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Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Joseph,

Thanks so much for everything you and other developers have done for us in
working with NVDA You will be missed as a moderator but I'm glad you're not
leaving the NVDA community.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: finding a message using gmail on the site

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

In Jaws it's called forms mode.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] finding a message using gmail on the site

Hi:

Use the search within gmail.
Press the / (slash) key to quickly goto search and use search operators to perform simple or more advanced searches.
To be able to use shortcut commands like / (slash) etc you need to be in focus mode (NVDA).
I don't remember what this mode is called in JAWS but I believe one just disables the virtual cursor.

On 1 June 2016 at 04:05, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi list. How does one find a certain message on the gmail site? When
I go there. I just delete all the ones on the server. I have gmail
connected to my outlook. Disregard the last message I sent.


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Arlene
 

Hi Josiph! Arlene here. You are going to be missed. I hope you stay on this
list if you are not a mod.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott
VanDeWalle
Sent: June-01-16 5:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter:
ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph, I'd like to wish you good luck on your future endeavors.
Thank you for being involved with the list.
It has been a pleasure speaking to you whenever i did so.
And, cheers to nvda, and its long long long life.

Scott
On 6/1/2016 2:15 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community,
NVDA users, developers, supporters and others:

For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head
moderator welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I
always thought about what we can do to make this place a welcoming
lounge for many people from all walks of life. Through these years, I
wrote many add-ons, produced tutorials, arbitrated in various cases,
organized first NVDACon series, learned a great deal from you all and
made many mistakes. As I step down from the moderator's podium and
welcome another to this podium, I do not regret my moderator days. I
hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my place, will be an
understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running this community.

As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:

You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative
of a movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the
reputation of NVDA screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a
mailing list for users only". This mailing list is just one part of an
archive of public information available on NVDA. As such, please be
careful in word choice, how you respond and so on, as list archive is
visible to everyone around the world.

Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where
cultures clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What
would be use of a mailing list if we form cliques due to
disagreements? This is more so on a product support forum where we
have people from diverse backgrounds, different needs, different
settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so on. Please be
understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better to see
people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.

Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a
quote from a former president of the United States: ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would
change that quote to something like this: as a member of the NVDA
community, ask not what NVDA, NV Access, other members and supporters
can do for you; rather, ask what you can do for this community, to
promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a welcoming place for all and to
serve this community. For moderators, to ask what we can do to serve
members, including those who disagree with us.

As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I
had will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my
best to follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this
list. Stepping away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave
this community - whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to
carry out my duties as a member of this community.

Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful
experience serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past
three years.

Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA
mailing list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3
<http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20%28J
oseph%20Lee%29.mp3>

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA
screen reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Scott VanDeWalle
 

Hi Joseph, I'd like to wish you good luck on your future endeavors.
Thank you for being involved with the list.
It has been a pleasure speaking to you whenever i did so.
And, cheers to nvda, and its long long long life.

Scott

On 6/1/2016 2:15 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA users, developers, supporters and others:

For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series, learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down from the moderator’s podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running this community.

As I step down from this position, I’d like to request that you please listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:

You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, “this is a mailing list for users only”. This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice, how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the world.

Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds, different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars and so forth.

Lastly, if there is one advice I’d like to pass on, it would be a quote from a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA, NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.

As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I’ll do my best to follow our new moderator’s wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping away from moderator’s podium does not mean I’ll leave this community – whatever new role I’m assigned to, I’ll do my best to carry out my duties as a member of this community.

Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.

Audio version of this letter (entitled “Farewell Address to NVDA mailing list”) can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Joseph%20Lee).mp3 <http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20%28Joseph%20Lee%29.mp3>

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

FWIW, Firefox works well on both of my windows 7 home premium 64 bit laptops with Window-eyes 8.4.
 
George
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
 
At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Gerardo Corripio
 

Good luck Joseph in your future projects! You'll sure be missed as list admin!

El 01/06/2016 03:57 p.m., David Moore escribió:
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for challenging us in the way you did. We will miss you greatly as moderator, but I am so happy that you will continue to be a part of the NVDA community. I am telling more and more people about the NVDA community as I use and help others to use this awesome screen reader. Thank you for everything.


-----Original Message----- From: Gary Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users











--
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

David Moore
 

Hi Joseph,
Thank you for challenging us in the way you did. We will miss you greatly as moderator, but I am so happy that you will continue to be a part of the NVDA community. I am telling more and more people about the NVDA community as I use and help others to use this awesome screen reader. Thank you for everything.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: finding a message using gmail on the site

Arlene
 

I did that using Jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: June-01-16 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] finding a message using gmail on the site

Hi:

Use the search within gmail.
Press the / (slash) key to quickly goto search and use search
operators to perform simple or more advanced searches.
To be able to use shortcut commands like / (slash) etc you need to be
in focus mode (NVDA).
I don't remember what this mode is called in JAWS but I believe one
just disables the virtual cursor.

On 1 June 2016 at 04:05, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
Hi list. How does one find a certain message on the gmail site? When I go
there. I just delete all the ones on the server. I have gmail connected to
my outlook. Disregard the last message I sent.


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Arlene
 

This is why I don’t have it as my default browser! Wen I had it that way. It sort of locked up. But I thought it was web visum. I use firefox for some things and IE for other things. I did try firefox with both NVDA and Jaws 14. It did the same thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: June-01-16 3:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Hi, In my case it happens on Windows 10 and 7 64bit. Sometimes it happens the moment I open the Yahoo.com/finance page. Happens as well in various pages such as wnd.com, Bloomberg and so on. There is no pattern I am aware of.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Are you saying this is only under windoze 10?
The times I've seen this sort of behaviour nvda is not actually lockedup just that the processor usage seems to climb and climb until most things don't work any more.
Often if you alt tab, or bring up the desk top and wait, some time later the voice may say that the operation has happened. Strangely though, the voice is OK and not glitchy as was the case on single core machines when a javascript wasrunning and made everything slow.

The weird thing I also noticed was that a reboot of nvda, took an age but did fix it most times.
I think you need to look at the previous log in %temp% and see what went on, chances are if you have the log set to debug etc, it will be a core frozen in stack, so it might be a good idea to try it with a next snapshot.
Myself, I hve only encountered it rarely, and was more interested in getting back to what I was doing to look myself, but its very rare here on windows 7.
The most annoying issue I have with later windows is that in some software if you tab to the folder list, which is an extra tabtoxp as you arrive at a sub menu otherwise, if you paause and allow this interim bit of windows to speak, then try to tab, focus does not go to the folders list and you have to alt tab away and back to wake things up.
Goldwave and Word have done this to me a lot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit
and firefox 46.1. It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time. I
have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help
developers address the issue.

George

From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case,
their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might
as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what
seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter
key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web
developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits
of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that
part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and
IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible
alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be
used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Pascal Lambert
 

Thank you!
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Hi all,
In case you are wondering how to get hold of the Skype NVDA Support Group, you can join it by this link -
https://join.skype.com/qtrZGwFaHIJ9
Various people even have group calls and text chats at other times with questions, answers, and support going on all the time too. Feel free to tune in.
Looking forward to meeting many of you out here and connecting!
Thanks.

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twitter either.
Just a thought. I certainly don't.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users
group between June 13th and August 12th


Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech
support venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the
person and their voice at times, or wished you could have a tech
support experience similar to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th
and running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech
support on NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established
about a month ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or
more NVDA developers (one of them actually living in America), you'll
also get a chance to receive hands-on training, participate in live
feature demos, join the developer in his lab as he cooks up
interesting features, and get a backstage tour of internals of
various NVDA features. And the best thing is, it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or
three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to

3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3
PM Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable),
and remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on
(user consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most
part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you
via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph





--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit http://www.nvaccess.org/ Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2 Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi, In my case it happens on Windows 10 and 7 64bit. Sometimes it happens the moment I open the Yahoo.com/finance page. Happens as well in various pages such as wnd.com, Bloomberg and so on. There is no pattern I am aware of.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Are you saying this is only under windoze 10?
The times I've seen this sort of behaviour nvda is not actually lockedup just that the processor usage seems to climb and climb until most things don't work any more.
Often if you alt tab, or bring up the desk top and wait, some time later the voice may say that the operation has happened. Strangely though, the voice is OK and not glitchy as was the case on single core machines when a javascript wasrunning and made everything slow.

The weird thing I also noticed was that a reboot of nvda, took an age but did fix it most times.
I think you need to look at the previous log in %temp% and see what went on, chances are if you have the log set to debug etc, it will be a core frozen in stack, so it might be a good idea to try it with a next snapshot.
Myself, I hve only encountered it rarely, and was more interested in getting back to what I was doing to look myself, but its very rare here on windows 7.
The most annoying issue I have with later windows is that in some software if you tab to the folder list, which is an extra tabtoxp as you arrive at a sub menu otherwise, if you paause and allow this interim bit of windows to speak, then try to tab, focus does not go to the folders list and you have to alt tab away and back to wake things up.
Goldwave and Word have done this to me a lot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit
and firefox 46.1. It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time. I
have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help
developers address the issue.

George

From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case,
their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might
as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what
seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter
key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web
developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits
of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that
part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and
IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible
alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be
used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Pascal Lambert
 

Thank you Joseph for all your help to me personally and contribution to the
NVDA community. I pray and hope that we all continue to help one another
with compassion, understanding and care.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary
Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 6:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter:
ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Yes, but look at the processor usage if you can, and often its firefox that the windows system says is hogging the resources not nvda, which makes it all rather odd that restarting nvda can fix it. Maybe its a new UI issue in windows.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I'd also try it with all its add ons disabled which I believe is possible, and see if it still does it.
Another thing that seems to make it more likely is if it wants to use some plug inyou do not have.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: audacity

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

There is a brand new podcast on this audio software on the blind coolblind tech or whatever its name is this week.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] audacity


Yes but that is such a broad question that there is no way to give more than a general answer. I seldom use Audacity but, as with so many other programs, a lot of Audacity commands are program commands, not NVDA commands. If you know them, you can use Audacity. If you have specific questions about how to do specific things, asking them may yield answers. for example, if you want to kno how to read specific information on the screen, someone may be able to answer. It may involve using NVDA screen review commands.

Gene


From: Rayette Rucker
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] audacity


Does Audacity work with NVDA?


Re: Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Bhavya shah
 

Hi all,
In case you are wondering how to get hold of the Skype NVDA Support
Group, you can join it by this link -
https://join.skype.com/qtrZGwFaHIJ9
Various people even have group calls and text chats at other times
with questions, answers, and support going on all the time too. Feel
free to tune in.
Looking forward to meeting many of you out here and connecting!
Thanks.

On 6/1/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I think many people who are in need of tech support probably do not yet use

twitter either.
Just a thought. I certainly don't.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group
between June 13th and August 12th


Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support
venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the person and their
voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience
similar
to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and
running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech support
on
NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month
ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers
(one of them actually living in America), you'll also get a chance to
receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the
developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a
backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing
is,
it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or
three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to

3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM
Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and
remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user
consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most
part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you
via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph




--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

Are you saying this is only under windoze 10?
The times I've seen this sort of behaviour nvda is not actually lockedup just that the processor usage seems to climb and climb until most things don't work any more.
Often if you alt tab, or bring up the desk top and wait, some time later the voice may say that the operation has happened. Strangely though, the voice is OK and not glitchy as was the case on single core machines when a javascript wasrunning and made everything slow.

The weird thing I also noticed was that a reboot of nvda, took an age but did fix it most times.
I think you need to look at the previous log in %temp% and see what went on, chances are if you have the log set to debug etc, it will be a core frozen in stack, so it might be a good idea to try it with a next snapshot. Myself, I hve only encountered it rarely, and was more interested in getting back to what I was doing to look myself, but its very rare here on windows 7.
The most annoying issue I have with later windows is that in some software if you tab to the folder list, which is an extra tabtoxp as you arrive at a sub menu otherwise, if you paause and allow this interim bit of windows to speak, then try to tab, focus does not go to the folders list and you have to alt tab away and back to wake things up.
Goldwave and Word have done this to me a lot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit and firefox 46.1. It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time. I have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help developers address the issue.

George

From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I think many people who are in need of tech support probably do not yet use twitter either.
Just a thought. I certainly don't.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 7:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th


Ladies and gentlemen,



For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support
venue for many. I'm sure many of us wanted to match the person and their
voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience similar
to other screen reader companies.



That's why I'm delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and
running for the next two months, I'll be holding free, live tech support on
NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month
ago). Not only you'll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers
(one of them actually living in America), you'll also get a chance to
receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the
developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a
backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing is,
it's all free.



Important notes:

* This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

* The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or three
times a week).

* Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to 3
PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM
Pacific.

* Tech support services will include answering questions, live
demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and
remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user
consent required).

* Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most part).

* If you don't have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you via
TeamTalk.



Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph


Re: Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Gary Bowers <gdbowers@...>
 

Hi Joseph,

Thank you for your continuing contributions to NVDA, and for your eloquent
farewell message.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 1:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important (please read): Moderator's farewell letter: ask
not what this mailing list can do for you, ask the other way around

Dear members of the NVDA international users list, NVDA community, NVDA
users, developers, supporters and others:



For the past three years, from the moment Nimer Jaber, our head moderator
welcomed me into the ranks of list moderators until now, I always thought
about what we can do to make this place a welcoming lounge for many people
from all walks of life. Through these years, I wrote many add-ons, produced
tutorials, arbitrated in various cases, organized first NVDACon series,
learned a great deal from you all and made many mistakes. As I step down
from the moderator's podium and welcome another to this podium, I do not
regret my moderator days. I hope that Gene Asner, the one chosen to take my
place, will be an understanding moderator as he assists nimer in running
this community.



As I step down from this position, I'd like to request that you please
listen to a plea from a fellow member of this list:



You all are diplomats of NonVisual Desktop Access. As a representative of a
movement, your words, actions and posts will decide the reputation of NVDA
screen reader. Do not say to yourselves, "this is a mailing list for users
only". This mailing list is just one part of an archive of public
information available on NVDA. As such, please be careful in word choice,
how you respond and so on, as list archive is visible to everyone around the
world.



Understand those who disagrees with you. We live in a world where cultures
clash, ideas battle each other, and conflicts abound. What would be use of a
mailing list if we form cliques due to disagreements? This is more so on a
product support forum where we have people from diverse backgrounds,
different needs, different settings, varying levels of NVDA know-how and so
on. Please be understanding when someone disagrees with you, as it is better
to see people working together than groups being destroyed due to flame wars
and so forth.



Lastly, if there is one advice I'd like to pass on, it would be a quote from
a former president of the United States: ask not what your country can do
for you, ask what you can do for your country. I would change that quote to
something like this: as a member of the NVDA community, ask not what NVDA,
NV Access, other members and supporters can do for you; rather, ask what you
can do for this community, to promote NVDA, make NVDA mailing list a
welcoming place for all and to serve this community. For moderators, to ask
what we can do to serve members, including those who disagree with us.



As of this moment, I hereby declare that all moderation privileges I had
will pass onto Gene Asner. As a member of this list, I'll do my best to
follow our new moderator's wishes and obey the rules of this list. Stepping
away from moderator's podium does not mean I'll leave this community -
whatever new role I'm assigned to, I'll do my best to carry out my duties as
a member of this community.



Thank you. To Gene, good luck, and to Nimer, it was a wonderful experience
serving as a moderator under your leadership for the past three years.



Audio version of this letter (entitled "Farewell Address to NVDA mailing
list") can be found at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/files/nvdamsgs/Moderator%20Farewell%20Address%20(Jose
ph%20Lee).mp3





Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee

Student (Communication Studies), Los Angeles City College

Former student (computer science), University of California, Riverside

Translator, code contributor and community add-ons reviewer, NVDA screen
reader project

Former moderator, NVDA International Users List

Immediate past chair and organizing advisor, NVDA Users and Developers
Conference International

Chair, NVDA Tenth Anniversary Planning Committee

Chair, NVDACon Korea

Head list representative, Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Peter Beasley
 

Try the following. Before you enter on the link in question, turn NVDA oss then press enter. when the file begins to play, wait a few seconds then you can turn NVDA back on.
I have this problem when using the BBC iplayer which uses flash. It’s ok with internet explorer and chrome so I don’t know what is going wrong. I don’t have the problem with any other sites i have been on that use flash.  x

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox
 

Hi,

In my case it is Flash Player that I am having problems with when using Firefox.  The message is “irresponsive plugin” then I have to restart the computer because Firefox refuses to close.  Anyone with a suggested solution is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.

But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Jacob Kruger

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
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