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Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

Gene
 

While not ideal, carrying my last message further, after you backspace as many times as you want, right arrow once.  Speech will stop and you can move with the arrow keys through the text. 
 
This appears to be some sort of strange structure; I don't know what the advantage may be for sighted users, that impeled the development team to implement it. it is first, at least using the old version of NVDA I use, announced as an edit combo box if you move to it and let the information read, then, if you type something and backspace, it is announced as a list.  My guess is that the change of the structure to a list causes the text to be read.  It may be seen as a list item that has just been moved to, from the perspective of NVDA. 
 

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

hi,

this probablem does exist with nvda next.


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> Definitely needs a ticket/issue raising somewhere from the sound of it.
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> Subject: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3
>
>
>> Hi.
>> Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
>> It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
>> In the address bar, for example I type an address
>> www.twitter.com/username.
>> When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then
>> nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
>> If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search
>> then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple
>> highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to
>> loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it
>> back again.
>> FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out
>> exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still
>> works.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

this probablem does exist with nvda next.

On 11/16/2016 1:01 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Definitely needs a ticket/issue raising somewhere from the sound of it.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3


Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.




spss inaccessibility: absolutely inexcusable

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I got spss to be slightly more accessible by enabling the java access bridge. However, nvda cannot read any of the controls. The log shows a windows access violation error. I find this to be absolutely unacceptable that nvda doesn't support such an important program. The same program works flawlessly with jaws.


firefox regression

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

With the 50.0 version of firefox, when backspace is pressed in the address bar, everything typed is read out instead of the character deleted. Is there a fix for this?


Re: Reading .brf books

Mallard
 

Thanks Pranav.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/11/2016 01:45, Pranav Lal ha scritto:
Hi,

Use edsharp from empowermentzone to back translate the BRF file.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read on a
usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether there are
any programmes that would open those files, without converting the mto txt with
Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie






Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

Michel Such
 

Hi,


Running a Next version of NVDA I don't get the problem.

I think this will be fixed in 2016.4, there is something about this in the changelog.

So, if you can, try a Master or Next version of NVDA and see if it works for you;


Michel SUCH

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Twitter : @SuchMichel

Le 2016-11-16 à 11:04, Brian's Mail list account a écrit :

I have a suspicion its themulti processor code slowly being rolled out in Firefox.
Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing kind of problem!
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3


Hi, Shaun,


I'm having a problem with firefox too. I'll try to type a web address and either firefox loses focus or NVDA is sluggish. Older versions of firefox didn't have this problem.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 9:47 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.





Re: Reading .brf books

Mallard
 

Christo,

*one billion to your praise for braille.

I was and still am a staunch Optacon user, but for computer use I wouldn't live without braille.

I don't want to go back to illiteracy for the blind...


I hope NVDA will continueto improve its support for braille, as I do think there's still quite a lot of room for improvement.


The use of touch cursors on braille displays, for instance, should definitely be enhanced.

Not being a programmer, I have no idea how this could be done, so I don't want to sound critical or ungrateful. I'm just thinking of people who come to NVDA from Jaws, for instance, who tell me they find it difficult to handle this feature.

I don't have Jaws, so I don't really kow what it does with touch cursors different from NVDA, but this is a remark I often get.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/11/2016 06:49, Christo Vorster ha scritto:

Hi Dan

I regularly work with .brf files. One of my tasks here at the college where I work, is to translate .docx documents into braille. It is quite difficult to read .brf files in Duxbury, especially with NVDA. I used to have JAWS as my screen reader and the developers of Freedom Scientific built JAWS to be quite compatible with Duxbury in the sense that it read grade 2 braille as if it was normal print, I mean like in Word. NVDA, currently read “e d” as “dollar” or a word like “immediately” like “I m m l y”.

To be very honest, I don’t think that the move to UEBC braille was such a big thing, meaning that the braille system did not notably change, we actually lost a few contractions but we gained a lot by the new signs (bold, italics, underline, the difference between parenthesis and brackets, etc). I am involved in the training of vision impaired computer users and for us the acceptance of UEBC only has been a positive step.

The bottom line to me is that Braille before and after UEBC still is a fantastic invention and we all must applaud Louis Braille each and every day.

Have a nice day

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Well, grade 2 braille includes contractions like the dollar sign for the letters "ed" in what we used to call US braille at least. I am
not familiar with braille from other countries and am not very familiar with UEB yet. In a BRF file notepad displays the dollar sign as a dollar sign. See what problems this kind of contraction can cause?

Dan Beaver

On 11/15/2016 5:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files. I
thought they were text files because my recollection from using
the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on,
they are just text files. Evidently, there are some sort of
differences I don't know about.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other
contractional format. They do not present well in notepad if this
is the case.

Dan Beaver

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they
will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them
untranslated. Braille files are just text files.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I
normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea
whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without
converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: Reading .brf books

Mallard
 

Quite. That's exactly what I get. A lot of dollars, which might be a good thing in other circumstances, but not when I need to study Hebrew... lol

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/11/2016 06:49, Christo Vorster ha scritto:

Hi Dan

I regularly work with .brf files. One of my tasks here at the college where I work, is to translate .docx documents into braille. It is quite difficult to read .brf files in Duxbury, especially with NVDA. I used to have JAWS as my screen reader and the developers of Freedom Scientific built JAWS to be quite compatible with Duxbury in the sense that it read grade 2 braille as if it was normal print, I mean like in Word. NVDA, currently read “e d” as “dollar” or a word like “immediately” like “I m m l y”.

To be very honest, I don’t think that the move to UEBC braille was such a big thing, meaning that the braille system did not notably change, we actually lost a few contractions but we gained a lot by the new signs (bold, italics, underline, the difference between parenthesis and brackets, etc). I am involved in the training of vision impaired computer users and for us the acceptance of UEBC only has been a positive step.

The bottom line to me is that Braille before and after UEBC still is a fantastic invention and we all must applaud Louis Braille each and every day.

Have a nice day

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:49 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Well, grade 2 braille includes contractions like the dollar sign for the letters "ed" in what we used to call US braille at least. I am
not familiar with braille from other countries and am not very familiar with UEB yet. In a BRF file notepad displays the dollar sign as a dollar sign. See what problems this kind of contraction can cause?

Dan Beaver

On 11/15/2016 5:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files. I
thought they were text files because my recollection from using
the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on,
they are just text files. Evidently, there are some sort of
differences I don't know about.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other
contractional format. They do not present well in notepad if this
is the case.

Dan Beaver

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they
will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them
untranslated. Braille files are just text files.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* Mallard <mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu>

*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I
normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea
whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without
converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

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I have a suspicion its themulti processor code slowly being rolled out in Firefox.
Left hand not knowing what right hand is doing kind of problem!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3


Hi, Shaun,


I'm having a problem with firefox too. I'll try to type a web address and either firefox loses focus or NVDA is sluggish. Older versions of firefox didn't have this problem.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 9:47 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.



The New Firefox version

Gene
 

I didn't save earlier messages about Firefox so I'm answering in a new thread.  I just downloaded and tried the new version and this problem appears to be very easily worked around.  If you delete a letter or more than one in the address bar, simply right arrow once then start moving left again and, at least in my tests, things are read properly.  While this problem should be corrected, this appears to resolve the problem.
 
Gene


Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

Mallard
 

Hello,


I also have issues with Firefox.


On a shopping site I've always used with Firefox, now I'm totally unable to go to specific links. What I get is a long line, without spaces, with all the possible options. Like a ribbon, but I absolutely cannot act on the options in any way.


I have to use Chrome for this site. It's the only way I can get around it.

Any idea what it might cause it?


The site is in Italian, so I'm not going to put the link here, but if anyone would like to have a look, I can send it.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 16/11/2016 07:53, Rosemarie Chavarria ha scritto:
Hi, Shaun,


I'm having a problem with firefox too. I'll try to type a web address and either firefox loses focus or NVDA is sluggish. Older versions of firefox didn't have this problem.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 9:47 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.





Re: Focus issue when opening MS Word

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Yes this works in other applications It seems to me that either nvda misses an event here or the app is not consistant.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacques" <lists4js@runbox.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] Focus issue when opening MS Word


I think it was Pranav Lal who recently posted about a focus issue when opening MS Word. I also experience this occasionally. The window title reports "winword" and the NVDA hot key, NVDA+control+F1 confirms that "winword.exe" is the active application. I believe this issue will be looked into by the devs in due course, but in the interim I find that pressing and releasing the alt key in quick succession forces focus to the opened document.

HTH

--
Jacques


Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

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Definitely needs a ticket/issue raising somewhere from the sound of it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3


Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.


Re: Not able to read any of the HTML content in iTunes with master

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Two ways, one send a message on thedevelopment list, or raise an issue on github, bth need you to be subscribed though. If you don't want the hassle I'm sure somebody a little more techy than us could take your info and log files and do it if they can confirm the problem.
I don't use Itunes so would not be the person to try this.
Brian

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From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 1:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Not able to read any of the HTML content in iTunes with master


Hello. I'm not able to read the HTML content either in Apple Music or the iTunes store using the arrow keys with NVDA master branch version which came out today. Is their a way to report this to the boys at NV Access? Thanks.



Re: Reading .brf books

Mallard
 

Thanks, this sounds interesting. The files are in English; I changed braille output to English Grade 2, and English UeB Grade 2, but it didn't work as well as it should.

I'll try eight-dot braille.


The issue is that I see space symbols, and certain combinations like "ed", "ence", "ance" are represented in a strange way, not corresponding to the actual contracted braille symbols.

This doesn't happen when I read them in Touchme5, from a pendrive, not attached to the computer. Funny thing...

Ciao, thanks for everyone's help.

This is my first experience with files of this type; that's why I'm lost...

Ollie

Il 16/11/2016 08:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
Change output braille grade to your language's eight dot version, and BRF files will display just fine.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:56 AM Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za <mailto:christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za>> wrote:

Hi

Yes, but as far as I know, and I might be mistaken, if you can lay
your
hands on an Apex Reader it might be possible.

I'm not sure that the name I mentioned is the 100% correct one,
all I know
is that it is an upgraded Braille Note.

I honestly hope I'm not leading you on a wrong path.

Regards

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On
Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I
normally read on
a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea
whether there
are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto
txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie







Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

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I think this may be due to read vs unread. I was always a bit puzzled by some of the ways Thunderbird did things which is why I stopped using it.
Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list


Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie





Re: Reading .brf books

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That is not strictly true. If contracted they do have some strange things in them.
I used to convert text to these in another life for use with a very noisy embosser, and although they are sort of text files, they are not so from the readability viewpoint, hence the need to have them as a file type.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books


I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated. Braille files are just text files.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books


Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: Reading .brf books

Gene
 

The original message said that the intention was to read the file with a Braille display.  When I saw an objection, I thought I was wrong.  But as I saw the discussion develop, it appears I was right.  All the objections seem to overlook the fact that the person is going to use a Braille display, not speech. 
 
And if there are problems with line length, using word wrap might solve those.  If there are some sort of formattng symbols used to indicate things such as line lengths that Braille displays don't display, then my idea might not work as well as it might because you might see them but I haven't heard of such symbols. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hi Gene

 

I only got to see the comversation on reading .brf files. I actually doubt whether changing the file extension from .brf to .txt would help much. I haven’t yet tried it, but just for interest sake, below you will find the last message you sent in normal text, .txt or .docx, what ever you prefer and then the .brf equivalent, after I converted it to .brf using Duxbury 11.1

 

(print text)

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

(braille text)

  ,i don't "k :at is di6]5t ab grade #b

,brl files4  ,i ?"\ !y 7 text files 2c

my recollec;n f us+ ! ,brl ';n ,sp1k is

t :5 typ+ ) ! translator on1 !y >e j

text files4  ,evid5tly1 "! >e "s sort (

di6];es ,i don't "k ab4

 

I know that, when using an Apex Reader, you cannot read .brf files in MS Word, it first must be converted into .txt format

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other contractional format.  They do not present well in notepad if this is the case.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated.  Braille files are just text files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

 


Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Peter Beasley
 

That is the way I like my messages displayed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are
still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do
about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie


Re: Reading .brf books

Devin Prater
 

Change output braille grade to your language's eight dot version, and BRF files will display just fine.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:56 AM Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:
Hi

Yes, but as far as I know, and I might be mistaken, if you can lay your
hands on an Apex Reader it might be possible.

I'm not sure that the name I mentioned is the 100% correct one, all I know
is that it is an upgraded Braille Note.

I honestly hope I'm not leading you on a wrong path.

Regards

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read on
a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether there
are any programmes that would open those files, without converting the mto
txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie