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In-Process and an NVDACon interview

Quentin Christensen
 

In this week's In-Process "NVDACon edition", we have all things NVDACon - what is NVDACon? The times, how to join, how it started, how to share your Thunder Clap Tweet news, plus an exclusive interview with one of the speakers, with an audio challenge!


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

 

Hi,
Speaking for myself, I cannot give you a definitive answer as I don't have
an ARM machine with Windows 10 on it to test this scenario for you. Sorry.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 12:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Okay, thanks to both of you.

Please let me then return to the original question to which I haven't
received a clear answer yet. Will NVDA be stable when used with both the
32-bit and 64-bit apps in Windows 10 on ARM? Because Narrator, for instance,
supposedly have some problems with the 64-bit apps in the ARM version of
Windows 10.

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 23:59, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
As for building NVDA for ARM, not likely, as we want to make sure many
people get to use NVDA with just one installer, so we have to go
through common denominator.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this
can change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using
an ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM
processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM
for MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to
work better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA
comes with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in
the new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be
stable on such an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in
practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn
will run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully,
NVDA does come with the same library for communicating with certain
apps, so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a
64-bit AMD or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of
NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or
64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for
64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and
I am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well
in the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam



























Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Pele West
 

Hi

I think you have said it. I found, using the Braille Sense, that if I
used Narrator to read braille I could no longer use the Braille Sense
with NVDA.

I hope someone on here can tell you how to get out of this hole, because
I don't know the answer.

pele West


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Adam Samec <adam.samec@...>
 

Okay, thanks to both of you.

Please let me then return to the original question to which I haven't received a clear answer yet. Will NVDA be stable when used with both the 32-bit and 64-bit apps in Windows 10 on ARM? Because Narrator, for instance, supposedly have some problems with the 64-bit apps in the ARM version of Windows 10.

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 23:59, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
As for building NVDA for ARM, not likely, as we want to make sure many
people get to use NVDA with just one installer, so we have to go through
common denominator.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this can
change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using an
ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM
processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM
for MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to
work better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA
comes with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in
the new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be stable
on such an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in
practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn
will run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully,
NVDA does come with the same library for communicating with certain
apps, so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a
64-bit AMD or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of
NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or 64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for
64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and I
am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well in
the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam



























Re: two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Sky Mundell
 

Hello Bob. Perhaps this is something that needs to be addressed in a future update of NVDA? This is concerning that NVDA won't automatically read the message after hitting control and the letter D, but System Access will, especially since System Access from what I hear is soon going to be a dead product and from what I hear hasn't received any updates since August of 2020. Note. I've had some familiarity with System Access in the past and owned their accessibility anywhere package and when SA to go came out I was hoping that SA To go would take off and become successful.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: December 1, 2020 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Hi all,
I've been using NVDA now for a few days, and for the most part it's working without a hitch in Outlook. However, I'm having two problems:
1. In Outlook, the reporting of deleted messages is inconsistent. If deleting from a folder, NVDA doesn't, and has never, said anything.
I'd like the subject line of the next message to be spoken after the previous message is moved to the deleted items folder. When in the deleted items folder, NVDA does not reliably say the correct subject line. To reproduce, follow these steps:
A. Locate an email you don't want in Outlook, open it, then press
control+D to delete it. Notice that NVDA does not say anything, I'd
like it to say the subject of the next message, or the name of the folder if there are no more messages to display or you have Outlook configured to return you to the folder where you were.
B. Now go to your deleted items folder, and find a few messages you want to delete. For this scenario, I'm assuming you, like me, have Outlook set to open the previous item upon taking action on the currently focused one. Open one of the messages, and press control+D to delete it. Outlook pops up a message saying that this will be permanent, and asks if you would like to continue. Say yes to this, and you should be in the next message. Here, NVDA sometimes says the correct subject, sometimes does not say the subject of the message at all, or sometimes even says the subject of the message you just deleted.
2. I don't use Outlook for the account I'm writing you on right now, I use Gmail's web interface with the basic html mode. When navigating through my messages using the tab key, NVDA does not read who the message is from. It will say something like row 4 column 1 checkbox not checked, then I tab and it will say column 3 message subject.
System Access will read the sender's name with the checkbox in column 1.
Bob


two different problems with NVDA and reading email

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
I've been using NVDA now for a few days, and for the most part it's
working without a hitch in Outlook. However, I'm having two problems:
1. In Outlook, the reporting of deleted messages is inconsistent. If
deleting from a folder, NVDA doesn't, and has never, said anything.
I'd like the subject line of the next message to be spoken after the
previous message is moved to the deleted items folder. When in the
deleted items folder, NVDA does not reliably say the correct subject
line. To reproduce, follow these steps:
A. Locate an email you don't want in Outlook, open it, then press
control+D to delete it. Notice that NVDA does not say anything, I'd
like it to say the subject of the next message, or the name of the
folder if there are no more messages to display or you have Outlook
configured to return you to the folder where you were.
B. Now go to your deleted items folder, and find a few messages you
want to delete. For this scenario, I'm assuming you, like me, have
Outlook set to open the previous item upon taking action on the
currently focused one. Open one of the messages, and press control+D
to delete it. Outlook pops up a message saying that this will be
permanent, and asks if you would like to continue. Say yes to this,
and you should be in the next message. Here, NVDA sometimes says the
correct subject, sometimes does not say the subject of the message at
all, or sometimes even says the subject of the message you just
deleted.
2. I don't use Outlook for the account I'm writing you on right now, I
use Gmail's web interface with the basic html mode. When navigating
through my messages using the tab key, NVDA does not read who the
message is from. It will say something like row 4 column 1 checkbox
not checked, then I tab and it will say column 3 message subject.
System Access will read the sender's name with the checkbox in column
1.
Bob


NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

 

Hello NVDA community,

On behalf of NVDACon 2020 Organizing Committee, I would like to cordially invite you to 2020 NVDACon: Bridging The Distance, to be held on December 5th and 6th (UTC), 2020 via TeamTalk. It took the organizers quite a while to get things ready for you, as we have received enthusiastic topic proposals from many people. This year’s NVDACon is one of the most diverse and packed gathering yet – in addition to our tradition of meeting NV Access and listening to their keynote, we’ve got opening forums, showcasing NVDA in many contexts, and other ways for attendees to interact with each other.

And now, NVDACon organizers are proud to present the 2020 program schedule:

2020 program and schedule – NVDACon

 

Note: one or two sessions are marked “tentative” and may change. Base time zone is UTC, with the schedule tailored to your time zone for ease of review and to help you join sessions of interest.

 

How to join us: follow the steps outlined at:

How to join us – NVDACon

 

We hope to see many of you and bridge the distance together this weekend at NVDACon 2020!

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee (NVDACon founder and NVDACon 2020 Committee advisor; 2020  lead organizer: Robert Hänggi)


Chat, NVDA and Manamon

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Could someone who plays Manamon and Manamon2 please contact me?
Thanks
Chris


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

William
 

Hi,

In following Luke's suggestion of changing the driver, my ram issue seemed solved, so I immediately write an official email to the responsible Dell support to request them fixing the driver issue.

I hope he really pass this to the respective party.


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Dark Count
 

This is very odd.

I did just as you suggested, but still no cigar.

It still does not see the display.

Its confounding me since narrator sees them right away and I get Braille.

I thought the external drivers were no longer needed back in 2018.


Thanks,


D C


On 12/1/2020 1:19 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

If you cannot see the HIMS driver on your NVDA installation, the HIMS drivers have not been properly or completely installed. Try installing again and run the file as admin. There are two installations that take place so do see them through to the end.

Keep in mind that the drivers are for USB, and that bluetooth does not require the drivers. You would instead need to pair the device under Bluetooth.


On 2/12/2020 5:21 am, Dark Count wrote:
Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC.  Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C









NVDA and Word

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

Am new to this list I think;

 

My question relates to NVDA and word.

I notice whenst reading cases for law school,

NVDA will say “footnote area” and then say “document” when it returns to the actual document being read.

 

Is there a way to have NVDA either:

Skip the footnote portions and continue reading original doc,
or,

Is there a way to group all the footnotes together so that NVDA can go from one to another?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike McGlashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Sam Taylor
 

If you cannot see the HIMS driver on your NVDA installation, the HIMS drivers have not been properly or completely installed. Try installing again and run the file as admin. There are two installations that take place so do see them through to the end.

Keep in mind that the drivers are for USB, and that bluetooth does not require the drivers. You would instead need to pair the device under Bluetooth.


On 2/12/2020 5:21 am, Dark Count wrote:
Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC.  Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C









HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Dark Count
 

Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC. Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C


locked Re: NVDA with Eudora?

 

Ann,

            Here's a quote from the Computer History Museum, which now actually owns the rights to the source code for the long out of support Eudora e-mail client:

alas, the last version of Eudora was released in 2006.

It has not been supported since, nor did the hoped-for revival after the source code was open-sourced ever occur.  From the Wikipedia page for Eudora:

Development of the open-source version stopped in 2010 and was officially deprecated in 2013, with users advised to switch to the current version of Thunderbird.

Your best bet is to find a new e-mail client.  And per the group rule, Unsupported versions of any software may only be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA Group, this topic is now locked.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


locked NVDA with Eudora?

Ann Byrne
 

For years I have used NVDA with Eudora easily and quickly. Upgrading today to the newest NVDA version, I find that NVDA no longer reads messages. it reads the list of messages, but not the text when the message is opened.

Any other eudora users out there? Is there a work-around?

Thx,

Ann


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

Gene
 

What happens if you unload NVDA then load it again. Until you solve the proboem, see if doing this off and on works around the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

I just tried to do this using microsoft disability on be my eyes. She
could not locate any drivers other than real tech on my computer and
they will not install drivers not rec by manufacturer. She went to the
dell site and there was an Oct 27 update for real tech. So I installed
those... I hope that it does it but I have no confidence with real
tech to be honest.

I have more school work to do so I guess will update later.


locked Re: Command to obtain Serial number from system

 

Answered on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group:  https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/49055 

This topic is now locked, as it is not NVDA related.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


locked Command to obtain Serial number from system

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  Some kind soul set a command to obtain our pc's serial number.  As I have a mountain of mail to wade through, and due to being a numbskull at times, can the kind soul or anyone else who saved the command please resend it?  I forgot to save the email concerned myself.  Thank you.  Stay safe and cheers.


keybase

 

Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

 

Hi,
As for building NVDA for ARM, not likely, as we want to make sure many
people get to use NVDA with just one installer, so we have to go through
common denominator.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this can
change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using an
ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM
processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM
for MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to
work better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA
comes with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in
the new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be stable
on such an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in
practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn
will run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully,
NVDA does come with the same library for communicating with certain
apps, so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a
64-bit AMD or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of
NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or 64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for
64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and I
am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well in
the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam

















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