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Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Fresh Start <dan@...>
 

It may sound strange, but check and see if the layout got changed. Then
make sure the screen is maximized. Sometimes the screen will change for
whatever reason. It might not totally minimize. But will change in size.
Also if there is a change in font size, that can happen. So maximize the
screen with alt plus space followed x with the document opened.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it
doesn't.


Inserting Latency in NVDA Speech and Bluetooth Audio

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

This may come off as an odd request, but I do need it to simulate a
certain scenario. I would like to have NVDA's speech - with the same
voice settings and my same ESpeak-NG - be outputted but with a delay
of 150 ms. Latency is generally frowned upon, yes, but I would like to
artificially manufacture it at present. Is there some way of doing
this?

For context, I am aware that standard Bluetooth audio (sans low
latency audio codecs) typically have an associated latency of 150-250
ms. Since I do not have the required equipment to test that
practically, I want to emulate that latency with NVDA on my laptop
speakers so as to get a sense of how much a couple hundred
milliseconds of delay is likely to affect me in the real world.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Making NVDA profiles in diffrent languages

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

Create portable copies but save them to your hard drive. You want a portable copy for each language you know. Create shortcuts to each of these portable copies. Instead of running on flash drives, they simply run off your PC from their own directories.

You will also need a way to change the windows display and interface languages as well, or you're going to have German NVDA trying to read English! There are ways to do it -- talk to Microsoft support or look through their knowledgebase to get assistance. Microsoft also has two disability support portals: one for home users and one for enterprise users. You can ask these folks about easily switching your Windows language.

Remember Windows has an interface language, a display language a keyboard language and a speech language. You can set any or all of these. And you can switch between them.  Though the traditional "language bar"is a floating toolbar that NVDA cannot read, the keystrokes to switch languages are accessible and you don't really need to access the language bar to do the switching. I'll be discussing this in my NVDACon talk this Saturday.


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

I am sorry I can't be very specific, but in fooling with my view settings in outlook I managed to turn grouping off and it cut out all that verbosity. You can adjust your view to include fewer columns too. Since NVDA is reading outlook's document object model and not the screen it should respond appropriately if you adjust your view to be more minimalist.
Another thing to know: if you are focused on a message that is a newsletter and outlook announces garbage about pictures not downloading, etc. you can use your applications key, select junk, select "not junk"and by marking this message as not Spam, anything else coming from that sender will be whitelisted. Whitelisting a message also causes Outlook to not display and NVDA to not speak verbose messages about it. Because outlook is so configurable, you will find that changing its settings radically affects what NVDA speaks.


Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Deborah Armstrong <debee@...>
 

Go to nvdacon.org


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 06:38 PM, Gene wrote:
But is a reply to sender link available in e-mail programs on lists where the address is hidden?
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I have no idea.  I have never dealt with an e-mail list where e-mail addresses are hidden such that you cannot reply privately if you so choose.

But even if such exist, they're irrelevant to discussions regarding Groups.io, and the Reply to Sender link, which is provided on every message that goes out.  This conversation has a clearly defined scope, and I'm not trying to expand beyond it.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

But is a reply to sender link available in e-mail programs on lists where the address is hidden? Does it make sense to hide the address while allowing a reply to sender link that will expose the address?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird



That will not always work as for some lists like those I run I have the address hidden so you might see someone'@groups.io even though that is not their address. Hence forth, you cannot rely on that either 100 percent.

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On 2 Dec 2020, at 15:07, Gene wrote:



I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I
wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command
control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers.
With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers.
Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode
search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and
you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to
the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do
this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use
on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other
list serves don't provide one.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,

Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?

Mary


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

By the way, the Reply to Sender link, which is simply using click-through text for a mailto: link, is 100% correct.  If it sticks trying to use it directly, regardless of the email client or webmail, try bringing up the context menu once it has focus and the correct email address of the sender is always part of that mailto link.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

 

It is also possible to easily copy either the e-mail address itself, or the whole mailto link, that is given by the Reply to Sender link at the end of messages.

In Thunderbird, if I have focus on the Reply To Sender link, one of the options that comes up if I bring up the context menu is, Copy email address, which does exactly what you'd think it would do, and gets only the e-mail address out of the mailto: link.  You can then manually compose a new message and paste that email address into the To: field.

Also, oddly enough, if I attempt to directly activate the Reply to Sender link in Thunderbird, I get a new tab for composing that says, Loading, and never loads.  Yet, if I gain focus on the Reply to Sender link, bring up the context menu, and choose Compose message to, a new composition window, rather than tab, opens right up with the e-mail address of the sender pre-populated, but without the subject being pre-populated as it would were the Reply to Sender link working as designed.

I do not have any issue with the Reply to Sender link in Outlook 2016, eM Client, or Gmail webmail.  This is a Thunderbird bug.  But now that I've done some additional resource it definitely is easy to get around and you still use the Reply to Sender link, but don't activate it directly, but bring up the context menu and go from there.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Sarah k Alawami
 

That will not always work as for some lists like those I run I have the address hidden so you might see someone'@groups.io even though that is not their address. Hence forth, you cannot rely on that either 100 percent.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 2 Dec 2020, at 15:07, Gene wrote:

I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I
wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command
control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers.
With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers.
Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode
search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and
you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to
the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do
this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use
on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other
list serves don't provide one.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,

Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?

Mary


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

I forgot to add that when you are finished working with the source, close it with alt f4.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I
wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command
control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers.
With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers.
Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode
search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and
you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to
the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do
this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use
on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other
list serves don't provide one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Gene
 

If such features work, that's fine. I don't rely on them in part because I wanted to know how to do this before such features were available.

For Thunderbird, if you are in an opened message, and you use the command control u, you will see the source, which other programs call full headers. With Thunderbird, you are using Browse Mode when looking at full headers. Search the way you would use for a web page, using the NVDA browse mode search command for from:
That's from and a colon immediately after it. Repeat the search once and you will be on the from line.
Move to the beginning of the name, use shift end, then copy the address to the clipboard.
Start a new message and paste it in. There are probably other ways to do this in Thunderbird, perhaps with fewer steps but this is the method I use on the rare occasions I want to reply to someone directly.

And, while Groups.io has a reply to sender link, as far as I know, other list serves don't provide one.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 4:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to
activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all
the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that
he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it
appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are
having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at
the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to
sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had
issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: keybase

Sarah k Alawami
 

I was as the time at the beginning of the year easy. I just clicked settings, set up the drive for the explorer window, and there you go. I never did chats, but when I visited pub.keybase.com, I think it was com, I could then get a link to what ever I wanted. I stopped using it after zoom bought it as I don't really trust that partnership.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 2 Dec 2020, at 14:13, Governor staten wrote:

I find it difficult to work with Keybase with NVDA.




On 11/30/2020 7:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.








problem with links in email when using Thunderbird

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


Earlier, I posted a note where I explained that I wasn't able to activate a link in an email sent to this group using NVDA. I tried all the methods I'm aware of to no avail, and Brian has just confirmed that he can't access these links using T-bird when NVDA is not loaded. So it appears not to be an NVDA issue. I wonder if others who use T-bird are having problems accessing links in emails, such as those that appear at the end of messages sent to this group, where you may reply only to sender, mute the topic or reply to the whole group. If you have had issues activating such links, what was your fix? Or did you not find one?


Mary


Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Ann Byrne
 

She is using the desktop layout. At first NVDA read easily. Now it doesn't.


Re: Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

Dan Thompson
 

How can I join the presentation and when is it being on?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Welcoming you to my talk at NVDACon

 

I wanted to let everyone know how excited I am to present again at NVDACon and to tell you a bit about my talk.

 

I've asked the organizers to give me a full 90 minutes so there will be plenty of time for questions. My talk last year got cut off due to the previous presenter being late and their need to stay on schedule.

 

I also want to welcome beginners. So many of the NVDACon talks are aimed at more advanced users with eclectic interests. My goal is to be inclusive and insure no matter your skill level with NVDA and Windows, you will gain some knowledge from my presentation.

 

I'll be speaking about using NVDA to learn foreign languages. I'll talk about getting different language voices for Windows, setting up your keyboard to type foreign characters, using add-ons to make language switching easier and marking up documents to insure they read in the appropriate language. Most language learning today  involves use of a computer, and if you are a screen reader user, the process can be quite frustrating if you haven't mastered these tricks!

 

I also wish to welcome users who already work with multiple languages to chime in with their additions and corrections! As an American, I'm immersed in a culture that isn't truly interested in being bi-lingual or tri-lingual. In my own small way, I'm trying to change this, but I don't have other blind users to call on for advice, so I'm depending on you folks in the international community to become part of my presentation.

 

I'll ask people to mute when I'm talking, but I'm going to be sure there's plenty of time for feedback so we can all learn from each other.

 

I've sent a handout and an expanded description of my talk to the organizers, so I'm hoping they post it soon.

 

--Debee

 


Re: keybase

 

I find it difficult to work with Keybase with NVDA.




On 11/30/2020 7:42 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.








Re: NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which program are you using?


is the person also using a lap top? or a desk top.


insert and down arrow key for desk top and nvda key + A for a lap top if I remember right. To check which layout keyboard you are using use the ctrl key + nvda key + the letter K it will be the first option that tells you what you are using.

On 3/12/2020 10:54 am, Ann Byrne wrote:
My student was editing a new document, which read nicely with insert-down arrow. She had written three or four lines.  When she added the fifth line, insert-down arrow would read only one line at a time. Insert-end did not read the status, so I went to the status line to try to make it read.  Is there something one accidentally changes in the status line that would cause NVDA not to read continuously with insert-down arrow? Something under view?

Rescue would be awesome.

Thx,





NVDA reading only one line with NVDA-down arrow

Ann Byrne
 

My student was editing a new document, which read nicely with insert-down arrow. She had written three or four lines. When she added the fifth line, insert-down arrow would read only one line at a time. Insert-end did not read the status, so I went to the status line to try to make it read. Is there something one accidentally changes in the status line that would cause NVDA not to read continuously with insert-down arrow? Something under view?

Rescue would be awesome.

Thx,


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:
You will land on a option to choose the brailledisplay driver and press space to open this menu.
First, I do not have a Braille display connected, so this could be the difference, but the only control I see for Braille is the Download and install braille button.

If I SHIFT+TAB seventeen times I land on the checkbox for Sync the Narrator cursor and system focus, which is checked by default.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

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