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Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

It may be a virtual buffer overload.  If it is, the question is whether that is the fault of NVDA or Firefox?
 
I suspect this kind of obscure problem is one where you won't get meaningful help other than the sort of work arounds I'm suggesting below. 
 
I would suggest testing with Internet Explorer to see if the problem persists.  If the problem doesn't persist, you may have, at least temporarily, to use Internet Explorer or Chrome.  If the problem doesn't persist when using Internet Explorer, that implies that the problem is either Firefox or the combination of NVDA and Firefox.  It would take more experimentation to try to determine that. 
 
It appears that you are saying that this problem didn't occur when you used Firefox 43.  That makes me suspicious that the problem is with Firefox.  But that's just a suspicion.
 
I just realized that you may also be able to work around the problem by using the ESR Extended Release version of Firefox.  That version remains the same for about a year as I recall but receives security patches when the standard version does.  If it is using an older version such as 43 and if the next update is awhile off, that may solve your problem while allowing you to receive security updates for a time.  And when the ESR receives a full upgrade, by that time, Firefox might have solved the probem.
 
Gene
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with Firefox

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

In my case it is Flash Player that I am having problems with when using Firefox.  The message is “irresponsive plugin” then I have to restart the computer because Firefox refuses to close.  Anyone with a suggested solution is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.

But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

You appear  not to be seeing the entire subject line.  You may have to change the amount of space allocated for subject lines.  Or if you are reading it when the message is closed, opening the message and reading it may let you read the entire line, or visa versa.  Whatever the case, the subject line reads:
Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

I’m sorry but I had to comment because the subject line is amusing me somewhat.

NVEDA?

 

Sorry, just had to comment.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Hi

 

Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

 

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

 

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

 

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

 

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

 

TIA


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"



-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

And, yes, my bad - typo in subject line...<smile> - fixed it in this message.

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Now that is weird. I’ve seen it happen, but still, it’s odd behaviour to be sure.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.

 

In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.

 

I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 

 

I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Nope.
 
No notification of any issue with webvisum.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Hi


Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.



Gene nz



On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
 
Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
 
And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
 
Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
 
Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun Oliver
 

Now that is weird. I’ve seen it happen, but still, it’s odd behaviour to be sure.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.

 

In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.

 

I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.

 

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 

 

I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Gene, again, primary issue is NVDA going silent, and refusing to respond, even if I alt+tab to another window, for a while at least.
 
In other words, almost seems like it's experiencing a form of overload populating it's virtual buffer/document review version, or something.
 
I was not blaming NVDA as such, but, just trying to figure out what could be causing this combination of a form of silence, and was wondering why it seemed almost like firing up windows narrator un-froze everything, but anyway.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun Oliver
 

I’m sorry but I had to comment because the subject line is amusing me somewhat.

NVEDA?

 

Sorry, just had to comment.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2016 06:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Hi

 

Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.

 

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

 

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

 

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

 

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

 

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

 

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

 

TIA


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"



-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Out of curosity are you getting script errors with web visum? and when that happens does it seem like it is locking up? If this is the case it will come up with a message and your options are usually to either stop the script or let it continue. I usully stop it if it happens and it seems to go ok after that.



Gene nz



On 31/05/2016 11:55 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
 
Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
 
And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
 
Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
 
Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

How do you know its NVDA?  There are conditions where programs may do things that cause speech to stop temporarily and the fault is the program, not NVDA.  It may or may not be useful to test with a different screen-reader but we can't assume the problem is an NVDA problem or a Firefox problem.  and since crashes are evidently not occurring, there may not be any information available in diagnostic utilities.  I don't know what sort of Firefox logs there may be.
But Windows has a reliabillity history utility that may tell you something.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


> Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load
> things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
> Other times it will just run.
> In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
> Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good
> extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want
> to scrap it.
>
>
>
> On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't
>> install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and
>> this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at
>> times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>>
>> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre
>> interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>>
>> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in
>> case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but,
>> thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>>
>> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from
>> firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough
>> what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key
>> + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>>
>> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1
>> right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>>
>> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of
>> this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a
>> web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out
>> various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my
>> favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both
>> google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be
>> any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not
>> really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Gene
 

At this point, you haven't done anything to determine whether the problem is with NVDA or Firefox.  Of course, you can try running Firefox with various add ons disabled in NVDA but I would think the best first test would be to use a different screen-reader, such as a JAWS demo with Firefox.  The newer versions of Firefox may have problems and experimenting with disabling add ons may just waist time if they aren't the problem. 
 
I've seen complaints about the new versions of Firefox here for a number of weeks.  I haven't seen a lot, but I've seen them. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
> Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
>
> Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
>
> Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
>
> And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
>
> Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
>
> Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
>
> TIA
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> "Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"
>



Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Shaun, primary issue is NVDA locking up/going silent.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox


Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.



On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: audacity

Jacob Kruger
 

Yes.

I use audacity quite often - even if not in necessarily too advanced a way, and NVDA works fine for me.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rayette Rucker" <rayette.rucker23@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 31 May, 2016 9:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] audacity


Does Audacity work with NVDA?




Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

 

Yes, sometimes firefox just takes ages to load and sometimes if you load things up in quick succession it will crash and die.
Other times it will just run.
In between all this instability, it is actually still a stable product.
Now if it goes really bad, I am not sure what I will do, its got a good extention security and other things in its favor and I really don't want to scrap it.

On 31/05/2016 11:55 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.

Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.

Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?

And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.

Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?

Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Re: audacity

Gene
 

Yes but that is such a broad question that there is no way to give more than a general answer.  I seldom use Audacity but, as with so many other programs, a lot of Audacity commands are program commands, not NVDA commands.  If you know them, you can use Audacity.  If you have specific questions about how to do specific things, asking them may yield answers.  for example, if you want to kno how to read specific information on the screen, someone may be able to answer.  It may involve using NVDA screen review commands. 
 
Gene

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:01 PM
Subject: [nvda] audacity

Does Audacity work with NVDA?




audacity

Rayette Kay Rucker <rayette.rucker23@...>
 

Does Audacity work with NVDA?


Re: NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox

George <slr1bpz@...>
 

I have the same issue on two machines running windows 7 home premium 64 bit and firefox 46.1.  It makes firefox virtually unusable most of the time.  I have had this since January but can’t determine a pattern that would help developers address the issue.
 
George
 

Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVEDA sort of half locking up when working with firefox
 
Had firefox 43 here, since before new version of webvisum, you couldn't install un-signed add-ons, but, also now just upgraded firefox to 46, and this was since NVDA 2016.1 and 2016.2 RC1 both seemed to be locking up at times, while working in firefox, with various sites' content.
 
Have also tried turning off/on the F123 add-on, in case it and NVDA wre interfering with each other, but, doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
Could also maybe try uninstalling both F123 and webvisum add-ons, in case, their form of interaction, etc. might be causing hassles, but, thought might as well ask here if anyone has ideas on what to try?
 
And, when I say locking up, at times, it won't help alt-tabbing away from firefox to another app, since NVDA will stay quiet, but, funny enough what seems to help the quickest is to launch narrator, using windows key + enter key, since this is on my windows 10 64 bit machine.
 
Do you think there might be something useful in the NVDA log - NVDA + F1 right after NVDA starts speaking again?
 
Alternatively, any other thoughts/suggestions on what to try get rid of this - besides browsing web content often enough, my primary job is as a web developer, so I have to spend a lot of time testing/trying out various bits of my own code output in a browser, and firefox is my favourite for that part of it thus far, although I do, at times use both google chrome and IE11 - that one crashes on it's own way too often to be any form of feasible alternative, but, that's probably due to it not really being meant to be used under windows 10 as such?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"


Announcement: Free live tech support via Skype users group between June 13th and August 12th

 

Ladies and gentlemen,

 

For years, this list and other forums have served as a great tech support venue for many. I’m sure many of us wanted to match the person and their voice at times, or wished you could have a tech support experience similar to other screen reader companies.

 

That’s why I’m delighted to announce that, starting from June 13th and running for the next two months, I’ll be holding free, live tech support on NVDA and related topics via Skype users group (established about a month ago). Not only you’ll get a chance to talk to one or more NVDA developers (one of them actually living in America), you’ll also get a chance to receive hands-on training, participate in live feature demos, join the developer in his lab as he cooks up interesting features, and get a backstage tour of internals of various NVDA features. And the best thing is, it’s all free.

 

Important notes:

·         This will be done via NVDA users Skype group.

·         The developer will be in his office during weekdays (two or three times a week).

·         Tech support office hours will vary (aiming at between 11 AM to 3 PM Pacific (2 to 6 PM Eastern and elsewhere)), likely between 12 to 3 PM Pacific.

·         Tech support services will include answering questions, live demos, programming feature suggestions on the fly (if it is doable), and remote diagnostics and assistance via NVDA Remote Support add-on (user consent required).

·         Tech support hours will be posted on Twitter (for the most part).

·         If you don’t have Skype, the developer is willing to meet you via TeamTalk.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

joseph


Joslee's add-ons chat: June 18th at 11 AM Pacific via TeamTalk

 

Hi all,

 

For users of my add-ons: I’d like to propose that we meet for an informal chat on June 18th at 11 AM Pacific at NVDACon TeamTalk (the one where we held our immediate past NVDACon). Users of the following add-ons are invited:

·         Control Usage Assistant

·         Easy Table Navigator

·         Enhanced Touch Gestures

·         GoldWave

·         Resource Monitor

·         StationPlaylist Studio

·         Windows 10 App Essentials

 

If you are curious about what these add-ons do, you are more than welcome to join us.

 

Hope to see you on June 18th.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Vocaliser for NVDA

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


speaking of vocalizer when is the new version coming out?

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA

Hello!

 

Have you created and activated your account on ourweb page?

Have you activated the license on NVDA/Vocalizer Expressive menu?

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

De: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Em nome de babcockldpvi@...
Enviada: terça-feira, 31 de maio de 2016 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Vocaliser for NVDA

 

Hello:

I have bought a license for the Vocaliser voices but when I try and install the driver (version 3.0.12) I get an error message when I try to install it via the Preferences and synthesizer settings. It simply says that it could not load the Vocaliser synthesizer.

My laptop is running Windows 10 and the version of NVDA that I am running is 2016.1

I have tried uninstalling and re installing the driver and uninstalling and re installing NVDA itself but with no luck.

Can anyone suggest any solutions.

Teflonica (the company who make the voices) have not been particularly helpful...

Thanks