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Accessible Python IDE?e

 

Hi, sorry if this may sound off-topic...

I'm starting a Python programming university course next week, and I want to know, is there any Python IDE that is both portable and accessible with NVDA?

Thank you


Re: espeak

Tyler Spivey
 

On 4/22/2016 3:07 AM, Patrick Le Baudour wrote:
Hello,

i have a hard time understanding sapi voices above 85%, so speed may be
the factor that'd make me use eSpeak, but I have one problem, there are
too many languages and, as far as I know, no easy way to switch only
between a few "favorites" ones. Is there anything I missed that'd allow
easier multilanguage use ?

-- Patrick.



Re: espeak

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hello,

i have a hard time understanding sapi voices above 85%, so speed may be the factor that'd make me use eSpeak, but I have one problem, there are too many languages and, as far as I know, no easy way to switch only between a few "favorites" ones. Is there anything I missed that'd allow easier multilanguage use ?

-- Patrick.


Re: espeak

Peter Beasley
 

I asume these voices are american whereas I prefere a british voice.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 2:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Hi, Brian,

I like the David voice. He sounds pretty good--in fact, much better than microsoft Anna.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows: Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers. If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.




Brian
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Re: Thanks for mucking up my message rules :

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

It was said in a previous mail, it is due to the creation of the subgroups.
Now both addresses are valid.


-- Patrick.

Le 22/04/2016 09:55, Brian's Mail list account a écrit :
It seems that there are messages coming from the list now from
nvda@nvda.groups.io, as well as nvda@groups.io

I have added the new address to my rule. Can anyone shed any light on this?
Brian

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Thanks for mucking up my message rules :

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

It seems that there are messages coming from the list now from nvda@nvda.groups.io, as well as nvda@groups.io

I have added the new address to my rule. Can anyone shed any light on this?
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Re: espeak

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

This is the sort of helpful message that should not get to the list. its a personal view and usually starts an argument of my synth is better than yours etc, which is not true, better for a given person certainly, but everybody hears things differently. i find Espeak in English very clear, and have made Quincy to suit my personal needs for a less sing song voice than the normal default. I would notdare to say that this is better in any context, just different.
I also find a fair few of the demos one can hear on line have the speed of speech far too fast for me to understand, but once again, that is me, some brains are capable of listening that fast, but I wouldh have to say if doing an audio tutorial and expecting people to follow it, slow the voice right down as the voice is your choice of voice, but otheres will have difficulty if it is not what they would choose themselves.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Beasley" <pjbeasley23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak


As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.

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Re: espeak

Rob
 

Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello I think the
tt synth is a port of IBM via voice for linux
You're thinking of Voxin, I think. And it is sold for five bucks a license.


Re: espeak

 

Hello I think the
tt synth is a port of IBM via voice for linux

On 4/21/2016 8:18 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well thing is you would have to hear it to see if it sucks or not free tts is one that come to mind.
Another thing is the tt synth eloquence like synth for linux sold for 30 bucks but I am not sure if its an eloquence port or what exactly it is.



On 22/04/2016 9:21 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak,
and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better
alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of
NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise
please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can
do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing
for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.


Re: espeak

 

well thing is you would have to hear it to see if it sucks or not free tts is one that come to mind.
Another thing is the tt synth eloquence like synth for linux sold for 30 bucks but I am not sure if its an eloquence port or what exactly it is.

On 22/04/2016 9:21 a.m., Antony Stone wrote:
If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak,
and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better
alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of
NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise
please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can
do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C standing
for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.


Re: espeak

 

I agree on that, but having tried my powerfull sapi5 realspeak as supposed to espeak for simple nav hmmm.
That doesn't mean I won't have a reading and non reading voice.
Espeak reminds me of the keynote gold and max is the best a second would be the nv speech player v1 or the enhanced espeak engine for nv speech.
I'd still like that devlopped.
The only other synth is eloquence, but the old sapi4 one that comes on some windoweyes disks and old symbian, there is a 16 bit version on symbian and also some more recent implimentations released on supernova but they just sound wrong.

On 22/04/2016 1:53 p.m., Chris Shook wrote:
Hey all,
In my opinion, Espeak is one of the better electronic synthesizers. It's
a lot better than dectalk anyway, but having said that, I'm not that
fond of Espeak, elequence, or dectalk. I prefer a more human sounding
voice to read to me. It's probably best if we all remember two things.
1. NVDA is free. The screen reader itself surpasses the commercial
screen readers in a lot of ways, and you don't have to pay a dime.
2. Other synthesizers are available for purchase. Codefactories
vocalizer expressive and elequence is the cheapest package of them all
and the vocalizer expressive voices are very good.



Re: Let NVDACon countdown and conference begin!

 

Well looks like I am out for the first day allready, I have friends on that day in fact I was supposed to make another engagement that day to but I may not make that either because I have friends in, offline friends that is.

On 22/04/2016 10:58 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hello everyone,



We're about to start NVDACon International 2016, starting with the
conference opener/open forum at 00:00 UTC on April 22, 2016 (5 PM Pacific on
the 21st). For more info on NVDACon and the schedule, go to
www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php <http://www.nvda-kr.org/en/nvdacon.php> . See
you all there.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA dictation bridge

 

Its a pitty the cheapest perk is only 50 bucks I'd gladly put 10-20 bucks in but 50, I actually need to stop investing in things, especially if I want to upgrade to fibre, get newer coms hardware and other things like upgrade some of the hardware well a old server which needs to be taken to heven.
So I really need to watch who and what I invest in.

On 22/04/2016 1:27 p.m., Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Josh,



Thanks for posting. Lucy Greco and I will be talking about DictationBridge on NVDACon. It is the first lightening talk to be held on 22 April at 17:00 UTC.



Please be there.

Pranav

From: Josh Kennedy [mailto:joshknnd1982@...]
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 12:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA dictation bridge







-------- Forwarded Message --------


Subject:

dictation bridge


Date:

Thu, 21 Apr 2016 11:43:18 -0700


From:

lucia greco <mailto:lucy@...> <lucy@...>


Reply-To:

eyes-free@... <mailto:eyes-free@...>


To:

eyes-free <mailto:eyes-free@...> <eyes-free@...>, accessible <mailto:accessible@...> <accessible@...>



hello and apology for the cross posting.

I am part of a team that is wanting to expand access of blind screen reader users to dictation products. we are currently running an INDIEGOGO campaign to achieve this goal.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge#/
if your interested in being able to use ms speech recognition with a screen reader or dragon naturally speaking this product is for you.

we already have a prototype that can echo back dictation in to g-mail and other windows apps. we can't yet interact with all of the windows elements that we hope to but will do so shortly when we receive our funding. please share this campaign widely and think about joining us by donating to this free and open source product to make it available to every one Lucy




lucia Greco
http://accessaces.com
follow me on twitter @accessaces


Re: espeak

Rob
 

Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I like max, I actually tried the ng varient and unless its just me or my
speaker setup is set up different while there is a small improvement in
quality I can't tell the difference.
I agree. They all basically sound the same. But then I'm also severely hearing impaired too.


Re: espeak

 

I like max, I actually tried the ng varient and unless its just me or my speaker setup is set up different while there is a small improvement in quality I can't tell the difference.

On 22/04/2016 9:46 a.m., Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Anthony,

I agree here. I've tried other synths and E-speak is the clearest of them all. I'm using the Max variant and it's very clear. Instead of complaining, we should be grateful for such a great screen reader like NVDA. Mick and Jamy have done a terrific job with it.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: Antony Stone [mailto:Antony.Stone@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

If anyone can suggest an open source synthesiser which is better than espeak, and which NVDA could include, then please suggest it.

Complaints such as "X is crap" without any proposal for what would be a better alternative, are rather useless.

Do people here really expect Mick and Jamie, plus the other developers of NVDA, to create a speech synthesiser as well as a screenreader?

By all means offer better alternatives to what is available, but otherwise please remember that this is free software, and if you don't like what it can do, there are more expensive alternatives.


Antony.

On Thursday 21 April 2016 at 22:58:24, Peter Beasley wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Espeak should be called C speak. The C
standing for crap.

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] espeak

i for one would love to have sapi version of espeak-ng with edward voice.
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Re: Need Help Activating Acapela Voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Kelly,
Sorry I have no clue why you would be getting that error message. Hopefully the people at Acapela will be able to help you.
Sorry I couldn't be more help.
Chris


Re: espeak

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hey all,
In my opinion, Espeak is one of the better electronic synthesizers. It's a lot better than dectalk anyway, but having said that, I'm not that fond of Espeak, elequence, or dectalk. I prefer a more human sounding voice to read to me. It's probably best if we all remember two things.
1. NVDA is free. The screen reader itself surpasses the commercial screen readers in a lot of ways, and you don't have to pay a dime.
2. Other synthesizers are available for purchase. Codefactories vocalizer expressive and elequence is the cheapest package of them all and the vocalizer expressive voices are very good.


Re: espeak

Devin Prater
 

I'd love the new Microsoft voices, but they're terribly laggy.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 21, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Brian,

I like the David voice. He sounds pretty good--in fact, much better than microsoft Anna.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows: Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers. If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.




Brian
--
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
~ H.L. Mencken











Re: espeak

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

I like the David voice. He sounds pretty good--in fact, much better than microsoft Anna.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:@britechguy]
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 6:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows: Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers. If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.




Brian
--
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
~ H.L. Mencken


Re: espeak

 

Since I know there's at least one Windows 10 user that's commented here (and I think these might be available on Windows 8.1, too) you should definitely give the SAPI 5 synthesizer with either of the two voices included with Windows:  Zira (female) or David (male).

These are by far and away the most natural sounding voices I've heard in my years working with screen readers.  If you're a fast typist they don't keep up with you on a letter-by-letter basis, if that's important.

 

Brian
-- 
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
      ~ H.L. Mencken