On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 01:52 AM, Luke Davis wrote:

Is that a reasonable assumption though?

Sure it is.  But even if it isn't, I don't work for NVAccess, and I don't code in python.  When someone's offered to do something, for free, that you want done then you can either accept or decline.  If someone else wants to step up to do this, then have at it.

I presume someone asking for this sort of thing has been a long term JAWS user, who has compiled an extensive dictionary, and does not want to have to start over again from scratch when starting to use NVDA.  So far, based on those who've contacted me, that presumption has been valid.

And you've been around long enough to have seen me make the statement that any screen reader user should have at least basic competence in a screen reader other than their preferred one.  With NVDA and Narrator available, JAWS users have no excuse, and with Narrator available NVDA users have no excuse.  There are times when any screen reader "doesn't play well" with a given thing that another screen reader will.  It's gonna happen, so it makes sense to be prepared for when it does.
 
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Moderator Note:  I am allowing this to go out to the group because the sort of information requested is very difficult to find, and this is a group on which certain members may have the expertise to guide appropriately.  The other day, Tyler Spivey recommended that another member asking detailed questions in regard to python programming look at the list here:   https://www.freelists.org/list/program-l.  I advise this poster to do the same.  I will promptly lock the topic, as it is not meaningfully NVDA related.  Please respond to the original poster using the Reply to Sender link at the end of the message.  - Brian Vogel -

Hello.

I'm a researcher at the University of Washington. We are putting together the first-ever accessible instance of the summer program, AI4ALL.
AI4ALL aims to introduce highschoolers from underrepresented groups to artificial intelligence via a summer program.
My team and I are trying very hard to adapt all the learning material that the national AI4ALL organization made available (this is a basic Artificial Intelligence curriculum) and we are struggling.
The current curriculum is heavily python-based with a reliance on the scikit python library. So my preference is to be able to use the library, but find accessible programming environments that could still make use of the base code. 
We have been trying to work with Quorum, the accessible IDE and language, to create wrappers for the python libraries, with no success thus far.

I looked up information about accessibility and python and found your group, with the most recent relevant thread dating to 2016, pointing at EdSharp, but it looks like that project has not been updated in a while and there is no one currently maintaining it on github, so I'm leery of asking young students to use something that isn't currently supported.

Does anyone here have any ideas? have you had experience coding in python in any environment that was NVDA-friendly?
Looking at our larger goals (of integrating a bunch of python notebooks into accessible learning materials) do you have any other suggestions?

Thank you in advance for any advice you can offer.

Kind regards,

Anat Caspi, PhD
Director, Taskar Center for Accessible Technology 
University of Washington

Hi

Thanks. I am using MP3 Direct Cut 2.19 and had already turned off Big
Timer, but it made no difference.

I will try a different version.

Pele

This feature has been reverted or is not set as default beginning with
'alpha-20145,cdd37c72'.

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John Doe

On Sun, 3 May 2020, Brian Vogel wrote:

much more I can do.I do not code in Python, so I won't be doing this as an NVDA add-on.  Given the nature of what's needed, a stand-alone utility (which is
what I've tried to create) should be fine, anyway, as this is generally a "one and done" event for a JAWS dictionary to be converted for appending to the
appropriate NVDA dictionary.

Is that a reasonable assumption though?
How many people use both Jaws and NVDA?
Haven't you yourself advised having more than one screen reader, on the multiple tools theory?

Wouldn't it therefore make more sense as an add-on that scans Jaws dictionaries on the system, and updates NVDA's dictionary on startup?
Or vice-versa, if that's possible?

Luke

Hi

I forgot to say i used google chrome at the time.

Gene nz

You need to specify what program you are using when asking such
questions. What you see may vary dependding on what browser you are
using.

Gene

Hi

Just had a play I jumped to the heading of the article I wanted to find out more about then pressed the enter key. When the next page come up I went to top of pag then jumped to the heading with letter H then letter G for graphic then enter then it played the video.

It looks as though there might be graphics in the heading as well as a link. But even jumping down by graphics to the story then enter key the player is on the next page as mentioned before just go to top of page then heading of it then G for graphic then enter and it plays I done it a couple of times to different ones.

Gene nz

So is Edge the best solution for reading pdfs right now? That's
unfortunate if it is...

On 5/5/20, Sascha Cowley via groups.io
<sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my experience, Acrobat is even clunkier than it used to be. I still
keep it around as it's slightly better with some tagged PDFs, and I
often need to fill PDF forms, which Edge doesn't support.

On 6/05/2020 07:39, Clement Chou wrote:

Thanks. I'll give that a try... last time I tried adobe reader it was
a bit clunky at best... hopefully things have improved a little. Just
wanted to see what others were using.

On 5/5/20, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi.
You might want to try adobe acrobat. There is a free version. You can
have
pdfs open in adobe and read them that way if you like.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clement
Chou
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:43 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] PDF Alternative Apart from Edge?

Been using Edge to read PDF's for awhile now, but am trying to find one
that's more dedicated and that works better than Edge. Any
recommendations?
Adobe products still the best solution? Or is there a more accesible
alternative?

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 05:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

The original poster (not Cecelia) is a spammer) and was banned by Groups.IO.

This is one of the reasons I have strong reservations about even approving messages of the "Saying Hello" type.  Spammers very often use this as a technique to gain entry.  I will be discussing this with the group owner.   Although I hesitate to do anything to reduce the sense anyone has of feeling welcome, one can do an "introduction/saying hello" as part of their first post with a question or answer. 

The risks from approving messages with no content beyond a "hello" are becoming higher than I'd like.
 
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In my experience, Acrobat is even clunkier than it used to be. I still keep it around as it's slightly better with some tagged PDFs, and I often need to fill PDF forms, which Edge doesn't support.

You're welcome ☺

Thanks. I'll give that a try... last time I tried adobe reader it was
a bit clunky at best... hopefully things have improved a little. Just
wanted to see what others were using.

Welcome

Hi.
You might want to try adobe acrobat. There is a free version. You can have pdfs open in adobe and read them that way if you like.

Well I am using version 14 which is totally accessible but for the problem with the checkbboxes.
Andrea

Been using Edge to read PDF's for awhile now, but am trying to find
one that's more dedicated and that works better than Edge. Any
recommendations? Adobe products still the best solution? Or is there a
more accesible alternative?