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Re: FW: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
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All I've read suggests the only fix will be for their own narrator not anything else, of course that might well fix it everywhere, but don't hold your breath. Why would anyone really want that lame email software anyway, when so much better stuff exists and can do newsgroups and much more from third parties?
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Its like that Edge Browser. I was talking to several sighted people and they all moved back to Firefox or IE due to the weird things Edge seems to do sometimes. No they were not specific, and it could be just unfamiliarity, but if the design is so poor for people who can see, what is the point of us bothering with it? Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Brian Crabtree" <briancrabtree@hotmail.co.uk> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 8:24 PM Subject: [nvda] FW: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type This is an update to my attached recent post, in the hope that it points the devs to the solution. I have discovered that NVDA will speak each line of a message as I select it using Alt plus down arrow – but only 1 line at a time. If I select 3 lines it speaks only the last one selected. Selecting a large section of text and asking it to speak the selected text gives nothing. It will also speak any characters that I backspace over as I try to correct my typing, but will not speak anything else. Finally, NVDA did speak the text of the first message I opened, but only on the first time I opened it – on that occasion it said “Message document”, but on other occasions it said “Message document message edit read only”, so when it adds “read only” it actually will not read it! Someone suggested that I set it to speak characters as well as words, but that made no difference. Does anyone know whether any of this will be corrected, either by the August 2nd update or by the upcoming NVDA release? From: Brian Crabtree<mailto:briancrabtree@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: 11 July 2016 08:38 To: NVDA Forum<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type If I hit CTRL plus N for a new message or CTRL plus R to reply to a message in the Windows 10 Mail app, NVDA says "Message edit read only" and then nothing, whether I arrow back to correct something or just keep typing. Review mode does not work either. In a new message, it does not speak as I type the Subject, but if I go back to correct a word it does speak the subject. Is there a trick to getting it to speak text as I type? I have NVDA set to speak words, not characters. I think I am up to date with NVDA at version 2016.2.1 and the Mail app at version 17. Brian
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Re: Firefox going blank on edit boxes
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
do you mean on web pages or on windows dialogues. I've noticed the latter in word and other software, often switching to desktop and back seems to get the focus back again. I've noted this mentioned before but not seen anyone raise it in a ticket.
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It might be a problem in Windows on some machines. However if tis web sites you are talking about, then no only on websites that have edit area issues for everyone due to rubbish or flash coding on the page. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Cearbhall O'Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:18 PM Subject: [nvda] Firefox going blank on edit boxes Hi,
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
Hmm I have a feeling the lag issue is one of processor throttling as we have seen before for other things. Microsoft s speeds up the core of a processor in a so called inteligent way to aid power saving for laptops, but its a bit slow sometimes.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Copying to clipboard Copy/cut and paste works fine for me under windows 10 64 bit, on my lenovo laptop machine, running either NVDA 2016.2.1, or, at times jaws 17 demo.
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Re: a bit off topic
Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
Was this not a rebadged Sharp?
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I'm sure somebody can suggest a better list to ask on. I doubt if there will be many about unless they have started making them again. I have a Sharp clock from that era, it has a stopwatch and soome other functions as well as time but no date. the voice sounds like a Dalek though, but is understandable. Tandy used to sell a version of this clock under their own brand name of Radio Shack back then. They also used to sell a talking multimeter, and I wish I'd bought one! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Bobby" <bvinton@optonline.net> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:31 PM Subject: [nvda] a bit off topic Hay I know this list is about nvda butt I was wondering if any one can tell me ware to get a clock called vox clock 3. I know this sounds very odd butt I was at a friends house and he had this vox clock 3. If you do a google search on this you will hear the alarms and the voice and you will know what I mean. I use to have this clock when I was a kid butt it broke. It is a 1980s clock from radio shack.
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Re: testing using the mail ap:
Rosemarie Chavarria
Got it.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kenny Peyattt jr. Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 12:36 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] testing using the mail ap: Hi testing to see if I am coing through. Sent Kenny peyatt jr. from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>; for Windows 10
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Patrick Wilson <Sirpatrickwilson@...>
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Re: vox clock please help me try to get one
Bobby <bvinton@...>
The answer is yes I am looking for the vox clock 3. Thank you
very much for your help. I will hav eBay send me an email when
one is available.
On 7/14/2016 8:10 PM, Brian Vogel
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Re: vox clock please help me try to get one
Are you wed to the Version 3? Right now there are a number of Version 2 Vox Clocks up on eBay. The Version 3s also come up with some regularity, so you could set an automatic search to e-mail you when one does. The last one I can find that's a Version 3 sold last month for $40. I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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Re: FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint
Hi Cearbhall,
The modern powerPoint file is a package file. A lot of it is XML. You can review tables in slide show mode but otherwise, as of this writing, I think we will have to edit tables outside PowerPoint. Having said that, it is worth exploring if the tables are rendered in the NVDA object model and if we can’t build in that feature into NVDA.
Pranav
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: Notes on NVDA and PowerPoint
Pranav,
Thanks for this detail! I am coming to realise more and more that Powerpoint is simply a tool for managing parts of a flat text file. This occurred to me when I opened a PowerPoint file on the iPhone. The iphone ignores the various control characters that Powerpoint embeds in the file to create the slides and various display options. It simply presents the flat file!
In that case, I suppose that PowerPoint is not capable of creating a Word table which we could navigate by using the usual screen reader table navigation controls.
If I am right about the basic nature of the PowerPoint file, and I am open to criticism on this if anyone can advise me, then the Powerpoint program is simply picking up certain characters that mean the beginning and end of a slide and various other characters that mark the beginning and end of its various object placeholders
For this reason, I think we can only make use of the F6 key and the tab and arrows to get around the PowerPoint document. I know JAWS offers far more but I think these are only gilding the lily!
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Hi Cearbhall,
I usually edit tables in Word or Excel and then get them into Powerpoint. If I must edit them in PowerPoint, I then use word by word navigation with the ctrl+left and right arrow and line by line navigation to move around in the table. The only way I know of is to be familiar with the content of the table so that you know what you are editing. I wish there was a better answer.
Pranav
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Pranav,
Good to hear your experience. I am relieved to find that your experience reflects my own.
I am particularly interested in the detail of navigating tables. As you say, column divisions are not echoed so: 1. How do you know when you are in one column or another? 2. Is there any way of knowing which column your active point is in? 3. What keystrokes are involved apart from those which you have already described?
All the best,
Cearbhall
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Hi all,
In terms of table navigation and editing: 1. I can read tables in slide show mode. 2. When in object navigation mode, reading of a table or editing a table is difficult because column seperators are not spoken. This used to happen even with Jaws version 16 I think. 3. I am on PowerPoint 2016 and whatever has been discussed so far is applicable to that version. 4. The tab and shift+tab are standard keystrokes. The same applies to f6 and shift+f6. Pranav
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Sedmak
Has anyone had luck navigating tables in powerpoint? Table navigation does not work for me in powerpoint. I have to resort to using tab to step through every cell. Mike
Sent from my iPhone, please forgive the typos.
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
I can duplicate Jacob's results. Ollie, what applications are you using?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 11:21 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Copying to clipboard Copy/cut and paste works fine for me under windows 10 64 bit, on my lenovo laptop machine, running either NVDA 2016.2.1, or, at times jaws 17 demo. For testing, you could just turn on narrator, and turn off NVDA? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2016-07-14 5:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote: This does not explain though why ordinary windows cut and paste is
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Brian Gaff wrote, in part, "I think we need a sighted person to do some tests with and without nvda just using the normal windows keys not the mouse." If someone wants to send me the file on which they'd like me to do the test (so that it's open in the program that seems to be causing difficulty) I'd be happy to do this. I routinely use the Windows CTRL+C (copy), CTRL+X (cut), and CTRL+V commands in a variety of programs, and between them, but generally without NVDA. I've never had a single problem with these keyboard shortcuts in any way. I can also do whatever you wish using NVDA. -- I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up. ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
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vox clock please help me try to get one
Bobby <bvinton@...>
My name is Bobby Vinton and I am 39 years old and I am looking all over for a vox clock 3. I hope some one on this list has one or knows some one who no longer wants theres and is willing to sell this clock. As I said mine broke when I was 9 years old.
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Robert Mendoza
Hi Olli,
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You may used as alternative keystroke by copying certain text by pressing Control plus shift plus left or right arrow keys. You have to ensure to move the focus position to the word or text first to make it more effectively to select and copy from the clipboard. Robert Mendoza
On 7/14/2016 7:51 PM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
David Moore
Hi,
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That is what I do as well. That is the best way to copy exactly what you want to the clipboard. David Moore
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From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Copying to clipboard I don't - I just press NVDA + F9 to start selection, and NVDA + F10 handles the copy to clipboard between the two points. And, this is with latest, 2016.2.1. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2016-07-14 3:20 PM, Peter Beasley wrote: You now have to press the F10 twice in order to copy text to the clipboard. I don't know why they have done this.
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FW: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
Brian Crabtree <briancrabtree@...>
Sorry, but I should have said I was selecting text using Shift plus down arrow, not Alt.
Also, in the reading pane, if I hit Shift plus Tab it reads the subject, addressee, etc. Tabbing back down does not get it reading the message content, however.
From: Brian Crabtree
Sent: 14 July 2016 20:23 To: NVDA Forum Subject: FW: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
This is an update to my attached recent post, in the hope that it points the devs to the solution.
I have discovered that NVDA will speak each line of a message as I select it using Alt plus down arrow – but only 1 line at a time. If I select 3 lines it speaks only the last one selected. Selecting a large section of text and asking it to speak the selected text gives nothing.
It will also speak any characters that I backspace over as I try to correct my typing, but will not speak anything else.
Finally, NVDA did speak the text of the first message I opened, but only on the first time I opened it – on that occasion it said “Message document”, but on other occasions it said “Message document message edit read only”, so when it adds “read only” it actually will not read it!
Someone suggested that I set it to speak characters as well as words, but that made no difference.
Does anyone know whether any of this will be corrected, either by the August 2nd update or by the upcoming NVDA release?
From: Brian Crabtree
If I hit CTRL plus N for a new message or CTRL plus R to reply to a message in the Windows 10 Mail app, NVDA says “Message edit read only” and then nothing, whether I arrow back to correct something or just keep typing. Review mode does not work either.
In a new message, it does not speak as I type the Subject, but if I go back to correct a word it does speak the subject.
Is there a trick to getting it to speak text as I type?
I have NVDA set to speak words, not characters. I think I am up to date with NVDA at version 2016.2.1 and the Mail app at version 17. Brian
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FW: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
Brian Crabtree <briancrabtree@...>
This is an update to my attached recent post, in the hope that it points the devs to the solution.
I have discovered that NVDA will speak each line of a message as I select it using Alt plus down arrow – but only 1 line at a time. If I select 3 lines it speaks only the last one selected. Selecting a large section of text and asking it to speak the selected text gives nothing.
It will also speak any characters that I backspace over as I try to correct my typing, but will not speak anything else.
Finally, NVDA did speak the text of the first message I opened, but only on the first time I opened it – on that occasion it said “Message document”, but on other occasions it said “Message document message edit read only”, so when it adds “read only” it actually will not read it!
Someone suggested that I set it to speak characters as well as words, but that made no difference.
Does anyone know whether any of this will be corrected, either by the August 2nd update or by the upcoming NVDA release?
From: Brian Crabtree
Sent: 11 July 2016 08:38 To: NVDA Forum Subject: Windows 10 Mail app not speaking as I type
If I hit CTRL plus N for a new message or CTRL plus R to reply to a message in the Windows 10 Mail app, NVDA says “Message edit read only” and then nothing, whether I arrow back to correct something or just keep typing. Review mode does not work either.
In a new message, it does not speak as I type the Subject, but if I go back to correct a word it does speak the subject.
Is there a trick to getting it to speak text as I type?
I have NVDA set to speak words, not characters. I think I am up to date with NVDA at version 2016.2.1 and the Mail app at version 17. Brian
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Jacob Kruger
Peter, 2016.2.1 - don't think that's latest snapshot, but, latest production version?
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On 2016-07-14 8:29 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
With 16.1 that is correct, but ist hads changed now.
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Jacob Kruger
And, just tested it with laptop's built in keyboard, but, with keyboard layout still set to desktop, and worked fine, with both kinds of copy/paste.
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Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-14 9:03 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Lenovo W52 laptop, with windows 10 64 bit, but, might it make a difference that I always use external USB keyboard with it?
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Jacob Kruger
Lenovo W52 laptop, with windows 10 64 bit, but, might it make a difference that I always use external USB keyboard with it?
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Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-07-14 8:12 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi there: Are you using a windows ten lap top? Or a regular desktop?
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Re: Issue with Copying to clipboard
Peter Beasley
with 16.1 that is correct, but it has now changed.
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From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Issue with Copying to clipboard I don't - I just press NVDA + F9 to start selection, and NVDA + F10 handles the copy to clipboard between the two points. And, this is with latest, 2016.2.1. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..." On 2016-07-14 3:20 PM, Peter Beasley wrote: You now have to press the F10 twice in order to copy text to the clipboard. I don't know why they have done this.
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