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Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

Roger Stewart
 

This is kind of interesting but I get this properties lost notice when I send some files to my external USB hard drive which is formatted as NTFS so there must be something else in the mix. However, when I choose to back up the files with properties lost, there doesn't seem to be any difference between the original and the copied files so I just ignore this and tell it to go ahead and copy and lose the properties and there's never been any problem.

Roger

On 12/10/2016 8:04 PM, Jacques wrote:
Hi Guys

The described prompts about stream loss is related to the flash drive formatted as FAT32 rather than NTFS. There will undoubtedly be many arguments for and against formatting a flash drive as NTFS, but I won't go into them here. In some cases, when building a bootable flash drive, it is necessary to format as FAT32. However, if the flash drive is used only for storing files for backup purposes on a Windows based system, re-formatting the flash drive as NTFS will solved the problem Chris described.

A last note, if you are also using the flash drive for porting files between a Windows based machine and a MAC, NTFS is not an option, since MAC cannot read NTFS partitions.

Hope this clears up the confusion.


Jacques

On 2016/12/10 10:25 PM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I really don't know what that copy files without their properties
thinghy means but I get it here all the time but only if I copy to a USB
drive of any kind like a flash stick or an external USB drive.
Apparently there are some invisible file properties that just must take
too much bandwidth to pass through the USB interface as I can copy the
same files from one internal disk drive to another without getting these
notices. Anyhow, there's usually a checkbox that asks you to do this
for all subsequent files and if you just check this and then tell it to
go ahead and copy without the properties, it should then just copy
everything without you needing to do anything more.

Hope this helps.

Roger













On 12/10/2016 1:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
This is just totally strange! So... I'm running Windows 10 Home, 64
bit, Thunderbird 45.2.0, and JAWS 18 without the Thunderbird Blind
script from John
Martin. I have them, but don't have them installed, as I don't find
them all that helpful.

Anyway, I have only one profile which contains one e-mail account: my
Gmail, which is of corse set up as IMap, not as Pop3.

Basically, what I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to copy my profile
folder from appdata\roming\thunderbird\profiles over to a flash drive,
so that I have
a backup, in case I ever need it. I get the folder copied with no
problem. Note, I'm not copying the actual profiles folder. I'm copying
the actual profile
folder within the profiles folder with the weird number string. OK,
that works fine, and I get it to my clipboard, no worries. Then, comes
the problem.
I navigate over to my D drive which is my USB flash drive. I then
paste with ctrl+V right there in the root of the USB drive. Things
start copying until
about 89% when I get an interupted action. It asks if I want to copy
the current file as is, without its properties. If I say no, then the
whole paste
process aborts. If I say yes, then it goes into an infinent loop
asking me if I want to do the same thing over and over, and never ever
progresses beyond
that 89%. Yes, I do have admin rights, and yes, I'm logged on as an
administrator, and further, UAC is disabled completely. I know for a
fact that this
isn't an issue of me having a corrupted installation, as I had this
same exact problem with another laptop I used to own, come to think of
it, and I never
could figure out how to get around it. It seems like I finally wound
up using the command line, and copying over the profile with the old
school XCopy
utility, but I don't remember its syntax. Even if I did though, that's
a really! annoying way to have to do this! There's gotta be a reason
this is happening.
I should add that this is not a portable installation of Thunderbird.
I have it actually fully installed to my C drive as a standard
installation.

I wondered if maybe even though I'd hit alt+F4 and closed Thunderbird,
if maybe it was still running in the background as a process or
service, and therefore
wasn't letting certain files copy over, as they were locked in use,
but that's not the case, as I see nothing in task manager that would
indicate such.
Further, I've rebooted, and have tried this before ever even running
Thunderbird, and I still get the problem. I've tried with multiple
different flash
drives, and I've also reformatted the drives. I've formatted them both
as FAT32, as well as NTFS, but in both cases, the issue is persisting.

Honestly folks, I'm out of options. I don't know what on earth is left
to try.

Any ideas? Normally, I'm really good with this kind a thing, but this
has got me really baffled.

Chris.








how to using NVDA have A USB thumb drive tel you how much room is left on it

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi I am using NVDA.
Now when I used to use window-eyes and inserted A USB thumb drive and then went under computer and looked threw my drive list.
It would tell me when I got the the drive letter that had the USB drive connected to it.
How much was used on the drive like 98 percent or 75 percent.
And then when I would copy something to it.
It would tell me how much was need for whatever it was for me to put on that drive if it was full.
So can you get NVDA to do this if so how?


--
Casey


Problems with sertain HTML messages in indows 10 mail app.

matthew dyer
 

Hello,

 

This morning I was trying to read the kim kamando daylly news email and found that nvda 2016.4 rc kep crashing and I had to restart nvda to get it to read and I ended uop having to copy the message o word pad in order to read it.  Any one elase had this problem with these types of messages? 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

Life My Way
 

How do you change this setting in windows 7?

On 12/11/2016 4:40 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
This used to be in the msconfig.exe file or the route to it was.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem


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Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Gene
 

Now we know that the problem is just in what NVDA announces and that selection is taking place.  But I have no solution and would recommend opening text documents where you want to select in Wordpad. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

in normal selection, nvda does not read the document.
but after selection  and making copy from it, with nvda+c, nvda reads
the selection which we copy.

On 12/11/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> It has become apparent that your Windows installation may have minor
> problems.  Have you verified that text is being selected at all?  If you
> move down in a document with shift down arrow and then use the read
> clipboard command what do you hear?  The command is NVDA key c.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 4:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>
>
> yes.
> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says
> nothing.
>
> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
>> when you want to open a file?
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>> selection.
>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>
>>> works good as normal.
>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

in normal selection, nvda does not read the document.
but after selection and making copy from it, with nvda+c, nvda reads
the selection which we copy.

On 12/11/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It has become apparent that your Windows installation may have minor
problems. Have you verified that text is being selected at all? If you
move down in a document with shift down arrow and then use the read
clipboard command what do you hear? The command is NVDA key c.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 4:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Gene
 

Then it isn't with Wordpad? You originally said it was with both. That makes me suspect that something is wrong with how Windows is working with notepad or with notepad itself.   
 
I need to add more information to my last message.  After you try to select text with shift down arrow, you nee to copy it to the clipboard, control c, before trying the read clipboard command I gave. 
 
If Notepad isn't selecting text but Wordpad is, you may want to open text files in Wordpad where you want to select in this way.  Also, you haven't said anything about what happens when you select in other ways.  What happens if you use shift and right arrow to move and select by character? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.

On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> no.
> without starting nvda and document maximize.
>
> On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>> Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
>> document maximized when selecting a piece of text?
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> yes.
>>> after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you
>>>> mean
>>>> when you want to open a file?
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>>>>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>>>>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>>>>> selection.
>>>>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>>>>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>>>>
>>>>> works good as normal.
>>>>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Gene
 

It has become apparent that your Windows installation may have minor problems.  Have you verified that text is being selected at all?  If you move down in a document with shift down arrow and then use the read clipboard command what do you hear?  The command is NVDA key c. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:

yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
> My guess is that the views used  are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
> when you want to open a file?
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
> Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:
>
>
>> hello every one.
>> one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
>> when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
>> down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
>> selection.
>> i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
>> but the mozilla firefox and selection
>>
>> works good as normal.
>> whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

the problem is only with windows notepad and .txt document.

On 12/11/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
no.
without starting nvda and document maximize.

On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
document maximized when selecting a piece of text?


On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you
mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org









--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

no.
without starting nvda and document maximize.

On 12/11/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a
document maximized when selecting a piece of text?


On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says
nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

Dejan Ristic
 

Have you tried restarting NVDA while a document is open? Do you have a document maximized when selecting a piece of text?

On 12/11/2016 11:22 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says nothing.

On 12/11/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
when you want to open a file?

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: Microsoft Windows 10 Mail App

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its not great with me however.
Its just one of the many annoyances with this mail app, especially when you consider the sophistacation already written into outlook express and live mail, it sees daft to reinvent yet another wheel.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Windows 10 Mail App


Hi,
That is how NVDA works in the mail app for me as well. I am using NVDA 2016.3, have type characters on, and I can read through the message I type with the regular arrow keys, or the NVDA arrow keys. I can read it both ways. I have the latest win10 apps assentials as well. NVDA will not say what I am typing either, but that is great with me as well. NVDA is great in the entire mail app, and it will read the choices when you type in a few letters into the send to edit. I love the mail app, and use it with NVDA all of the time now. I hope it works. for all. I did a written tutorial on using the mail app if you want it.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 11:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Windows 10 Mail App

Hi

I just tried it out with the windows mail app in windows 10.

I was able to send a new mail and reply to it then reply to that one as well.

Are you actually going into the message first or are you doing it where the list of emails are. When i go into the email read it then reply to it i when typing will not hear the letters typed but that does not worry me.

I will then use the ctrl + home key to go to the top of the page i am replying to, then use the nvda key+ down arrow to read it out.

It will also let me review it letter by letter or word by word through the email.

Out of curosity in nvda would you have speak typed character turned off and or the same with words? both of mine are on, so i guess that might be why.

I think even if they were turned off, without testing i would guess NVDA would read out the email.

maybe also the latest essential windows 10 add on might of helped.

is that where the problem lies?

Gene nz


On 9/12/2016 8:09 PM, Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) wrote:
With the new RC1 of NVDA, if I use CTRL+R to reply to a message, I don’t seem to be able to read it back with the arrow keys, does anyone have any ideas please?



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Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

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It is very handy when the machine seems to get into a loop where it falls over on restart.
I have also found that even on a full shut down, it still seems to make a difference if you remove the power completely from the machine for a few minutes then reconnect it. I suspect that something is stored in volatile ram somewhere which is kept alive like usbs are when the system is in fact off.
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem


Would there really be a reason to turn this off, normally?


Chris.



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*/To Turn Off Fast Startup in Windows 8 or Windows 10/*

1.Open Control Panel,

2.Open Power Options,

3.Activate "Choose what the power button does" link,

4.Activate "Change settings that are currently unavailable" link,

5.Uncheck checkbox for "Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)"

6.Hit the Save Changes button.

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Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

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This used to be in the msconfig.exe file or the route to it was.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem


*To Turn Off Fast Startup in Windows 8 or Windows 10*

1. Open Control Panel,

2. Open Power Options,

3. Activate "Choose what the power button does" link,

4. Activate "Change settings that are currently unavailable" link,

5. Uncheck checkbox for "Turn on Fast Startup (Recommended)"

6. Hit the Save Changes button.

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Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

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Not always in Windows 10, and it gets into a loop, though I'm pretty sure each of the questions has a very subtly different file name, as if these files are hidden or non standard in some way.
Properties like this exist on files even in windows xp, but I suspect they have more importance in 10.
Its not a matter of bandwidth, its a matter of allowing access, whether they are only for one user and all sorts of other things, shich is why when you want to move them back they tend to get ignored or just don't copy.
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem


I really don't know what that copy files without their properties thinghy means but I get it here all the time but only if I copy to a USB drive of any kind like a flash stick or an external USB drive. Apparently there are some invisible file properties that just must take too much bandwidth to pass through the USB interface as I can copy the same files from one internal disk drive to another without getting these notices. Anyhow, there's usually a checkbox that asks you to do this for all subsequent files and if you just check this and then tell it to go ahead and copy without the properties, it should then just copy everything without you needing to do anything more.

Hope this helps.

Roger













On 12/10/2016 1:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
This is just totally strange! So... I'm running Windows 10 Home, 64 bit, Thunderbird 45.2.0, and JAWS 18 without the Thunderbird Blind script from John
Martin. I have them, but don't have them installed, as I don't find them all that helpful.

Anyway, I have only one profile which contains one e-mail account: my Gmail, which is of corse set up as IMap, not as Pop3.

Basically, what I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to copy my profile folder from appdata\roming\thunderbird\profiles over to a flash drive, so that I have
a backup, in case I ever need it. I get the folder copied with no problem. Note, I'm not copying the actual profiles folder. I'm copying the actual profile
folder within the profiles folder with the weird number string. OK, that works fine, and I get it to my clipboard, no worries. Then, comes the problem.
I navigate over to my D drive which is my USB flash drive. I then paste with ctrl+V right there in the root of the USB drive. Things start copying until
about 89% when I get an interupted action. It asks if I want to copy the current file as is, without its properties. If I say no, then the whole paste
process aborts. If I say yes, then it goes into an infinent loop asking me if I want to do the same thing over and over, and never ever progresses beyond
that 89%. Yes, I do have admin rights, and yes, I'm logged on as an administrator, and further, UAC is disabled completely. I know for a fact that this
isn't an issue of me having a corrupted installation, as I had this same exact problem with another laptop I used to own, come to think of it, and I never
could figure out how to get around it. It seems like I finally wound up using the command line, and copying over the profile with the old school XCopy
utility, but I don't remember its syntax. Even if I did though, that's a really! annoying way to have to do this! There's gotta be a reason this is happening.
I should add that this is not a portable installation of Thunderbird. I have it actually fully installed to my C drive as a standard installation.

I wondered if maybe even though I'd hit alt+F4 and closed Thunderbird, if maybe it was still running in the background as a process or service, and therefore
wasn't letting certain files copy over, as they were locked in use, but that's not the case, as I see nothing in task manager that would indicate such.
Further, I've rebooted, and have tried this before ever even running Thunderbird, and I still get the problem. I've tried with multiple different flash
drives, and I've also reformatted the drives. I've formatted them both as FAT32, as well as NTFS, but in both cases, the issue is persisting.

Honestly folks, I'm out of options. I don't know what on earth is left to try.

Any ideas? Normally, I'm really good with this kind a thing, but this has got me really baffled.

Chris.




Re: Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem

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Yes its not just Thunderbird in windoze 10 either, any oddly named folder seems to have this problem.
Strangely, I ended up writing a batch file and this in fact did it, though I've not actually tried to copy it back into a running Tbird as I seldom use that software.
It is, I think an identity, held in a registry key that will not let you do anything with it unless you are the software which is registered to handle it. Quite why batch can do it is not obvious, unless its a bug in Windows 10.

Its annoying because many bits of software do this kind of thing, and all it really needs is for that software writers to arrange for a back up and restore of such information in the first place, but maybe its a protection thing. Still its far more annoying than protective in my view. In windoze 10 it is just the tip of the whole annoying iceberg of protection.
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] Backing up a Thunderbird profile, very strange problem


This is just totally strange! So... I'm running Windows 10 Home, 64 bit, Thunderbird 45.2.0, and JAWS 18 without the Thunderbird Blind script from John
Martin. I have them, but don't have them installed, as I don't find them all that helpful.

Anyway, I have only one profile which contains one e-mail account: my Gmail, which is of corse set up as IMap, not as Pop3.

Basically, what I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to copy my profile folder from appdata\roming\thunderbird\profiles over to a flash drive, so that I have
a backup, in case I ever need it. I get the folder copied with no problem. Note, I'm not copying the actual profiles folder. I'm copying the actual profile
folder within the profiles folder with the weird number string. OK, that works fine, and I get it to my clipboard, no worries. Then, comes the problem.
I navigate over to my D drive which is my USB flash drive. I then paste with ctrl+V right there in the root of the USB drive. Things start copying until
about 89% when I get an interupted action. It asks if I want to copy the current file as is, without its properties. If I say no, then the whole paste
process aborts. If I say yes, then it goes into an infinent loop asking me if I want to do the same thing over and over, and never ever progresses beyond
that 89%. Yes, I do have admin rights, and yes, I'm logged on as an administrator, and further, UAC is disabled completely. I know for a fact that this
isn't an issue of me having a corrupted installation, as I had this same exact problem with another laptop I used to own, come to think of it, and I never
could figure out how to get around it. It seems like I finally wound up using the command line, and copying over the profile with the old school XCopy
utility, but I don't remember its syntax. Even if I did though, that's a really! annoying way to have to do this! There's gotta be a reason this is happening.
I should add that this is not a portable installation of Thunderbird. I have it actually fully installed to my C drive as a standard installation.

I wondered if maybe even though I'd hit alt+F4 and closed Thunderbird, if maybe it was still running in the background as a process or service, and therefore
wasn't letting certain files copy over, as they were locked in use, but that's not the case, as I see nothing in task manager that would indicate such.
Further, I've rebooted, and have tried this before ever even running Thunderbird, and I still get the problem. I've tried with multiple different flash
drives, and I've also reformatted the drives. I've formatted them both as FAT32, as well as NTFS, but in both cases, the issue is persisting.

Honestly folks, I'm out of options. I don't know what on earth is left to try.

Any ideas? Normally, I'm really good with this kind a thing, but this has got me really baffled.

Chris.


Re: Those Firefox unknown issues

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That might have been due to an earlier bug where Mozzilla did not always remove the old code and replace it as I recall.
This appears to be a totally different problem with the children identifier numbers going positive when they should be negative No don't ask me either This is deep inside the API structure used by nvda to decide what a particular window is and how to handle it.The annoying thing about it is that some people don't seem to get it. It seems a routine to correct the problem is included already in 64 bit Firefox, but not in 32bit, and it makes me wonder if this is one of the reasons some people do not see it.

As I say, a bit outside of my pay grade or brain cell level.
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Those Firefox unknown issues


Hi brian


I had a quick look at the type of bug was that the one i mentioned about
on the nvda list? It would say unknown over and over and was pretty much
unusable


You could not even get to the menus or do any thing with the page.


it also made momozilla thunderbird unusable at that time. Same sort of
thing as mentioned with the browser.


the only way i was able to fix it was uninstall the browser, then use
the windows key + the letter R then type in %appdata% then pressed the
enter key.


I then found the mozilla folder for the browser then deleted it out.
rebooted then reinstalled mozilla fire fox then it was up and running
correctly. It also made mozilla thunder bird usable as well.


I could not get a bug report on that one and it has not come back since.


Gene nz

.


On 11/12/2016 12:22 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Having seen a smattering of these reports on here, and knowing not
everyone monitors the development list, I thought I'd post this post
from Jamie from that list about this intermittent unknown announcement
when using Firefox. its not an Nvda issue as such..

Okay. I can't reproduce this myself, but I've tracked down what's
causing the issue thanks to the logs that have been provided. Thank
you. This is due to a rather obscure Firefox bug which I've filed here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322766



So I hope this will at least stop peoples hair falling out just yet!
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Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

 

yes.
after openning files in wordpad and notepad, with shift+down, nvda says nothing.

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My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you mean
when you want to open a file?

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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
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Re: NVDA and MalWare Bytes

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Well I could not get it to do that. It was flagged as an update yesterday so I rather naively let it install it.

Of course the machine was running XP so it could well be that the interface now uses a different api not supported in xp.
UIA probably.
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MalWare Bytes


Hi Brian,
using latest SuperAntiSpyware and NVDA 2016.4 RC1. I can handle the
SuperAntiSpyware without any problems. It behaves like the years before.
When I start it up from the systray to perform a scan I can't tab to any
button, but that was always the case for me. I left-click once in the Window
once and then it can be handled by NVDA using tab and so on.

Regards,
Ralf

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Sent: Samstag, 10. Dezember 2016 17:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MalWare Bytes

Unfortunately just tried the very latest Superantispywre, which a few months
ago was fine, but now seems totally unfine, ie I cannot read any of its
screens or buttons.
Why can't they leave their interfaces alone or at least test them with a
screenreader?
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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and MalWare Bytes


If you get the Ninite installer for Malware Bytes it is straight forward.
With that being said, It found Malware on a computer that I scanned and I
had to get a sighted person to select and quarantine the Malware.


Sent from my iPhone

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The installer seems to be the biggest hurdle finding the button to
continue. I had to use one of the navigation modes to achieve this. After
that its pretty simple though everything useful tells you you need the
paid version I notice, but for a straight scan and fix or producing a log
its fine. It did unfortunately remove my password tools, which I then had
to reinstall. It also put an auto start in which I removed since it was
becoming annoying.
Brian
Superantispywaare seems to have similar issues. Do they all use the same
kind of installer?
Anyone tried Spybot recently?
I used to have that until it started to fall over a lot.
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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 7:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and MalWare Bytes


I have heard that Malware Bytes is accessible but I can't seem to get
anywhere with it using NVDA. Is there a way to use this program with
NVDA?
Thanks










Re: about nvda and selection of documents:

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My guess is that the views used are not the same. I'm assuming you mean when you want to open a file?

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Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 5:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] about nvda and selection of documents:


hello every one.
one of my friends uses windows seven with nvda 16.3
when wantes to select documents in wordpad and notepad, with shift
down arrow key, nvda says nothing about the document and also its
selection.
i mean in this case, nvda does not say anything.
but the mozilla firefox and selection

works good as normal.
whats the prublem and whats the solution?--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org