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Re: Blogging with NVDA

Semirhage
 


So it seems between Chrome and fire fox then. Kinda nervous about both but I've got to jump in and work with one. Do you guys have preferences? I heard fire fox is better with messengers, but I want to work with blogs first I think.
Sem
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Re: Pasting problems in Word 2010

Quentin Christensen
 

You're welcome!  It's one of those features, that works really well when you know it exists and have a need for it, but if you're not expecting it can be very confusing.  It's one of the only instances I can think of - aside from silencing NVDA - where pressing the control key on its own actually does something.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. All was as you described it, and
the issue seems to be resolved.
Thanks a ton again!

On 6/18/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Bhavya,
>
> When you paste something into word, by default it keeps its original style,
> which, if you're copying something from one part of a document to another,
> is almost certainly what you want.  If you are copying from a web page or
> somewhere else you might want to convert to plain text or something else.
>
> In any case, when you paste something, a little hover icon thing appears
> and if you press CONTROL, that expands and you can choose the pasting style
> you want (the most common one I tend to use is control, then t (note you
> can't do it as one keystroke, you need to press control, let go then press
> t) to paste as plain text.
>
> So yes, if the next thing you do after pasting is something that involves
> control, it looks like that gets grabbed by the paste options.
>
> I don't have Word 2010 in front of me just at the minute, but in Word 2016
> at least, if you go into options then "advanced" there is a cut and paste
> section and one of the options (it's alt+o but might be safer to tab to it
> just in case) is "Show paste options button when content is pasted".  If
> you uncheck that, you won't get that control issue.
>
> If you do that, you can still get to the extra paste options by going to
> the paste option in the ribbon.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> In Microsoft Word 2010, one of the most annoying problems I am facing
>> is the constant reminder to choose the pasting style whenever I paste
>> something from a part of the document to another. If I arrow around,
>> then this doesn't appear, but only when I Ctrl + up/down arrow to
>> navigate by paragraphs.
>> I tried choosing default paste this time form the two options given
>> but in the Advanced Word Settings dialog it popped up too, I found all
>> types of pasting situations having already set default pasting
>> settings.
>> This gets very cumbersome when I need to navigate often by the pasted
>> section of text, as this pasting menu suddenly appears and obstructs
>> my path temporarily.
>> I would sincerely appreciate any assistance.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Warm Regards
>> Bhavya Shah
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>> reader for Microsoft Windows
>> To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/
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>> Reach me through the following means:
>> Mobile: +91 7506221750
>> E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
>> Skype id : bhavya.09
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Direct: +61 413 904 383
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>


--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09






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Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just looked and i think it is the first bug, so I think i will see the fix on tuesday our time in new zealand.


Gene nz



On 19/06/2016 11:54 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
How do NVDA users like the recent Chrome accessibility improvements?

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Most of the 5 issues that Felix reported on this list and that I filed via crbug.com have been fixed and the latest the changes may land is in Chrome Canary build on Monday.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just notice when I went into google chrome K that at times It would report the link 2 times.  This i noticed more in a list.


The version of google chrome K is Version 53.0.2768.1 canary


I just went into the about section and that read out ok and it seemed I could arrow up and down that section as well.


Where I noticed it read out two times was on the following website at http://www.stuff.co.nz

Jumping down by lists then using the letter K in nvda should be able to give you the result. I do not think there is a graphic for each link. the version of NVDA is 2016.2.1 and I am using a windows 10 machine.


Gene nz



On 19/06/2016 11:54 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
How do NVDA users like the recent Chrome accessibility improvements?

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Most of the 5 issues that Felix reported on this list and that I filed via crbug.com have been fixed and the latest the changes may land is in Chrome Canary build on Monday.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just notice when I went into google chrome K that at times It would report the link 2 times.  This i noticed more in a list.


The version of google chrome K is Version 53.0.2768.1 canary


I just went into the about section and that read out ok and it seemed I could arrow up and down that section as well.


Where I noticed it read out two times was on the following website at http://www.stuff.co.nz

Jumping down by lists then using the letter K in nvda should be able to give you the result. I do not think there is a graphic for each link. the version of NVDA is 2016.2.1 and I am using a windows 10 machine.


Gene nz



On 19/06/2016 11:54 AM, Kevin Chao wrote:
How do NVDA users like the recent Chrome accessibility improvements?

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Most of the 5 issues that Felix reported on this list and that I filed via crbug.com have been fixed and the latest the changes may land is in Chrome Canary build on Monday.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





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Re: Facebook with NVDA

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just tried it both ways.


It did not seem to mind if both were done at the same time or if one was
done just after. If the second choice was done I still held down the
capslock key and while still holding it down hit the say letter N to
take me into the nvda preferences menu. the machine here is a quick one
so do not know if that matters or not. I do not think so.


The NVDA key + the space bar to change between focus mode and browse
mode will work say on the web pages and also in microsoft word that I
have noticed.


Gene nz

On 18/06/2016 6:05 PM, Semirhage wrote:
Thanks,Jene. So capss lock then space. Do I release caps lock then
space or just press caps lock first then hold it while spacing? I
guess little things like that may matter LOL. I actually got it to
work once last night after writing this, and it gave the nice clicking
sound and I was all happy but it was mainly luck. LOL.
Sem
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.



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Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Nimer Jaber
 

I use Canary as default for all browsing with NVDA, and love it. Thank you so much.


On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 6:55 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
How do NVDA users like the recent Chrome accessibility improvements?

On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Most of the 5 issues that Felix reported on this list and that I filed via crbug.com have been fixed and the latest the changes may land is in Chrome Canary build on Monday.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try Performance degradation in current Firefox

Kevin Chao
 

How do NVDA users like the recent Chrome accessibility improvements?


On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
Most of the 5 issues that Felix reported on this list and that I filed via crbug.com have been fixed and the latest the changes may land is in Chrome Canary build on Monday.


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 11:10 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:

Based on previous report, I filed 5 bugs on crbug.com:


* [a11y] NVDA - navigating reports previously focused item+currently focused https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600150

* [a11y] NVDA Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600149

* [a11y] NVDA reports "unknown" with disconcerting frequency - 3+ times until Tab-key is pressed https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600145#

* [a11y] Autocorrection isn't reported by NVDA and moves caret unexpectedly https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600148

* [a11y] Backspace doesn't speak in contentEditables (e.g. message body in Inbox or GMail) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=600146


Please star/comment!


On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 8:11 AM Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:32 AM Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
Great! Indeed it looks like some things got ironed out.
Great that you've noticed some improvements within the week of them being reported on this list! :) 
For example, the document seems to reliably get NVDA's attention after pressing enter in the address field.
Excellent! Actionable feedback drives improvements. 
That's very good news. However, I'm not switching by a long shot.
View it as relative, not absolute switch. It's another tool in toolbox. 
Backspace doesn't speak in edit fields,
Is this *all* or a specific edit field(s)? If ladder, step to reproduce, please. Thanks! 
text I type sometimes gets scrambled
Same as above. Example with repro steps. What was done right before the "scramble" and what indicates that this "scramble" happened? 
because the caret doesn't move
Does NVDA report something indicating this? 
as expected when Chrome thinks it should autocorrect
Is there NVDA feedback for this? 
something, and it still says "unknown
Example with repro steps. 
" with disconcerting frequency
Examples that quantifies this frequency. e.g. I did xyz and it said "unknown" 3/5 times.  
. Moving through a paragraph in an edit field line by line will invariably announce the entire paragraph
Examples and repro steps. 
. And on inbox.google.com it will still announce what previously had focus
Is this when using TAB, NVDA quick-nav, or Inbox keyboard shortcut?  
rather than what just gained it.
Sorry for sounding more disappointed than I wanted to sound, but this is Google's own website with Google's own browser, so I was expecting that all of the basics would be covered.
It's about progress and there is no such thing as perfection... It'd be good if you're able to provide detailed specifics with repro steps using Chrome Send Feedback.
Still, here comes the positive ending note: Signing in works beautifully now. That's something I had been struggling with for a long time so as far as that's concerned I'm delighted.
Great about progress, but let's push forward with ensuring improvements where needed happen for NVDA!
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher



On Sat, 2 Apr 2016 at 14:02 Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:
Hello,

But what happens with Captcha solving in Chrome?

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 02/04/2016 09:52, Nimer Jaber ha scritto:
> Hello,
>
> I am very happy to say that my issues at least have been addressed,
> and that browsing with Chrome and NVDA is the best it has ever been.
>
> On 02-Apr-16 02:40, Kevin Chao wrote:
>> Please retry with latest build of Chrome Canary... Accessibility
>> improvements went in!
>> On Sun, Mar 27, 2016 at 4:08 PM Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hello,
>>
>>     Please find my answers below. I am hoping that some of these
>>     issues are just the way that my specific configuration is set up.
>>
>>
>>     On 27-Mar-16 17:55, Chris Mullins wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Nimer
>>>
>>>     Just a few questions:
>>>
>>>     Can I establish if you  are using Chrome or Canary?
>>>
>>     Canary
>>>
>>>     What is ChromeVox?
>>>
>>     Chromevox is Google's screen reading option that a user can
>>     enable while using Chrome or Chrome OS.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatically run say all on page
>>>     load’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked.
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for focus
>>>     changes’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Checked
>>
>>>     What is the status of the ‘automatic focus mode for caret
>>>     movement’ in  the NVDA Browse mode dialog?
>>>
>>     Unchecked
>>
>>
>>>     I have   Chrome and Canary and don’t get the same as you re
>>>     pressing tab to see the content in either version of the browser
>>>
>>>     The quick navigation keys operate when you are in browse mode
>>>     and I’ve not had trouble with them in standard web pages with
>>>     eiter browser but there is a problem with them in the settings
>>>     page of Chrome but they seem to work OK in the Canary settings page.
>>>
>>>     The chrome menu reads perfectly in chrome but there are a couple
>>>     of gaps in the Canary version after Zoom and Edit entries.
>>>
>>>     Cheers
>>>
>>>     Chris
>>>
>>>     *From:*Nimer Jaber [mailto:nimerjaber1@...]
>>>     *Sent:* 27 March 2016 22:37
>>>     *To:* nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: suggestion: giving google chrome a try [nvda]
>>>     Performance degradation in current Firefox
>>>
>>>     Unfortunately, Chrome accessibility has a bit of a ways to go. I
>>>     wish it didn't. I wish I could reliably use Chrome without the
>>>     strangeness that persists, but I can't. With Canary, some menu
>>>     items are not read out by NVDA, but are by Chromevox. Others are
>>>     read out by NVDA and not by Chromevox. I don't want two screen
>>>     reading packages running. When navigating the web and going to a
>>>     new web page, I seem to have to push tab after a new page loads,
>>>     otherwise NVDA doesn't seem to see the content on the page. When
>>>     doing a search on the Google page and when navigating around
>>>     Chrome in general, pressing H to navigate by heading only works
>>>     sometimes, but sometimes locks up until I again press tab to
>>>     force it to get back to the content. The sign-in process in
>>>     Chrome does not work with NVDA. I needed to use Window-eyes to
>>>     get it to read the content. JAWS was also unable to read it. And
>>>     I will post another thread about this, but Hangouts doesn't work
>>>     very well. the Hangouts app seems to be totally inaccessible to
>>>     next branches of NVDA and Canary. And the keyboard shortcuts
>>>     that Google outlines in their manual at
>>>     https://support.google.com/hangouts/answer/3112005?rd=1 don't
>>>     work when navigating to hangouts.google.com
>>>     <http://hangouts.google.com>, and the article doesn't specify
>>>     where exactly these shortcuts are supposed to work. Actually
>>>     many hotkeys that Google outlines interfere with
>>>     browser-specific hotkeys. So I would be happy to transition to
>>>     using Chrome, as Firefox is becoming awful, but that would mean
>>>     a huge loss of productivity for me. So if you have been able to
>>>     get Chrome to work more reliably, I am interested in which
>>>     version of Chrome and which version of NVDA, as well as any
>>>     settings changes that you have made for your specific set-up. If
>>>     this is localized to just me, I am willing to do some
>>>     troubleshooting, but on three computers Chrome's behavior seems
>>>     to be the same. About the only improvement I have seen to Chrome
>>>     Canary is that NVDA reads out a few additional menu items that
>>>     it wasn't reading before. I might try resetting Chrome back to
>>>     default settings and removing all plugins to see if that has any
>>>     effect, but this installation of Chrome is pretty new, so I'm
>>>     not sure if that will help or not.
>>>
>>>     Thanks.
>>>
>>>     On 3/27/2016 4:05 PM, Scott VanDeWalle wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hey.
>>>         I've been using chrome now for a couple of weeks now i believe.
>>>         It is pretty good for the most part.
>>>         hth
>>>
>>>         Scott
>>>
>>>         On 3/27/2016 9:20 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>
>>>             My problem with Firefox is that I am no longer able to
>>>             use the BBC iplayer. Every time I try to listen to
>>>             something, I get a message telling me that the Adobe
>>>             flash plugin has crashed. This particular plugin is up
>>>             to date and I have been having this problem since early
>>>             December. I know this is not anNVDA issue but would be
>>>             greatful if anyone has any ideas on how I can sort this
>>>             out. I have been using Firefox as my primary browser now
>>>             for nearly 9 and a half years.
>>>
>>>             *From:*mk360 <mailto:mk.seventhson@...>
>>>
>>>             *Sent:*Sunday, March 27, 2016 1:31 PM
>>>
>>>             *To:*nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
>>>
>>>             *Subject:*Re: [nvda] Performance degradation in current
>>>             Firefox
>>>
>>>             I've in firefox 45.0.1 and all is working fine.
>>>
>>>             El 27-03-2016 a las 8:46, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William
>>>             escribió:
>>>
>>>                 I see no problem with NVDA. I recommend you go onto
>>>                 google and search for about:config that can help
>>>                 improve firefox performace and that pretty helps.
>>>
>>>                 Kevin Chao 於27/3/201610:13 寫 道:
>>>
>>>                     One of Chrome's strengths is performance...I
>>>                     experience 0% lag with MVDA when interacting
>>>                     with modern web apps.
>>>
>>>                     On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:11 PM Supanut
>>>                     Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I noticed performance issues with Firefox as
>>>                         well, but not just with NVDA, but Jaws as
>>>                         well, especially on Facebook where the
>>>                         browser lags. Firefox seemed to perform
>>>                         poorly on my Surface 3, despite not having
>>>                         any addons installed.
>>>
>>
>
>





Your First NVDA App Module: Session 0 posted, session 1 to be held on June 25, 2016 at NVDACon Korea TT server

 

Hi everyone,

 

Session 0 (overview) from Your First NVDA App Module course is now available:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdaAppMod0.mp3

 

Also, session 1 (app module introduction) will be held on June 25, 2016 at 11 AM Pacific (18:00 UTC) at NVDACon Korea TeamTalk Server (nvda-kr.org). You need TT5 (be sure to install TT5 Classic client) and enter the following server information:

 

·         URL: nvda-kr.org

·         TCP: 10333

·         UDP: 10333

·         No username or password required.

·         Channel will be root (nvdachat).

 

If you are interested in learning to write app modules, please think about an app you feel an app module could be useful by session 1. For those who’d like to use this opportunity as a stepping stone for contributing to NVDA Core development, please checkout NVDA source code (git clone –recursive https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda) as we’ll be using app modules in there as examples. For people not interested in coding, don’t worry – a backstage tour will be provided to show you how app modules work behind the scenes. For those who cannot make it, audio recordings of each session will be provided shortly after the session ends.

 

P.S. If you know anyone in your language community who’d like to write app modules, please feel free to invite them. Also, other app module experts are more than welcome to chime in their expertise during course sessions.

 

See you on June 25th.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Blogging with NVDA

Kevin Chao
 

Microsoft is 100% dedicated to Edge and has left Internet Explorer behind.
Edge accessibility is improving, but a lot slower than we'd like, so it's recommended to explore third-party browsers (e.g. Chrome, Firefox, etc).
Historically, FIrefox has worked great with NVDA, but Chrome a11y has been rapidly itterating and closing the gap with screen readers.

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 5:45 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Internet Explorer will become increasingly archaic over time. 
It still receives security updates but Microsoft no longer develops it.  Learning how to use Firefox, after the minor interface changes, will both give you access to a truly current browser, and it will, one hopes, make you more comfortable about learning about how to work with changes in other programs as they occur.
 
I am not advocating never using IE11.  There are times when IE11 and Chrome work better with this or that page, perhaps significantly better. 
 
But you may become a more versatile and accomplished user by trying to learn how to work with the changes in Firefox as well as use a much more current and better thought of browser.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blogging with NVDA

What changes?  There have been some changes to the options dialog.  It still retains its old form but now there is no ok button and it's structure is technically more like a web page.  But the user still experiences it pretty much as a ddialog.  You may have to do certain things to get it to work, such as turn off browse mode after you open options.  Similar changes were made in the add ons interface.
 
Please ask about things here when changes occur so you can see if the changes are just minor annoyances or differences or if they really mean something.  In most cases, Firefox has been superior for years.  It is far better to consult here and try to learn the new changes than switch browsers. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Semirhage
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blogging with NVDA

Hi. Thanks. I'll try warders.
So you don't  think I.E would work as well as firefox or is it just what you
use? I used to like firefox  few years back but after all the changes I use
IE mostly.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.





windows insider mouse error Version 1607 (OS Build 14366.0)

Oriol Gómez <ogomez.s92@...>
 

hi all,
On the latest insider build there is a problem with NVDA, the mouse
will not move, so you can't access many things including parts of
websites with any browser etc.
Is this a known issue?
How can we fix it? This happens using the latest master snapshot.
ARe the devs aware of this?

On 6/18/16, Lauren Merryfield <lauren@...> wrote:
Hi,

How do you rename a folder/file? Using windows ten and office 365.

Thanks,

Lauren



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peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and
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Re: Blogging with NVDA

Gene
 

Internet Explorer will become increasingly archaic over time. 
It still receives security updates but Microsoft no longer develops it.  Learning how to use Firefox, after the minor interface changes, will both give you access to a truly current browser, and it will, one hopes, make you more comfortable about learning about how to work with changes in other programs as they occur.
 
I am not advocating never using IE11.  There are times when IE11 and Chrome work better with this or that page, perhaps significantly better. 
 
But you may become a more versatile and accomplished user by trying to learn how to work with the changes in Firefox as well as use a much more current and better thought of browser.. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blogging with NVDA

What changes?  There have been some changes to the options dialog.  It still retains its old form but now there is no ok button and it's structure is technically more like a web page.  But the user still experiences it pretty much as a ddialog.  You may have to do certain things to get it to work, such as turn off browse mode after you open options.  Similar changes were made in the add ons interface.
 
Please ask about things here when changes occur so you can see if the changes are just minor annoyances or differences or if they really mean something.  In most cases, Firefox has been superior for years.  It is far better to consult here and try to learn the new changes than switch browsers. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Semirhage
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blogging with NVDA

Hi. Thanks. I'll try warders.
So you don't  think I.E would work as well as firefox or is it just what you
use? I used to like firefox  few years back but after all the changes I use
IE mostly.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.





Re: Blogging with NVDA

Gene
 

What changes?  There have been some changes to the options dialog.  It still retains its old form but now there is no ok button and it's structure is technically more like a web page.  But the user still experiences it pretty much as a ddialog.  You may have to do certain things to get it to work, such as turn off browse mode after you open options.  Similar changes were made in the add ons interface.
 
Please ask about things here when changes occur so you can see if the changes are just minor annoyances or differences or if they really mean something.  In most cases, Firefox has been superior for years.  It is far better to consult here and try to learn the new changes than switch browsers. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Semirhage
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blogging with NVDA

Hi. Thanks. I'll try warders.
So you don't  think I.E would work as well as firefox or is it just what you
use? I used to like firefox  few years back but after all the changes I use
IE mostly.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.





Re: Blogging with NVDA

Semirhage
 

Thanks. If I end up having to go to firefox I will definitely be asking you so thanks.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: Blogging with NVDA

Marco Oros
 

I prefer to use a Firefox. Threre are some problems in Chrome, maybe It'll be in Internet explorer.
Also, there is a great plugin for firefox for the blind people. You can easily contact me about those things. I know also another people, who knows maybe more, like me.
We don't know everything, We know only something, or something news.


Re: Blogging with NVDA

Semirhage
 

Hi. Thanks. I'll try warders.
So you don't think I.E would work as well as firefox or is it just what you use? I used to like firefox few years back but after all the changes I use IE mostly.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: Blogging with NVDA

Marco Oros
 

I use a Wordpress with Mozilla Firefox and NVDA.
It worked a great to me. It is very great, althought some things maybe are not accessible. But You can blogging via the Wordpress very good and I prefer a Firefox.


Re: Pasting problems in Word 2010

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Quentin,
Thanks for the detailed explanation. All was as you described it, and
the issue seems to be resolved.
Thanks a ton again!

On 6/18/16, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Bhavya,

When you paste something into word, by default it keeps its original style,
which, if you're copying something from one part of a document to another,
is almost certainly what you want. If you are copying from a web page or
somewhere else you might want to convert to plain text or something else.

In any case, when you paste something, a little hover icon thing appears
and if you press CONTROL, that expands and you can choose the pasting style
you want (the most common one I tend to use is control, then t (note you
can't do it as one keystroke, you need to press control, let go then press
t) to paste as plain text.

So yes, if the next thing you do after pasting is something that involves
control, it looks like that gets grabbed by the paste options.

I don't have Word 2010 in front of me just at the minute, but in Word 2016
at least, if you go into options then "advanced" there is a cut and paste
section and one of the options (it's alt+o but might be safer to tab to it
just in case) is "Show paste options button when content is pasted". If
you uncheck that, you won't get that control issue.

If you do that, you can still get to the extra paste options by going to
the paste option in the ribbon.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
wrote:

Dear all,
In Microsoft Word 2010, one of the most annoying problems I am facing
is the constant reminder to choose the pasting style whenever I paste
something from a part of the document to another. If I arrow around,
then this doesn't appear, but only when I Ctrl + up/down arrow to
navigate by paragraphs.
I tried choosing default paste this time form the two options given
but in the Advanced Word Settings dialog it popped up too, I found all
types of pasting situations having already set default pasting
settings.
This gets very cumbersome when I need to navigate often by the pasted
section of text, as this pasting menu suddenly appears and obstructs
my path temporarily.
I would sincerely appreciate any assistance.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
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reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
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--
Warm Regards
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Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: Pasting problems in Word 2010

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bhavya,

When you paste something into word, by default it keeps its original style, which, if you're copying something from one part of a document to another, is almost certainly what you want.  If you are copying from a web page or somewhere else you might want to convert to plain text or something else.

In any case, when you paste something, a little hover icon thing appears and if you press CONTROL, that expands and you can choose the pasting style you want (the most common one I tend to use is control, then t (note you can't do it as one keystroke, you need to press control, let go then press t) to paste as plain text.

So yes, if the next thing you do after pasting is something that involves control, it looks like that gets grabbed by the paste options.

I don't have Word 2010 in front of me just at the minute, but in Word 2016 at least, if you go into options then "advanced" there is a cut and paste section and one of the options (it's alt+o but might be safer to tab to it just in case) is "Show paste options button when content is pasted".  If you uncheck that, you won't get that control issue.

If you do that, you can still get to the extra paste options by going to the paste option in the ribbon.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,
In Microsoft Word 2010, one of the most annoying problems I am facing
is the constant reminder to choose the pasting style whenever I paste
something from a part of the document to another. If I arrow around,
then this doesn't appear, but only when I Ctrl + up/down arrow to
navigate by paragraphs.
I tried choosing default paste this time form the two options given
but in the Advanced Word Settings dialog it popped up too, I found all
types of pasting situations having already set default pasting
settings.
This gets very cumbersome when I need to navigate often by the pasted
section of text, as this pasting menu suddenly appears and obstructs
my path temporarily.
I would sincerely appreciate any assistance.
Thanks.

--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09






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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
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Pasting problems in Word 2010

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
In Microsoft Word 2010, one of the most annoying problems I am facing
is the constant reminder to choose the pasting style whenever I paste
something from a part of the document to another. If I arrow around,
then this doesn't appear, but only when I Ctrl + up/down arrow to
navigate by paragraphs.
I tried choosing default paste this time form the two options given
but in the Advanced Word Settings dialog it popped up too, I found all
types of pasting situations having already set default pasting
settings.
This gets very cumbersome when I need to navigate often by the pasted
section of text, as this pasting menu suddenly appears and obstructs
my path temporarily.
I would sincerely appreciate any assistance.
Thanks.

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Bhavya Shah
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