On May 11, 2020, at 3:36 PM, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:



Which grammer checker does work in Microsoft word as well as accessible with nvda?

Actually I have my web pages not read a thing. I know when they are open

reading the first line would be nice.

I believe there is a setting (perhaps in advanced) to have NVDA use UIA for Office applications. Does the behavior change if you toggle this? 

Actually I have my web pages not read a thing. I know when they are open only when I check, and for me that's fine. Same with most messages, although
reading the first line would be nice.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ubtwx5elgfta2y/NVDA_Remote_Servers.zip?dl=0
I think I got them from github end of last year including the compiled versions.

Cheers,
Ralf

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of seb naudet
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Subject: [nvda] Remote Relay server

Hello list,

i'd like to run my own relay server, does someone know where to find a compiled one for windows?

i've been to the GitHub page of remote relay server, but, if possible, i'd prefer to avoid compiling step.

any idea where to find the server and a simple guide?


thank you

Hi everyone,

NVDA speaks all punctuations except period. When I press the key for
period it is silent. Even the word period or dot ar silent. Why is
that and how can correct it? Would NVDA correct itself if I uninstall
and reinstall?
Any help will be appreciated.
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Hmmm while that would be an interesting feature, I'd then need a sound to tell me the message was open.

The fact it starts reading indicates the messages are open.

On 11/05/2020 6:59 pm, Dennis L wrote:

One thing that would be helpful is having the ability to have NVDA read nothing when you open a message.  Jaws has this feature.  It is called  messages automatically read.  It could be off by default and allow the user to use it or not. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 2:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA verbosity question with outlook.

 

Hi Dennis,

 

Firstly, I'm going to assume that you opened a message in between checking the status bar with Jaws (which counted 9 unread messages) and NVDA  (which reported 8 unread messages).

 

Ok, Outlook has a number of options for what it displays on its status bar.  Like Word, you can customise what is displayed, and like Word, you can manipulate some of the controls on the status bar.  In particular, you can change between normal and reading view and change the zoom.

 

To disable any of those items you don't want to use, press F6 to move the focus to the status bar, then press the applications key to open the context menu.  Use the arrow keys to move through the options and spacebar to check or uncheck items as you see fit.

 

Out of curiosity, does the same apply to other Office programs?  Word, Excel, PowerPoint etc?  Does NVDA read more of those items than Jaws?

 

I'll update our Switching from Jaws to NVDA guide once I know whether to note it as just for Outlook or all of Office.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 5:27 AM Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Hi, are there verbosity settings I need to change so that NVDA more closely speaks what Jaws does when I read the outlook status bar?  The first example is Jaws the second is NVDA.

 

Jaws. Items in View 45

Unread Items in View 9

Zoom 10%

 

Status Bar Items in View 45 Unread Items in View 8 Normal View. Show All Pinned Panes. Reading View. Hide All Pinned Panes. Zoom Out Zoom 0 Zoom In Zoom 10% Size box

 

 

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NVDA has a "sleep mode".  Press NVDA+shift+s (or if using laptop keyboard layout press NVDA+shift+z) and NVDA will be silent and will ignore keystrokes while you are in the current program (or until you press the sleep command again).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:37 PM Tilea <sabelyn@...> wrote:

Hi there! I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to tell NVDA to stop processing commands for a time, similar to the "pass next key through" command. When using an application/ widget that has heavy keyboard accessibility, NVDA's commands really hinder the use of the application, and having to press NVDA+F2 between each and every keystroke would make - say - a game using its own keyboard commands practically unplayable. I thought perhaps the "application sleep mode" was what I needed, but not only does the command listed on the reference do absolutely nothing for me, it apparently stops the speech synthesis as well, which I don't want.

What I'm looking for is a key stroke that tells NVDA to start ignoring/passing keys until that same keystroke is entered again, or something to that effect.

Searching for this has yielded nothing helpful because any way I phrase the question, I simply get linked back to the user guide or commands quick reference, which so far as I've seen, doesn't have any solution. Is there perhaps an addon that would allow this, or have I missed something in NVDA's main feature set?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

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This isn't just changing how the program responds in this one situation.  the program behaves in this way every time you open a document in any document reading program.  One person or two people by themselves don't make a convincing case for changing this behavior.  And if you change the behavior by providing a don't read any of document automatically feature, what will you substitute in its place?  Think of what it means.  If nothing is spoken, you won't know when a document has opened.  You may not even know the program itself has opened, if you click on a file and nothing is spoken. 

 

I want verification that something has opened and appears to be working properly.  the most efficient way to do that is by having the first line read automatically.  That way, I get information about the first line, which I often want instead of some sort of generic announcement such as program x has opened, document y has opened and reading something like the title of the document. 

 

In short, you would have to come up with something more efficient and more useful than what you are complaining about now if you want a change because I very much doubt most people want such a change or option.  Are you literally asking that nothing be spoken?  That is most unsatisfactory.

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:12 PM

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

I have seen at least one other person request this feature.  Its clearly not just me who wants this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 4:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to prevent NVDA from automatically reading messages in outlook when open them?

 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 04:35 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:

to read it in your preferred mode by default.

And when, "your preferred method," could be one of who knows how many, it becomes ridiculous to try to implement said preferences.  This may not be one of those cases, but I am discussing a general principle.

There are constant complaints about how complex the preferences settings are for a wide variety of programs, but those complexities are the direct result of trying to allow individual users maximum control over how things work.  And even then, default choices have to be made, none of which satisfy everyone.

There are times when giving no options makes far more sense than giving many, when exiting the default behavior is a single keystroke away.  You (any you) may argue whether that's the case here, and that's perfectly legitimate discussion, but it's very hard to argue the general principle.  Option bloat is a very serious issue to be considered and it's often hard to strike the right balance between "all" or "nothing" that makes most happy.  Everyone will never be happy.
 
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On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Its clearly not just me who wants this.

No, it's not.  So far the "yeas" are 2, and the nays keep increasing.

This will be my last comment.  I'm not saying your wants should not be heard, but I am saying that they appear to be in the distinct minority, and that means they're unlikely to result in any change.

Hareth's comment expresses my personal feeling/opinion on the matter, but better.  My comment to Richard Bartholomew, https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/73646, can stand as a final statement from me that addresses the underlying considerations.

And, again, as has been emphasized elsewhere on this very group over the last several days:  If you have a change you wish to see, then please, file a feature request (for a new or extended feature) or a bug report on NVDA's GitHub.  That's how things actually get rolling, at least when they do get rolling.  The response to any feature request can be either, "No," or, "Not now, and it's a low priority."  Real bugs always get addressed in order of severity.
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