I am looking for information about how to know or recognize if a Thunderbird email has an attachment and how to save it. I have not found anything on the links that were recommended.

Much to learn~!

Thank you.

Grant Metcalf, a.k.a. Grandpa DOS

Email: the.gems@...

Home: (650) 589-6890

 

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I presume you're talking about the Backup and Restore (Windows 7) utility that is, as of this writing, still a part of Windows 10.  Don't use it, as its core component has ceased development and was deprecated all the way back in Version 1709.  Microsoft recommends using the third-party utility of your choosing.

Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7)]

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

Hmmmm, then what programs are there that are accessible to do this?  I would be mostly interested in free if possible.

Dan Beaver

I presume you're talking about the Backup and Restore (Windows 7) utility that is, as of this writing, still a part of Windows 10.  Don't use it, as its core component has ceased development and was deprecated all the way back in Version 1709.  Microsoft recommends using the third-party utility of your choosing.

Microsoft Announcement of Deprecated Features, including SIB [Backup and Restore (Windows 7)]

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

      ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 

 

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Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)

There is a column in Thunderbird that indicates that a message has an
attachment, and I believe it's visible by default, though I don't know where
it falls in the default column order as I've shifted columns around so many
times for testing that I do not remember the original order. The Mozilla
Apps Enhancements (
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html ) add-on
includes commands specifically dedicated to making it easy to rearrange
columns and/or show and hide columns in Thunderbird.

The following is a brief tutorial I wrote as part of the "cheat sheets" I
make for my tutoring clients when they're getting started with a screen
reader and are using Thunderbird. The first bit about the Quick Folder Key
Navigation extension is something that anyone using a screen reader with
Thunderbird needs to do as soon as they possibly can, if they haven't done
it already.
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*Thunderbird e-mail client*

IMPORTANT: For those using Thunderbird with a screen reader I strongly
suggest installing the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension. This allows
you to jump from folder in the folder tree using first letter navigation to
move between them. Without it, this does not always work. You will only
need to install this extension once for any instance of Thunderbird you
might be using. If you are using JAWS or NVDA, searching for this add on
within Thunderbird is quite simple:

· Activate the Tools Menu (ALT+T), add-ons option (followed by A) and tab 3
times, at which point you should be on the Extensions Pane. If you happen
to land on any other pane then use Down Arrow (or Up Arrow) until you hear
Extensions.

· Tab 2 times, which lands you in the search all add-ons edit box.

· Then type in Quick Folder Key Navigation , hit enter, and wait a few
seconds for the search to complete.

· Tab 5 times more to gain focus on the list of results. Then hit Down
Arrow to start navigating the list. Quick Folder Key Navigation should be
the first result.

· Tab 2 times to land on the Install button then hit enter.

· After the install completes you need to exit Thunderbird and start it up
again for this extension to become active

*Upon opening Thunderbird, you will be in the folder tree sitting on
whatever folder you had open the last time you closed it.* You will still
have to hit TAB until you reach the folder tree view.

When in the folder tree view you can use first letter navigation to move
around (if you installed the extension noted above).

When you are sitting on a folder in the folder tree view hitting TAB will
take you to the message list. You know you’ve arrived when you hear, “List
View.” Use up and/or down arrow to navigate through the list of messages.
[Depending on the screen reader you usually have to hit TAB either once or
twice.]

If you are using threaded view, and hear JAWS announce “Level zero,
collapsed,” use the right arrow to expand the thread to show all its
individual messages. To collapse the thread, get back to the first message
at level zero and hit the left arrow.

When you land on the message you want to read, hit Enter to open it in a
dedicated reading tab.

You will use the usual reading commands to read through the message that you
use in any other program.

*Thunderbird Shortcuts*

Hit CTRL+W to close a reading tab and go back to the message list for the
folder you had been viewing.

Hit SHIFT+TAB (once or twice) or F6 to move back to the folder tree from the
message list for any folder. This must be done after you delete all
messages in a given folder as well.

To *select messages* in the message list view:

Once you are in the message list view, and have a specific single message
selected:

1. Holding SHIFT, while at the same time hitting either Up or Down Arrow
will continue selecting messages in the direction you are moving.

2. Holding SHIFT, then hitting PgUp or PgDown will select all messages above
or below the currently selected message, respectively, stopping with the
first/last one currently displayed in the message list view.

You can use CTRL+A to select all messages, including ones currently not
visible in the message list view. Unless you’re certain about doing
whatever you intend to do with ALL messages, use this option with great
caution.

To *delete* *messages* :

1. If you are in the message list view, select the message or messages you
wish to delete then hit the Delete key. This will move them to the Trash
folder and none will be opened for reading if you use this technique.

2. If you are reading a message and want to delete it, hit the Delete key
and it will delete that message and automatically open the next message in
the folder for reading.

To *reply* *to a message* you’re reading: CTRL+R opens the Write window
with the subject filled in with “Re:” prefixing it and the text of the
message you’re replying to quoted. Your cursor will be sitting right after
the quoted material waiting for you to type. If you’re trying to do a
Reply All that’s CTRL+Shift+R

To *create a new message* , regardless of what you’re doing in Thunderbird,
hit CTRL+N. This opens the Write window waiting for you to fill in your
addressees in the “To:” edit box. As you hit Enter after filling in an
address or choosing one from the dropdown list of previous addresses another
edit box of the same type opens. If you need to change from “To:” to “CC:”
or “BCC:” then hit SHIFT+TAB, use the up/down arrow key to find what you
want, then hit TAB again to go to the edit box for the address.

· To add attachments to an outgoing message, hit CTRL+SHIFT+A to bring up
the Attach Files dialog. It is very similar to a Save dialog except it
works “in reverse.” You will need to navigate to the location of the file
you want to attach, select it, then either tab to the Open button or hit
ALT+O to attach the file to the message.

To *send a message* , whether it’s a reply or a new message, hit CTRL+ENTER
when you’ve finished composing. It will send immediately and close the
Write window, taking you back to wherever you had been before hitting the
reply or new keyboard shortcut.

To *get to attachments on an incoming message* hit ALT+M, H [Opens the
Message Menu and selects the Attachments option]

*Creating Folders in Thunderbird*

You can create folders within Thunderbird to organize your e-mail. The
concept is the same as in Windows File Explorer, and the tree view will be
the starting point.

1. In the tree view navigate to the folder or account (if you want the
folder directly under the account like Inbox, Sent, etc., typically are)
under which you want your new folder nested. In most cases this will be
your e-mail account itself, unless you are creating subfolders within other
existing folders.

2. Hit ALT+F,N,F – File Menu, New Option, Folder Option – after which the
New Folder dialog opens and you’ll be in the edit box in which you’ll type
the new folder’s name.

3. Tab to the Create Folder button then hit enter, or hit ALT+R. Your new
folder has been created.

*Moving Messages Between Folders on Thunderbird*

1. Select the message or messages you wish to move.

2. Bring up the context menu with the applications/menu key or Shift+F10,
then hit M [Move]

3. You will be presented with a submenu that will vary somewhat depending on
your folder structure, you have to drill down through the submenu to locate
the folder where you want the selected messages to be moved.

4. Once you have focus on that folder, hit Enter and the message(s) will be
moved there.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019

Dear people,

 

as I’m planning to permanently switch from JAWS to nvda I’m trying to set up nvda in order to be able tow work with it properly. I’m on the newest nvda version available.

 

I’ve a Papenmeier Braillex Trio working perfectly under Jaws2020. On nvda, only the braille input works, but I’m not getting any kind of output. In the user guide I’ve read I’d need to select “Papenmeier braillex newer models” in the settings dialogue, but unfortunately nvda doesn’t find any braille display being connected.

 

Any ideas?

 

Best,

almaric

Hi NVDA my NVDA just now updated.  I have the add on for skype and the add on for teamtalk client. These are incompatible with NVDA’s most recent versions but not sure if I want to uninstall them because I want to make sure they don’t have updates coming.  Any timetable on when or if these addons will have versions that work with the newer NVDA?  I use both quite a bit and the thing I notice about skype is after I sign in to our radio station or when I sign back into my account after a show I’m locked into focus mode even when I tab to exit the form and I have to go to an email or a website to snap it off.  Insirt and space bar doesn’t work.  I could use a little better information on teamtalk too.  Will these add ons eventually work again with newer versions? 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

On 7 May 2020, at 20:44, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:



Hello all,

 

I’m not really sure where to post this message, so if it would be more appropriate for the Chat list please let me know

 

I am considering taking a medical transcription refresher course from a local career college. At least 2 blind/visually impaired students have gone through the program successfully and found gainful employment. The 1 totally blind student used JAWS. For financial and philosophical reasons, I really do not want to use JAWS. However, I’d like to know whether between NVDA and Narrator, I could accomplish the same tasks. Legally, a program or employer cannot dictate which screen reader I use, just as they cannot dictate which brand of glasses a person chooses to wear. However, I anticipate  lot of pushback so I’d like to get as much information/ammunition as possible.

 

The education software the transcription course uses is called Brightspace. I did some preliminary research. The website talks about the software being accessible to screen readers and talks about their ongoing commitment to accessibility. Has anyone used this software with NVDA? If so, what were your experiences?

 

One area of difficulty the blind student found was differentiating different colors in Word documents. Apparently, JAWS cannot do this. assignments and reports are done in Word and corrections added in a different color. Can NVDA distinguish print in different colors in Word documents? If not, is there a workaround? The student using JAWS said that she was able to come up with one.

 

All course texts and reference materials are provided in PDFs. How does NVDA do with large PDFs? I believe they contain links etc. for navigation.

 

Are there any controls JAWS recognizes that NVDA does not? Most research is done on the Internet. Are there types of controls and websites that JAWS handles but NVDA does not?

 

The transcription platforms mentioned by the student I spoke with provide specific training for JAWS users. I assume that, although the keyboard commands would be different,  this information would be transferable to NVDA. Accessible software should be usable by all screen readers, not just JAWS.

 

I am not familiar with Narrator but am prepared to learn it if I could do the work with it alongside NVDA. Does anyone have thoughts as to how this might work?

 

I understand that one can obtain a free license for JAWS, at least for now. However, the cost of maintaining this software is prohibitive. I have to pay my own costs. I will do this if absolutely necessary but really prefer not to. I would be willing to pay somebody to assist me with NVDA and/or Narrator, as long as the outcome would be worthwhile.

 

Thank you for answering all my questions, I really appreciate your time.

 

Sincerely,

 

Janet Brandly  

 

I have not used Narrator, but if using it alongside