmitted to the remote computer.  I suggested a double/triple keypress event as a sendkey toggle as this is more unlikely to be required by an app you are interacting with on a remote computer.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 20:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

But I want the bipass command and the F11 to be executed at the remote end.

 

I'm not sure how much more simple to put this.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Hi

There has to be a key or key combination which the controlling NVDA uses to switch the key send feature, in this case it happens to be f11.  Using the bypass command doesn’t work because if you are sending keys, it’s executing at the remote end.  Perhaps the remote add-on could be tweaked to use a double or triple  tap of F11 to switch the key sending mode on and off, with a single keypress being treated as any other key.

 

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 6 December 2016 00:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yeah, I sent it to the list earlier, but, who knows... LOL! It's all good.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 6:32 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Yes, that makes sense.  I don't recall your original message but it makes sense now. 

 

Gene

------ Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

Gene,

 

One of us is confused.

 

Yes it does make sense you'd issue the bypass command. This friend of mine has an app that he uses which uncommonly has F11 mapped as one of the keystrokes to perform a task within that application.  So, regardless if NVDA is in the equasion or not, even if a sighted person was using this same application, F11 would be the command one would need to hit to execute this function. The problem is, F11 is also assigned to the NVDA remote addon to toggle between sending or not sending keys.

 

If I am trying to help him with something in this program, and we get to the point where F11 is required, yeah, I can make him hit the key for me, but that's really a poor way of doing things. I should be able in one form a or another to have the same level of control as him, not 99.9999%. If I am sending keys, and am focused in that application on his system, then try hitting F11, it stops sending keys. Why? Because F11 is ultimately set to be interceptid by the Remote Addon, so therefore that  takes

 precedents over the application in question therefore causing a key conflict. This is why I need the Remote addon to ignore me hitting F11. This way the application sees it, not the remote addon. That's why I was trying to first do a pass key through.

 

If this doesn't make sense, then I'm not sure how more elementary to explain it. Maybe someone else can.

 

Chris.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 5:37 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

It doesn't make sense that you would use the bypass key before issuing the f11 command.  This is clearly an NVDA add on command and you would want it to go to NVDA so the add on will intercept it and take an action. 

 

Whatever the problem is, the bypass key won't solve it, as you found.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 4:32 PM

Subject: [nvda] Potential problem with the Remote addon

 

So, a friend and I were both playing with the NVDA Remote addon. I was controlling his computer.

 

The Addon worked flawlessly with one exception:  For whatever reason, you know how F11 is used for sending/not sending keys? I know earlier I talked about needing the keystroke to pass a key through, which was told to me to be NVDA+F2. Thank you for that information, by the way. The problem is, even after doing this, hearing NVDA say pass key through, then hitting F11, I can't send an F11 key to his computer, no matter what!

 

He! can hit F11 and obviously it works, but shouldn't the controller also be able to do this?

 

This one's got me a bit baffled. Further, in the Tools menu of NVDA under Remote, I tried sending a CTRL+Alt+Del, and that neither is working. It just acts like I did nothing at all.

 

Does anyone know how to get both these issues resolved short of contacting Christopher Toth, who usually never seems to respond back to me cvia e-mail nor via Twitter, not sure why not?

 

Chris.




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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Arlene
 

Oh no, I was just using your name!  It had nothing to do with you. It could be any Chris! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: December-07-16 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Just curious. What exactly does my earlier thread have to do with this discussion about Outlook Express? Did I do or say something wrong? If so, please write me off list rather than publicly referencing my posts with some snide remark, with all due respect. - Doing so isn't ethical.

 

If you want to take this up with me privately, my address is:

 

 

I'll be happy to address your concerns off list.

 

Chris.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Ejaz Shah
 

By default, Thunderbird does download messages from some folders on the computer even for IMAP accounts. Under Account Settings, Synchronisation and Storage, try unchecking Keep messages for this account on this computer.

On 12/7/2016 9:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello. if i set it to emap, realy can i use it without any waisting
of my internet charge?
please say the other settings that i should do in this regard.
and also i realy wish that know the best and most accessible version
of thunderbird.

On 12/7/16, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswizard@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

When you first set up Thunderbird and configure your accounts, it
chooses what is best most of the time. For example, it chooses IMAP for
Gmail. However, if everything is already set up, you can go into tools
and accounts and adjust your settings for that account.

Hope this helps,

Jeffrey


On 12/7/2016 10:26 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
how can i set thunderbird to use emap instead of POP?

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
IMAP doesn't automatically download mail. IMAP is different from POP3
in
how it handles messages. I'll let those who know more about it discuss
it
further. I could more or less explain the basics but those who know
more
can give you a better picture and I might make some minor technical
mistakes.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?


in which version of thunderbird automatic download of emails is not
enabled by default to use it like my firefox?

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't use IMAP. Someone else will have to answer questions about it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 7:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?


gene, thanks extremely for your help!
how can i set thunderbird not to download all emails automaticly?
and whats the setting in it by default? POP3 or emap?

On 12/7/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks extremely for your help.
is this problem for all thunderbird versions and how to prevent it?
is there any setting to use thunderbird like my gmail in firefox
without losing my internet charge automaticly?

On 12/7/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,


If you are so limited by your ISP regulation on bandwidth, then I
suggest you not use any pop3 or IMAP program like Thunderbird or
Outlook. Keep using Firefox or the browser of your choice to view
your
e-mail.


I hope bandwidth limitations never get that tight in the US, but with
the incoming administration and the almost certainty that 'net
neutrality' will end, who knows.


I really like my personal client and pop3/IMAP approach.



On 12/7/2016 7:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
i dont know the problem.
when i wanted to use my email with thunderbird, i think some option
is
check by default.
unfortunately all my emails downloaded to my computer automaticly
and
for the limitation of internet charge hear, i waisted around one gb
of
my internet charge!
i only wanted to work with it to learn it, but downloading all
emails
automaticly is very terrible!

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Also, I forgot, I am using NVDA latest version 2016.3 for
Thunderbird.
It works just fine.



On 12/4/2016 7:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi,
thanks extremely for your detailed and great information!
i should practice them to learn them!
when i opened one message, my firefox opened it instead of my
thunderbird!
how to open them with thunderbird and set it to be easy as
firefox?
i tried desabling the preference under general and unfortunately
thunderbird stors all tabs and messages which i opened previously.
besides, whats the best version in simplicity and accessibility
easy
to use with nvda?
whats the best versions in this regard?
is there any advance settings that i should change like advance
settings in firefox about:config
God bless you and his infinite mercy i pray for you.

On 12/4/16, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Again,


I forgot a few important items.


You may be having confusion because of the start page issue.
Under
tools/options/general, uncheck the box that says 'show the start
page
in
the message area.' This way, when you launch Thunderbird, you
will
go
directly to your list of folder/messages.


If you receive a message with an attachment, with the message
open,
press alt + M for the message item and H for the attachments
item.
You
will then see a bunch of choices including open (the name of the
file
attachment) open all, save all and so on.


You can also use tab and shift tab to get to the attachments and
use
the
right click (context menu) item, but this is a bit cumbersome, so
i
prefer the former method.


Also, I find the following to work well--though a bit cumbersome
when
trying to place addresses in various of the CC/BCC/To fields.


If you open a new message and back tab 8 times, you are placed in
the
list of addresses in your default or main address book. If you
want
to
do a mass mailing, thenyou can arrow down or use first letter
navigation (which works for the address book, and select address
with
the control + space bar method and then press the following
keystrokes
to place large numbers of addresses into the various fields.


alt + A for To field

alt + C for CC field

alt + B for BCC field.


If you wish to place various addresses in multiple field, each
time
you
place them there, you will have to back tab again until you hear
'contacts, tree view.' This will place you back into the list of
addresses to continue choosing separate fields until you have
completed
your list of mass addresses. It is a bit cumbersome, but unless
someone
else has figured out a better way, it is better than going
directly
from
the address book and then moving around the list and right
clicking
and
tghen choosing write and then moving the addresses around from
field
to
field to that you have some in the to field, some in the cc field
and
some in the bcc field.


I hope this meandering list of commands over the course of two
messages
helps someone some way.





On 12/4/2016 6:10 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:


Thunderbird is pretty straight forward. Once you install the
program, you must set up your account. By default, after the
first
installation, this screen comes up--where you enter your e-mail
address, name, server settings and so on. If for some reason,
it
does
not come up after the first installation, then you can find
settings
for the e-mail account under the tools menu (alt +
T) and the accounting settings (press S after alt + T) item.


Once the account settings screen comes up, tab once to the
account
settings button and press space bar. A context menu opens and
one
of
the choice is 'add e-mail account.' If you choose this item, a
standard mail configuration screen comes up and you fill in your
information.


Now here are a few settings that I prefer. Others may have
different
opinions. I came from the Outlook Express experience in earlier
versions of Windows, so I set my view settings as follows.


Under the tool bars menu under view, I have menu bar and status
bar
checked.

Under the layout sub menu item under view, I have the folder
pain
checked and the classic view item checked. I do not have the
message
pain checked. This causes problems with many screen reader
users.
If
this gets checked by accident, it toggles on and off with the
press
of
the function Key 8 on your keyboard.


Under the folder sub menu item under view, I have the all item
checked--nothing else.


Under the today pane, I have none checked--nothing else. This
feature
is nice for sighted people, but it can cause issues for screen
readers.


The sort by item is up to you. I have date and ascending order
checked which places the most recent messages at the bottom of
the
list in each folder.


The thread sub menu item is also personal preference but I have
all
checked and then I use the command letter N when in a folder
with
no
open messages to unsort to read each message separately so they
won't
open all at once and the letter T for setting them back to
threaded
so
I can do mass deletions.


Under the headers sub menu item, I have normal checked. This
avoids
the full headers which take up a massive amount of space with
gibberish most people don't understand.


Under the message body as item, I have simple HTML which
suffices
for
most purposes.


The display attachments inline should be unchecked--otherwise
files
you attach which are binary or music will create a lot of
gibberish
that no one can read.


Now here are a few shortcut and hotkeys to get you started. Many
of
them are similar to Outlook Express with a few notable
exceptions.


To bring up the address book where you can create e-mail address
and
properly send e-mail, the keystroke is control+ shift + B. From
the
address book, check the various sub menus for how to create new
entries (control + N) and so on.


To start a new message from scratch without using the address
book,
the keystroke is Control + N.

To reply to a message you have received the keystroke is Control
+
R.
If you wish to respond to everyone in the headers the keystroke
is
control + shift + R.

Here's one odd one. To forward a message, press control + L.
This
differs from most other Microsoft clients which use Control +

F.

Control + F is used either to find messages in a folder with no
open
messages, or to find text in an open message.

To attach a file, from an open message you are writing, press
control
+ shift + A. This opens a browse for folder/file dialogue where
you
can move to the default folder for attachments.

Once you have completed writing a message, you can either
configure
the message to be sent immediately under your account settings
or
you
can use the keystroke control + enter to send the message. If
send
immediately is not configured, you will receive a prompt to send
the
message after pressing control + enter to whcih you respond yes.


As far as navigation from folder to folder, the easiest way to
do
this
in my opinion is to use the Function key 6 (F6) keystroke that
will
move ou from the list of messages, to the tabs to the folder
list.
For
example, if you are in the list of messages and you press F6,
you
should go to the folder list. One important thing to remember
is
that
first letter navigation within the folder list is not possible
for
some reason. Unlike in Outlook Express, you must use up and
down
arrow keys to move from one folder to another in the tree view
and
then press tab once to move to the list of messages in each
folder.
That's one big drawback.


For any more settings issues, use the tools menu alt + T and
choose
options. There are a bunch of settings for everything from
signatures
to just how return receipts are handled. Explore these settings
and
make preferred choices.


As with any new program, check under the various menus--both
from
the
main inbox folder and from wsithin a new message or open message
to
get further tips and tricks as to how to use the program.





On 12/4/2016 2:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello every one.
i tried mozilla thunderbird for the second time without any
success.
i could not do anything with it.
could you please send me a link which contains complete
tutorial
in
using thunderbird with nvda?
thanks extremely for your help and God bless you all.
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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Just curious. What exactly does my earlier thread have to do with this discussion about Outlook Express? Did I do or say something wrong? If so, please write me off list rather than publicly referencing my posts with some snide remark, with all due respect. - Doing so isn't ethical.
 
If you want to take this up with me privately, my address is:
 
 
I'll be happy to address your concerns off list.
 
Chris.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
--
Brian

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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Arlene
 

Oh! Speaking of outlook express! What I liked about it, if you didn’t want to read a thread. For example. Chris’s computer problem. You can heave the thread! I forgot how you used to do it using outlook express. I’m not sure how one does it using outlook 2010.   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: December-06-16 9:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are not supported among the latest java release, and so much more.  Trust me, I just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it.  But, if your a die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version of XP.  Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP than is used on standard computers.  I'm not taking a position on whether the patches work or work properly.  I'm simply saying that if you do this, you hope but you don't know. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM

Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

 

The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp install.  It has nothing to do with xp as a whole.  Microsoft is still supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019.  That isn't a hack, that's the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means (contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.

 

 

On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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Re: how to use mozilla thunderbird with nvda?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Thunderbird had no information about my servers when I set them up.  However, it still guessed my outgoing mail server was mail.softcon.com, and my incoming was imap.softcon.com.  It doesn't take any database entries to make these guesses, it's almost always the same no matter who the provider is.  The 143 for imap, 110 for pop3, and 993 for secure imap is written into the rfcs for those protocols, and shouldn't change, though some providers just plain ignore standards, and do what they like, causing problems for all, but it doesn't take any sort of a database for any email client to make educated guesses as to what your domain names and port numbers might be.
On 12/7/2016 1:00 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 09:01 am, Travis Siegel wrote:
Thunderbird uses these defaults when configuring imap servers (by default) so you shouldn't have to change anything assuming your provider uses standard ports.  Most of them do, so you should have no problems at all.

 Thunderbird uses these defaults if it already has a database entry for your ISP with regard to e-mail or when you go in to manually configure an account.

If you have to manually configure an account, you really need to know what the incoming IMAP server name is and outgoing SMTP server name is.  There are lots and lots of cases where they are not imap dot service provider dot com or net and the corresponding for SMTP.   There's no point in guessing as I know of no e-mail service provider that doesn't give this information, often online, when it's needed for a manual setup.
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Re: Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Arlene
 

Hi, Is xp your favorite version of windows? If it is. all the world to you. If you like playing games on it. Especially ones that are geared for the blind. All the world to you. From what I heard, other blind computer users said xp was more stable.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: December-07-16 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

hi quentin.
thanks extremely for your kindness and sympathy with me as always and thanks extremely for your guide and great news about continuation of support for my favorite windows!

On 12/7/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi david.
i tried uninstalled and reinstallation of nvda and also potplayer and
nothing has change.
and also, i wrote narrator with the correct spelling narrator!

On 12/7/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi travis.
i am completely agree with you.
thanks so much for your comment.

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I am very skeptical that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA will help.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable
release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


OK, sorry I don't know much other than this to try. Long as you
spelled the narrator phrase correctly, which I am sure you have
double-checked, and your Windows do not start the service.


One last resort that comes to mind, have you ever considered
reinstalling NVDA? I would think thare might be a way to back up all
your NVDA settings, to something like a USB pen. Then completely
remove the screen reader from your system. Redownload a fresh copy,
and install NVDA all from scrach. Reboot, and perform your testing
in the software of your choice.


Something might have got broken in your installation of NVDA. And
you might have incidentially changed a setting somewhere. So if you
have never done a reinstallation, you hereby are encouraged.


Apart from that, I am out of ideas. Hope someone else will help you out.


David

On 12/6/2016 6:52 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
david,
i dont open two screen reader simultaneously.
i only installed both and when openning one, closed another and it
was not compatible for my system.
and about narrator, i am completely sure that dont have it.
i wrote it in the run and the run window became closed without any
error!

On 12/6/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Microsoft stopped support for windows XP in 2014 if I'm
not mistaken.




On 12/6/2016 7:01 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
antony, do you know the last version of nvda which supports xp?
whats the last version that i can use?
i realy wish that its be possible supporting of xp forever.

On 12/6/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Well, you get to enjoy the benefits of both OSes. Think of it
this way, if you install Windows XP mode in Windows 7, and when
you go into Windows XP and install anything, it shows up in the
Windows 7 start menu so it's relatively easy to launch; although
the catch is that I think XP mode is not available for the home
editions of Windows 7, except for Windows 7 Ultimate.
From my tests in the past, NVDA does work under XP mode.

In response to a message earlier, yes, free/open source software
stopped supporting old versions of Windows later than paid ones,
but eventually old versions of Windows will not be supported.
Take Firefox, Mozilla stopped supporting Windows 2000 I think a
year or 2-3 years after Windows
2000
became unsupported by Microsoft.






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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: NVDA repeating itself

Arlene
 

Hi, depending on what you want to do with windows. If you want to run a business from home using the internet. Then you should use windows ten. For instance if you are doing internet coding for blind computer users. Then you really should use current windows.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: December-07-16 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself

gene,
i use my laptop only at home and i dont work in business to use supported windows for business!
whats the best version of windows for home users?

On 12/7/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'll add that embedded XP is a different version of XP, intended for
use in running business equipment of various kinds. The list members were correct.
Support for XP, the version of XP you are using, ended in 2014.
That's what you said ended in 2019 and that's what list members
responded to. If you had said embedded XP, you might have gotten
different responses. Or you might have gotten some of the same
responses and questions about what you meant by embedded XP. Most
people don't think about embedded XP and a lot of people don't know about it.

I'm not making any judgment about whether using updates for Embedded
Windows in another version of Windows XP will provide effective
protection nor am I assuming that doing so will possibly impair the
operation of Windows. But I am pointing out that using these updates
may not provide adequate protection and that doing so may impair the operation of Windows XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


The version of NVDA you are using now is the final release version
unless some significant problem is found. The answer, therefore,
whatever happens in future, is very likely no.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA repeating itself


when is the time for final nvda 2016.4?
i realy wish to see it very soon and am very excited from some of its
features!
can i use potplayer in this release without any problem?

On 12/7/16, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:
Started with RC1

On 12/6/2016 4:48 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
That could be why mine is working differently. I take it NVDA
didn't keep repeating the current icon before 2016.4rc1?

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

I don't require a password to open windows. So when returning from
sleep I am placed on the desktop.

On 12/6/2016 4:10 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Are you using the lock screen / logging in to your account?

On mine when I just tried exactly what you did (alt+f4 from the
desktop,
choose sleep, let it go to sleep, close the lid, open the lid),
it comes
up to the lock screen - although it didn't always announce
anything.
When I logged in, it announced "pane" twice but that was all.
So I got
a couple of little gremlins, but different ones to you.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>
wrote:

Running NVDA RC1 on a Win 10 laptop. When I close the
laptop I
normally first hit Alt F4 and then select sleep, let it go
to sleep
then shut the lid. When I open the laptop later thus
returning from
sleep NVDA keeps repeating the name of the Icon in focus
over and
over. Is this expected behavior?
As I have already said as a newbee I am quite impressed
by NVDA.






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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Open Office

Kevin Cussick
 

Yes, correct just wondered I don't really suppose that 64bit would be much if any faster.

On 06/12/2016 23:43, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It looks like there is only one version for windows, which would be
32-bit, as you said - On the download page there is an option for 32 or
64 bit versions for Linux: http://www.openoffice.org/download/

For LibreOffice, it looks like there is a 64 bit version although it's
not right up the top next to the
32 bit version, but look a bit further down the page and it's listed as
"Windows x86_64": https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io
<mailto:the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Am I correct in saying there is only a 32bit version of open office?
you do get a 64bit version of Lo.


On 06/12/2016 16:45, David wrote:

Well, I pretty much second your question, except from me being
totally
depending on being able to use spreadsheets. Will NVDA let me
operate
the equivalent to MS Excel, under either OpenOffice or LibriOffice?



David

On 12/6/2016 3:54 PM, Jorge Gonçalves wrote:

Hello,

I just got curious from your answer. I am a LibreOffice user.

What does make Open Office more accessible than LibreOffice?
What are
the main accessibility differences? I am only interested in
the Word
Processor.

Cheers,
Jorge

Às 14:41 de 06/12/2016, Robert Kingett escreveu:

It works well even if you do not have Java installed. It
is more
accessible than Libreoffice but Libreoffice is a better
program in
every other way.







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Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Just for clarification, are you meaning to say Embeded, or did you mis-spell, and actually mean to say embedded, e m b e d d e d?

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported? #NVDARelease


Embeded xp is something that would run on a single board computer (something similar to the raspberry pi). sbcs are used in all kinds of industrial automation, among other things, and microsoft has made a version of xp available for these computers so developers can run windows on their small computers. Honestly, I'm not aware of anyone using xp on an imbeded systems, but often times, you don't really know what's under the hood (so to speak) of an appliance or device. For example, most of the linksys routers run a version of linux, some of the asus motherboards also run a version of linux to handle their cmos configuration. I know most atm machines used to run os/2, but they have since switched to some form of windows (maybe they're the ones running xp). Anyway, anything that runs an operating system invissible to the user is considered embeded, and it can be in anything from toasters to bull dozeers, just about anything you can point at these days has some sort of computer in it, and those computers have to run something, so that's what's referred to as the embeded market, because the os is embeded into the device, and is (generally) transparent to the user.



On 12/7/2016 3:32 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi travis.
thanks for your good news.
i did read this news and mentioned in this group, but they told that
dont trust them and only do accept the news from microsoft and
trustworthy websites.
whats the different between embedded windows xp and standard windows
xp which i use now?

On 12/7/16, Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> wrote:
besides, jaws, windoweyes, and any apps that need dotnet 4.5 or higher are
not supported among the latest java release, and so much more. Trust me, I
just tried a week a go, to make a complete install with and with out the
hack, applying the updates manually, but it isn't worth it. But, if your a
die-hard fan, you can still use firefox and outlook express.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to
the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease


Microsoft says that the updates are not intended for the standard version
of XP. Call it a hack or something else, you are using an unsupported means
to get unsupported updates that are intended for a different version of XP
than is used on standard computers. I'm not taking a position on whether
the patches work or work properly. I'm simply saying that if you do this,
you hope but you don't know.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows XP support was: RE: [nvda] Is any release prior to
the latest stable release, and thenext RC release, officially supported?
#NVDARelease


The simple hack is to make your regular xp machine look like an embeded xp
install. It has nothing to do with xp as a whole. Microsoft is still
supporting the embeded version of xp until 2019. That isn't a hack, that's
the truth, and denying it won't change anything.

Xp embeded version is being supported until 2019. It's not the version of
xp folks run on their computers, but it's close enough that you can
piggyback on that support to keep your xp machine patched until then.

No, it's not a direct support by microsoft (for the desktop version) and
microsoft has said they don't recommend folks do this, but they've also
comitted to supporting the embeded market until 2019, and that means
(contrary to popular belief) that microsoft does support xp still, albeit a
specific version of xp, but nonetheless, they do still support xp.






On 12/6/2016 9:06 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Uh, anything that requires a so-called "simple hack" is not officially
supported, period.

Microsoft has declared XP support over and it's incredibly foolish to
doubt their commitment to leaving it behind.
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