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Re: changing the function key

 

I have a System Model HP 15 Notebook PC so I will do some digging. None of the CNA's and stuff are tech savy like I am so freak out when I want them to read stuff on the screen to me, such as BIOS. I will keep looking though!


Re: How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Gene
 

What program did you use?  What happened?  At this point, we don't know if the problem is that the cd drive doesn't have the proper driver and isn't functioning or that you tried to use a program that didn't work or that you used incorrectly. 
 
Gene

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Subject: [nvda] How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to
work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a
music cd?


Thanks,


Arnthor Helgason



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Re: How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Albert Ruel
 

Someone recommended AnyBurn to me and I've used it successfully. I've not been able to burn DAISY books with it though, so they become MP3 books instead.

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Subject: [nvda] How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a music cd?


Thanks,


Arnthor Helgason



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How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Arnþór Helgason
 

Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a music cd?


Thanks,


Arnthor Helgason



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Vináttusendiherra/Friendship Ambassador
Formaður/chairman
Kínversk-íslenska menningarfélagsins
Icelandic Chinese Cultural Society
Tjarnarbóli 14,
170 Seltjarnarnesi.
Sími | Phone: +354 5611703
Farsími | Mobile: +354 8973766
arnthor.helgason@simnet.is
arnthor.helgason@gmail.com
kim@kim.is

http://kim.is
http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is
http://hljod.blog.is


Re: changing the function key

Gene
 

I should add that I'm not advocating for or against using this as a permanent solution.  But if you only want to use it as a temporary solution, it may work until you get the setting changed.  If you don't want to take a chance on problems when booting or rebooting, you may want to remove the tape before rebooting or shutting down or using sleep or stand by.  I don't know if any problems might result if the key is left taped down.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

As I understand it, the problem you describe won't occur.  When the fn key is down, it is equivalent to it being up under traditional operation.  I haven't heard that the effect of this change is limited to specific keys.  Indeed, I heard someone say, on another list, that they couldn't use alt f4 under this change because f4 was being treated as a function key combination.  As far as restart is concerned, I have no idea if there will be any effect. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down.  it also might not register properly when the machine restarts.  It sounds like it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this setting once and for all.  At least, once it's done you can just use the PC normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
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Re: changing the function key

Gene
 

As I understand it, the problem you describe won't occur.  When the fn key is down, it is equivalent to it being up under traditional operation.  I haven't heard that the effect of this change is limited to specific keys.  Indeed, I heard someone say, on another list, that they couldn't use alt f4 under this change because f4 was being treated as a function key combination.  As far as restart is concerned, I have no idea if there will be any effect. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down.  it also might not register properly when the machine restarts.  It sounds like it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this setting once and for all.  At least, once it's done you can just use the PC normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
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Brian

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Re: changing the function key

Quentin Christensen
 

Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down.  it also might not register properly when the machine restarts.  It sounds like it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this setting once and for all.  At least, once it's done you can just use the PC normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
--
Brian

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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: changing the function key

 

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

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Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Chris
 

 

Use narrator instead of nvda until you reset it

Or whatever you need to do

 

 


Re: New member

adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko@...>
 

if anyone would like to contact me, please do this privately. seems
like this is a high traffic group and i am not so techy.

On 12/15/16, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
Welcome to the NVDA family dear Adrijana.

On 12/15/16, adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko@gmail.com> wrote:
Just joined here so thought to say hi. My name is Adrijana and I am a
blind lady of 37. I live in Macedonia and ework as a teacher. It would
be cool to make cool friends here and discuss NVDA stuff. If anyone
can help me get my elekwence voice back and save it successfully, you
can email me at:
adrijana.prokopenko@gmail.com






Re: changing the function key

Gene
 

From what I've seen on another list, this may be able to be changed on some computers in Windows.  But I don't know where.  I haven't tried this and I don't know if it will present any problems such as in booting, but one thing I've thought might work as a work around would be to simply tape the function key down.  Perhaps something like scotch tape might serve.  Masking tape, if left in place for a long time, for some reason has the adhesive become very sticky and clingy.  I would therefore consider it unsuitable for this purpose except for a short time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] changing the function key

Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are
defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I have
to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without going
into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with the BIOS
so is there a work around?



changing the function key

 

Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I have to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without going into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with the BIOS so is there a work around?


Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Doug Lawlor
 

Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating. 

Doug


Douglas Lawlor


On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Doug,

          Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane?   It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate.  I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
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Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

 

Doug,

          Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane?   It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate.  I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Chris
 

Have you tried recoverying it through the settings app?

 

 


Reinstalling Windows 10

Doug Lawlor
 

Hello all,

I know there are more appropriate   lists I should be posting this on but I need an answer as soon as I can get one. 

I have a Windows 10 laptop that is totally unusable and need to install Windows 10 from a working image I have on a USB drive. How can I restart Windows into Safe mode where I can do this? I'm getting program Manager not responding from NVDA so I know there is a problem where a reinstall of Windows would be the best option. It would be really wonderful if one could install Windows without sited assistance but that's still not possible as far as I'm aware.  


Thanks, 


Doug



Douglas Lawlor


Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors

 

Hi,
The following is a bit technical, so please bear with me for a second:
Almost two decades ago, many microprocessor manufacturers noted that the
32-bit 4 GB limit would be reached within a few years, hence development of
64-bit processors began. Intel and AMD took two different routes: Intel came
up with a completely different 64-bit architecture than that of Pentium,
while AMD extended Pentium's language and made it work with 64-bit data.
Eventually, Intel adopted AMD's approach, hence you'll find that even for
Intel processors, the architecture name is AMD64 (technically called
x86-64). Modern 64-bit processors from Intel and AMD can run 32-bit software
such as NVDA because they can understand 32-bit instructions natively in
hardware, and Windows and other operating systems have mechanisms to allow
32-bit software to run under 64-bit operating systems (I'll describe this
process from start to finish upon request).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. To Derek and other devs: at some point, we should explain what WoW64
is.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis
Siegel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A
word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd
processors

Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel
processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info,
it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information),
then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on.
It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work
on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop
processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently,
these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse
2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that
machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second
machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the
old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for
and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to
turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1
percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent,
but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I
only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer
countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on
them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so
many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name
but two.


Brian

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intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info, it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information), then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on. It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently, these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>

On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse 2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1 percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent, but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name but two.


Brian

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Re: New member

 

Welcome to the NVDA family dear Adrijana.

On 12/15/16, adrijana prokopenko <adrijana.prokopenko@gmail.com> wrote:
Just joined here so thought to say hi. My name is Adrijana and I am a
blind lady of 37. I live in Macedonia and ework as a teacher. It would
be cool to make cool friends here and discuss NVDA stuff. If anyone
can help me get my elekwence voice back and save it successfully, you
can email me at:
adrijana.prokopenko@gmail.com




Re: Vocalizer expressive for Nuance

 

I totally agree. Even the current version of Tifflotecnia's Vocalizer add on worked relatively fine. Though I also want an update, I'd prefer an update that is fully finished rather than half finished. By this I mean an update that is stable and well tested, rather than a rushed update that is not stable and full of bugs.