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Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

I'm sure many people are using them.  Unless the developers start asking for more testers, it can be assumed that enough testers are participating. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Jean,
I can see your point and I agree with you for the most part, but the
beta versions of a product are only good if people are actually using
them and reporting bugs.
Chris



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Jean,
I can see your point and I agree with you for the most part, but the beta versions of a product are only good if people are actually using them and reporting bugs.
Chris


Re: NVDA Curiosity

n8mnx@att.net
 

I am not having any issues with nvda 2016.2 every version I have not yet encountered any issues.
Brian Sackrider

On 6/3/2016 2:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

I understand, but by the time a properly developed and tested program reaches release, it will have been tested enough that it is expected to function properly or without significant problems for most users.  That's why there are snapshots released more than once a week for testing during development and that's why betas are released before development. 
 
Some people like to test programs while in development.  they may have annoyances or problems because of bugs while the program is being developed.  Interested people may spot problems or express dissatisfaction with some aspects of the program during that time.  for people who want reliability and who don't want to test, the final release version is the most likely to be the most bugg-free and reliable in the development of the current version. 
 
Gene----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Just to clarify, I only asked how many people were not having problems
with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new
NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a
few people or the majority.
Chris



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Just to clarify, I only asked how many people were not having problems with the new NVDA because people that are having problems with the new NVDA usually report them. I wanted to see if problems were just with a few people or the majority.
Chris


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Kwork
 

All good so far here as well. I haven't, and won't test everything as I
don't have Office installed, but what I normally do is working just fine.
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity


I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)

 
Edited

Gene wrote:  "And the original message didn't ask for messages of thanks or appreciation.  It asked how many people are not having problems with NVDA.  That is an entirely different request."

Exactly.  And this goes back to a case where I am in absolute agreement with you regarding thread titles.  Putting "atta boys! (and girls, too)" in a thread that is a genuine attempt to see if others are encountering the same issue or issues in general with a release is a direct slap in the face to those having the troubles and trying their best to see if it might be idiosyncratic or more broadly based.

I've been a programmer.  It's nice to have praise and if you, for any you, want to start a thread for that purpose have at it.  Don't hijack an issue identification thread because you think that the developers don't hear enough praise.  That's not what they're paid (or volunteer) for and knowing what may be wrong is more helpful for creating a better and better product!

P.S. The irony of my post and Gene's appearing in a thread that was specifically started as a praise thread is not lost on me.  I also don't think this thread is a bad idea, either.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Kevin Cussick
 

good point agreed.

On 03/06/2016 20:43, Gene wrote:
Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses. If 300 list
members are not having probems. we will learn nothing useful by having
them write to the list and saying they are not having probems. Problems
need to be reported to be corrected. Nothing can be done when people
write and say they are not having problems. It doesn't help solve the
problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA
function better.

Gee

*From:* Chris Shook <mailto:chris0309@...>
*Sent:* Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris



Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)

Gene
 

I don't complain if some people express appreciation off and on, as they do on list.  But asking a general question such as how many people are not having problems with NVDA doesn't provide useful answers or information for developers.  The developers have information before the final release on the general performance of NVDA.  that's an important reason for releasing the RC or release candidates for testing before the final version.  It allows testing by a lot of people to see if problems exist.  If they do, the full version release may be delayed.  But the full version is released only after testing of the program indicates that no problems of any significance exist that are known.  But after a full version is released, far more people use it.  some problems that were not known earlier are commonly discovered.  That's what developers need to know, what unexpected problems are found. 
 
It's like asking people on a health list how many people don't have headaches today.  it provides no help nor useful information to those who do. 
 
And the original message didn't ask for messages of thanks or appreciation.  It asked how many people are not having problems with NVDA.  That is an entirely different request.
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)

Gene,

 

I believe that there is a magnificent team of developers who need to know that their great work has delivered huge assistance to me and to all others who enjoy a trouble-free experience with NVDA 2016.2!

 

I think it is really important to keep reminding them that this is so.

 

As we in the computer world well know, there is always  a new horizon to reach after the latest one has been reached. Therefore, I believe we should welcome those who are having trouble with the new release to explore the issue with open minds and offer all the means possible to collectively help to satisfy their needs. Some of their problems may have arisen because the new release has fixed the previous obstacles and now gives them the opportunity to go forward towards the functionality that they really want. This may bring up another stumbling block that has to be overcome. Such a discovery is not a negative for NVDA but a pointer to further growth.

 

 

I think the subject line should be separated to reflect these two conditions.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses.  If 300 list members are not having problems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems.  Problems need to be reported to be corrected.  Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems.  It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better. 

 

Gee

 

From: Chris Shook

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, just at this moment nvda 2016.2 is working well for me with no problems.

On 03/06/2016 19:01, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues
with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


Reporting Issues to the NVDA Development Team

 

I think that what follows would be worth posting when release candidates are released and when an actual full release is released.  A normal part of the software development process is to get bug reports.   Although "zero defects" is the ideal, it is an ideal that I have never seen reached.  While developers love to receive pats on the back, and deserve them, issue/bug reports are not considered a "slap in the face" but a helping hand, as users are certain to encounter things that were not encountered in testing - it goes with the territory.


        The direct link to the Github page for issue reporting for NVDA is:   https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

        If you don't have a Github account you'll need to create on in order to officially log a suspected bug.  When you click through to the page above, what you will be shown is a list of bugs/issues in open status.  The filters edit box will be pre-populated with the following, which should be left there,  "is:issue is:open" and this is what gives you only open issues.  That being said, it's not worth opening a new issue if one already exists identifying your problem.  So, it's well worth putting in a search term (or two) after those prepopulated ones to see if a problem that matches yours may already be logged.  Let's say you have an issue with pronunciation, then enter "pronunciation" (no quotes, of course) after the prepopulated terms and hit Enter.  Now the list shown will be limited to ones that have the word "pronunciation" in their title or actual report text.  You could use search terms like "iTunes", "Firefox", etc., and you can use more than one, so something like "iTunes 12" would be just fine.

         If there's a problem that already matches yours, activate that link to read up on it and/or possibly leave an additional comment to let the developers know that you've also encountered it along with information regarding the operating system, NVDA version, and other details needed to help them track it down and squash the bug.

         If your problem doesn't appear to be in the list, find and activate the "New Issue" button, which will present you with a webpage that places you in an edit box for the title you wish to use (please be specific - titles like "Problem encountered" don't help anyone) and then an edit box where you enter a detailed description.  Ideally, if you can make the problem recur reliably, you give the steps you take to make it occur each time it occurs.

         Doing the above is one way to contribute to the ongoing NVDA development efforts in a very positive way.

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Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Weird issue

Danni
 

No because sometimes I can hear colors or options and sometimes I can't! which tells me something is going on I just don't know what!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


Maybe the site's layout was changed, don't you think?

On 6/3/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it

shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size

color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and
such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't
think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the

page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway
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From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and

also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader

to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted

on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be

worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go
to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I
noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it
exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check
in order to fix it?










Re: NVDA success ( originally Curiosity)

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Gene,

 

I believe that there is a magnificent team of developers who need to know that their great work has delivered huge assistance to me and to all others who enjoy a trouble-free experience with NVDA 2016.2!

 

I think it is really important to keep reminding them that this is so.

 

As we in the computer world well know, there is always  a new horizon to reach after the latest one has been reached. Therefore, I believe we should welcome those who are having trouble with the new release to explore the issue with open minds and offer all the means possible to collectively help to satisfy their needs. Some of their problems may have arisen because the new release has fixed the previous obstacles and now gives them the opportunity to go forward towards the functionality that they really want. This may bring up another stumbling block that has to be overcome. Such a discovery is not a negative for NVDA but a pointer to further growth.

 

 

I think the subject line should be separated to reflect these two conditions.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses.  If 300 list members are not having problems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems.  Problems need to be reported to be corrected.  Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems.  It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better. 

 

Gee

 

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Carlos,


Yes, you are right. For sentimental reason, I kept an old XP SP3 system--mostly for storage and because I finagled a way to play some DOS games on it through the command line structure. But just this past week, the old faithful gave up the ghost: some sort of motherboard issue as well as a shaky hard drive. So I decided to replace it with a reconditioned Windows 7 Home Premium system for about $125 plus tax. I am used to having tons of back-ups in the event of a calamity so I am comfortable with 3 computers: my 2 Windows 8 systems (one to be upgraded shortly to ten or when I get the nerve) and the old XP system, now to be replaced with the Windows 7 reconditioned box. Oh for the tragedy of not hearing that old XP boot sound! I know you can configure the new system with the old sounds--but just like dating a blonde you really liked and then when she dumps you dating another blonde; it's really not quite the same <laugh>!


...And so it goes.

On 6/3/2016 2:49 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to represent my age group! (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris





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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph,

Yes, the 20160603 snapshot of the add-on fixed the issue with the time pickers. I've tried it in the "Alarms and Clock" app, in the alarms and timer sections, where there are time pickers. I don't know where else to test it (at the moment I don't have pending updates that require a restart). BTW: At first the fix did not work, but after restarting the app and NVDA itself, it started working. I guess that, as you said, sometimes the arrow keys do not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event.

I hope that the Twitter accessibility team listens to our feedback, because the Twitter app for Windows 10 is functionally good, but only partially accessible. One other good example of inaccessibility of the app are the buttons below each twit - they are focusable, but don't have any label associated with them.


______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


На 3.6.2016 г. в 21:29, Joseph Lee написа:

Hi,

1.       Alarms and Clock: confirmed, a hacky fix on its way (technical: in some cases, English version is affected due to the fact that arrow keys does not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event).

2.       Twitter contents: This is screen reader dependent and ties with markup used by Twitter. This problem is caused by Twitter’s markup strategy, and I believe this was reported to Twitter not long ago. I may need to write a hack to force NVDA to announce content from child objects. Pauses is there due to presence of an unwanted Unicode character, and the optimal solution should come from Twitter.

I’ll go head and build 20160603-dev version of the add-on, and please let me know if item 1 is fixed for good (after installing that version).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

To Joseph. I have 2 questions about the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on for NVDA:

1. The fix that you provide in the add-on for NVDA to properly read the values in the time pickers in places such as the Alarms and Clock" app works if Windows is in english, but does not work if Windows is in another language such as bulgarian. Do you know why is it so? Can you make this fix not to be language-dependent?

2. In the official Twitter app for Windows 10, JAWS manages to read the content of the twittes, although be it with some strange pauses between each word in them. But NVDA and Narrator don't Can you make NVDA read the twittes content? I can even now read the twitt content with NVDA, but I have to use object navigation to do it.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev



Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

For me, NVDA is kicking butt...er, I mean it's working very well. I use FF.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger
Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hear here!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hi all,
I am having no problems with NVDA 2016.2 Works great with web sites and all
programs like MS excel. Go NVDA!


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

you don't represent your age group.  As a person over 55 myself, I do not accept your representation. 
 
As far as XP is concerned, the developers are still intentionally having NVDA run in Windows Xp.  Also, I don't recall messages of people reporting bugs stating that they are using XP.  It appears you are making an unsupported assumption.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

Hello:

     The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with
new software!

     At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that
Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left
alone!

     There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell
rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

     There are a number of software developers that warn customers that
their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

     So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then
don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run
correctly on your machines!

     Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon!  And, I'm very proud to
represent my age group!  (55 Years and above)



On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
> I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
> Thunderbird--no issues at all.
>
> Roger
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
>> This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
>> Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
>> issues with the latest version of NVDA.
>> For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
>> So far, everything has worked fine for me.
>> Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
>> Chris
>>
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An iTunes Question

Dan Kerstetter
 

Hello all.

 

I’ve just installed the most recent iTunes update; and while it has fixed some issues, I’m still unable to read the list of albums I have.  Is there some way I can remedy this situation?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Dan


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Gene
 

Such questions may generate a lot of meaningless responses.  If 300 list members are not having probems. we will learn nothing useful by having them write to the list and saying they are not having probems.  Problems need to be reported to be corrected.  Nothing can be done when people write and say they are not having problems.  It doesn't help solve the problems some people are having and such messages don't help NVDA function better. 
 
Gee

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris