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Re: NVDA Curiosity

David Moore
 

Hi all,
I am having no problems with NVDA 2016.2
Works great with web sites and all programs like MS excel. Go NVDA!

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 2:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Curiosity

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




Re: NVDA Curiosity

Carlos
 

Hello:

The newer the PC/machine; the less problems are encountered with new software!

At some point some NVDA users will be hit with the reality that Windows XP has lived a very very long life and wants to retire/be left alone!

There are a number of charitable organizations/groups that sell rebuilt PC's at economical prices that at least run Windows 7.

There are a number of software developers that warn customers that their software no longer will support vintage PC's!

So, if users insist on continued usage of old PC's/machines. Then don't complain/whine when operating systems/software does not run correctly on your machines!

Yes! I do sound like an old curmudgeon! And, I'm very proud to represent my age group! (55 Years and above)

On 6/3/2016 11:29 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




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Re: NVDA Curiosity

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Chris,


In all the programs I use regularly: Firefox, Thunderbird, Notepad Plus Plus, Computer, Free Make Video Converter, Soulseek, Winamp, Speak On Media Suite (java based) and ESET Anti-virus, I have noticed no difficulties. I have not had any issues with my NVDA add-ons such as Weather Plus 3.84, Winamp enhancements, Clock and probably a few I can't remember.


I am using a Windows 8.1 system with 12 GB RAM 8 core processor, 1 TB hard drive with external drives, ETC.

On 6/3/2016 2:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Bhavya shah
 

Hi,
I have no issues at all either. Everything is working okay, ESpeak NG
sounds just fine, web browsing and other stuff is as great as it used
to be, if not better in certain areas where NVDA has improved.
Thanks.

On 6/3/16, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and
Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger








On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris






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Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
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Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Roger Stewart
 

I'm having no problems with the newest nvda and I use Firefox and Thunderbird--no issues at all.

Roger

On 6/3/2016 1:01 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris



Re: About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hi,

1.       Alarms and Clock: confirmed, a hacky fix on its way (technical: in some cases, English version is affected due to the fact that arrow keys does not cause the looping selector item to fire UIA selection change event).

2.       Twitter contents: This is screen reader dependent and ties with markup used by Twitter. This problem is caused by Twitter’s markup strategy, and I believe this was reported to Twitter not long ago. I may need to write a hack to force NVDA to announce content from child objects. Pauses is there due to presence of an unwanted Unicode character, and the optimal solution should come from Twitter.

I’ll go head and build 20160603-dev version of the add-on, and please let me know if item 1 is fixed for good (after installing that version).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kostadin Kolev
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] About the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on

 

Hello Joseph and all,

To Joseph. I have 2 questions about the "Windows 10 App Essentials" add-on for NVDA:

1. The fix that you provide in the add-on for NVDA to properly read the values in the time pickers in places such as the Alarms and Clock" app works if Windows is in english, but does not work if Windows is in another language such as bulgarian. Do you know why is it so? Can you make this fix not to be language-dependent?

2. In the official Twitter app for Windows 10, JAWS manages to read the content of the twittes, although be it with some strange pauses between each word in them. But NVDA and Narrator don't Can you make NVDA read the twittes content? I can even now read the twitt content with NVDA, but I have to use object navigation to do it.

Thanks much in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA Curiosity

Andre Fisher
 

I have no problems with it. I love it!

On 6/3/16, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out
issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris




NVDA Curiosity

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

This goes along with my last post labeled NVDA devils advocate.
Over the last few days, I've noticed a lot of people pointing out issues with the latest version of NVDA.
For a little perspective, how many people are not having these issues.
So far, everything has worked fine for me.
Is there any one else that is not having any problems with NVDA 2016.2?
Chris


iTunes V 12.4.1

Lino Morales
 

Well kids lists of songs do read with NVDA in the updated iTunes 12.4.1. I was also able to read the items in the playlist for Apple misc I still in the process of creating.


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Arlene observed, "Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug."

Yep, because the number of variables that come into play to make certain bugs exhibit themselves are mind boggling (which is often why the software maker cannot replicate an issue even if they try to do so in what should be "the same environment" as it was encountered in by the user).

We have folks with various versions of Windows, all sorts of different hardware, all sorts of assistive technology beyond NVDA potentially installed, all sorts of programs in general besides NVDA installed, and the list goes on.  Each and every one of those things has the potential to set things up *juuuuuust right* for you, and only you (or a very small number of people who have the same combination as you), to encounter a given bug.

I often think it's a bit of a miracle that most software functions at all given the number of variables at play that the developers have no control over and may have never even had a reason to conceive of.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

Arlene
 

Confirmed! If you have a certain bug. Some people can or can’t confirm your bug.  I had beta tested Jaws 5.0 and there were some bugs I did find. Some others did not find.  Or vice versa.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June-03-16 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

 

Hear, hear!!

Software development is not all that different in that regard than any other pursuit where repair is involved.  Just like a mechanic cannot fix a car if they're unaware of a problem, or if a reported problem cannot be replicated by them, neither can a programmer do the same for a bug.

This is one of the reasons I download and install the release candidates.  NVDA is not a major corporation with the resources to hire a dedicated testing department that can flog the software to death.  Having been a programmer, and one in an entity that can and did do that, you still will not find all potential bugs.  Even with very thorough test "scripts" the general user public will always find a way to do something that no one could ever have predicted they'd do, and with results that are sometimes as unpredictable.

Being a late beta tester on NVDA with the release candidates is a good idea for all users of the software.  And those of you who actually use NVDA as your primary method of access can be a lot more thorough in testing just by doing what you always do than anyone creating testing scenarios could hope to be.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



iTunes 12.4.1

Lino Morales
 

Glad you let us know there was an update. I'm downloading it now.

On 6/3/2016 10:05 AM, Chris wrote:
I hope so , who is going to be brave to try it first :D

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Turner
Sent: 03 June 2016 14:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes?

If so, does everything work again?






Re: [nvda\] NVDA Devils advocate

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
To be fair, how many people tested the RC before NVDA 2016.2 came out? I know that this is the first RC I've tested. If we as a group do not test the RC and note any bugs that occur, then those bugs will show up in the next version of NVDA because the developers are unaware of them.
Chris


Re: Weird issue

Andre Fisher
 

Maybe the site's layout was changed, don't you think?

On 6/3/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it

shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size

color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and
such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't
think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the

page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and

also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader

to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted

on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be

worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go
to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I
noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it
exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check
in order to fix it?










Re: Subject lines, was, Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Lino Morales
 

I agree with you Brian. I've been on way too many email lists over the past 13 years or so.


On 6/2/2016 9:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Gene,

        I agree with you, absolutely, but I also have tired of hearing this lecture, repeatedly, on the various groups because it doesn't change anything.  I have to believe that moderators on groups.io have the same capability that moderators on most forums do and can split threads, move various posts to the threads they've just created by the split, and retitle those new threads.

        Please, please, please start asking moderators to do this, because that does create value for future searchers and gets the point across when a certain someone or someones suddenly find their tangents, which are often valuable in their own right, suddenly in new and appropriately titled threads, preferably with a note that it was necessary to split it because it broke topic continuity.

        The lectures do not and will not work.  I've been around this block way too many times to say anything otherwise.  If you have these powers please use them; if you don't then please ask for them.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: Meet NVDA 2016.2, bringing spelling error beep, grammar error detection and more to your work, home and everything in between #NVAccess #release

Lino Morales
 

Well I'd take this up with with either James Teh or Michael Kerrun. They put out the updates/releases.


On 6/2/2016 5:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I disagree that there's no point in announcing it because it would save quite a few people from doing unnecessary downloads and installs.

However, if it's not announced, is there somewhere that one can look to determine that for oneself?  This was the second option and one I'd exercise if I knew where I could look on a consistent basis.


--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    




Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: Browse Mode with NVDA 2016.2 not working

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

What problem are you referring to. To the best of my knoledge, everything is working fine for me.
Chris


Re: Weird issue

Danni
 

No I can't see it! things are not in the usual place normally on the page it shows or reads item number then title of item pics and such then price size color description and so on with of course buttons for adding to cart and such but it's moving colors before sizing it's too early my brain can't think of all changes but it's moved around though sometimes it will read the page the way it normally is!

I don't know how to explain it but will check firefox thanks anyway

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird issue


When you say moved around, can you see the screen? Often those who can and also use speech complain that the order is different for the screenreader to the sighted user. In my mind this implies muddled accessability bolted on as an afterthought.
If other sites behave as you would expect, its probably the site. Might be worth trying it in another browser.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: [nvda] Weird issue


I'm not sure if it's NVDA or I?E that is causing the issue but when I go to qvc.com and read through the page the colors are not being read and I noticed too that the page is mixed around am not sure how to explain it exactly but things are out of place and i can't figure out what to check in order to fix it?





Re: iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Chris
 

I hope so , who is going to be brave to try it first :D

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt
Turner
Sent: 03 June 2016 14:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] iTunes 4.0.1 update.

Anyone tried the updated version of iTunes?

If so, does everything work again?